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Is This Some New Movement?

May 30 2005 at 10:27 AM
Susan 
from IP address 205.188.116.196

Is there some new movement afoot wherein preachers will only preach from the Old Testament?

We've had a preacher for three years who will not preach a gospel sermon. It's all old testament. His bulletin articles are all old testament. He will only teach old testament classes during Sunday School.

We need to know to old testament, of course; but we live under the new law.

 
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txbriva

66.90.250.117

Where it's coming from

June 5 2005, 10:51 AM 

A few years ago at our former church a family became quickly involved in leadership. They had the required qualifications...they had some sort of degrees. Well, they started a 'cell group' in their home. Our pastor later claimed they had no authorization to do so. They began teaching the OT, to the point where they had some members following the Jewish dietary laws, the feasts and festivals, etc. It culminated with some members questioning the diety of Christ and denying the trinity. The pastor finally admitted his failure and disciplined the family, when they would not stop their heresy they were asked to leave the church.

Sadly, years later, those people who bought into their 'teachings' are still stuck today, they are following several local groups of Messianic Jews who adhere to the OT laws and 'accept' Jesus. I say those who got caught up in this are 'faddish' Christian, following the latest craze or fad, than really following what the Bible has to say.

txbriva

 
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Coming from Moses!

June 5 2005, 9:49 PM 

That is a fact: Messianic Jews do a loop-de-loop and raise lots of cash but they call themselves JEWS who incidentially believe (or claim to believe) that Jesus is the Messiah. However, I know one in Jerusalem and he says that if you don't have Jewish blood you CANNOT understand the New Testament. They claim that if "PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD"Jesus did not intend to CHANGE much of anything. They keep the festivals and are JEWISH.

You have trouble in river city: you might straight out ask him: "Are you a Messianic Jew?" The Hebrew Roots movement intends to Judaize the church. You need to do a search of MESSIANIC JEWS and HEBREW ROOTS and be ready to challenge. I assume that YOU are paying HIM? Then you should circulate your research.

Ken Sublett

 
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