Just what was it like during the days of Noah?
Do you believe the Bible? Then what do you believe about the Giants of Gen. 6?
Have you studied the Giants of the Bible?
What do you know about the Giants?
Why did God destroy all flesh with the Flood?
Would you like to study it out? If the Bible is true, then they are coming back, it is one of the signs of these End Times that we are living in. It will also challenge your knowledge of world history, and your understanding of reality. It is not a study for the weak of heart or weak of faith, but it is a very vauble study. It will answer many questions of the modern dilemmas, ie.
What are UFO's?
Why are so many being abducted?
Cow Mutilations:Why so many and so long?
Is the Catholic church right? Are aliens our brothers?
Do they come in Peace? They must, look at all the technology they have given us.
Let me leave you with this thought:Mat 16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. :3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the, face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
This is clearly a Biblical teaching: Cain was "of" that Wicked one and the fallen angels seducing the "humans" produced evil giants. They may be smart enough to turn themselves into "angels of light" and thus appear somewhat normal.
Here is some data recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls
The Book of Enoch which is quoted by Jesus, Peter and Jude about 128 times identifies them as the Babylonian version of the Lamech family of Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naaman (the enchantress). They used dress, mixed-sex choirs, wine and instrumental music to SEDUCE the holy Sethites away from the presence of the Living Word. After their fall they could NEVER GET back up.
I have maintained for years that the easiest for satan to deceive the nations would be to send our "galactic big brothers" to show us the way to true enlightenment. Of course, those who held on to silly superstitions, like belief in God, would have to be separated. Culled from the herd, as it were.
Paul, in Ephesians call satan the prince of the powers of the air.
For anyone with space left on their face for EYES, I post a few quick notes: you might want to use this to get your PhDuh at some "bable colleges."
Gen 6:1 AND it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days;
and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,
and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
These are--for the slow ones in the slow group
Nephiyl (h5303) nef-eel'; or nˇphil nef-eel'; from 5307; prop., a feller, i. e. a BULLY or tyrant: - giant
Nu.13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Nophek (h5306) no'-fek; from an unused root mean. to glisten; shining; a gem, prob. the garnet: - emerald.
Eze.28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Add the Viols or Harps which WENT into hell with the king of Babylon and you have Lucifer bringing wind, strings and percussion instruments to SEDUCE people away from the LIVING WORD.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
CAST AS PROFANE: Chalal (h2490) denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute): - defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
In the same imagery, Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels as one "ejects dung."
This has the same meaning as HALAL or David's praise word which GIVES RISE to Heylel or LUCIFER.
That is why the king/queen as Lucifer's CHANGE AGENT is called the "singing and harp playing PROSTITUTE."
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Look for him/her: he/she will be SELLING something from the podium or in the foyer and booking gigs. The FALL was caused by the family or Lamech or Ea the patron god of music in Babylon whose DAUGHTER got him drunk and stole the powers of the ELDERSHIP, INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC, NAVIGATING THE GATES TO HELL AND PERVERTED SEXUALITY.
Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
It is clear that the CAINITES survived the flood because of the limits of the flood, by hitching a ride on the Ark as a family member or surviving because they were a NOT-READY-FOR-HUMAN-PRIME-TIME species which Jesus clearly MARKS.
Did anyone doubt that Kenny wouldn't have the Nephlim of Genesis, chapter 6 as "guys" who were among the first to "plunked" (psallo) instruments. Kenny got his Doctorate in Old Testament out of a box of Cracker Jacks....Plunk your "magic twanger" Kenny.....lol...
The Nephilim---who were they? The LXX translates it "giants;" other old Greek versions, "violent men." The word occurs again only once--in Numbers 13:33. The notion that the Nephilim of this passage in Numbers were lineral descendants of those of Genesis 6 is simply an unproved assumption (like the translation of the verb "psallo" by M.C. Kurfees from the "harp" to the "heart strings"),of the destructive critics, obviously for the purpose of casting doubt on the authenticity of the text and perhaps of the entire narrative of the Flood.
The "giants" of Numbers were Canaanites, men "of great stature and powerful frame," whose size so excited the imagination of the "spies" sent out by Moses (Calec and Joshua excepted) that their report was a gross exaggeration of the facts. Read again 1 Sam. 17:4-10, 21:9, 22:10). Just how could the Nephilim reported by the spies have been descendants of those of antediluvian times if there had occured in the meantime a casastrophe which had swept away all mankind except Noah and his family?
The idea that the Nephilim were a superhuman race sprung from the explicit declaration that the Nephilim existed before such marriages took place as well as after. No new species of creatures can be intended, therefore, whose orgin is traced to the intermarriage of different orders of beings? How can one find in Scripture that the Nephilim existed before and after the intermingling of the sons of God with the daughters of men? I will say this: A question of some import arises at this point, namely, Were the Nephilim of a pre-Adamic breed? Certainly this is not to be regarded as an impossibility. If so, we must leave the question open, in view of the culture of the Pithecanthropus, the Swanscombe man, the Neanderthal and all the rest (possibly even the Cro-Magnon man who is apparently to be classed as Homo sapiens, but whose remains seem to date back to 20,000 B.C.), it seems best to regard these races as all prior to Adam's time, and not involved in the Adamic covenant.
Who is the "wicked community of Genesis 6:1-7?
The opening verses of Genesis 6 paint a dismal picture of human degration. One manifestation of the corruption of the race was the laxness regarding marriage. The identification of the "sons of God" in 6:1 is problematic. Are they angels, or are they kings?
The best interpretation is tha the "sons of God" are descendants of Seth. The marriage standards among the Sethities began to erode is clear. The "sons of God" married indiscriminately for they married the daughters of men, i.e., woman from the linf of Cain who did not share the spiritual values of the Sethites. They married superficially for their attraction to these women was based on the sole fact that they were "fair." They married polygamously, "whomsoever they chose" (NASB).
I will sum up the "giants" of Genesis 6:3,7 in this way: The Great Judge pronounces sentence against his creatures. There are three aspects to the proclamation: (1) "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever" (6:3). God will not continue to let his Spirit execerise the restraining influence hitherto exerted upon sin. According to 1 Peter 3:18-20 the Spirit of Christ, through the instrumentality of the pious patriachs, preached to the disobedient spirits of the old world. (2). "His days shall be 120 years" (6:3), i.e., there would be a grace period to the pouring out of judgment. (3) "I will blot out man whom I have created" (6:7).
Other creatures tied to the face of the earth will suffer the same fate. PLEASE NOTE: The fact that angels are not subject to punishment here confirms the interpretation given to the phrase "sons of God" in 6:1.
Did anyone else not see Mr. Sublett's answer coming from 10 miles away?
I refer you to Joe McKnight's questions in his original post,
Q: What are UFO's?
Why are so many being abducted?
Cow Mutilations:Why so many and so long?
Is the Catholic church right? Are aliens our brothers?
Do they come in Peace? They must, look at all the technology they have given us.
Now for Mr. Sublett's answer,
A: Look for him/her: he/she will be SELLING something from the podium or in the foyer and booking gigs. The FALL was caused by the family or Lamech or Ea the patron god of music in Babylon whose DAUGHTER got him drunk and stole the powers of the ELDERSHIP, INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC, NAVIGATING THE GATES TO HELL AND PERVERTED SEXUALITY.
Mr. Rhodes, you bring many good points to the table.
I have studied the theory that the marriage of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were formed by supernatural beings with mortal women, and from these unnatural unions there arose "a race of heroes or demigods who must have figured largely in Hebrew folklore.
It is implied, though not expressly said, that the existance of such beings, intermediate between the divine and the human, introduced an element of disorder into the Creation which had to be checked by the special interposition of Yahweh.
W. H. Green, in his book, "The Unity of the Book of Genesis". (Scribners, 1895) wrote: "The sons of God are not angels nor demigods, whose intermarriage with the daughters of men brought forth a race of monsters or superhuman beings. This purely mythological conceit was foisted upon the passage in certain apocryphal books like the book of Enoch; also by Philo and Josephus, who were misled by the analogy of ancient heathen fables. But it was repelled by the great body of Jewish and Christian interpreters from the earliest scholars. It is assumed by them that a transgression of angels is here spoken of, though the existance of angels has not been a part of Genesis."
Green goes on to write, and I must agree, "This view has no sanction whatever in Scripture. Jude, vs. 6,7, and
11 Peter 2:4 have been tortured into sustaining it; but they contain no reference to this passage whatever. And there is no analogy anywhere in the Bible for adoption by the sacred writers of mythological notions in general, or for the idea in particular of the intermarriages of angels with men."
I note that later Judaism and almost all the earliest ecclesiastical writers identify the 'sons of God' with the fallen angels; but from the 4th century onward, as the ideas of angelic natures became less material, the Fathers commonly take 'sons of God' to be Seth's descendants and the 'daughters of men' those of Gain."
To quote Green once again (p. 54): "Sexual relations are knowhere in Scripture attributed to superior beings. There is no suggestion that angels are married or given in marriage; indeed the contrary is expressly declared by Jesus in Matthew 22:30. Male and female deities have no place in the Bible, except as a heathen notion which is uniformly reprobated. The Hebrew language does not even possess a word for 'goddess.'
In my mind, the whole conception of sexual life, as connected with God or angels, is absolutely foreign to Hebrew thought, and for that reason cannot be supposed to be countenanced here. The phrase, "sons of God," is a common designation of the chosen people, the worshipers of the living an true God throughout the Old Testament.
Please note: Exod. 4:22; Deut. 14:1; 32:5,6,18,19; Hos. 1:10, 11,1; Isa. 43:6, 45:11; Jer. 31:20, cf. 11 Cor. 6:18), whereas worshipers of false gods are spoken of as sons and daughters of those gods (e.g., Num. 21:29, Mal. 2:11). To me, this is very important in exegesis of the text.
I can sum up my thoughts on this study in this way:
It is in entire accord with the Biblical usage that the pious race (Seth's), who adhered to the true worship of God, are called the sons of God in contrast with the descendants of Cain, who had gone out from the presence of Jehovah, and abandoned the seat of His worship entirely. When reading Scripture, note the numerous passages throughout the Pentateuch in which intermarriage of Israelites with Canaanites is viewed with deep concern, if not actually forbidden, lest the former should be seduced into idolatry, or into the gross moral corruption of the Cult of Fertility, as a consequence. (E.g., in Genesis 24:2-4, 27:46. 28:1-2, 26:34; 28:6-8 and ch 34). Obviously any kind of warning against intermarriage with angels does not occur in Scripture, because it would have ben meaningless.
You stated: "The post flood giants were genetically different from the sons of man. Probably the results of another visit from angelic beings. (They had six toes and six fingers, count them, 24 in all)
So, how do I account for being born with six fingers on one hand (count them, 21 in all)? Contact the tabloids! "Man is off-spring of angelic being" (of course, the blood-line must have gotten diluted). Go ahead, have some fun with this. Just too good to ignore.
I'm insulted, how dare you say I'm defective! I hope you understand my initial sentence is said only in mock horror.
I think we'd also probably agree Black is Black and White is White. I'm not as easily swayed to make the a = b = c = xyz agruments I often see offered by others (much more by Ken than you). I disagree with many of your conclusions, especially about contemporary conspiracies, but I don't doubt you have the best of intentions and neither do I doubt your intelligence.
As for being defective, since we live in a world where sin has entered I believe, in some sense, all of nature has felt the effects and God's perfect creation has been made defective.
Yes, I'd describe my 6th finger as a defect (my parents had a Doctor remove it when I was an infant). I'm not convinced my extra finger or the giants' were the result of genetic differences brought about by angelic beings procreating with humans.
For me, Jesus' answer to the Sadducees in Matthew 22:23-33 seems to reveal angels do not have gender. However, there have been legions of individuals who believe/d certain OT passages indicate some angels procreated. I don't see that as a necessary inference but good men/women have disagreed and it did not fundamentally alter their view of God, Scripture or salvation.
Ask: For whom will God come with Ten Thousand of His saints as He came to Mount Seir?
Jude 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having mens persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
The mockers are the sporters whom Jesus identified as CHILDREN in the marketplace (Agora) PIPING trying to get others to sing and dance the Dionysus shuffle.
Jude is quoting from the Book of Enoch whose words pop up all over the New Testament and my personal collection of three dozen versions all of which show that Satan used MUSIC to seduce people and MOCK those who fell.
In the Bible this story speaks of Jubal who is Genun:
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. Gen 4:19
And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. Gen 4:20
And his brothers name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle (Taphas: without divine warrant) the harp and organ. Gen 4:21
Taphas (h8610) taw-fas'; a prim. root; to manipulate, i. e. seize; chiefly to CAPTURE, wield; spec. to overlay; fig. to use unwarrantably: - catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, surely, surprise, take.
Taphaph (h8608) taw-faf'; a prim. root; to drum, i. e. play (as) on the tambourine: - taber, play with timbrels.
This identifies TOPHETH which is the symbol of hell which had once been the King's MUSIC GROVE where they burned babies to the beat of musical instruments. The RACE of Lamech who appears as EA the patron god of music in Babylon used the ARTS AND CRAFTS "without authority" to BUNDLE people into cities and sell them their OWN animals. Something like SELLING the free water of the Word.
The Babylonian composite of Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naaman is Genun or the "Geni" or "Genus" which appears throughout the literature. Believe it or not but THAT is what everyone in that period believed and THEY knew the language.
Genun the CANAANITE, son of Lamech the Blind, living in the Land of the Slime Pits, was ruled by Azael from his earliest youth, and invented all sorts of musical instruments.
When he played these, Azael entered into them too, so that they gave forth seductive tunes entrancing the hearts of all listeners.
Genun would assemble companies of musicians, who inflamed one another with music until their lust burned bright like fire, and they lay together promiscuously. He also brewed beer, gathered great crowds in taverns, gave them to drink, and taught them to forge iron swords and spear-points, with which to do murder at random when they were drunk.
Hey, you don't believe it? That's ok the REST of the ancient world believed it and Jude and the Book of Revelation shows that the same SPIRIT will drive the end-time church into commerce and CAPTURING people to fleece them by the USE of music and MUSICIANS. (Rev. 18)
Not true? Maybe not but there is NO EXCEPTION which does not connect instruments and arousal singing with something evil primarily because it INTENDS to silence the Word which was the task of the Scribes, Pharisees and Hypocrites [a SECTARIAN group of theatrical and musical performers.]
Don't believe that? That's ok: just PROVES the REMNANT theory where it is asked SHALL HE FIND FAITH WHEN HE RETURNS? No, almost none so go looking where the MASSES are collected and what it is that SUCKS out the seekers.
Enoch 1:Chapter 7
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
ASK: Who in the "religious world" CONSUMES the time, attention and money of working people?
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
1 And Azazel [The SCAPE GOAT they were forced to HONOR after the Nadab-Ahihu event] taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
Armaros was the 11th Watcher of the 20 leaders of the 200 fallen angels that are mentioned in an ancient work called the Book of Enoch. The name means "cursed one", which is fitting because some people speculate that Armaros was the fallen angel that had the idea of "swearing on an oath; we will bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon our plan but [to] execute our projected undertaking", which were the Nephilim.
ALL musical terms with or WITHOUT instruments have the meaning of ENCHANTMENT. That is why the instruments and FUNCTIONARIES in Revelation 18 are defined as USING sorcery.
ASK: Who are the GIANTS to whom people are FORCED to give heed (Paul's unique worship word) as they STAND in the "holy place" of church architecture CLAIMING to lead you into the presence of God when they are STROKING all of your pleasure centers and picking your pocket.
Giants or CANAANITES In pulpits CONTRARY to prophecy.
February 13 2006, 2:23 PM
I can honestly say that I have never met a NIKE who didn't wet his panty hose if a LAID asked him anything complicated or made the mistake of knowing that "Noah didn't cross the Red Sea in the Ark of the Covenant." I heard Bishop Paul say that God shut Noah up in the Ark of the Covenant: no wonder the poor man got drunk. Anyone who can "charisma" (Charismatic meaning perverted) an audience into paying him for what Jesus died to give as FREE WATER OF THE WORD will turn and rend you if you tamper with their cash flow. Before they preach any more JUDE they had better make sure they know FOR WHOM God comes with ten thousands of His saints. Read Revelation 18:22 if you want to know the true ANTIs who are anti the very nature of the school of the Bible Jesus died to peel them off our backs and LADE the very burden Jesus removes: "Spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" of which music is the most ancient, pagan, superstitious and BURDEN LADING and WORKS INTENSIVE act anyone ever did.
No one in the history of the church ever went MUSICAL who didn't first reject the WORD as it has been historically held as the AUTHORITY for what you can add to "church" without destroying the view that "church" was a school of the Bible and not a pagan worship center. The word PSALLO was grasped only in 1878 after several denominations had added instruments primarily after the Civil war with the avowed confession that it would ATTRACT "the largest miscellaneous crowds" while even DENYING that it was Part of the worship. History is filled with periods when people lost faith in their religion and in the words of Joseph Campbell CRACKED AWAY and adopted some archaic worship form. When the American Indian's religion was outlawed they CRACKED AWAY to the Peyote cult.
"It is symptomatic of structures that have lost their elasticity, becoming too rigid to accommodate further development, to intensify the semantics of self-reference as a sort of final act of self-reassurance.
The patterns of self-reference by drama to drama as we see them in The Bacchae of Euripides reflect a crisis in the very genre of tragedy, in the context of drastic changes in Athenian society toward the end of the fifth century; the prospect is one of abrupt confrontation and loss." -- Nagy, Pindar's Homer p. 388
Next, it is important to grasp that Moses didn't decide to DO a history of the universe. Rather, after Israel fell back into musical idolatry of the trinity and God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host, Moses wrote a PRESCRIPTIVE in the same style as the book of Revelation issuing the same warning.
The "worship" of the Canaanites originated out of Africa with the same voodoo superstition which defines Greek and Babylonian paganism. Therefore, it is common to find that Greek accounts are often perversions of the Hebrew experience in Babylon, Egypt and back int Canaan to merge with Canaanite Baalism.
Even if the story is totally humanoid, it takes place between the pastoral people on the slopes of a mountain eternally fighting the "fertility cults" of the agriculturist down in the dark soil of the Cainites. You can still see the Temple of Jupiter, Bacchus, Pan etal were the "Cainite" Fertility rituals were conducted and continued into the Feast of Tabernacles where Jesus refused to attend the opening ceremonies because even as the men of good deeds and even the elders danced to the arousal music the SAME people were plotting the death of Jesus.
More Book of Enoch:
8 That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.
Note: (5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).
Charam (h2763) khaw-ram'; a prim. root; to seclude; spec. (by a ban) to devote to religious uses (espec. destruction); phys. and reflex. to be blunt as to the nose: - make accursed, consecrate, (utterly) destroy, devote, forfeit, have a flat nose, utterly (slay, make away).
Cherem (h2764) khay'-rem; or (Zech. 14:11) cherem kheh'-rem; from 2763; phys. (as shutting in) a net (either lit. or fig.); usually a doomed object; abstr. extermination: - (ac-) curse (-d, -d thing), dedicated thing, things which should have been utterly destroyed, (appointed to) utter destruction, devoted (thing), net
9 These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. (6)
Note: (6) The Aramaic texts preserve an earlier list of names of these Watchers:
10 Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees."
If you want to know about the APOLLO or Abaddon or Apollyon and the MUSE connections as the LOCUSTS unleashed about now, you might want to read one of the typical records of modern NEW STYLE WORSHIP from old style Babylon.
The Bacchae By Euripides shows the only understanding in history: instruments were given by the "gods."
"Anon shall the whole land be dancing, when Bromius leads his revellers to the hills, to the hills away! where wait him groups of maidens from loom and shuttle roused in frantic haste by Dionysus. O hidden cave of the Curetes! O hallowed haunts in Crete, that saw Zeus born, where Corybantes with crested helms devised for me in their grotto the rounded timbrel of ox-hide (lifeless instrument), mingling Bacchic minstrelsy with the shrill sweet accents of the Phrygian flute, a gift bestowed by them on mother Rhea, [Zoe] to add its crash of music to the Bacchantes' shouts of joy;
but frantic satyrs won it from the mother-goddess for their own, and added it to their dances in festivals, which gladden the heart of Dionysus, each third recurrent year. Oh! happy that votary, when from the hurrying revel-rout he sinks to earth, in his holy robe of fawnskin, chasing the goat to drink its blood, a banquet sweet of flesh uncooked, as he hastes to Phrygia's or to Libya's hills; while in the van the Bromian god exults with cries of Evoe (Eve or ZOE among the Gnostics). With milk and wine and streams of luscious honey flows the earth, and Syrian incense smokes.
While the Bacchante holding in his hand a blazing torch of pine uplifted on his wand waves it, as he speeds along, rousing wandering votaries, and as he waves it cries aloud with wanton tresses tossing in the breeze; and thus to crown the revelry, he raises loud his voice, "On, on, ye Bacchanals, pride of Tmolus (a gold-producing mountain in Lydia, near Sardis:) with its rills of gold to the sound of the booming drum, chanting in joyous strains the praises of your joyous god with Phrygian accents lifted high, what time the holy lute with sweet complaining note invites you to your hallowed sport, according well with feet that hurry wildly to the hills; like a colt that gambols at its mother's side in the pasture, with gladsome heart each Bacchante bounds along."
They tried to get Jesus to BOW while the clergy PIPED but He refused and they killed Him. It is perfectly clear that the JEWISH SECTARIANS hoped and expected that Messiah would be DIONYSUS who along with ZEUS, music, sexuality and perverted sexuality STOOD IN THE HOLY PLACES. That is why Jesus spoke to these SECTARIANS of preachers, writers and performers IN PARABLES to PREVENT them from hearing the WORD. These were the same types who were ready to MURDER Paul when he threatened their TECHNE which is lumped in Revelation 18 as operatives of the Holy (wholly) Whore worship with singers, instrumentalists, techne or crafts meaning "theater builders and stage managers), grinders (concubines or harlots) making a "piping" noise with their legs spread and thighs exposed and ALL beyond being a school of the Bible run by members whom Paul identified as COMPETENT--think you very much "saddle mounters."
Wow, somehow he did it. Kenny made it back to the music discussion again and like Rick said "it's evil." Keep that discussion in one of the many music forums kenny, I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong again. This forum is for discussing the giants.
With a little study you will find that Jesus spoke in parables because it was prophecied that He would do so: Psalms 78:2-4....I will save you the trip into Pslams and give you the Scripture, I don't want you to fall over the string instruments in the Book. Again Kenny, the reason WHY Jesus spoke in "parables."
"I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we HAVE HEARD and KNOWN, and OUR FATHERS HAVE TOLD US. We WILL NOT hide them from their children, showing to the generation to come the praise of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he had done." I have capitalized words for your benefit Kenny.....Most of those Jews understood what Jesus was saying, but like you, they were so hung up on their own "self righteousness" that they went their merry way critizing all that He did.
This verse won't coast you anything Kenny, I hope it puts an end to your idea that the "...Jew on the street did not know what Jesus was saying..."
"The chief priests and Pharisees had HEARD his PARABLES, and preceived that he SPOKE of THEM" (Matthew 21:45). Woops,....I guess you missed that verse in your study. No doubt, your indepth study of the "musical instruments" has clouded your cerebral hemisphere.
Any jake legged preacher worth his salt should know this.
When Jesus sent the "twelve disciples out to preach two by two, that the kingdom of heaven was at hand" (Matthew 10), did they preach in parables? Why not Kenny..? After all, they preached what Jesus had instructed them to preach....and it was not in parables, the Jew knew of their preaching.... Can you hear the disciples now...."The kingdom of heaven is at hand, and there will be no piano playing because it will cause the anti's to misinterpret the parables....."
Kenneth, now is the time for you to get away from the "Flute girls, and the dancing nymphs, learn what Jesus taught the men who would "turn the world upside down" with their preaching. Lord knows, a person searching for the truth on this forum will not find it from all the "Fruit Loop" rambling.....No wonder the non instrumental church is dwindling....too many preachers who cannot teach the meaning of the Atonement, Justification, Redemption, Sanctification and why Jesus spoke in parables....!
The old "YOU ARE FAILING mantra" which ALL of those "infiltrating and diverting" peaceable churches of Christ say over and over and over. It is NOT a fact, however. The PROGRAM proven by the REMNANT is that MOST people will be called out to the entertainment "venues" and the true ekklesia will probably be as invisible as the kingdom. Many of them have been RAPTURED by the invasion of the Body Snatchers ENRAPTURING the "audience" which means raped.
The FACT that the PARABLE cannot be heard is proven by the fact that you don't know a SINGLE preacher-creature who knows WHAT happened when Israel rejected The Covenant of Grace (The Book of the Covenant), turned back with Musical Idolatry and were plagued with The Book of the Law from which youse guys gets your MUSICATING which was valid only by Levites, in Canaan, in or around Jerusalem, only "outside" the Temple and was to SERVE (meaning hard bondage) as they slaughtered tens of thousands of TYPES of Jesus Christ and STILL had no cleansing.
Then and there God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the Starry hosts (Stephen and many of the prophets). The King was LIKE THE NATIONS and God knew that it was so they could WORSHIP like the nations. Therefore, the LAW and the MONARCHY were curses added SPECIFICIALLY because of the transgression of musical idolatry. Still, no common Israelite engaged in "singing with instrumental accompaniment." If YOU do it is it s PARABLE message that you still want to DO the cross which was prophesied to be and was MOCKED by the Leviticl warrior musicians (called noise makers). No Levitical Warrior musician ever sang or played or even ENTERED the Holy Place which was a type of the true synagogue or body or church of Christ. A singer or musician who entered--even to clean out the garbage from the old Assyrian musical idolaters--would be executed by his "brethren."
Psalm 78 and others includes the story of God giving The Book of the Covenant, their RISING up to play in musical idolatry and His giving them The Book of the Law. The METAPHOR is that they were BLINDED at Mount Sinai and would not be able to read Black text on white paper until they TURNED to God in baptism. Then, they would know that the LORD was that Spirit. (2 Cor. 3)
Psa 78:GIVE ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
A parable is:
Mashal (h4912) maw-shawl'; appar. from 4910 in some orig. sense of superiority in mental action; prop. a pithy maxim, usually of a metaphorical nature; hence a simile (as an adage, poem, discourse): - byword, like, parable, proverb.
Chiydah (h2420) khee-daw'; from 2330; a puzzle; hence a trick, conundrum, sententious maxim: - dark saying (sentence, speech), hard question, proverb, riddle.
Psa 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
Psa 78:4 We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
Psa 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
Psa 78:6 That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
God's purpose was:
Psa 78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Psa 78:8 And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.
Psa 78:9 The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.
Psa 78:10 They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;
Psa 78:11 And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them.
Psa 78:56 Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:
Psa 78:57 But turned BACK, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow.
Psa 78:58 For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images.
Psa 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:
Psa 78:60 So that he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which he placed among men;
Psa 78:61 And delivered his strength into captivity, and his glory into the enemys hand.
Psa 78:62 He gave his people over also unto the sword; and was wroth with his inheritance.
Psa 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
Next, I will tell you the meaning of the MARK that all of the preachers I have ever heard PREACH that Jesus spoke in parables to make it SIMPLE. However, there WILL be a highway there and FOOLS will not even be able to stumble and find it.
Re: Why Jesus Spoke In Parables: to FOOL the FOOLS.
February 15 2006, 12:09 PM
When Israel rose up in musical idolatry to REPUDIATE the covenant of Grace much like the Abrahamic Covenant, God burdened them with a Law and blinded the people who had doomed themselves to captivity and death. God's conditional sentence was finally poured out when the ELDERS demanded a king like the nations (pagans) and God knew that it was to WORHIP like the nations.
Individuals have ALWAYS been accepted by God if they FEAR HIM and WORK RIGHTEOUSNESS. Because they WERE NOT LOST they needed no pagan ceremonialism. However, only the King and the CIVIL government was involved in the temple sacrifices which were identical to those of the Canaanites. Among the CLERGY most were BLINDED until they turned to the Lord.
In explaining why the MULTITUDES were excluded by their own efforts, Jesus pointed to the same MUSICAL IDOLATRY which doomed the NATIONAL state at Mount Sinai.
Jesus quoted from Isaiah and Ezekiel 33 to describe the Jews of the first century who were more involved with mouth religion and ceremonial than with the Word of God:
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the SPIRIT of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers,
the seers hath he covered. Isaiah 29:10
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: Isaiah 29:11
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Isaiah 29:12
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch
as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Isaiah 29:13
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Isaiah 29:14
1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co.1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
Ezekiel put it this way:
Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Ezekiel 33:30
And they come unto thee
as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they hear thy words,
but they will not do them:
for with their mouth they shew much love,
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Ezekiel 33:31
And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song
of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument:
for they hear thy words,
but they do them not. Ezekiel 33:32
And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them. Ezekiel 33:33
In verse 32 the NIV says that YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN. If you are NOTHING MORE than one who sings with a beautiful voice and a well-played instrument?
When asked why He spoke in parables which no one could understand unless He explained, Jesus said that it was to keep the insincere from seeing and hearing Him. Paul identified those who were ACCEPTABLE or righteous in a human sense as those who FEARED GOD and WORKED RIGHTEOUSNESS. That DEFINED OUT the nation and CLERGY as a group. We know that they were of the SEED of Abraham but we know that they were not OF Isaac or Israel. They were HIRELINGS or mercinaries as the TEMPLE had always been polluted by commercial RELIGIONISTS who "saw godliness as a means of financial gain" meaning OCCUPATION.
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? Matthew 13:10
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias,
which saith, By hearing ye shall hear,
and shall not understand;
and seeing ye shall see,
and shall not perceive: Matthew 13:14
For this peoples heart is WAXED gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Matthew 13:15
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. Matthew 13:16
Paul said it this way:
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; Eph 3:8
That means that the HIGH CHURCH Disciples CANNOT search out for themselve NOTHING--JUST NOTHING. That means that if Max SEES VISIONS to remove the name of CHRIST and add instruments, he is not telling the truth. If Rubel HEARS VOICES for a new style of "organization and worship" after the WILDERNESS PATTERNISM then he is less than honest. DeGroote who defined the Christian Church as a CHURCH because it has a LIVING Bible; and churches of Christ who defend on the BIBLE are SECTS. That means that DeGroote and all of the Grooters are wrong. The High Church principle they USE to deliberatelly sow discord over the MUSIC issue IS WRONG. NO MAN HEARS the voice of God unless the SON revealed Him.
If you want to SEE and PARTICPATE you must CONFESS that God has always used symbolic speech making Genesis much like Revelation then you CANNOT hallucinate or IMPROVISE:
And to make all men see what is the FELLOWSHIP of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Eph 3:9
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, Eph 3:10
If you want to BATTLE the other musicators down the street to CHASE THE BUCK (without a bow) then YOU can use LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS which are CARNAL WEAPONS. Otherwise, OUT battle has only the WORD as SPIRIT to prove to the EVIL WITNESSES that God can gain the victory using us as JOBS.
Wonder why the Bible is FILLED to the overflowing with ASSOCIATING music with telling God to SHUT YOUR FACE?
And wonder how people can bump and grind telling people to LOOK AT JESUS and promise to MEDIATE by leading them into God's presence?
Wonder why there is not a JOT OR TITTLE of any kind of literature which does not associate music with the mind-altering required for pagan "madness" in Paul's words?
Wonder why, suddenly in our life times NO BODY can see NOTHING at all negative about music?
Wonder why Jesus died to remove the "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" and musicologists and Nimrod knows that music AROUSES panic which PRODUCES drugs to give you a CURE to be TRAFFICKED as the SPIRIT grinding around in your literal body and those who have NEVER forgotten that church is a school of the Bible and children must sit down and shut up in school are labeled the heretics?
People CLAIM to be Apostles and Prophets these days: I say they are Apostates and Profits. THAT is a MARK of the end times where they USE instruments and USE musicians right on time. Why? Remember the LAST SHAKING which fits the destruction of literal Jerusalem by the Romans and thee LAST shaking by the HARLOT:
Isa 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Is.25:5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
Branch is: Zamiyr (h2158) zaw-meer'; or zamir zaw-meer'; and (fem.) zˇmirah zem-ee-raw'; from 2167; a song to be accompanied with instrumental music: - psalm (-ist), singing, song
Isa 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise [shouting and singing], with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isa 29:7 And the multitude [riches, rumbling, sounding] of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
Isa 29:8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.
Isa 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry [amuse yourself]: they are drunken [be merry], but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
Isa Is.29:10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the SPIRIT of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. SPIRIT OF BURNING
Isa 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
You can murmur and mutter, peep and chirp, but I hope you copy this for prayerful study. Time is short. Or just Eat, Drink and Make MARY
Rick stated previously on some thread somewhere that the bottom line to every argument for our legalistic brothers is: "Instruments are evil."
Brothers, I give you exhibit A:
On a thread about "giants", and a post entitled "Why Jesus Spoke In Parables: To FOOL the FOOLS" (whatever that means), we get a long tirade, not even about giants OR parables, but... you guessed it- "Instruments are evil." Thank you Rick for pointing out how futile all my efforts at building up the Kingdom through this website actually are.
We can make good, valid, Biblical points all we want, but at the end of the day, they will read, hear and believe the same thing: "Instruments are evil. Stop trying to get us in some Fruit Loops"
Here are a few verses to prime your study pump. The question is "Do you believe what the bible says" or do you listen to man's attempt to explain the Truth away? Do you seek the Truth or do you want someone to help you fell comfortable with God?
Jesus warned us that this world would be as in the days of Noah, at His Second Coming. Do you explain away the Truth and make Jesus a lier, just so you can fell comfortable with God? The coC doctrine of "do all you can, then Jesus will make up for the rest" has lead many to explain away the Truth, to make Jesus a lier, but He is NOT.
So way do we need to know the Truth about the End Times? Because Jesus said that the things we will see come upon the Earth at His second coming will cause the hearts of men to fail. If it is bad enough to make your heart fail, because you don't know the Truth, then you will be decieved to believe a lie and will be damned. These are not my words, but Paul's in II Thess. 2.
The numbers beside the words are Strong's Concordence numbers. I left them so if you would like to look them up you can.
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Let’s start in the beginning: The Genius 6 giants. Many Theologist try to skirt by the truth of this subject by falsely teaching that the verse 2 “sons of God” were the decedents of Cain. The “sons of God” in Genius 6 are the same “sons of God” as those in Job 1:6, they are Angels. The reason angels are called the “sons of God” is because God created all the Angels, thus they are the sons of God.
The KJV bible give some information on Giants. Here are some of the verses. (Gen 6:4) There were1961 giants5303 in the earth776 in those1992 days;3117 and also1571 after310 that,3651 when834 the sons1121 of God430 came in935 unto413 the daughters1323 of men,120 and they bore3205 children to them, the same1992 became mighty men1368 which834 were of old,4480, 5769 men376 of renown.8034
(Num 13:33) And there8033 we saw7200 (853) the giants,5303 the sons1121 of Anak,6061 which come of4480 the giants:5303 and we were1961 in our own sight5869 as grasshoppers,2284 and so3651 we were1961 in their sight.5869
(Deu 2:11) Which1992 also637 were accounted2803 giants,7497 as the Anakims;6062 but the Moabites4125 call7121 them Emims.368
(Deu 2:20) ( That1931 also637 was accounted2803 a land776 of giants:7497 giants7497 dwelt3427 therein in old time;6440 and the Ammonites5984 call7121 them Zamzummims;2157
(Deu 3:11) For3588 only7535 Og5747 king4428 of Bashan1316 remained7604 of the remnant4480, 3499 of giants;7497 behold,2009 his bedstead6210 was a bedstead6210 of iron;1270 is it1931 not3808 in Rabbath7237 of the children1121 of Ammon?5983 nine8672 cubits520 was the length753 thereof, and four702 cubits520 the breadth7341 of it, after the cubit520 of a man.376
(Deu 3:13) And the rest3499 of Gilead,1568 and all3605 Bashan,1316 being the kingdom4467 of Og,5747 gave5414 I unto the half2677 tribe7626 of Manasseh;4519 all3605 the region2256 of Argob,709 with all3605 Bashan,1316 which1931 was called7121 the land776 of giants.7497
(Jos 12:4) And the coast1366 of Og5747 king4428 of Bashan,1316 which was of the remnant4480, 3499 of the giants,7497 that dwelt3427 at Ashtaroth6252 and at Edrei,154
(Jos 13:12) All3605 the kingdom4468 of Og5747 in Bashan,1316 which834 reigned4427 in Ashtaroth6252 and in Edrei,154 who1931 remained7604 of the remnant4480, 3499 of the giants:7497 for these did Moses4872 smite,5221 and cast them out.3423
(Jos 15:8) And the border1366 went up5927 by the valley1516 of the son1121 of Hinnom2011 unto413 the south4480, 5045 side3802 of the Jebusite;2983 the same1931 is Jerusalem:3389 and the border1366 went up5927 to413 the top7218 of the mountain2022 that834 lieth before5921 the valley1516 of Hinnom2011 westward,3220 which834 is at the end7097 of the valley6010 of the giants7497 northward:6828
(Jos 17:15) And Joshua3091 answered559, 413 them, If518 thou859 be a great7227 people,5971 then get thee up5927 to the wood3293 country, and cut down1254 for thyself there8033 in the land776 of the Perizzites6522 and of the giants,7497 if3588 mount2022 Ephraim669 be too narrow213 for thee.
(Jos 18:16) And the border1366 came down3381 to413 the end7097 of the mountain2022 that834 lieth before5921, 6440 the valley1516 of the son1121 of Hinnom,2011 and which834 is in the valley6010 of the giants7497 on the north,6828 and descended3381 to the valley1516 of Hinnom,2011 to413 the side3802 of Jebusi2983 on the south,5045 and descended3381 to En-rogel,5883
(2Sa 21:16) And Ishbibenob,3430 which834 was of the sons3211 of the giant,7498 the weight4948 of whose spear7013 weighed three7969 hundred3967 shekels of brass5178 in weight,4948 he1931 being girded2296 with a new2319 sword, thought559 to have slain5221 (853) David.1732
(2Sa 21:18) And it came to pass1961 after310 this,3651 that there was1961 again5750 a battle4421 with5973 the Philistines6430 at Gob:1359 then227 Sibbechai5444 the Hushathite2843 slew5221 (853) Saph,5593 which834 was of the sons3211 of the giant.7498
(2Sa 21:20) And there was1961 yet5750 a battle4421 in Gath,1661 where was1961 a man376 of great stature,4055 that had on every hand3027 six8337 fingers,676 and on every foot7272 six8337 toes,676 four702 and twenty6242 in number;4557 and he1931 also1571 was born3205 to the giant.7498
(2Sa 21:22) These428 (853) four702 were born3205 to the giant7498 in Gath,1661 and fell5307 by the hand3027 of David,1732 and by the hand3027 of his servants.5650
(1Ch 20:4) And it came to pass1961 after310 this,3651 that there arose5975 war4421 at Gezer1507 with5973 the Philistines;6430 at which time227 Sibbechai5444 the Hushathite2843 slew5221 (853) Sippai,5598 that was of the children4480, 3211 of the giant:7497 and they were subdued.3665
(1Ch 20:6) And yet again5750 there was1961 war4421 at Gath,1661 where was1961 a man376 of great stature,4060 whose fingers and toes676 were four702 and twenty,6242 six8337 on each hand, and six8337 on each foot: and he1931 also1571 was the son3205 of the giant.7497
(1Ch 20:8) These411 were born3205 unto the giant7497 in Gath;1661 and they fell5307 by the hand3027 of David,1732 and by the hand3027 of his servants.5650
(Job 16:14) He breaketh6555 me with breach6556 upon5921, 6440 breach,6556 he runneth7323 upon5921 me like a giant.1368
The Giants were the offspring of the “Fallen Angels” and the human women.
Matt:24:37But as the days of Noe, so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
Could it be that the Gaints will/are returning?
Check this out. http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/full.php?news=5187
If Tom Horn sturs your interest and you see the need to spiritually prepare yourself for the soon coming of Jesus, then check out Steve Quayle's work on Gaints. He has done the hard work of reseaching this issue for you.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT....CATHOLICS ARE RIGHT ?????? FIRST OF ALL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS WRONG ALL THE WAY AROUND. THEY PRAY TO MARY WHO WAS HUMAN, NOT GOD. CONFESS THEIR SINS TO THE PRIEST, NOT GOD. EVE WAS CREATED FOR ADAM, TO HAVE A MATE. MARRIAGE IS NOT ALLOWED FOR PRIESTS,WHICH IS WRONG!!!! IF YOU READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT MARY HAD 7 CHILDREN, BESIDES JESUS!!!! ALIENS?? UFOS, COME ON , TRY DARK ANGELS, SPIRITS , DEMONS, NEPHILUM. YES, READ THE BIBLE STUDY IT WORD FOR WORD. YES THEY WILL BE AMOUNG US SOON BUT IT WILL BE COMMON PLACE AFTER THE INITIAL SHOCK. PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND IT IS PATHETIC. THERE IS NO RATURE EITHER, YOU WILL GO THROUGH THIS TO THE END. JESUS WAS TORCHERD,BEATEN, BATTERED,BROKEN AND HUNG FOR US TO BE SAVED. WE ARE HEADED FOR SERIOUS TIMES AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! LOOK AROUND IT HAS ALREADY BEGUN. THERE ISNT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME LEFT! YEAH, THE CHURCHES ARE POLLUTED, SOME ARE IMITATIONS OF OLD, MIXED WITH AN NEW AGE GARBAGE.LOOK AROUND. WAKE UP . READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF. LIVE LIKE A CHRISTIAN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. NOT JUST ONCE A WEEK AT CHURCH. CHOOSE JESUS NOT HELL WITH EVERLASTING TORMENT. ASK GOD TO OPEN YOUR EYES FOR UNDERSTANDING IN THE BIBLE. SEEK HIM WITH ALL YOUR HEART! THANKYOU!!
For those that believe it is impossible for a spiritual being to have offspring through a human, do you not realize that if this not possible, then Jesus is not God? Mary did not realize how such a thing could happen, but happen it did. God became a man through a woman. Granted, it is a huge mystery, but we are called to believe it. It was not spelled out in Genesis 3:15, but somehow the "Seed" from this fallen woman, Eve, would crush the head of the serpent. Arthur Custance, in his Doorway Paper titled "The Seed of the Woman" does a good job of explaining how God preserved pure seed in Eve, even through the fall, that would later be used to bring forth the Messiah. It is not too hard to believe that the devil's fallen angels figured out how God would do this and they tried to defeat Him by copying His methods. They always copy.
There is a passage in Daniel 2 that hints at what happened in Genesis 6. Daniel 2:43 says that "they" will mingle with the seed of men, but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. Just who is this "they" that is contrasted with the seed of men, and why do they want to mingle with men? In the vision Daniel is interpreting, the iron attempts to mix with clay. What does the clay represent? Is it not "the seed of men"? So what does the iron (and the three other metals in the image)represent? They represent the spiritual forces behind the world empires. Why does "the Stone cut out without hands" strike the image on the feet and toes where the mixing of iron with clay takes place? Why does the Stone not strike the image on the head of gold, topple it over and then grind it to powder? It (He, Jesus) most certainly could have. The image is struck on the feet for a reason, and I believe it is a parallel to what happened in Genesis 6 and the flood which came afterward. The incarnation of a God/man is holy and not to be copied. Any copy is judged.
As far as Jesus not hiding things in parables, both sides in this argument are right to a certain extent. Jesus gave parables that hide things in open sight. You have to have ears to hear before you can see anything about the kingdom of God from the parables. The example of the scribes and pharisees knowing that He had spken a parable about them is kind of misleading, because although they understood the parable, these scribes and pharisees did not get anything out of the parable except rebuke and rejection. There are many parables and "hidden messages" in the scriptures that are not obvious at first. It's just like being with someone you know very well. Over time you get to know how that person relates one thing with another, what kind of expressions they use in different situations, and how they name things. How many of you fathers would give your daughter a make-up kit marketed as "Freddy Kruger cosmetics"? Or give your son an "Adolf Hitler" shaving kit? Why in the world then, would God want us to worship Him with music, and then proceed to have musical instruments denoted in the bible by words with the kind of vile and defiling meanings that are used there to denote musical instruments? This is a form of a parable. Put the object alongside the meaning of it's name, with all of it's associations.
Numbers 25:14-15 has a messge in it, even though many will claim that they understand it's meaning from a surface reading. One day I was in the book of Numbers and had read about Balak's dread of the approaching Israelites. He hired Balaam to curse them, but Balaam was forced to bless them instead. Since Balaam wanted to get paid, he slipped hints into his prophecies that told Balak how to get Israel to become vulnerable. Get Israel to fall into iniquity and become weak (Numbers 23:21). They did this by tempting the Israelite men with young Moabite women and getting them to join in their idolatrous worship rites, which included sex. 24,000 Israelites fell to this ploy. I read through chapter 25 and tried several times to go on to chapter 26, but my eyes kept going back up the page to the name Zimri in 25:14. After 3 or 4 tries I decided that maybe the Lord was trying to tell me that I should stop and see what is going on with this Zimri guy. He was one of 24,000 to sin in this matter. Why was he singled out for mention? Why were his and the Midianite woman's family ties recorded? Was it because they were from prominent families? Because they were so brazen in their actions? I felt led to look at what Zimri's name means in Hebrew. After finding out it means "musical" I had a feeling I knew where this all was heading. Below is the list of the names in Numbers 25:14-15 along with their meanings.
Zimri - "musical"
Salu - "weighed" (in the sense of HANGING UP
or SUSPENDING a set of scales.
The word 'selah' in the psalms
is closley related, and means
to suspend or stop an activity
to meditate on [mentally weigh]
Simeon - "hearing"
Cozbi - "false"
Zur - "rock"
Midian - "strife or contention"
This passage seems like a simple genealogy in an English translation. But to someone who knows Hebrew, and the meaning of the names, it spells out a clear message, especially when viewed in the context of the Moabites efforts to keep the children of Israel out of the promised land. Music suspends your hearing and gets you involved with a false rock (strength, refuge, foundation) ,and with strife, and contention. This discovery confirms what many other scriptures say.(Job 21:12, Isaiah 5:11-14, Ezekiel 33:30-33, Amos 5:21-24 & 6:3-8, along with others) So, this passage in Numbers is not only an example of a parable that hides truth, it also has to do with the topic of music in the bible. It is significant that the plague among the Israelites was not checked until Phineas nailed "music" and "falsehood" to the ground with his spear.
Mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
God created angels without the need or ability to procreate. They do not have seed in them to produce offspring, nor the creative power to produce it. With God, on the other hand, all things are possible.
Your right God did create all the Angels; We are made of clay but God created the Angels from fire, but Angels don't procreate because there are no Female Angels. That is why Eve was a surprize to the Angels, they did not know what a woman was. Genusis 6 tells us that Angels are male.
Most people I talk to about this ask "Where is the evidence". Well good question. But would it really matter? There are a few on this web site that skeletons of giants would not matter. They still would come up with something to justify their comfort belief. But for those that are sitting on the fence of wanting to believe the bible or not, go to youtube and search "giant human skeletons" you can spent all day watching video on Giant Human Skeleton finds.
Now if preachers and teachers at your church are scared of this truth, then what else are they lying about? From what I have learn, they lie about a lot. You are a lot better off running from them and asking the Holy Spirit to teach you.
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What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)