I just finished reading your article entitled, "Sublett Exposed." Although it wasn't what I expected, considering the title, it was an interesting read. However, I am somewhat confused by your conclusion and would appreciate your answering a few questions.
First, who is being spoken of in Ezekiel 28:13 according to the context? If you need to, please refer to verses 1-12 to reacquaint yourself with the text.
Second, does the Hebrew demand the translation as found in the KJV, specifically the words "tabret" and "pipes"? Can those words be accurately translated as "settings" and "sockets" as found in a few other translations? Actually, if you consider the context of the verse, the words settings and sockets fit the figurative description much better than tabrets and pipes; especially when you consider the jewels previously mentioned in the verse.
Third, even if the verse is speaking of Satan, which I don't believe it to be, does the fact that he was created with "tabrets and pipes" (provided that is the demanded translation) mean that ALL instruments are sinful. If that is the case, wouldn't that type of argument imply that everything is sinful?
I researched the links you provided and followed the thread for quite some time before finally finding a reference to Ezekiel 28. However, the verse discussed wasn't the one I asked my question about, verse 13. Could you please just address the question anew, or atleast just copy and paste the discussion regarding that verse.
The kings of Tyre and of Babylon as types of Lucifer or indwelled by Lucifer is credited with using WIND, STRING and PERCUSSION instruments to DECEIVE people. The Lucifer Principle again articulated by the Babylonian Harlot in Revelation uses music as a WEAPON of Commerce. No one can doubt that secluar or "christian" musicians can such out the wealth of people and leave children in troube.
One of the missed points is that SINGING was what informed Moses of idolatry at Mount Sinai. And the Bible is overflowing with connecting SINGING and INSTRUMENTS to evil or telling God that you will not listen to his words. You have to worry when latter day people clearly engaged in TRAFFIC manage to fool the world and pretend that God needs to be fed, clothed, housed, entertained and even fornicated. That was the MARK of the Babylon Model where the "gods" created mankind as LABOR SAVINGS DEVICES for the AGENTS of the Gods. Lucian notes that you can spin a sieve to make the gods whistle from within and play the flute and "fleece the fat heads and simpleons." Maybe they NEED to be fleeced? A hireling-changeling in Seattle USED Lucian to lie and steal the church house of widows.
Because the serpent in the garden was a NACHASH meaning a Musical Enchanter and who sexually seduced Eve (according to Paul) and this connects directrly to BRASS which introduced a terrorizing but exciting element to the flute or trumpet and Revelation 18 has the same story, you have to make this LITERAL-SOUNDING story means what it DOES NOT SAY in order to negate the universal connection between all musical sounds and people taking the skin off the poor and craunching their bones while they gladly PAY them an ungodly wage to do it.
Thou hast BEEN in EDEN the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy TABRETS and of thy PIPES was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Ezekiel 28:13
Of Ezekiel 28:13 which speaks of the "workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes" may speak of the work which the musical instruments were supposed to perform
"Furst takes the words as meaning musical instruments that were of gold set with jewels."
Of the 9 other stones: "Ewald, following out the Urim and Thummim idea, takes the gems as the subject of the sentence, and translates, 'they were for the work of thine oracles and divining." (Pulpit Commentary, Ezekiel, p. 102).
Both pipes and tabrets were instruments of divining: most people believed that the "gods" or demons lived inside musical instruments. When played, the sorcerers or witches such as the Witch of Endor sold the idea that the sounds were God inside. In Greek:
Aulos [aêmi to blow] 1. a flute or rather clarionet (for it was played by a mouthpiece, glôssis, Aeschin.), Il., etc.; auloi andrêoi [male] and gunaikêoi [female] , Lat. tibiae dextrae and sinistrae, bass and treble, Hdt.; sometimes one person played two auloi at once, Theocr.; aulos Enualiou, i. e. a trumpet, Anth.:-- hup' aulou to the sound of the flute, Hdt.; so, pros aulon, hupo ton aulon Xen.
glôttis = glôssa 111, the mouth-piece of a pipe , Luc.
2. any tube or pipe, as the socket of a spear-head, the groove into which the tongue of a buckle fitted, Hom.; the pipe of bellows, Thuc.:-- aulos pachus, in Od., seems to mean a jet of blood through the tube of the nostril.
The JUDAS BAG was the glossamakon. It was carrried the mouthpieces or tongues of wind instruments. It is derived from speaking in tongues and "of the world." When Jesus fed the SOP (similar to Psallo or melody) Satan CAME INTO HIM and he fled. ZOE (Eve in the Septuagint) and the ZOE MOVEMENT is attempting to subvert the church and the Word with "musical worship."
Well, here is the clue and remember that Jesus spoke and ACTED parables to keep the MASSES from understanding. If you had read Psalm 41 you could grasp that the Judas (Satan) attack would involve musical mocking.
Jn.12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Now, the people were under Hellenistic influence and THAT means GREEK. We have the New Testament in GREEK: that is why it is important to know what those GREEK words mean in GREEK.
Glossokomon (g1101) gloce-sok'-om-on; from 1100 and the base of 2889; prop. a case (to keep mouthpieces of wind-instruments in), i.e. (by extens.) a casket or (spec.) purse: - bag.
More Greek: Glôsso-komeion , to, ( [komeô] ) case to keep the reeds or tongues of musical instruments, casket, money-box,; compartment in a water-organ
The Latin uses the word FORAMEN which is any opening: a flute is POLLUTED because it is bored with holes. A millstone is perforated with a hole and makes a "singing" sound by which the concubine or prostitute could be found.
Foramen
I. an opening or aperture produced by boring, a hole (rare but class.): neque porta neque ullum foramen erat, qua posset eruptio fieri, outlet, 4: tibia tenuis simplexque foramine pauco, Hor. A. P. 203 ;
Hor. A. P. 20 Quintus Horatius Flaccus, The Art of Poetry: To the Pisos tibia tenuis simplexque foramine pauco,
The flute, (not as now, begirt with brass and emulous of the trumpet, but) slender and of simple form, with few stops, was of service to accompany and assist the chorus, and with its tone was sufficient to fill the rows that were not as yet too crowded, where an audience, easily numbered, as being small and sober, chaste and modest, met together.
But when the victorious Romans began to extend their territories,
and an ampler wall encompassed the city, and their genius was indulged on festivals by drinking wine in the day-time without censure; a greater freedom arose both to the numbers [of poetry], and the measure [of music]. For what taste could an unlettered clown and one just dismissed from labors have, when in company with the polite; the base, with the man of honor?
Thus the musician added new movements and a luxuriance to the ancient art, and strutting backward and forward, drew a length of train over the stage; thus likewise new notes were added to the severity of the lyre, and precipitate eloquence produced an unusual language [in the theater]:
and the sentiments [of the chorus, then] expert in teaching useful things and prescient of futurity, differ hardly from the oracular Delphi.
Ov. M. 4, 122 P. Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses Book 4
And he imbrued the steel, girt at his side,
deep in his bowels; and plucked it from the wound,
a-faint with death. As he fell back to earth,
his spurting blood shot upward in the air;
so, when decay has rift a leaden pipe
a hissing jet of water spurts on high.--
When Paul says "don't get drunk with wine" and follows this immediately with both "singing and melody" in the PLACE of the human heart, the same word is used several time meaning "don't get PIPED down with wine" or "don't get FLUTED down with wine." It also means getting "drunk on arrogance and pride."
The oracle at Delphi is John's MODEL for the having-fallen star, Lucifer, Abaddon or Apollyon. He used women who spoke gibberish while drunk on vapors or other drugs. The PRIEST just made up an answer to the question being asked and the MUSICIAN put it into hexemeter verse and sang it to the SEEKER4. The MUSES worked for Apollo and in Revelation 18:22 the operatives for the Holy Whore are said to be SORCERERS sent to deceive the world.
wow ken, i was never aware that Jesus came to seek, save.....and fool the lost.
Well, here is the clue and remember that Jesus spoke and ACTED parables to keep the MASSES from understanding. --ken
you began your book, above my post here, with a quote from the OT (Old Testament) but if I quote from the OT (say Psalm 150) it's immediately discarded as invalid. Why is that? Also, why do you use words in Hebrew and Greek and translate them, but don't tell us the sentence surrounding that word so that we can take in the full context of what's being said? And one more thing, where did Paul say that the serpant sexually seduced Eve? I just want to know the truth! But maybe I'm asking the wrong person.
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What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
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Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)