I was just wondering? Is it wrong to sing durring the Lords Supper?

I am seeking clarification before I reply to Donnie or Ken...

The congregation where I attend sings while the bread is being passed. Each person breaks a piece and holds it, once everyone is served the prayer is offered and everyone eats the bread --- no singing is being done while the Lord's Supper is being eaten... IS this the situation being addressed by your question, OR are you considering something different???

of Christ in littleton colorado. named the littleton Church of Christ what this tells me is that we have a lot of work to do.
may God bless us in this work through His Son
Jesus the Christ

You are SO far off, not to mention the fact that your message is neither loving nor does it promote unity. Folks that "strain at knats" are going to have to answer to the Lord for the divisions they have caused. You may not want to answer this email, but I hope you will answer and show me where and how the Bible precludes singing during Communion or precludes humming or the singing of solos. Paul, in fact seems to advocate solos.

I have moved my response to the bottom of the page

Observation: Tom used the phrase "strain at knats." There is no such word as "knats." The proper spelling is "gnats." Misspelled words always dampen written arguments and weaken the credibility of such posters.

Dear "Just Wondering"-- "No"

This has me worried. I am unsure as to it being right or wrong, but I know it is very distracting to me. I kjnow we are supposed to put our minds on Christ`s death, burial and resurrection and I find it hard to do with this going on.

Oh come on donnie-
Your response to the original post on this thread is just immature.

You know that everybody in the room BUT YOU, is thinking about Jesus and His sacrifice for us. You're so busy taking notes for your sinful website, you forget to worship.

Why does it bother you that the Lord's Supper is depicted as a meal? Guess what? IT IS A MEAL! Why do you think it's called THE LORD'S SUPPER, instead of THE LORD'S PINCH OF CRACKER AND TINY CUP OF GRAPE JUICE????

If you C of C liberals are, as you claim, are so intent on sticking to the Bible, why doesn't your Lord's Supper come close to resembling the one in the first century? Do you think Jesus and His disciples were sitting around a table with a box of Matzos and a bottle of Welch's with tiny cups?
Remember: CENI donnie, CENI...

You're so bitter about the singing at Madison becoming a little less boring than it was when you were a kid, that you can't see straight. Your anger has become the idol you worship, and I'm scared for you.

Concerned Texan- How does singing songs ABOUT THE CRUCIFIXION distract you from thinking about the crucifixion? Seriously, I don't understand.

Amen, Amen, and a resounding AMEN!!

I stumbled upon this website by accident!
The people in charge of this web-site should be ashamed! Whatever happend to love?
How do you know you are so correct? The Pharasees (SP) thoght they knew all of the answers too.
Being a Christian is not about the do's and mostly dont's most old C O C preach about! It is about the fact that I am saved because God knew I was imperfect and he allowed Christ to die so that He could go to the father for me and ask for God to see past my sinful,ugly self. It is about Him , not a paticular way of interpreting the bible.
I am so thankful that I no longer am a member of "the church" as my Mom calls it, like everyone else that is not COC is a heathen. I am free from all of the bondage that kept me worrying about my salvation. Jesus said nothing can keep me from him, meaning me as a saved one. I now know that works, nothing, can save me but the relization that I can't make it without my Lord!
I am amazed so much time and effort is spent by this website finding fault in other Christians preaching the truth.

This is the most hateful "religious" website I've seen. However, it does no good to tell that to Donnie or the unintelligble Ken Sublett. They think of themselves as the "soldiers of God."

Pathetic.

I really feel very sorry for these poor souls.

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OK, Doug, show and tell us the way. You just might do some good ... who knows? Be SYM-pathetic!!!

This website is an example of why I recently made the difficult decision to leave the church of Christ. If we all have to be so perfect in everything we do, then I'm afraid heaven is going to be a very lonely place. The God of the Bible is a faithful, loving, and merciful God who is MIGHTY TO SAVE. The writers on this site seem to have forgotten that Jesus died on the cross and conquered the grave so that we DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT. HE TOOK OUR PUNISHMENT FOR US AND WE CAN BE ABSOLUTELY SURE OF OUR SALVATION BECAUSE OF HIS SACRIFICE. God is much bigger than all this petty arguing, and there is a lost and dying world out there that needs to hear of the LORD'S (not the church's) saving grace. Our relationship with Jesus Christ is FAR more important than whether or not we are perfect in practice or understanding.

The creators on this site remind me of the Galatian Church that at first accepted the teachings of Paul and reverted back to and included the Jewish customs in their Christian worship.

Salvation is found only through the GRACE of our Lord and Savior, not through not singing during the Lord's Supper.

You should be more concerned with the teachings of Jesus and showing his mercies than with scripture policing other Christians like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus.

Alan What are you saying? Do you want to do away with the Lord's Supper? Just wandering.
The Old Testament did teach me that Man can't get to God on his own, and I can't even come close. I know the only way I (man) can come into the presence of God is as a bride because of my Husband, God's Son. But-
You and Spivy believe you can do anything and everything and it is OK cause Jesus paid the price. Your right, He did, but abusing it like you want to, makes me nervous. I'm nervous that if I live that way I might hear "depart from me I never knew you" or I might think I have enought oil for my lamp, but run out. You know what I mean?

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight

Joe,

I don't even pretend to know what you and the others of this site mean. How can singing praise to our Father ever be wrong? You act more like a disciple of the pharisees than you do of the Teacher.

I sure am glad that Jesus forgives, because this site sure does not.

You are SO far off, not to mention the fact that your message is neither loving nor does it promote unity. Folks that "strain at knats" are going to have to answer to the Lord for the divisions they have caused. You may not want to answer this email, but I hope you will answer and show me where and how the Bible precludes singing during Communion or precludes humming or the singing of solos. Paul, in fact seems to advocate solos

In 1 Corinthians 11:4 Paul speaks of the "uncovered prophesiers." These were called the Mad Women of Corinth.
In verse 11 he begins to speak of "when you SYNAGOGUE" or come together. By direct command of Christ in Spirit there was never a "praise service" in the synagogue. Pretty simple: the synagogue (Paul's term) or ekklesia had no praise service: they were both for hearing and discussing resources from a HIGHER AUTHORITY.

The command was to SPEAK: what disciples do in a school of Christ. Speak radically outlaws rhetoric, poetry or music. No one ever denied that but imposed SINGING as an ACT (that legalism word) in the year 373. That divided the West from the East even until today. Therefore, you have to ASSUME the role of singing while the elders "teach that which has been taught." The PATTERNISM for the synagogue, ekklesia and church for centuries was.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
......hath in every city them
......that preach him,
......being read in the synagogues
......every sabbath day.

The RESTORATION (begun by John Calvin) demand which would allow unity of everyone.

CHURCH: is a School of Christ
Worship: is reading and musing the Word.

Paul defined that pattern to all of the churches.

1Cor. 11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not,
......hat ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
1Cor. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church,
......I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Cor. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you,
......that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

NOW NOTICE WHAT THE POPULAR WRITERS MISSED:

1Cor. 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place,
......this is NOT to eat the LORD'S supper. [belonging to the LORD]

This has proved to historic scholars that the STATED PURPOSE for the assemby (synagogue) was to READ the Word and PREACH or EVANGELIZE with the Lord's Supper remembering the DEATH of Christ.

As simple as the Holy Spirit could guide Paul

They did NOT come together to eat the LORD'S supper but their own. The Agapae as well as GIVING was on the First Day of the Week as the first WORK DAY when the DESTIITUTE went out seeking a day job.

1Cor. 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other HIS OWN SUPPER
......and one is hungry,
......and another is drunken.

One's OWN supper is and was OUTLAWED for the assembly of the church.

IDIOS (g2398) private or separate, when apart, AT HOME, when they were ALONE

1Cor. 11:22 What? have ye not houses [your own house] to eat and to drink in?
......or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not?
......What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.>

A. They did NOT assemble to eat the LORD'S Supper
B. They brought their OWN "major meal" to CHURCH.
......Therefore they DESPISED the house of GOD
C. They ate their MEAL which belonged IN THEIR OWN HOUSES
......Methuo means to be FILLED or STUFFED but if it means DRUNK then
......Paul is REPUDIATING the WINE and not establishing a PATTERNISM
D. in front of STARVING people. Destitute.
E. Paul said THE MEAL does NOT belong to replace the LORD'S supper where HE shared one small cup and one small loaf 12 ways.

THE HUNGRY

G3983 peina pi-nah'-o From the same as G3993 (through the idea of pinching toil; pine); to famish (absolutely or comparatively); figuratively to crave:be an hungered.

G3993 pens pen'-ace From a primary peno (to toil for daily subsistence); starving, that is, indigent:poor. Compare G4434 .

Being a Jew, here is what Paul understood and taught for us:

1 Cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread:

Notice that the PURPOSE of the Bread (not connected with the original Passover)
Remember the feast of unleavened bread which came at the same time?

1 Cor 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat; this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in REMEMBRANCE of me.

HUMAN'S ARE LIMITED: if someone hums, whistles, sings or playes they you give ALL of your brain power to that: whether you know it or not, the brain is trying to keep track of ever tone, overtone, hiss, vocal talent, judging the correctness and EVERYTHING. You CANNOT think of two things at once. The SINGERS know very well that they are sucking up all of the mental air in the church.
Not yet so there is no connection with the Passover. The Passover was for the Jews in connection with their redemption from Egypt when God's RIGHTEOUSNESS would have left them there to self destruct. To escape they had to "quit whining" about "stand still and see God do it" but "Lift up your arm and march into and under the water. They were baptized or hidden from the Egyptians as "sin personified" and AFTER reaching the other side they were guided by THE Holy Spirit of Christ and then FED.

1. 1 Cor 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup,
...... when he had supped, saying,
......This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
......in remembrance of me.

Passover which had been REPLACED by the bread and wine by the Jews after Babylon, but it was observed by Jesus and the disciples with a KILLLED PASSOVER or roasted lamb. To be BIBLICAL there would be no wine.

2. 1 Cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lords death till he come.

......G364 anamnesis an-am'-nay-sis From G363 ; recollection:.. remembrance (again).
......G363 anamimnesko an-am-im-nace'-ko From G303 and G3403 ;
...... to remind; reflexively to recollect: call to mind, (bring to, call to, put in), remember (-brance

Not to remember the Passover of the Jews which they abrogated by rising up to Play in musical idolatry. This is perhaps God's MARK when you hear the whistling, humming, singing or instruments (weapons) during the Lord's Supper intended to PREVENT you from thinking about Jesus and HIS DEATH.

The word SHOW FORTH is not theatron or a SPECTACLE but:

......G2605 kataggello kat-ang-gel'-lo From G2596 and the base of G32 ;
......to proclaim, promulgate:--declare, preach, shew, speak of, teach.

How can you DISCERN THE BODY of Christ and His living Body the church of Chrisit of which HE is the Spirit or Mind or Head and connect yourself to a BODILY rescue which had no connecition to their DISCERNMENT or CONDUCT?

1 Cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily,
......shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

IF YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT HAS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT VALUE, DON''T YOU SAY THAT JESUS IS NOT WORTHY OF "Resting with me for ONE HOUR?"

Anaxios (A), on, also a, on freq. in Att.:I. of persons, unworthy, not deemed or held worthy; anaxion sou too good for thee,

The word RECRUCIFY means to "create anxiety or arouse mental excitement" which music DOES.

1 Cor 11:28 But let a man examine himself,
and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

Examine is Dokimazo. prove for onself, choose, approve, sanction, think fit to do.

What you MUST do is ask yourself: Is this the RIGHT thing do do? Do I REALLY understand the meaning of the DEATH of Jesus Christ.

How can you do that when the agents mouth or mutter or sing or play? Isn't that the ULTIMATE show of contempt? It is a MARK.
The Lord's Supper was being observed improperly when they came together TO BREAK BREAD. This was part of the teaching part and not a common meal.

1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lords body.

......G371 anaxios an-ax-ee'-oce Adverb from G370 ; irreverently: unworthily.
...... G4983 soma so'-mah From G4982 ; the body (as a sound whole),
......used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: bodily, body, slave.

Hebrews 12 calls us back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai:

Whose voice then SHOOK the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE MORE I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:26

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken [a trumpet-like word] may remain. Heb 12:27

Wherefore we RECEIVING a KINGDOM which cannot be moved, let us have GRACE,

whereby we may SERVE God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly fear: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29