This is for the legalistic members of the Churches of Christ. There are people on this site that while they say they are trying to save the church from the change agents, they themselves seem to be doing the work of satan. Satan would love nothing more than to have you judge each other and condemn each other to hell. You do not have the right or the authority to pass judgment on someone for the way they worship God. I realize that I will get posts to this message saying that I am not a true Christian or that I am a change agent. But I ask you to think about this:

1. Where in the Bible does it say that you are to drive your car to church on Sunday and park it in the Church's parking lot? Maybe you should get the mode of transportation the early church used, a donkey.

2. Where does it say in the Bible that we are to meet at 9:30 am in a multi-million dollar building that has electricity and indoor plumbing? Best I can tell, the early church did not have clocks or watches.

3. If I remember right, the scriptures that the early church used were not in English, so you might need to bone up on your Hebrew and get rid of your King James.

If you are going to condemn others for the way they worship you need to look at the way that you worship. The way I read the Bible, biblical teachings were done at the temple, in open fields, or in houses. The way I read the Bible a sin is a sin. If you say instrumental music is a sin because the Bible does not speak towards it, then you too are sinning by meeting in a place that is not biblically approved and by getting there by unapproved means.

My father once told me that you can go to hell for lying just as you can for stealing.

Regardless of the replies I receive, I hope that all will find the peace of our Lord Jesus and have the blessings that our heavenly Father bestowed upon Abraham.

Amen, Amen, and AMEN!!

Alan, you're never going to get a straight answer from these guys. I stopped coming to this website several months ago (out of pure disgust), and when I came back out of curiosity, I found that nothing had changed. They are beating these same old issues like a dead horse.

The proponents of this hate-filled website are a cult of legalism, brainwashed to the point of no return. They're going to try to drown you with long, flowery dissertations that mean nothing. As I have found, they have a standard, ready-made response for every issue you bring up, so it's useless to argue with them... they have an answer for everything. I can only imagine the mean-spirited, cold-blooded messages you've received from these acid-tongued hate mongers.

Theirs is the business of strife and dissension, not of unity, glorifying God, edification, or brotherly love. Those words aren't even in their vocabulary.

Oh Really, what's a Spilldog? Our answers maybe long ,but aleast you know who we are.
Joe McKnight

Joe,

It seems to me that Spilldog hit a little too close to home with his comments if the best you can reply is "What is a Spilldog?"

Maybe the reason he uses an alias is that he thinks that this site will personall attack him in his real life. Seeing as how the site creators are not open to debate and rail against anyone with a different view than theirs, what is the incentive? I would rather hear from a person with a sincere heart and an alias than a person with a divisive message and a real name.

Spilldog: The proponents of this hate-filled website are a cult of legalism, brainwashed to the point of no return.

Legalism is following a law you just made up and trying to impose it on others. The only word close to legalism is the Greek "Nomos" which are laws of those in charge and contrary to unlimited rights. Those who do not want want to follow the laws of the state or the laws of God form a cult where mind control is exercised almost totally to the performing artists such as sorcerers (musicians) and others. It needs no proving that the rhetoricians who just make up their material and the singers and musicians who write "myths" and never true history PREVENT anyone from thinking or giving any attention to God and HIS songs and sermons directly commanded as the ONLY RESOURCE for church which is a school of the Bible.

Alan: Seeing as how the site creators are not open to debate and rail against anyone with a different view than theirs, what is the incentive?

Alan, you toss out a few personal opinions and we give you the Biblical and historical materiel the professionals guarantee that you will never know even if you attend their "worship rituals" for 90 years; there is no driving purpose to teach that which has been taught and "sing" that which is written. Now, here is some good stuff which defines how NOMOS or legalism and ANTI-legalism operates.





No one in recorded history failed to recognize that music tapped into the natural "wave motion" out of which all matter is built and ABUSES those impulses which were given us to protect us from attack. For instance, churchy type music (the falsetto) creates endorphins which cause the impulses to FIGHT, FLIGHT or sexual arousal. This gives you the "attack of a Saber toothed tiger" and almost immediately "heals" your wound so that the corrupters of the Word (selling knowledge at retail) can SELL it as the "spirit person" inside of you. Bungee jumping is not illegal but we don't try to put people on a HIGH when we do "school of the Bible."

Who cares alan? If you really cared what God said you and your bunch of braindeads (get hahaha) would not use one of those filthy curpted version. Now would you? but you do! so who cares?

But I do!

To God be the Glory
joe

Maybe since you are so "learned", you can tell uss all what a curpted version is.

What did I tell you, Alan? The acid-tongues are loose here!

Joe, would Jesus take someone like Alan, who is apparently interested in engaging in meaningful, edifying dialogue in matters of faith, and call them "braindead"?

I pity you, sir... I truly do.

And by the way, I know who I am: I am a child of God.

You're right; Jesus was a much better name caller than I. You can see for yourself by dusting off your bible and start in Matt. 23 Jesus really lays you Pharisees out. So you see, calling you and yours "Brain-dead" is being nice, because it is like giving you excuses for your disobediences. With Jesus there is a not excuse, He looks on your heart and calls it like it is.

If you ain't chicken, ask'Em, He'll show you where your heart is at.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight

It is in the new dictionary long before the word USS

Usses USS was a navy destroyer. What was youses?

My point is proven over and over. Alan is insulted for a typo when he typed "uss" instead of "us," yet nothing is said about the misspelling of "corrupted" ("curpted").

Classic example of straining at gnats and swallowing camels!

Ken,

I am surprised that all you could find wrong with my last statement was my unintentional addition of an extra s in us. It must be a slow day of condemning people if you can spare the time for this analysis. Besides, I did ask for a spell checker to be put on here so that when you rail against harlots and prostitutes, you too can spell correctly.

Show a little more comapssion and a little less attitude and maybe you could actually do something good for the Kingdom.

P.S.

Whoever that last anonymous person was (Ken), you still don't make any sense.

Don't we all have some not-so-serious moments? It happens to be about misspelled [I think I got this word right] words this time. Ken was being "funny."

[Funny! I honestly had thought that Alan's "uss" was intentional, just to be "funny," in his response to someone else's post that included the expression "filthy curpted version."]

I can be funny as well. In Psalm 150 that is used by music lovers in defense of using musical devices in the assembly of the saints, note that even your favorite pets can "praise the Lord."

Read:

Psalms 150:[6] Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD.

See? Your favorite pets "hast breath" and are allowed to "praise the Lord."

I assure you that I have as much "comapssion" as anyone: my wife and kitten and doggie love me.

Ken has about as much compassion as an angry rattlesnake!

Compassion??? Yes!!!

Compassion toward perversion of God's truth? NO!!!

John 2:


[13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
[14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

And speaking of ANGER...?

It's truly interesting how the "regulars" on this site (Ken, Donnie, Joe, and the rest) take such glee in bashing those who don't agree with their views, and when someone calls them into account for it, the standard response is "I was just being funny."

"Funny" or "not-so-serious" moments?? I've seen more humor at funerals!

"Like a madman hurling firebrands is one who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I was only joking.'"

In Revelation Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon and the MUSES in Revelation 18:22 are His MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM: speakers, singers and instrument player John called sorcerers. They are lusted after FRUITS on secret assignment to the Babylon Mother of Harlots. These are SECRET INITIATION ceremonies which you (like Jesus) will refuse to BOW and lament and dance while they PIPE.

It doesn't matter if YOU don't know what is happening while YOU get used and abused and then PAY them for their services. Of those who corrupt the Word of God Peter's words mean "sell learning at retail, huckster it all about." It also defines the adulterer.

Once you have TAKEN the mark of the BEAST which includes a "New style song or dance" you are infected. From this forum, you will grasp; that they CANNOT keep from calling the Biblical text a lie.

Paul said to worship IN THE SPIRIT as opposed to IN THE FLESH because the DOGS (Cynics) would be lurking for whom they may devour: they could be identified by their OLD STYLE PRAISESINGING. Out, dogs
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Kuôn
I. a dog or bitch, Hom., etc.; most commonly of hounds, id=Hom., etc.; the Laconian breed was famous, Soph.;-- nę or ma ton kuna was the favourite oath of Socrates, Plat.: cf. trapezeus.
II. as a word of reproach, to denote shamelessness or audacity in women, rashness, recklessness in men, Hom.
2. at Athens a nickname of the Cynics, They produce the SELF-pleasure outlawed by Paul in Romans 15
III. the Trag. apply the term to the ministers of the gods; the eagle is Dios ptęnos kuôn Aesch.;

the griffins Zęnos akrageis kunes id=Aesch.; the Bacchantes Lussęs [raging like dogs or wolves]

lukos wolf, e. to be struck dumb, lukou ptera, of things that are not, 'pigeon's milk',of vain expectations, , of vain expectation; hôs lukoi arn' agapôsin, of treacherous or unnatural love, lukou bion zęn, i. e. live by rapine, of getting a thing, phrear choreuei, of those engaged in vain pursuits, VI. nickname of paiderastai

Choreuo dance a round or choral dance, esp. of the Dionysiac chorus or dance, take part in the chorus, regarded as a matter of religion, , kechoreutaihęmin (sings the Chorus) our part is played,Ar.Nu.1510 (anap.); tachoreuthentathings represented in mimic dance, Orgia with music

Bacchae (new wineskin worship) I have left the wealthy lands of the Lydians and Phrygians, the sun-parched plains of the Persians, [15] and the Bactrian walls, and have passed over the wintry land of the Medes, and blessed Arabia, and all of Asia which lies along the coast of the salt sea with its beautifully-towered cities full of Hellenes and barbarians mingled together; [20] and I have come to this Hellene city first, having already set those other lands to dance and established my mysteries there, so that I might be a deity manifest among men. In this land of Hellas, I have first excited Thebes to my cry, fitting a fawn-skin to my body and [25] taking a thyrsos in my hand, a weapon of ivy. For my mother's sisters, the ones who least should, claimed that I, Dionysus, was not the child of Zeus, but that Semele had conceived a child from a mortal father and then ascribed the sin of her bed to Zeus, [30] a trick of Kadmos', for which they boasted that Zeus killed her, because she had told a false tale about her marriage. Therefore I have goaded them from the house in frenzy, and they dwell in the mountains, out of their wits; and I have compelled them to wear the outfit of my mysteries. [35] And all the female offspring of Thebes, as many as are women, I have driven maddened from the house, and they, mingled with the daughters of Kadmos, sit on roofless rocks beneath green pines. For this city must learn, even if it is unwilling, [40] that it is not initiated into my Bacchic rites, and that I plead the case of my mother, Semele, in appearing manifest to mortals as a divinity whom she bore to Zeus.

Judas was the "personification" of Dionysus: Psalm 41 says that he will not triumph over Jesus which is the "vocal and instrumental rejoicing OUTLAWED for the synagogue." The Judas Bag is always attached to the spotted flute case and the oaxgoat or thyrus as a weapon and PHALLIC SYMBOL. Jesus caused Satan to come into him by giving him the SOP which is the base of the word PSALLO.



Orgi-a A.secret rites, secret worship, practised by the initiated, rites of the Cabeiri (homosexuals), of Orpheus, of Cybel (Mother of harlots) of Dionysus, of Aphrodite, orgia Mousôn Threskeia as IMPURE RELIGION.

Mousa the Muses, music, song, melody, aoidos (enchantment, sorcery)

Frogs Chorus
Let him be mute and stand aside from our sacred dances
who has no experience of mystical language, or has not cleansed his mind
Who never has seen and never has danced in the rites of the noble Muses
Nor ever has been inducted into the Bacchic mysteries of beef-eating Cratinus [Rom 14]
Or who takes delight in foolish words when doing this is ill-timed,
Whoever does not eliminate hateful factionalism, and is disagreeable to the citizens,
but kindles and fans civil strife, in his thirst for private advantage:
Whoever takes bribes when guiding the state through the midst of a storm
Or betrays our forts or our ships, smuggles contraband from Aegina
As Thorycion did, that wretched collector of taxes
Sending pads and sails and pitch to Epidauros,
Or persuades anyone to send supplies to the enemies' ships,
Or defiles Hecate's shrine, while singing dithyrambs,
Or any politician who bites off the pay of the poets
For being ridiculed in the ancestral rites of Dionysus.
All these I warn, and twice I warn, and thrice I warn again,
stand aside from our mystical dances; but as for you: arouse the song
and the night-long dances, that belong to our festival here.

TAKE THE MARK or they will brand you as a sectarian, patternist, legalistic hypocrite.

The WOLF GOD is Apollo the father of musical harmony, the twanging bow to send singing arrows into your heart or twang his lyre to shoot LOVE ARROWS at you (Psallo word). He if the father of homosexual "worship", the father of thieves and liars. He uses the lyre or harp which works better than the wild FLUTE players to seduce you.

Jesus consigned the MEN acting like CHILDREN to the marketplace or the AGORA: they piped hoping to get Jesus do sing or lament (wail, clang) and dance the Dionysus shuffle.

Lukeios A. of or belonging to a wolf, dora E.l.c., etc.
II. Lukeios (written Lukęos Milet.1(7) No.282 (i B.C.)), epith. of Apollo, either as lukoktonos (q. v.), or as the Lycian god (v. Lukęgenęs, Lukios), or (fr. Lukę) as the god of light [Lucifer, Zoe]: Lukei' Apollon A.Ag.1257 ; \ there is a play upon the doubtful meanings, Lukei' anax, lukeios genou stratôi daďôi, Lycean lord, be a very wolf to the enemy; so tou lukoktonou theou agora Lukeios (this agora being an open place in Argos near the temple of Apollo Lukeios) S.l.c.; cf. Lukeion.

The sorcerers (speakers, singers, instrument players) John called SORCERERS who HAD DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD are OPERATIVES as "lusted after FRUITS" as secret agents of the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Rev 17-18). They are called "wandering stars" or fallen angels. The Locusts which Apollo unleashed a few years ago are defined as the MUSES in Revelation 18: they were known as dirty adulterers who seduced silly men by music.

I UNDERSTAND why the OUTING of their SECRET BRANDING operation makes them hissed off, but that's the job God handed Donnie and I. The concept of the LOCUSTS as musicians is that they lull you to sleep with music and with their SCORPION stingers they INJECT you with the STING OF DEATH. That is why one important MARK of the beast is A new style praise singing" where David's praise means to MAKE YOURSELVE VILE in a sexual sense.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.149.Dionysus.html

There IS no response to the absolute truth: that is always the MARK of the "you don't love" psychological violence. I suppose I MIGHT say that they LOVE people who lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows. That IS the only option I know about.