Jesus does not speciffically utter the words "Do not use musical instruments or you will burn in the fires of Hell."

In fact He did MANY times: The Spirit of Christ informed Isaiah who told you about Lucifer as the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden. Lucifer mounted a MUSICAL attack on Eve which became sexual. He brount wind, string and percussion instruments (tabret=topheth=hell). Jesus also inspired Isaiah who declares that HELL WAS PREPARED for his enemies: the SOUNDS of God beating them INTO HELL would be the same wind, string and percussion instruments. Sure, the musical enemies never read Isaiah.

http:/www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

Revelation 18 defines the musical "fruits" under the Babylon mother of harlots as SORCERERS and sorcerers, liars and dogs will all burn in hell. The Dog word meant the Cynics who sang an old style song to attract male customers: Paul undestanding Jesus insisted that wordhip be in the PLACE of the spirit rather IN THE FLESH otherwise the DOGS would get in.

I have posted the fact that before Jesus was born the Christ of God was the WORD (Dabar) speaking to Moses: when they rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry God turned them over to worship the starry host" which was just like the Egyptian worship they had practiced for over 400 years. That word PLAY means exactly what happens in instrumental churches except the sexual and homosexual arousal is not outward although you will never find a male PLAYER who would sing and play unless "he was drunk, a pervert or just for fun." The MINISTERS of the Mother goddess (Rev 17) were such lusted after FRUITS and John calls the speakers, singers and instrument players SORCERERS.

At the same time He ordained the SABBATH which had always been a rest day for decent people but a WORSHIP day for Babylon. The musical idolatry PROFANED that rest day. The PROFANE word can mean "play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute, prostitute" and how Lucifer was CAST OUT of heaven.

The Holy Convocation which was on each REST day was to read and rehearse the Word of god.



That was the PATTERNISM Nehemiah used when the people stood up to listen to the WORD Read which was the way "Moses was preached." The PATTERNISM of the synagogue was INCLUSIVE and EXCLUSIVE.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read
in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The Alarm or Triumph over in Numbers 10 was vocal or instrumental rejoicing. That was OUTLAWED for the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness.

The spiritual thread of the Israelites never "worshipped" at the temple when the NOISE never called music was played to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Even when the synagogue was more organized after the RETURN and the sacrificial system ceased long before the time of Jesus it "never had a praise service." For those in the know that would have violated a direct command of the Spirit of Chirist for the CHURCH in the wilderness and for all small groups quarantined to their PRECINCTS. A sabbath day's journey was defined by the Rabbi as about 700 feet and the WORK outlawed "sending out ministers."

That is what Jesus endorsed, what Paul commanded and what the church calling itself The Church of Christ practiced until pagan priests imposed SINGING in the year 373 and that split the east and west churches till this day: the Orthodox outside of America under the spell of Hollywood, Dollywood and the grand ole opry still does not use "machines for doing hard work."

You will find no historic scholar before the Christian Church in 1878 which ever tried to AUTHORIZE what they needed no authority to impose and most confessed in order to survive.

THEREFORE, you would need a DIRECT COMMAND from Jesus the Christ of God to BEGIN something He OUTLAWED for the ekklesia or church in the wilderness."

Furthermore, Jesus cast out the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG and consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace where all of the pagan temples sold things, singers performed, speeches were made and they sold the bodies of men and radishes. The meaning of the PSALLO cord was a polluted rope which MARKED anyone who refusedt to go to the EKKLESIA for verbal instructions only: he was fined and not permitted to participate in the reading and discussion.

ABSOLUTELY: the Bible writers use the common pagan practices to REPUDIATE them: all of the key MUSICIANS were involved in leading people into or trying to retrieve people from HAIDES.

Do you think that Jesus would be happier about the fact that the CofC kept music out of our worship assemblies and kept berating believers who do not think like we do, or about the fact that we are spreading his message and winning souls for him through any means necessary.

All of the berating I am aware of is of people who have been USED as front men by the NACC to lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows. The SPIRIT told them that the CURSE of the BURNING THE GOATS for already-lost Israel was GOD COMMANDING INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and YOU HAD BETTERN NOT BE DISOBEDIENT."

When the NACC sected out of the Disciples in 1927 they have mounted periodic UNITY MEETINGS at which they demand that you AFFIRM instruments or CONFORM to instruments. The latest began 25 years ago with Leroy Garrett etal in the lead and later the 11 or so original plotters have sowed massive discord, broken up families, spent fortuns on THEATERS, spend a huge amount of money, took money away from honest evangelists and have only the ORIGINAL PLOTTERS who have added instruments at some times out of maybe 18,000 congregations in the world.

No, we do NOT use any means possible: being all things to all men did NOT prevent Paul from going out of his mind when they wanted to hold a ZEUS SACRIFICE for him: Zeus and Dionysus (new wineskers) were the Abomination of Desolation in the temple with castrated males (a cappella) serving in music and prostitution. No: Paul never did ANYTHING other than SLAVE to work with all people while HE preached the gospel to them: Paul gave an approved example and a direct command for all of those SUCKING UP all of the money and energy: it they will not work neither shall they eat.

Yes, Jesus repudiated Judas, gave him the SOP (the base of PSALLO) which was the MARK for satan to enter into him. That is because Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to triumph over Jesus and THAT is the same vocal and instrumental rejoicing CHRIST OUTLAWED for the church in the wilderness and never rescinded. The Judas Bag was always attached to a flute case and was to hold the mouthpieces of wind instruments." I know what Jesus DID DO and my bet is that you don't know one preacher or Greek "scholar" who does or cares.

HERE IS THE MARK OF THE JUDAS GOAT (PAN is the BEAST in Revelation and one of the marks is A NEW STYLE SINGING)



The Judas bag is mentioned only ONCE in scripture and there are HUNDREDS of Greek vases showing that it is always attached to the spotted flute case. There were always perverted and always "drunk on wine." The OAX GOAD was a PHALLIC SYMBOL of superiority and they rested on it while they puked: did you know that CLAPPING includes VOMITING because it always meant to HISS at the losers--Jesus Christ they THINK now.

To quote the movie Blly Madison,

"At no time did you make any sense. We are all dumber now for having listened to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Maybe if you spoke in concise sentences in a way that people could

A. understand
B. not feel talked down to

your references and opinions would be better received. You continually use this forum to disparage believers who are trying to worship God.

In your attempts to tear people down so that you can build them back up, you seek to personally inflict emotional damage and leave people not wanting to come closer to God. I know that if I was a new believer and had to put up with your rants, I would not wish to be a part of this brotherhood.

Do a quick self check. By listing these long winded rants about everyone that does not believe like you do, are you really furthering the kingdom or are you chipping away at its foundation.

I understand that you feel that your beliefs along with the Church tradition that you grew up with are under attack. What I don't understand is how you can not see that God is hardening your heart, like he did Pharoah. The more you make these attacks on fellow believers, the more you are turning away from your point of view.

Let me ask you a personal question.

On Sunday morning when the offering takes place "separate and apart" from the communion, what do you give? Do you give a tithe that is commanded in the OT. Or do you give like is recorded in the NT. 10% was good enough for God. But in the NT, when Jesus talks about giving, there are three references that are given.

1. Zaccheus - gave 1/2 of what he had plus repaid every one he cheated 4 times the amount.
2. The widow - gave everything she had.
3. The rich young man - Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions, give the proceeds to the poor, and to follow him.

While you are very knowledgeable in the Bible and religous studies, are you posting here to prove that you know more about the Bible than us unlearned sinners? Or is this your attempt to give your all to God and follow Christ.

The Gospels show that when Jesus spoke to or was around the sinners, he was kind and loving with a gentle rebuke. It was only with the Pharisees and Temple scholars that Jesus ever got into an uproar with.

I personally am not judging you for I am far from perfect. Just please make sure that when you address the people coming here for answers or encouragement, that you don't become like Saul and try to persecute us sinners for trying to follow in the footsteps of the Teacher.

Ken, I may well differ with most if not all that you say. But as you continue to post your beliefs, I will continue to pray for you.

Until he returns,
Alan

Welcome to the snake pit, Alan. If you haven't figured it out already, this website is indeed a "whited sepulchre, full of dead men's bones." It pretends to offer "enlightenment" on "false teaching" and "error," but it's nothing more than a pulpit for name-calling, gossip, and axe-grinding.

In this forum, you will find no edification, no spiritual encouragement, and no pure and simple love, mercy, or kindness. Most of what you find here are the pointless ramblings of tired old men who are stuck in some 19th-century mode of thought. They complain "that church is wrong," or "this church is in error," but they offer no advice on how to help these congregations fix their problems, nor do they mention the very least they could do for these brethren: PRAY for them.

I used to check out this site regularly just to entertain myself, but finally stopped. This is the first time I've been back to the site in several months; and I've found that absolutely NOTHING has changed! Same old griping, same old mindless rambling, same old Kenneth Sublett. Mr. Sublett will talk down to you, he will write long, rambling sentences that make no sense, and he will never EVER offer you any edification or information that is worth taking to heart.

So, Alan, if you want to hang out here and be treated like an infidel because you don't agree with Mr. Sublett and his henchmen, sit back and enjoy the ride!

The Levites performed warfare and the tasks covered by IRS including education and the prison system and KILLING any singer or clapper or instrument player who got close to the HOLY THINGS or places.

The people who received FREE FOOD PRODUCING PROPERTY (Only) paid as RENT on the free lands, house, flocks and orchards only 3 out of every 7 years INCREASE or profit on that FREE property: If you were not out of Aaron you don't qualify as a receiver. Isaiah 33 prophesied and Paul in 1 Cor 1 there there would be no TOWERS (podiums) or takers of SHEKELS in the SPIRITUAL kingdom. There can by definition ben any CANAANITES in the house of God: if you have traders of sermons, songs, CD's or bookings then DEFACTO you are not a house of God because the candlestick has been removed.

The Tribe gave the PRIESTLY class 1/10 of the 3/7 food-only as rent on FREE income producing property. For that, they carried out the worship of the starry host slaughtering innocent animals God never commanded but imposed. They were SUPPOSED to teach but NEVER DID.

Under Christ "Jesus paid it ALL" remember, and Christ in Isa 55 outlawed "spending your money on what is not food" and in Isa 58 defined the assembly to outlaw self-pleasure or even "speaking your own words." Since there is no temple or priesthood there is NO ONE authorized to receive the tithe of giving: Jews don't tithe because they are Bible literate. Because it is ILLEGAL to speak your own words (Rom 15 and the other never-musical passages) they you don't NEED to hire people to MAKE UP their own songs and sermons. Corrupting the Word is defined as "selling learning at retail" and also "adultery"

There is only one advised collection in the whole new testament: for the DESTITUTE people starving in a famine. They did not lay by in store IN THE COLLECTION PLATE but "Joe layed by Joe" to save up a bit each week. No one ever passed the plate in the historic church: no staff infection took out 90% before sending the pittance to the poor. Paul said is WAS NOT A LAW. Paul didn't even want to be present when they "made up" their indivisual collections because the pressure would be EXTORTION he says: what do you think of the pleading and begging and scolding and lying about stealing from the poor to give the preacher an increase or build a mega-house as an IDOL to show the power of the Alpha Billy Goat stinking like any thief.

No church in early history passed the plate: the rule was that if anyone PROSPERED during the week they could give to the DESTITUTE but "only if they were willing."

Laying by in store at church is the biggest, fattest lie known to mankind and the CURSE of all of Christianity. No early or late scholar said that "lay by him" meant anything else but "lay by HIM." Now, simple simon could understand that HE should lay by HIM means HE should lay by HIM.

Because church is ekklesia, synagogue or school of the Bible, and the direct command is to PREACH by READING and the elder might let slow Billy Bob read the prescribed BIBLICAL TEXT: as an OVERSEER he looked over Billy Bob's shoulder and made sure he did not INSERT or leave out any words and NO COMMENTS ALLOWED unless something needed translating or further defined.

Jesus commanded ALMS and not a TAX heaverier than the whole IRS added on to feed the face of people who FABRICATE sermons out of old scraps of Scripture and effeminate singing boylings whine out some praise song like he was trying to make love to the Spirit person.

Yes, give to the POOR: there is no authority for INSTITUTES to steal from the DESTITUTE. And that is what makes you angry enough to do damage.

CHURCH: a senior male mature enough to READ the text and with no "musical" content speaks "that which is written" or with one MIND and one MOUTH as the only way to glorify or praise God, comfort with SCRIPTURE and keep the unity. To the synagogue Jesus ordained, Paul explained and the historic church of Christ mantained the Lord's Supper which is also a showing forth or PREACHING visual aid: no magic.

That does not authorize and cannot use a RABBI to tell you what Jesus would have said if He had lived in OUR culture. Because there are no ROLES the only otherthing always taken care of friends of the person was to SEND OUT evangelists: No, Shelly etal are wrong: there are no Located Missionaries or evangelists.

So, if you can DEPROGRAM and understand WHAT IS EKKLESIA OR SYNAGOGUE then all of the other problems will go away. If you are upset because you are on the dole, then like Madoff you should turn yourself in or if possible set up a repayment plan for fleecing poor sheep tnat using music which had only one function: "To make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

The church of Christ was funded and prospered on free will giving long before the budget and "law of giving" was invented along with singing "Fanny Crosby" or other human composition hit the church and blighted it.

Oh wise Ken, if what you say in this post is true:
"Under Christ "Jesus paid it ALL" remember, and Christ in Isa 55 outlawed "spending your money on what is not food" and in Isa 58 defined the assembly to outlaw self-pleasure or even "speaking your own words." Since there is no temple or priesthood there is NO ONE authorized to receive the tithe of giving..."

Explain away Acts 2:44-47
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

I even used the King Jim so as not to offend!

2 Cor 11:1 WOULD to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

Paul speaks of Eve in the sense of a BRIDE espoused but BEGUILED. Now, Eve didn't EAT an apple. Ezekiel 31 says that the Assyrians were the Tallest Trees in the garden of Eden.

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Simplicity is hard to find in the days of performance religion which blinds you to the Words of God:

G572 haplots hap-lot'-ace From G573 ; singleness, that is, (subjectively) sincerity (without dissimulation or self seeking), or (objectively) generosity (copious bestowal):bountifulness, liberal (-ity), simplicity, singleness.

Deceiving usually produces a sexual influence through the performing arts replacing the true Bible Teacher.

Exapataô deceive or beguile, deceive thoroughly, surround yourself with compassion for your swindling tricks, [color=red]seduce a woman, Hdt.2.114

AS A RESULT OF THIS SEDUCTION:

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,

Disciple of Christ: that we should love one another.

Disciple of the Devil:Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous. 1 John 3:12

G3834 panourgia pan-oorg-ee'-ah From G3835 ; adroitness, that is, (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry:(cunning) craftiness, subtilty.

The serpent was a Musical Enchanter or enchantress.

Here is an example of what Paul meant:

Heredotus 2.CXIV. As soon as he received the intelligence, Thonis sent a message to Proteus, who was at Memphis, to this effect: "A stranger is arrived from Greece; he is by race a Teucrian, and has done a wicked deed in the country from which he is come. Having beguiled the wife of the man whose guest he was, he carried her away with him, and much treasure also. Compelled by stress of weather, he has now put in here. Are we to let him depart as he came, or shall we seize what he has brought?" Proteus replied, "Seize the man, be he who he may, that has dealt thus wickedly with his friend, and bring him before me, that I may hear what he will say for himself."

This is what happens when the Viper Race try to STEAL THE BRIDE OF CHRIST!

"They "set their lies to melodies in order to deceive the simple minded" always the LOWEST CLASS in the Classics.

In the Garden, the serpent was the.

H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):serpent.

H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate: X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.

H5173 nachash nakh'-ash From H5172 ; an incantation or augury:enchantment.

1) snake, serpent

2) with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the Jews as the devil.

The Ancient tribes absorbed NAGA worship from Persia and India and Moses is trying to warn a people already fallen under the spell:

http://www.piney.com/naga.html

In the Greek:.G2789 the serpent is



In Fourth Maccabees 18, the Devil works on a sexual, seducing way and in the garden was a Musical Enchanter(ess).

4Macc 18:6 - The mother of seven sons expressed also these principles to her children:

4Macc 18:7 - "I was a pure virgin and did not go outside my father's house;
but I guarded the rib from which woman was made.

4Macc 18:8 - No seducer corrupted me on a desert plain, nor did the destroyer, the deceitful serpent, defile the purity of my virginity.

Jesus and John will call the Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites they were called a RACE OF VIPERS. They would be baptized with a VIOLENT WIND and then OF FIRE as the chaff is burned up as worthless.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

They also called them a CROOKED RACE. The viper or serpent, like much of the whole Bible, points outside of itself to people who would know where to LOOK if they cared. Both the Jews and later Christians woudl be able to look to the "bible" of the pagan religions as assuredly John points to a well known series of "legends" or stories the "preachers" told them. Pointing to the beast from the sea;

Echidna (Greek: "Snake"), monster of Greek mythology, half-woman, half-serpent. Her parents were either the sea deities Phorcy. A child, Ladon (the dragon who protected the Golden Apples of the Hesperides), metaph., of a treacherous wife or friend.

This monster was involved as craftsmen of the sacrificial system: A viper came out of the blaze and "then the venom, like that of some deadly, cruel viper, began to devour him."

Remember that the TECHNE in Revelation 18 is connected to the religious speakers, singers and instrument players John called Sorcerers. The techne includes all of these religious arts and crafts including "theater building and stage managing." Sure: standing in the "holy place" claiming to lead you into the presence of God.

tektonos 3. master in any art, as in gymnastics, Pi.N.5.49; of poets, tektones sophoi (sc. epeôn) Id.P.3.113; tektones eupalamôn humnôn Cratin.70 (ap.Ar.Eq.530); tektones kômôn, i.e. the choreutai, Pi.N. 3.4; t. nôdunias, i.e. a physician, Id.P.3.6; dexias cheros ergon, dikaias tektonos a true workman, A.Ag.1406.

When the viper came out of the fire and bit Paul this is not just an event in history. Maybe we will speak of the CRAFTY HYPOCRITES which is the MARK of the Serpent.

2 Cor 11:1 WOULD to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

Paul speaks of Eve in the sense of a BRIDE espoused but BEGUILED. Now, Eve didn't EAT an apple. Ezekiel 31 says that the Assyrians were the Tallest Trees in the garden of Eden.

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Simplicity is hard to find in the days of performance religion which blinds you to the Words of God:

G572 haplots hap-lot'-ace From G573 ; singleness, that is, (subjectively) sincerity (without dissimulation or self seeking), or (objectively) generosity (copious bestowal):bountifulness, liberal (-ity), simplicity, singleness.

Deceiving usually produces a sexual influence through the performing arts replacing the true Bible Teacher.

Exapataô deceive or beguile, deceive thoroughly, surround yourself with compassion for your swindling tricks, [color=red]seduce a woman, Hdt.2.114

AS A RESULT OF THIS SEDUCTION:

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,

Disciple of Christ: that we should love one another.

Disciple of the Devil:Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous. 1 John 3:12

G3834 panourgia pan-oorg-ee'-ah From G3835 ; adroitness, that is, (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry:(cunning) craftiness, subtilty.

The serpent was a Musical Enchanter or enchantress.

Here is an example of what Paul meant:

Heredotus 2.CXIV. As soon as he received the intelligence, Thonis sent a message to Proteus, who was at Memphis, to this effect: "A stranger is arrived from Greece; he is by race a Teucrian, and has done a wicked deed in the country from which he is come. Having beguiled the wife of the man whose guest he was, he carried her away with him, and much treasure also. Compelled by stress of weather, he has now put in here. Are we to let him depart as he came, or shall we seize what he has brought?" Proteus replied, "Seize the man, be he who he may, that has dealt thus wickedly with his friend, and bring him before me, that I may hear what he will say for himself."

This is what happens when the Viper Race try to STEAL THE BRIDE OF CHRIST!

"They "set their lies to melodies in order to deceive the simple minded" always the LOWEST CLASS in the Classics.

In the Garden, the serpent was the.

H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):serpent.

H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate: X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.

H5173 nachash nakh'-ash From H5172 ; an incantation or augury:enchantment.

1) snake, serpent

2) with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the Jews as the devil.

The Ancient tribes absorbed NAGA worship from Persia and India and Moses is trying to warn a people already fallen under the spell:

http://www.piney.com/naga.html

In the Greek:.G2789 the serpent is



In Fourth Maccabees 18, the Devil works on a sexual, seducing way and in the garden was a Musical Enchanter(ess).

4Macc 18:6 - The mother of seven sons expressed also these principles to her children:

4Macc 18:7 - "I was a pure virgin and did not go outside my father's house;
but I guarded the rib from which woman was made.

4Macc 18:8 - No seducer corrupted me on a desert plain, nor did the destroyer, the deceitful serpent, defile the purity of my virginity.

Jesus and John will call the Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites they were called a RACE OF VIPERS. They would be baptized with a VIOLENT WIND and then OF FIRE as the chaff is burned up as worthless.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

They also called them a CROOKED RACE. The viper or serpent, like much of the whole Bible, points outside of itself to people who would know where to LOOK if they cared. Both the Jews and later Christians woudl be able to look to the "bible" of the pagan religions as assuredly John points to a well known series of "legends" or stories the "preachers" told them. Pointing to the beast from the sea;

Echidna (Greek: "Snake"), monster of Greek mythology, half-woman, half-serpent. Her parents were either the sea deities Phorcy. A child, Ladon (the dragon who protected the Golden Apples of the Hesperides), metaph., of a treacherous wife or friend.

Isn't that AMAZING that Eve ate of the FRUIT in the midst of the TALLEST TREE in Eden as the Assyrians were called.

This monster was involved as craftsmen of the sacrificial system: A viper came out of the blaze and "then the venom, like that of some deadly, cruel viper, began to devour him."

Remember that the TECHNE in Revelation 18 is connected to the religious speakers, singers and instrument players John called Sorcerers. The techne includes all of these religious arts and crafts including "theater building and stage managing." Sure: standing in the "holy place" claiming to lead you into the presence of God.

tektonos 3. master in any art, as in gymnastics, Pi.N.5.49; of poets, tektones sophoi (sc. epeôn) Id.P.3.113; tektones eupalamôn humnôn Cratin.70 (ap.Ar.Eq.530); tektones kômôn, i.e. the choreutai, Pi.N. 3.4; t. nôdunias, i.e. a physician, Id.P.3.6; dexias cheros ergon, dikaias tektonos a true workman, A.Ag.1406.

When the viper came out of the fire and bit Paul this is not just an event in history. Maybe we will speak of the CRAFTY HYPOCRITES which is the MARK of the Serpent.

We are so blessed with your posts, when Jesus, God in the flesh came to earth, he with perfect judgement says numerous times, he did not come to judge. I know somehwere the Bible must say he left you to do it. I just cant find it.

Thank you for your great inslights:

Jn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

......Apisteô to be apistos, and so, II. = apeitheô, to disobey, tini Hdt., attic: --absol. to be disobedient, refuse to comply

Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
......the WORD that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Now, if you LISTEN to the preacher tamper with the Word and corrupt it (sell learning at retail) and singers singing falsetto and singing what THEY write, you have MISSED the only meaning of WORSHIP in the Kingdom of Christ: that is to give heed or all of your attention to the WORD because otherwise you will give attention to the SINGER and will worship him/her/it. You will missed the WORDS where Jesus cast out the musical minstrels like dung.

......G114 atheteo ath-et-eh'-o From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5087 ;
......to set aside, that is, (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate: cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject.

......The Pharisees and doctors of the LAW REJECTED Jesus by rejecting His WORDS.
......Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
......Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected [G114] the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
......He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
......He that believeth Not shall be DAMNED.

......apisteô to be apistos, and so, II. = apeitheô, to disobey, tini Hdt., attic: --absol.
......to be disobedient, refuse to comply

NOW WHY IS YOUR SERMONIZER WHO DOES NOT TEACH THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN OR YOUR MUSICIAN DISABLING YOUR RATIONAL OR SPIRITUAL MIND MORE IMPORTANT AND MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS CHRIST?

Jn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
......he gave me a commandment,
......what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore,
......even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

How CAN you trump Jesus Christ?

Jesus spoke the Spirit Word without MEASURE: the word SPEAK is the opposite of poetry or music. That has already been judged in the garden of Eden where Lucifer was called the singing and harp playing prostitute. The SERPENT speaks of a musical enchanter(ess).

DON'T YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN SPEAK WORDS AND GET THEJOB DONE: JESUS NEVER SANG ANY OF HIS PREACHING. FURTHERMORE, IF PEOPLE USE MUSIC DON'T YOU THINK THEY PROBABLY CANNOT PREACH BY READING.

Jesus passed judgment when He said that the sons of the Devil speak on their own. If I could save you from the LAW of giving don't you think you could find a better use for it: all of the sacrificial systems called the musicians who made NOISE (then and now) PARASITES. That was to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter so that the priest (call heretic) could lift them up to cut their throats. I know it is hard not to fall in love with those who take you captive.

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
......And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
......to preach the gospel to the poor; [Jesus PREACHED by READING[
.........[Not at YOUR church: music is CONFESS to attract the best people]
......he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, [You gonna AROUSE spiritual anxiety Jesus died to remove]
......to preach deliverance to the captives, [You will use music always to BIND people to the Alpha Male]
......and recovering of sight to the blind, [No Scripture will be taught; All scripture will be bruised]
......To set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luke 4:20 And he closed the book,
......and he gave it again to the minister,
......AND SAT DOWN. [Not the ANTII-legalistic, sectarian, patternists]
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luke 4:21 And he began to SAY unto them, [Spirit without METER demands SAY as a SIGN against FATHER Zeus]
......This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. [Will be if he does not read and SIT DOWN]

EVEN THE GENTILE CONVERTS WERE LITERATE BECAUSE OF THE EXCLUSIVE PATTERNISM OF SYNAGOGUE.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath [Archaios h744 original or primeval]
......in every city them that preach him,
......being read in the synagogues
......every sabbath day.

PAUL COMMANDED TIMOTHY HOW TO CONDUCT SYNAGOGUE.

1Tim. 4:13 Till I come,
......give attendance
......to [public] reading, [Verse 3d at your church]
......to exhortation, [Paraklesis the ORDAINED method of COMFORT with Spirit]
......to doctrine.

[Teach is ALL that is commanded, exampled, inferred from Card Class, and universally practiced until preachers and singers were IMPORTED as "common to all pagan cults."]

Now, you MAY be paying TOO MUCH for your tickets to get admission to a rhetoric, singing and instrument show which John called SORCERERS. If I could save you all that you are paying for the FREE water of the Word how can you call me JUDGING?

Those who lie about all of the instrument terms in the Bible and recorded history say that in some way God TOLD them that they should deliberately sow discord by restoring the CURSE of the sacrificial system totally abandoned to paganism BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

If you don't know the meaning of ekklesia / synagogue it is pretty clear that you cannot BE one of those.

If you don't know the difference between being a DISCIPLE of what Christ commanded to be taught, and a ceremonial legalist then you CANNOT now be such a disciple.

You don't get to land on the Moon without knowing what is a NASA ASTRONAUT school. Nor, can you land on the moon by skipping class and attending the local musical.

No one ever suggested a role for MUSIC in the Church of Christ established in the wilderness without not KNOWING what happened, who then used the legalistic, doomed PATTERNISM of the Tribe of Levi.

Unless you have more immunity than the tribe of Levi whom Jacob had warned "do not attend their assemblies" you might consider yourself a spiritually dead man. If you have lied to impose and to drive away the owners the MARK will never burn off.

Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren;
......instruments [apparatus, psaltery, weapon]
......of cruelty are in their habitations. [stabbings, a pot or furnace]
Gen. 49:6 O my soul,
......come not thou into their secret;
......unto their assembly, mine honour,
......be not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man,
......and in their selfwill [delight] they digged down a wall.

The mantra of Promise Keepers who purposed to "come into their assembly" was Tear Down The Walls!

Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
......and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob,
......and scatter them in Israel.

Looking far into the future for the spiritual priesthood.

Gen. 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy fathers children shall bow down before thee.

in Numbers when Korah and 250 of the famous or men of renown decided that they should have a part in the sacrificial system which God had laded on to the Tribe of Levi. As the ultimate way of repudiating famous men who want to be religious leaders Moses tells us their motive.

Num. 16:15 And Moses was very wroth, and said unto the LORD,
......Respect not thou their offering:
......I have not taken one ass from them,
......neither have I hurt one of them.

God's righteousness was to consume them in a moment: they were gathered before the Taberncle andthe went down into a pit and it closed over them. This caused the people to plead for mercy and an offering was made by Aaron to stop the plague. The "budding rod" miracle was to confirm that only Aaron and the Levites were ordained by God.

IN NUMBERS 17

Num. 17:12 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying,
......Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish.
Num. 17:13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the LORD shall die:
......shall we be consumed with dying?

The tribe of Levi had been cursed by their father and WE were warned NOT to attend their assemblies. The Church was set up to QUARANTINE all civillians FROM their slaughter where they USED instruments for the BURNT OFFERINGS which Christ said HAD NOT BEEN COMMANDED.

Not in Jerusalem or the vilest pagan temple could singers or instrument players come NEAR the holy place or thing.

In Numbers 18 God confirmed that the honor the famous people was really being the sin bearers for the nation.

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron,
......Thou and thy sons and thy fathers house with thee
......shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: [a sancturary whether for Jehovah or idols]
......and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
......[Kahan, an old pagan priesthood]

TO WHAT WERE THEY CONDEMNED?

If you miss the point that God turned the Levi tribe over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST, and your preacher says that the Spirit "told him to impose that" God has provided a way of ESCAPE and not authority for the new class of Priests and Levites

H5771 âvôn âvôn aw-vone', aw-vone' From H5753; perversity, that is, (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.



H5753 âvâh aw-vaw' A primitive root; to crook, literally or figuratively:--do amiss, bow down, make crooked, commit iniquity, pervert, (do) perverse (-ly), trouble, X turn, do wickedly, do wrong.



Jesus wants us to be saved FROM this perverse, CROOKED race and not JOIN THEM! The Scribes and Pharisees He identified as hypocrites: speakers, singers and instrument players.

Instrumental "noise" in Jerusalem was always a signal that no citizen must be inside the walls and that the "officials" must worship which means to fall on their face. The noise is not worship and does not contribute to worship: it is a FORCE to FORCE you to the ground.

In the case of Daniel Oil-Rig notes that there are 6 instruments named 6 times as in 666: another account OMITS one of the instruments. How strange. Daniel and his friends REFUSED to "worship" when the instruments were sounded. Isn't that an approved example?

NEBUCHADNEZZAR the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits (60), and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura (circle), in the province of Babylon. Dan 3:1

That at what time ye hear the sound of the (1) cornet, (2) flute, (3) harp, (4) sackbut, (5) psaltery, (6) dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: Dan 3:5

They claim that they can lead you into the presence of God. They claim that if you enthuse over the music then you are WORSHIPING GOD. So strange and so blind and so willingly.

On another thread we are discussing the SACKBUT: like all of these instruments they belong to the FEMALE or EFFEMINATE.

"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers)

"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp..

Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol

Nabel (h5034) naw-bale'; a prim. root; to wilt; gen. to fall away, fail, faint; fig. to be foolish or (mor.) wicked; causat. to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, - ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, * surely, make vile, wither..

Nabal (h5036) naw-bawl'; from 5034; stupid; wicked (espec. impious): - fool (-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), vile person.

PSALLO outlaws plucking with a guitar pick. Psallo specificially OUTLAWS blowing a wind instrument, a piano, organ, drums even a tiny harp unless you use only your fingers.

When the scholars translated from Hebrew to Greek they understood that ALL of the psallo-derived words spoke of making war or making perverted love.

HERE IS ONE OF THE NACC'S PROOFS THAT PSALLO PERMITS PLUCKING. All of those diverting happy churches into using instruments build on the foundation by Tom Burgess who repeats all of the literary resources collected by O.E.Payne in the first attempt to JUSTIFY the use of instruments.

http://www.piney.com/Burgess.Pericles.html

Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,

as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,

but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.

[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:

"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."

That proves, says the musical invaders. PROVES that God wants us to pluck the flute as worship in church.

And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.

Of course, Alexander was trying to seduce his favorite young boy. Didn't he die of some vile disease?

Yes, I know, all of the scholars say God has NOTHING bad to say about us using INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE: in Fact, Rick Atchley was told that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIEND while He (Jesus) is trying to teach that which has been taught.

And all of the ditto head say AMEN!

Question: who are the DEMONS?

Jesus talked about hell being prepared for Satan and his angels didn't he? Of course, angels means messengers. But the fallen angel theory seems to make more sense all around.

In 1 Corinthians 10 and Romans 10 Paul quoted from the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: this was to prove to the Jews that they HAD fallen from grace and therefore were NOT predestinated to be saved. In 1 Corinthians 10 Paul identified this with DEMON worship: demon worship was often conducted under the bull (golden calf) representing the Egyptian and all pagan triads. This worship was always MARKED by vocal and instrumental rejoicing which is what Christ outlawed for The Church of Christ in the Wilderness. That was because the Church was to rest, read and rehears the Word of God: that never changed for several centuries after Christ: "singing" was what Moses heard as idolatry at Mount Sinai and no one imposed singing as an ACT (legalism) until the year 373.

Tertullian also wrote Chapter XXIII.

http://www.piney.com/HsTertTrinity.html

Moreover, if SORCERS call forth ghosts, and even make what seem the souls of the dead to appear;

if they put boys to death, in order to get a response from the oracle; if, with their juggling illusions, they make a pretence of doing various miracles;

if they put dreams into people's minds by the power of the angels and DEMONS whose aid they have invited, by whose influence, too, goats [cappella] and tables are made to divine,-

how much more likely is this power of evil to be zealous in doing with all its might, of its own inclination, and for its own objects, what it does to serve the ends of others! Or if both angels and demons do just what your gods do, where in that case is the pre-eminence of deity, which we must surely think to be above all in might?

The rise of the Musical worship team (thanks to Knowles etal) specificially claims that they can "lead you into the presence of God." [The discussion about whether dead men of the Restoration Movement are the DEMONS: No, I would say that the live MUSICATORS fulfil all of the marks of promoting demon worship ALWAYS identified by the sights and sounds of Lucifer's or Zoes]

Or that when we praise God lands on us like a platform: if you watch what we do and repeat it then you will also worship. The New Wineskins (aka Vinyard) claims that the praise singing can induce a sexual-like climactic experience with God: just before final act of worship calling "giving of substance." All musical terms in the Greek literature parse directly to enchantment or sorcery: Paul warned about the "voice of angels" when he equated a lact of love to Lifeless Instruments also called Carnal Weapons. Jesus also warned about them in Isaiah and Ezekiel by naming speakers, singers and instrument players.

Tertullian also confirms out thesis in Isaiah 30 that Christ is defining the ONLY purpose for which hell was prepared. The way we can SEE and HEAR demon worship. Judah put their TRUST in Egypt and were overcome by the Assyrians all identified as using MUSIC to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Isaiah 30 uses the musical worship of the BULL DEMON Molech in Jerusalem to show FOR WHOM hell has been prepared:

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

Isa 30:32 And is shall happen to him from every side,
......that they from whome their hope of assistance was,
......in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with DRUMS and with HARP.

For thou shalt be required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee also to reign? nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX

The SORCERY / DEMON worship and MUSIC is absolute well documented on clay tablets and the last time in Revelation 18.

Lucifer is called the Singing and Harp playing prostitute who wholly seduced Eve in the Garden: he/she is personified by the king/queen of both Tyre and Babylon:

Isa. 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
......and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee,
......and the MAGGOTS cover thee.
Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [ZOE], son of the morning!
......how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Is. 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
......I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Is. 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Is. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This year ACU used the MOUNTAIN top theme: when they came down they flat SKIPPED over Exodus 32. Now, why would a bunch of scholars bent on imposing the MUSICAL IDOLATRY which cause God to turn them over to worship the starry host just like in Babylon and back in Egypt? Well, you don't need school to be a scholar thse days.

If you have read Acts 7 you will understand Stephen saying that God turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST.

For we readers, #150 is NOT a Psalm but a HALAL which means to make yourself vile by making threats with all of the instruments derived from prostitutes: David made war, not worship.

If God ABANDONED them and sentenced them to return BEYOND BABYLON

......then how is it you are going to snatch bits and pieces of an ABANDONED group
......as a pattern for the church which is a school (only) of the Bible (only).
......It has no staff or roles not directed to teaching THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.

If you have read 2 Samuel you will discover that TIME WAS UP when the elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations. God knew that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations. God claimed that He would not rescue them even if they repented and He did not. The Temple was like all pagan temples. If you read Stephen you will discover that God did not want nor need a Temple: trust Christ in the prophets and not the Scribes (hypocrites meaning speakers, singers and instrument players says Jesus).

http://www.piney.com/First-Samuel-Eight.html

......Then, what is it about kings being selected to carry out the robbing, stealing, starving them
......for lack of the Word and carrying out God's captivity and death sentence that causes people to
......lie to God and about God to impose the WARRIOR LEVITE'S INSTRUMENTS in a church
......which is a school (only) of the Bible (only)?

......The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. Why would your preacher
......think that he is a "king set over you" to appeal (always) to the Levites to aid him in the war?

......If a Levite came NEAR any holy thing or place he would be executed by the "brethren."
......They did their dirty work in the slaughter and burning pit which God did not command.
......The body or church of Christ was prefigured by the Holy Place. Why do you think you
......can use the Levites as authority without getting spiritually executed?

I will explain to you later what Stephen meant by their REJOICING and what is translated as PLAY. ACU using their mountain PATTERNISM just skipped past Exodus 32 which PROVES that God removed GRACE because of MUSICAL IDOLALTRY: they were not playing hopscotch. For now, let me define the word HALAL which is the root word for LUCIFER and has the same meaning as Chalal which defines the idolatry which began after Enosh when men began to PROFANELY call themselves Jehovah. It is translated, play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute or prostitute. You can take your pick. When Peter speaks of SPORTING do you think they were fishing?

I just can't explain why the UNIVERSAL pleading for instrumental music in the SCHOOL OF CHRIST if from a Warrior's praise song. Nor why people think it is a PSALM. And just why it is they want to go naked with David and make themselves vile. The BOOK of psalms contains only 57 true Mizmors.

You will notice that this fits the PATTERNISM of Israel being TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOSTS including LUCIFER (Zoe) who was Venus or the FALSE MORNING STAR.

......Then when you see David sing, dance, go naked and whirl around in a circle why would you NOT
......believe that He was worshiping the starry host? Rather than kill David, God had given him a
......Jebusite High Place already used for Sabazianism.



All of the instruments in Halal 150 (not a psalm) connect to bad people. For instance,

"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers).

"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp. Source

......H5035 nebel nêbel neh'-bel, nay'-bel From H5034 ; a skin bag for liquids
......(from collapsing when empty); hence, a vase (as similar in shape when full);
......also a lyre (as having a body of like form): bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol.

...... H5034 nâbêl naw-bale' A primitive root; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint;
......figuratively to be foolish or (morally) wicked; causatively to despise, disgrace:disgrace,
......dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, -ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly,
......come to nought, X surely, make vile, wither.

The translaters of the Greek version used Psallo because it speaks of MAKING WAR or "shooting love arrows." It has no musical content: it means to PLUCK something. If you pluck a harp string it twangs but it does not make music. All of the PSALLO words demand plucking with the FINGERS but never with a plectrum. That eleminates a guitar pick, trumpet, drum, piano or organ which cannot be PLUCKED with your fingers.

ALL of the prooftext adduced by the Disciples for PSALLO have the context of older males plucking the harp to seduce a young boy.

Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,

......as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,
......but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.

[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:

......"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."

And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.

The musicians in Revelation 18 were the MUSES known as dirty adulterers: they with the speakers and instrument players are called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

In Revelation17 it is the rise (having risen) Babylon mother of harlots who uses "lusted after fruits" as here worship team of sorcerers. Not to worry: most musical and names of instruments are to perform ENCHANTMENT or WITCHCRAFT. These are the same "baskets of summer fruits) Amos warned about.

When the Israelites refused to listen to the Word of God they rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry: as indicated in Romans 1 and lots of other passages the MUSICAL rituals both MARKED and CAUSED an outbreak of sexual perversion.

Because of that God abandoned them to worship the starry host. So, you are dealing with people who would use the CURSE of Sabazianism as their patternism for musical worship. Even though they made NOISE and worship means ot fall on your face.

You could lay out texts from the Serpent as a Musical Enchanter(ess) which Christ in the prophets called "the singing and harp playing prostitute", to the Alpha and Omega warning about the Babylon mother of harlots using lusted after "fruits" as speakers, singers and instrument players John called Sorcerers and they would STILL plead ignorance. I'm Convinced.

Dt 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

The Hebrew for "serpent" in Genesis 3:1 nachash which means to hiss, mutter or whisper as do enchanters. It also means in a secondary sense to divine, or enchant or mesmerize, as a snake often does before catching its prey. It also has the meaning to shine or sparkle, like bronze or copper. Some Scriptures also tell us that Satan has an extremely attractive appearance (see e.g. 2 Cor. 11:3, 14), and this Hebrew word therefore also conveys the meaning to fascinated bewitch. (Cp. Deut. 18:10-14).

Dt 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

As the speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18.

God turning them over to worship the STARRY HOST is THEIR authority and they use the COMMANDS to worship like the Babylonians as THEIR commands for worship BECAUSE God never said "Thou shalt not worship like the Babylonians.

HERE IS AN APPROVED NEGATIVE EXAMPLE

For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. Deut 18:14

Observer of times:

H6049 ânan aw-nan' A primitive root; to cover; used only as denominative from H6051 ,
to cloud over; figuratively to act covertly, that is, practise magic, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times,
soothsayer, sorcerer.

Anath (h6067) an-awth'; from 6030; answer; Anath, an Isr.: - Anath.

Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.
Anath: This Canaanite Goddess' name means 'to answer' and may be related to the Akkadian word ettu meaning 'active will.160' She was a major deity all over the western parts of the Near East, including Egypt where she was later considered to be the same Goddess as Libyan Neith. Titles for her include Belet'net 'virgin Anath,' 'Nethebely161 'the destroyer,' and Yebemet-limm 'widow of the nation(?)'162. Her worship extended from the 2nd millenium BCE deep into the Hellenistic Age, when it began to be forced underground. Like the original Athena, she ruled battle, the hunt, and the passage of souls from one world to the next. She was also a Death Goddess who wore the goatskin aegis -- or at least, the Egyptians attributed Neith's aegis to her. This sacred garment has been described as a cloak, apron, breastplate, or shield. In Anath's case, it shifted in function as religious ceremony changed. Originally it was probably a garment worn by each Libyan woman when she came of age, made of cloth and marked with snakes and Moon symbols, or made of many braids of string.

Later it was remade, parts of its feminine symbolism removed and turned into a garment worn during animal sacrifices. Then it was decorated with severed penises, representing both types of death men experience, loss of erection and the ending of their lives.

Those who have been MUSICATED cannot bring themselves to grasp that as promised the WOMEN and CHILDREN (effeminate) rule over you. I just smile and smile because I have read Isaiah 3 written by Christ.

Lucifer (Zoe) replaced 3 tribal stones on the breastplate with wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for him/her and those they can seduce. The SOUNDS of being driven into hell are the same wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ says that Lucifer/Zoe was the singing and harp playing prostitute in the Garden Eden.

When the Levites (an old Egyptian Cult) were to PROPHESY with instruments: the word means a SOOTHSAYER. Why NOT if God turned the musical patternist's APPROVED EXAMPLE over to worship the STARS? The linen garment of the priests was something like a "nighty" garment. The Ephod was a Babylonian vulva still worn by the Pope under his DAGON hat.



Actually, everywhere you look, it seems, they're dancing in their dresses. So we thus find The Childrens custom of dressing "like a woman," from which the later Christian priests adopted their heavenly skirts. And with the ancient KABIRI statue of a god called Cabeiros,

Plutrarch says they were the astronomers and astrologers of Chaldea around 3200 B.C.
According to Herodotus, they surfaced some 2,000 years after that as an effeminate priesthood in what is now southern Russia and present-day Ukraine. They were called the ENAREE, "endowed by the goddess Venus with the gift of prophecy."

They can also be found transformed into the wild young goat man, PAN [Beast in Revelation], frolicking through the glades. As the GALLI priest [Galatians 5] with (according to another tight-assed academic) their "revolting sensual rites [and] the hermaphroditic element," their drums thundered and cymbals clashed, spreading magic among the onlookers lining the flower-strewn streets.

Heredotus also note what is clear from the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai, the "god" of the Jews was Bacchus or Dionysus: the same "new wineskin God." The Jews at the time of Christ were addicted to Dionysus worship and wanted to "initiate" Jesus and hoped that John wore the "soft clothing." Zeus (father) and Dionysus (son) were worshipped as the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple. All priests were "gay brotherhoods."

REMEMBER: GOD ABANDONED THEM TO WORSHIP THE STARY HOST

David had these on his staff because he was abandoned to worship the starry host.

"We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'AROUSERS,' sang (every morning?) this verse from "Ps 44:23: "Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever." The Talmud tells us that John Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom." (Roland de Vaux, p. 247).

Enchanter:
H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate:-- X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.
H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):--serpent.

Ps 58:5 Which will not hearken to the voice [singing] of cha

HEZEKIAH'S PLAGUE STOPPING ANIMAL SLAUGHTER IN A CHURCH NEAR YOU.

http://www.piney.com/2.Chronicles.29.html

The civillians observing Passover with all of those animals had no instruments: I had noted that

1. During all of the atonement for the king, kingdom, temple and people everyone HELD their noise makers.
2. Then, only for the burnt offering of the GOATS for Israel as an appeasement, all of the NOISE making instruments made noise during the BURNING process. However, Christ in Jeremiah etc says that God had not commanded burnt offerings OR sacrifices.
3. Therefore, this fits the patternism of the changelings who GO BEYOND what is written and IMPOSE instruments in an attempt to APPEASE the musical sectarians. That says in a prophetic type that "We will also sin by IMITATING the fall of Israel or the musicators."

ALL DURING THE BURNING OF THE GOATS: MAKING ONE SOUND (NOTE)

2Chr. 29:28 And all
.....the congregation worshipped, No Spiritual Thread permitted.
..... and the singers sang, [did not worship]
..... and the trumpeters sounded: [did not worship]
..... and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.

WORSHIP INCLUDED ONLY BOWING TO THE GROUND.

Because the Levites had been an old Egyptian cult dedicated to making noise during the burning of infants to Molech, and since Molech was worshipped in the wilderness and in Jerusalem, it is thought that the not-commanded burnt offerings were a way to stop the baby burning. However, as soon as Hezekiah had cleansed the temple of pagan idolatry and died little Manesseh resumed the infant burning. That is why Christ in Idaiah 30 defines HELL as specificially prepared for God's enemies: the MARKS or SOUNDS of God already driving His enemies into hell are the wind, string and percussion instruments. That patternism is repeated of the Babylon mother of harlots using the "lusted after fruits" as speakers singers and instrument players John called sorcerers who will burn along with the DOGS who Paul oulawed as the Cynics singing their old style praise tunes to attract mates for the night.

As in Revelation: you have to HOLD your harps and incense bowls while you BOW.

2Chr. 29:29 And when they had made an end of offering,
..... the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped.

2Chr. 29:30 Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes
.....commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David,
..... and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.

The faithful Presbyterians and most older scholars could read the text whereas our changelings are quite willing to quote the first part of the proof-text (probably never read the whole chapter) and deliberately lie about it. It they were honorable people they would discover that this LAST RESORT reallly DENIES that instruments were used AS worship.

Before his death, David ordered:

1Chr. 23:5 Moreover four thousand were porters;
..... and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith.

Since they made ONE SOUND and shofars were tuned to ONE NOTE I would think that anyone who said that the Spirit told him to IMPOSE that on a non-instrumental church would do the decent Judas Maneuver:

All told, there were "four thousand (who) praised the Lord with the instruments" of music (I Chron. 23: 5), being divided into twenty-four courses, each consisting of one hundred sixty musicians. Most important of all, we note that "when the burnt-offering began, the song to the Lord also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments" (II Chron. 29:27). "All the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpets sounded," we read, "until the burnt-offering was finished" (v. 28).

Then, "when they had made an end of offering" (v. 29) the people bowed to worship, and sang praises to the Lord without musical accompaniment.

Since the Scripture expressly states that the musical instruments sounded "until the burnt-offering was finished"

the congregational praise which followed must have been a capella. [G.I.Williamson, (Notes on The Biblical Doctrine of Worship, Presbyterian Church of N.A.).]

When the others offered the animals and needed the certified Levites to kill them, we find NO GOATS and NO MUSIC during Passover. There was no "music" in any Passover observation. "Christians" hold EASTER sun rise services and INSIST on using music.

They even make musical noise during the Lord's Supper: seems like that is happen at ACU in one of the DIVERTING groups during the Lord's Supper.

2Chr. 29:31 Then Hezekiah answered and said, Now ye have consecrated yourselves unto the LORD,
.....come near and bring sacrifices and thank offerings into the house of the LORD.
.....And the congregation brought in sacrifices and thank offerings;
.....and as many as were of a free heart burnt offerings.

2Chr. 29:32 And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought,
..... was threescore and ten bullocks,
..... an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs:
..... all these were for a burnt offering to the LORD.

2Chr. 29:33 And the consecrated things
..... were six hundred oxen
..... and three thousand sheep.

IS YOUR CONGREGATION SET IN ORDER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST?

2Chr. 29:36 And Hezekiah rejoiced, and all the people,
..... that God had prepared the people: for the thing was done suddenly.

1. NO INSTRUMENTAL NOISE (4000) during the atonement for Judah
2. Instrumental noise including the MILITARY Levites only during burn offering to RECONCILE Israel. This was NOT commanded.
3. No instrumental noise during the following Passover (No Easter musical with gold covered boar's testicals on the Easter Tree.)

Rather than making an occupation out of mocking those who defend the CENI to FEND OFF those who insist on imposing instruments into faithful churches, time would better be spent on reading the Word of God and letting it do the talking.

The Bible would be a good place to begin but to give a lie to those who demean the Church of Christ to make themselves feel competent should stop lying that the Church of Christ invented what they consider the evil practice of NOT adding anything knowing it at will discord based on the text and minimal common decency. For instance:

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians: also called Ignatius Theophoros (Greek: "God Bearer") bishop of Antioch, Syria, born in Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117. Ignatius introduced the practice of alternating sections of the church chanting the Word. Ignatius d. c 110

Sure, no one was such a simple simon that they did not know that the SOLE resource for the ekklesia / synagogue was the WORD OF CHRIST. If one is a disciple of Christ they learn what CHRIST taught including the Prophets and apostles. How silly to think that a disciple of Christ should PAY to become the disciple of Pastor The-0-lite. I never cease to not be amazed that the MASSED MULTITUDES would do that when Jesus invited the few to come OUTSIDE of the massed multitudes to Rest and learn of ME.' Lordy, I would laugh too.

Chapter IX.-Ye Have Given No Heed to False Teachers.

http://www.piney.com/FathIgnatiusEphesians.html

Nevertheless, I have heard of some who have passed on from this to you, having false doctrine, whom ye did not suffer to sow among you, but stopped your ears, that ye might not receive those things which were sown by them, as being stones of the temple of the Father, prepared for the building of God the Father, and drawn up on high by the instrument of Jesus Christ, which is the cross, making use of the Holy Spirit as a rope, while your faith was the means by which you ascended, and your love the way which led up to God.

Ye, therefore, as well as all your fellow-travellers, are God-bearers, temple-bearers, Christ-bearers, bearers of holiness, adorned in all respects with the commandments of Jesus Christ, in whom also I exult that I have been thought worthy, by means of this Epistle, to converse and rejoice with you, because with respect to your Christian life ye love nothing but God only.

Nevertheless, I have heard of some who have passed in among you, holding the wicked doctrine of the strange and evil spirit; to whom ye did not allow entrance to sow their tares, but stopped your ears that ye might not receive that error which was proclaimed by them,

as being persuaded that that spirit which deceives the people does not speak the things of Christ,
......but his own, for he is a lying spirit.
......Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
......He was a murderer from the beginning,
......and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
......for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jn. 8:44

Now, Jesus did not say THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UP THY SONGS AND SERMONS: He just said "for he is a liar and the father of it." Now that sounds pretty LOUD to me.

NOW DON'T WE WONDER WHY PEOPLE GIVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT THAT NEITHER CHRIST NOR HIS SPIRIT HAD A RIGHT TO?

But the Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ,
......and that not from himself, but from the Lord;
......even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received from the Father.

When God pours out His wrath in Hebrew it means that He sends BUFFOONS and JESTERS.

For, says He, "the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's, who sent Me.
......And says He of the Holy Spirit,
......"He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever things He shall hear from Me."

Now, just WHERE do you guys get the authority to speak FROM SILENCE: off your meds again?

And He says of Himself to the Father, "I have," says He, "glorified Thee upon the earth; I have finished the work which, Thou gavest Me; I have manifested Thy name to men."

And of the Holy Ghost, "He shall glorify Me, for He receives of Mine."

Whoa! when the "spirit" tells preachers to lie about all of the instrument passages and recorded history, do you IMAGINE that they might be listening to their OWN spirit or an EVIL SPIRIT: a LYING SPIRIT. John lumps sorcerers (musicians, rhetoricians) with liars and DOGS for the BURN PILE: He did NOT say "thou shalt NOT be a sorcerer.?

But the spirit of deceit preaches himself, [oh, gag, yes]
......and speaks his own things, for he seeks to please himself.
......He glorifies himself, for he is full of arrogance.
......He is lying, fraudulent, soothing, flattering, treacherous, rhapsodical, trifling,
......inharmonious, verbose, sordid, and timorous.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU WHEN THE LYING, FRAUDULENT, SOOTHING, TRIFLING UNLAWFULLY WAGED GET YOUR CLAPPY--SINGING ENDORSEMENT.

From his power Jesus Christ will deliver you, who has founded you upon the rock, as being chosen stones, well fitted for the divine edifice of the Father, and who are raised up on high by Christ, who was crucified for you, making use of the Holy Spirit as a rope, and being borne up by faith, while exalted by love from earth to heaven, walking in company with those that are undefiled.

For, says [the Scripture], "Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord." Now the way is unerring, namely, Jesus Christ. For, says He, "I am the way and the life." And this way leads to the Father.

For "no man," says He, "cometh to the Father but by Me." Blessed, then, are ye who are God-bearers, spirit-bearers, temple-bearers, bearers of holiness, adorned in all respects with the commandments of Jesus Christ, being "a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people," on whose account I rejoice exceedingly, and have had the privilege, by this Epistle, of conversing with "the saints which are at Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus." I rejoice, therefore, over you, that ye do not give heed to vanity, and love nothing according to the flesh, but according to God.

Now: your turn. Find us a Scripture or a scholar who says YOU CAN JUST MAKE UP your own songs and sermons and music. SHOULD be easy.

Galatians 5:16
"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature."

We often miss the PUNCH LINE.
Paul, and history agrees, that Paul never speaks of "spirit" as a person much less a third member of the Godhead. In Romans 7-8 Paul's conflict was between HIS spirit and HIS flesh. That conflict continues as we speak.

Gal. 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

NOW JUMP BACK AND UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE RE-CRUCIFY CHRIST WHEN THEY INTRODUCE RITUALS TO "CREATE SPIRITUAL ANXIETY THROUGH RELIGIOUS RITUALS." THAT IS THE LADED BURDEN JESUS DIED TO REMOVE.

Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Apokopto (g609) ap-ok-op'-to; from 575 and 2875; to amputate; reflex. (by irony) to mutilate (the privy parts): - cut off. Comp. 2699.

Gregory Nazianzen

Nor are we concerned with Phrygian mutilations and flutes and Corybantes, and all the ravings of men concerning Rhea [Zoe], consecrating people to the mother of the gods, and being initiated into such ceremonies as befit the mother of such gods as these. Nor have we any carrying away of the Maiden, nor wandering of Demeter, nor her intimacy with Celei and Triptolemi and Dragons; nor her doings and sufferings ... for I am ashamed to bring into daylight that ceremony of the night, and to make a sacred mystery of obscenity. Eleusis knows these things, and so do those who are eyewitnesses of what is there guarded by silence, and well worthy of it. Nor is our commemoration one of Dionysus, and the thigh that travailed with an incomplete birth, as before a head had travailed with another; nor of the hermaphrodite god, nor a chorus of the drunken and enervated host; nor of the folly of the Thebans which honours him; nor the thunderbolt of Semele which they adore. Nor is it the harlot mysteries of Aphrodite, who, as they themselves admit, was basely born and basely honoured; nor have we here Phalli and Ithyphalli, shameful both in form and action; nor Taurian massacres of strangers; nor blood of Laconian youths shed upon the altars, as they scourged themselves with the whips; and in this case alone use their courage badly, who honour a goddess, and her a virgin. For these same people both honour effeminacy, and worship boldness.

NOTES: 11 There was a temple of Rhea in Phrygia, in which at her festivals people mutilated themselves to do her honour. The flutes alluded to served to turn the thoughts of the sufferes from the pain of the operation.

The Corybantes were the ministers of the goddess, who led the wild orgies of her worship. It is believed that there is an allusion to this practice of self-mutilation in Galat. v. 12. So at least S. Jerome, S. Ambrose, and all the Greek Fathers take the passage. S. Thomas Aquinas, understanding the word in the same sense, applies it mystically; and Estius, who here follows Erasmus, refers the "cutting off" merely to excommunication, a sense which he calls "Apostolico sensu dignior,"through why "dignior" it is not easy to see. Yet he acknowledges that those who interpret it literally do so "non immerito."
Here is what an agitator does to recrucify Christ

Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.) to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down, make an uproar, to stir up, excite, unsettle to excite tumults and seditions in the state to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error

Psallo psallô I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: psallere saltare elegantius, Horace Odes 4:13.7. Jucundus, Voluptuosus

Elegant Elego I. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away

Have you noticed that when they resurrected the PSALLO word they KNEW that they would sow discord and DRIVE AWAY the family? This is to RECRUCIFY CHRIST.

PSALLO IS ALWAYS USED OF WARRIORS, PAGANS OR PERVERTS:

Against Catiline [23] In these bands are all the gamblers, all the adulterers, all the unclean and shameless citizens. These boys, so witty and delicate, have learnt not only to love and to be loved, not only to sing and to dance, but also to brandish daggers and to administer poisons; and unless they are driven out, unless they die, even should Catiline die, I warn you that the school of Catiline would exist in the republic.

Horace Odes 4.13
The gods have heard, the gods have heard my prayer;
Yes, Lyce! you are growing old, and still
You struggle to look fair;
You drink, and dance, and trill
Your songs to youthful Love, in accents weak
With wine, and age, and passion. Youthful Love!
He dwells in Chia's cheek,
And hears her harp-strings move.

HERE IS THE PRACTICE AND THE PEOPLE DEFINED AS AGITATORS:

Melpô, Sing or celebrate a song and dance Melos 2.music to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, Mouso-polos, on, A.serving the Muses, poetic II. Subst., bard, minstrel, AS THE: Aoidos A.singer, minstrel, bard, 3.enchanter, Eunouchos Eunouchos A.castrated person, eunuch, employed to take charge of the women Gallos, ho, A. priest of Cybele, Used with: Pempô, 2. pompên p. conduct, or take part in, a procession, chorous move in dancing procession, phallos Dionusôi pempomenos carried in procession in his honour

Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:

Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."

Ver. 12.

"I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."
"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will,

let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.

Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this,

why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?

For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;
and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure.

DID GOD COMMAND INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC AS WORSHIP IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus warned that doctors of the law have the purpose driven goal to "take away the key to knowledge." That is why they deliberately ignore God's use of religious music as the MARK of Satan from Genesis to Revelation. No historic scholar was so ignorant that they would claim what the THOUGHT LEADERS who have infiltrated churches of Christ to DIVERT them claim as scholarly.

1. It is safe to say that all of the "conservative" preachers in the Church of Christ believe and teach that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC as worship under the OLD LAW.
2. But, because we live under a NEW LAW and instruments are not commanded as part of that Law.
3. We do not use instruments because it is simply NOT COMMANDED

* It is also safe to say that most preachers, the theological scholars at once-Christian colleges and even the Greek and Hebrew scholars believe and teach
* That even with the long list of the ACTS including the use of singing with instrumental music in the temple was not wrong within itself (since it was, they believe, commanded by God).
* However, God just condemned their bad mental attitude.

One could reasonably ask whether these people supported by non-instrumental groups do not INTEND to givbe aid and comfort to the instrumental discorders.

Are people who think that Amos condemned the FACT of singing and instruments in the temple just ignorant fools?

Part One 13 Steps to understand the the use of Instruments

http://www.piney.com/Tanicala.13Steps.Instruments.html

Part Two: Insisting that God COMMANDED the use of instrumental Music under the Law

http://www.piney.com/Tanicala.Commands.Instruments.html

Part Three: Question on Amos 5:23

http://www.piney.com/Eusebio.Tanicala.Amos.5.html

By Eusebio Tanicala
To my brethren and especially members of the PBC alumni association, please open your Bible to Amos 5:23.
Please open your eyes and your mind.
What is the first part of v. 23? It says,
Take away from Me the noise of your songs.
If v. 23 prohibits the use of stringed instruments,
should not singing also be prohibited.

Both Amos and the Classics repudiate singing AND playing an instrument at the same time: that would be for the women and effeminate in most societies.

But why do you sing in your worship time? Why do you sing in your birthday celebrations? Why do you sing during funeral services? Why apply prohibition on the second part of the verse but not in the first part of the verse.

Indeed, those who know the context of Amos and consistency as well as simple logic would only laugh at Churches of Christ preachers who use Amos 5:6 in arguing against the use of instruments of music.

I plead with fellow preachers and church leaders to STOP using Amos 5 and Amos 6
as proofs against the use of instruments of music in worship.
Using them as proofs against instrument of music in worship
would only reveal ignorance and would help perpetuate wresting of scriptures.
Further, a foolish and weak argument against a practice removes the sting of ones advocacy. ( Eusebio Tanicala, Ph.D.)

How then should we interpret Amos 5:21-25 and Amos 6:4-6? Are the items enumerated prohibited? How do we interpret You sing idle songs to the sound of the harp, and you fancy yourselves to be great musicians, as King David was? (NLB)

Second, we should be consistent. Look at the context. If the portion, I will not hear the melody of thy viols (5:23). were a prohibition on the use of instruments of music at the time of Amos, then to be contextually consistent, all others in the context disliked by Yahweh, like feast days, solemn assemblies, burnt offerings, meat offerings, peace offerings, drinking with the use of bowls, eating fatted cows, lying on soft beds, ..

AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE THAT MAKES ALL RECORDED COMMENTATORS IGNORANT FOOLS.

......"we recognize the same elements: the sacrifices and libation, the cultic feast in which the congregation gets a share of food and drink after it has been blessed by the king, and the merry-making, now in the form of instrumental and vocal music. But the central act of the ritual, which was performed by the king, is called literally 'drinking' the god (Gurney, O. R. Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 33-34, Oxford University Press, 1977)

......"Sacrifices, rituals, festivals honoring Yahweh abounded, but these rites were tangible evidence of lack of knowledge, for they expressed the popular belief that Yahweh could be pleased and pacified by cultic ceremonies.

......"The condemnation of cultic rites introduced in 4:4 f. and 5:4 f. is picked up again with new vehemence. It has been argued that Amos was not opposed to cultic ritual per se but condemned the mind set of the people by which responsibility to Yahweh was performed perfunctorily and without relationship to daily life and society.

"If we take Amos' words as they stand, there seems to be little doubt that he condemned the entire religious pattern--feasts, sacrifices, ritual music, offerings, tithes--everything. Gerald LaRue, History of the O.T

......NO command of God was ever so ascribed to man. The use of the instruments of music in the Old Testament were of man, not of God." (Tract on music, Lipscomb).

......"Doubtless they sounded harmoniously in their own ears; but it reached no further. Their melody, like much Church-music, was for itself, and ended in itself. 'Let Christian chanters learn hence, not to set the whole devotion of Psalmody in a good voice, subtelty of modulation and rapid intonation, quavering like birds, to tickle the ears of the curious, take them off to themselves and away from prayer, lest they hear from God." (Barnes, Albert, Amos, p. 300)

"Surely these inspired statements are sufficient to show that David made, invented, and commanded the use of instruments of music in divine worship. Where does revelation explain that God made, invented, appointed, or commanded the use of instrumental music in ordained worship of that age? On the basis of plain declarations, the contention that David introduced the idea is founded; in the absence of such testimony that God is the author, we reject the opinion that God authorized the practice." (L.O. Sanderson, p. 350).

......"From the beginning, then, it was not so. Neither is it a part of or aid to Christian worship. Since there is no record of God ordaining the practice, he must have simply tolerated or indulged it, just as he did regarding some ignorance, kings, divorces, and polygamy" (Sanderson, p. 351).

"It was by the hand or commandment of the Lord and his prophets that the Levites should praise the Lord; for so the Hebrew text may be understood:

"and it was by the order of David that so many instruments of music should be introduced into the Divine service." (Adam Clark, Commentary on 2 Chron. 29:25).

Then Clark says:

......"But were it evident, which it is not, either from this (2 Chron. 29:25) or any other place in the sacred writings, that instruments of music were prescribed by Divine authority under the law, could this be adduced with any semblance of reason that they ought to be used in Christian Worship? No..." (Adam Clark, Commentary, Vol. II, PP. 690-691).

"I believe that David was not authorized by the Lord to introduce that multitude of musical instruments into the divine worship of which we read; and I am satisfied that his conduct in this respect is most solemnly reprehended by this prophet; and I further believe that the use of such instruments of music in the Christian church is without the sanction and against the will of God; that they are subversive of the spirit of true devotion...if there was a woe to them who invented instruments of music, as did David under the law, is there no woe...to those who introduce them?" (Adam Clark, Commenting on Amos 6:5).

......"It is foreign also to the piety of Clement that the (song) instituted for drinking companies, to be sung in the convivial feasts of the Gentiles... As if he [Clement] did not know that Psalms, not 'wine songs,'... were recited at the close of the Supper... I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement).

......"...Scriptures do condemn the use that David made of the instruments in worship--Amos 6:5: 'Woe to them... that chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;' and Amos 5:23: 'Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.' The condemnation of the instruments of music in this passage turns on the phrase like David--it does not say like David's, which could refer only to the instruments, but like David is the use that David made of the instruments. David did not invent the musical instrument--Jubal invented the instruments (Gen. 4:21)--but David invented them for worship--they were David's innovation." (Wallace, p. 177).

......"Amos, we are told, is the sharpest critic of musical instruments in pre-Christian times. through him God expresses a preference for justice and honesty over bloody sacrifice and its attendant music of song and instruments. This sentiment, we are told, was revolutionary, making part of a similar change felt over the civilized world... And overall view of the evidence, McKinnon thinks, reveals a relationship between the three elements: a higher conception of God, a rejection of sacrifice, and a rejection of musical instruments." (Green, William M, Pepperdine College, in Restoration Quarterly, v. 19, 1966).

......"To hear a man's or woman's voice sing Handel's solo... beats through one's chest with some sort of a throb depending on how well he or she is singing, and how much you respond to this kind of music. But no matter how much you may 'enjoy' Handel's solo, the words are not meant to be entertainment." (Schaeffer, Edith, Christianity is Jewish, p. 1)

...... "Amos stressed "that violations of the moral law could not be remedied by means of festive rites, offerings, or liturgical indulgence on the part of the sinner. In point of fact, God was already standing beside the altar (Am. 9:1ff), poised and ready to shatter it. No ritual, however, elaborate and symbolic in nature, could possibly substitute for the sincere worship of the human spirit, grounded in high moral and ethical principles." (Harrison, p. 895).

...... "Not surprisingly, most Israelites declined the prophet's invitation to enter into a dialog with Yahweh. They preferred a less demanding religion of cultic observance either in the Jerusalem Temple or in the old fertility cults of Canaan. This continues to be the case: the religion of compassion is followed only by a minority; most religious people are content with decorous worship in synagogue, church, temple and mosque. The ancient Canaanite religions were still flourishing in Israel... the Israelites were still taking part in fertility rites and sacred sex there, as we see in the oracles of the prophet Hosea, Amos' contemporary." (Armstrong, Karen, A History of God, p. 47).

F. B. Bruce is one of the best known modern writer and one might expect that he would defend the denominational practice. However, he like most who rest on their scholarship tell the truth. He wrote--

......"The Holy Spirit, uttering His voice by Amos, pronounces the rich to be wretched on account of their luxury: 'Those that drink strained wine, and recline on an ivory couch,' he says; and what else similar he adds by way of reproach. Especial regard is to be paid to decency (as the myth represents Athene, whoever she was, out of regard to it,

......giving up the pleasure of the flute because of the unseemliness of the sight). (Clement of Alexandria, p. 245).

"...these same people were punctilious in their religious observances. Never did such abundant sacrifices smoke to Yahweh from the altars at Dan and Bethel and other sanctuaries in Israel; and the note of praise rose regularly and loudly from tongue and harp. Was not this the worship in which Yahweh delighted? So they thought, but the voice of Yahweh through His prophet told a different story." (F.F. Bruce, Israel, p. 58).

Bruce shows, along with the LXX, that (1) music was used as worship, (2) they thought that God would delight in it, but (3) God condemned it. This refutes those who deny that Amos said anything about music and it supports the clear statement and context of the book of Amos.

Most ancient scholars not only condemn music as worship but show that it had its origin in pagan superstition and was the product of the poets (songs as magical incantations)--

......"It was only permitted to the Jews as sacrifice was, for the heaviness and grossness of their souls. God condescended to their weakness, because they were lately drawn off from idols; but now, instead of organs, we may use our own bodies to praise him withal." (Chrysostom on Psa. 149, Vol. iii, p. 634).

"I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5, 5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement)

"It is foreign also to the piety of Clement that the (song) instituted for drinking companies, to be sung in the convivial feasts of the Gentiles... As if he [Clement] did not know that Psalms, not 'wine songs,'... were recited at the close of the Supper... I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement).

"This passage (Amos 5:23-24) shows us that Amos was opposed

......to the forms in which people acted out their worship of God,
...... and other passages strengthen this impression.

......Turning back to the Mosaic period, Amos asks the rhetorical question: 'Did you bring to me sacrifices and offerings the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?" (5:25). He is merciless in his attack on the shrines, especially the royal shrine of Jeroboam II at Bethel (3:14; 7:7-9, 10-17; 9:1). It is very doubtful, however, that he intended a wholesale abolition of the system of worship. Rather, Amos was probably demanding that the cult be purified, for it had become so contaminated by pagan thought and practice that the people had become indifferent to the true worship of Yahweh and the demand of his torah... He demanded that everything be swept away that did not conform to the proper worship of Yahweh." (Anderson, Bernard, Understanding OT, p. 277).

...... "The prophets were singularly unimpressed by all this religious busyness. They asserted that the people had abandoned the true God for heathen idolatries and that their much-frequented sanctuaries were sinks of iniquity. Recent archaeological discoveries go a long way towards confirming their condemnation of popular religion. It is significant, for example, that on the ostraca from eighth-century Samaria, the proportion of names compounded with Baal suggests that no less than a third of the population practiced some form of Canaanite religion." (Heaton, E. W., Everyday Life in the Old Testament, Scribners), p. 231).

......You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god -- which you made for yourselves. -- Amos 5:26

...... Yea, ye took the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Raephan,
the image of them which ye made for yourselves." Amos 5:26 LXX

......"The neighboring gods of Phoenicia, Canaan, Moab--Baal, Melkart, Astarte, Chemosh, Moloch, etc--were particularly attractive to Jerusalem, while the old Sem calf-worship seriously affected the state religion of the Northern Kingdom...the worship of the sun, moon, stars and signs of the Zodiac became so intensely fascinating that these were introduced even into the temple itself (2 Ki. 17:16; 21:3-7; 23:4, 12; Jer. 19:13; Ezek. 8:16; Amos 5:26)" (Int Std Bible Ency., Idolatry, p. 1448).