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Grace and Faith

July 15 2009 at 5:46 PM
 
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Is grace effective only upon complete faithfulness in doctrine and practice? If so, why? If not, why not?

I am leading to a point, but I start here.

Thank you.

 
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Grace

July 16 2009, 10:42 AM 

Many of the words such as Grace, Faith, Charity, Word etc were considered as gods or goddesses in the Greek world. Grace or the Graces were three goddesses. Grace or Charis would include any favor including in an erotic sense granting favors to another man. The Bible goes out of its way to REdefine words in spiritual terms. The Greek Father was Zeus and the son could be Hermes (mercury) or other son and there are various names for the mother of the triads. Eve is Zoe. If Jesus claimed to be the Son then Thomas demanded to see the father. However, in John 12-14 Jesus as the Christ of God made it clar that He was the ONE God's embodiment of Father, Son and Spirit.

So, we may make grace into a kind of magical "worshipful" word and to be Grace centered is often couched in terms which admit that "we are violating the Word but grace is going to cover it up." However, grace never means unlimited forgiveness for unlimited sins. Seemingly as Christ as personified grace:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
.....denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
.....we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope,
.....and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us,
.....that he might redeem us from all iniquity, [remission of sins]
.....and purify unto himself a peculiar people, [gift of A holy spirit]
.....zealous of good works.

Doesn't that say the same thing as Romans 6?

Rom. 6:15 What then? shall we sin,
.....because we are not under the law, [The Law]
.....but under grace? God forbid. [The Faith as taught]
Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
.....his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
.....whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom. 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
.....but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
.....Rom. 6:18 Being then made free from sin,
..... ye became the servants of righteousness.

A form is a "pattern capable of being imitated." By obeying that form we are free of sin. It would be hard to find a better example of Grace making the impossible quite easy.Better than dying on the cross for our own sins and still without effect.

The Law was added because of transgression but could not make one have a holy spirit or a good conscience.

THE FAITH or GRACE meaning that which Christ as personified Grace is THE GOSPEL which means that sinners can gain Divine favor and be free from the guilt of sin which stands between the sinner and understanding the written word of the Living Word.

 
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