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Jesus defines hypocrites consistent with the Greek language

July 29 2010 at 3:19 PM
 
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Fred Whaley

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Re: Jesus defines hypocrites consistent with the Greek language

January 28 2011, 10:54 AM 

This is towards the top of your best pieces yet Ken - especially since it was straight from the Scriptures without any additional sources. Fred appreciates the scholarly articles. Keep up the fine work.

Fred Whaley

 
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Ken, please email me.

March 2 2011, 7:18 AM 

Ken,

I recieved your PM through the GCCF but they won't let me respond to you. I fear the instrumentalists are about to ban me after one post against their false doctrine.

Tod

 
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March 3 2011, 5:23 PM 

Tod I have e-mailed you. Not even the Church of Christ is very friendly to anyone who supports that which defines the church of Christ. Some of the few who have added alternative instrumental services know that they are distinctive and have removed Christ from their identifier.

Sorry about the "lates" I have been nursing a bad let for a spell.

Ken

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24.112.204.177

Yep.

March 9 2011, 3:31 PM 

Ken,

I think things are far worse than people are willing to admit. Beside the headlong rush to instrumentalism in Churches of Christ there are several other serious departures that mark the so-called church these days. The clergy system, devotion to commandments of men by staunch traditionalists, perversion of the Supper by just about every faction, false teaching relative to 1 Cor. 16:1-4, false teaching about baptism, Calvinism, and unscriptural elderships are problems that lead the way in the apostasy which has gripped a once noble movement.

Because of all of the insurmountable problems with Churches of Christ my family and some others have left and started assembling apart from the false beliefs and practices. I must say, it is refreshing to just do what the early church did free from the bondage of traditionalism and liberalism.

Tod

 
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199.27.128.82

True!

March 10 2011, 4:07 PM 

Their forum seems unavailable: maybe they are down or are going all Twitter.

Like some at concerned members you can just quote Scripture in context over and over and they cannot or pretend not to have ever heard. I believe Paun in 2 Corinthians 3 that the Israelites were blinded at Mount Sinai when they refused to hear the voice of God and could not read or hear the Word until they converted to Christ.

The other problem called "spiritual formation" is the belief that you can meditate on one word in a passage and "a" spirit will speak to you. Maybe so, but it will not be a holy spirit.

All of this is facilitated by the laying by in story or increasingly tithing and it is true: give them pearls and they will turn and rend you. Without a dominant pastor you will be free to read, discuss and test your beliefs as disciple without having to make it binding on everyone else.

It's like Paul and the silversmiths: they will hurt you if you question their corrupting the Word which translates "selling learning at retail." That may be the reason--giving them the benefit of understanding--that they refuse to define words within the context in which they were written.

Jump in on the other threads of this forum: the moderator is not limp wristed and will not toss you out for having different opinions. I knew they would get you when you told them that I had warned them about the effeminate persona of "praise singers."

Many are called but few are chosen: chosen as if by fire son never get tangled in an institute: Jesus won't be there and it will fall.


    
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I think my forum days are over.

March 14 2011, 7:17 AM 

Ken,

As much as I would like to, I have no intentions of continuing to discuss things on forums. I have done this for many years and the results have been far too dismal for the massive amounts of time it takes. People in Churches of Christ are no different than other denominations. they are not open to the truth and don't seem to know it if it hits them in the face. You saw my posts on the GCCF regarding their errors and the ones I posted about the errors on the Preacher's Files site. I know of only 6 people that even though about changing their minds when presented with facts they had never been told before. That speaks volumes about the honesty of readers.

Tod

 
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Norton still has pinged you twice.

March 14 2011, 12:28 PM 

Forums are good places to hone your thoughts when people are brave enough to argue from the Word.

It is clear that this is an ANTI-church of Christ site: I think maybe scary larry is not a member of the church but he is the one who censors and censures and doesn't like people to quote Scripture in context. I'm not sure but your statement that they despise and reject me especially when I tell them that this is a STRAIGHT versus GAY battle in religion from the garden of Eden onward and perhaps in the spiritual realm. Their style of singing teams and instruments is absolutely the MARK which causes the godly to flee even when they don't fully comprehend the persona which makes them gag and flee.

I have posted my study with links to resources on the Word-Centered versus the Music-Centered which is mostly data with little commentary. GRACE is another marking term which marks the permissive-musical-effeminate race from the WORD, rational or spiritual generation. That's why Jesus in the personified WORD of God the Father and not the personified Muses or Graces of the Mother goddess worship. They chatter out of their own brains and I think this is a locked-in-place sentenced or even role to try to "flood away" the Church and the child. I am surprised that it has not dug deeper into churches of Christ: it has with the "music" thing but not with real instruments. Don't expect to find much faith when Jesus returns.

http://www.piney.com/Logos.Mythos.Word.Versus.Music.html

STRABO INTRODUCTION TO THE SYMPOSIUM: Paul's don't get drunk or fluted down with wine but get filled (methuo) with Spirit or the Word of Christ.

"Aristodemus meeting Socrates smartly attired expresses his surprise at so unusual a circumstance. Socrates explains that being invited to dine with Agathon he feels bound to go in finery to the fine; and he presses Aristodemus, although uninvited, to accompany him. On the road Socrates, immersed in thought, lags behind, and Aristodemus arrives at Agathon's alone. Not till they are half-way through the meal does Socrates appear; and Agathon rallies him on his devotion to sophia.

The proposal of Pausanias to restrict the potations, (don't get drunk on wine)
....in view of yesterday's banquet,
....and that of Eryximachus to dismiss the flute-girl
....and amuse themselves by logoi, are unanimously agreed to.
....(speak that which is written)
Then Eryximachus propounds an idea of Phaedrus, that Eros is the best possible theme for encomia, and suggests that each of the party in turn, commencing with Phaedrus, should now deliver an encomium on Eros. This suggestion is applauded by Socrates.


Logos, verbal noun of lego
.... Opposite kata pathos
.... Opposite human reasoning
....Opposite Epagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
.... Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell


I am always pretty sure that people who launch an ANTI-church of Christ thread are preachers who don't have a clue about the meaning of the Church as a Word-of-Christ assembly where the task (which most deny) is to TEACH and ADMONISH with that which is written. That's why it will get harder and harder to find a church which isn't a "tribal" unit with some alpha billy goat having taken people captive.

You can't go wrong if you continue to be a Word-centered group and resist the temptation to turn it into a musical or sermonizing performance by the few for the many. There probably are only a tiny few who changed when Gutenberg made reading available: these are the same people who cannot grasp that the computer has given anyone access to that which no university or preacher's school has when they manufacture people with only speaking or gender-neutral pastors to entertain the goats and let the sheep starve (Amos 8; Isaiah 5).



    
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I don't have GCCF in my "favorites" anymore.

March 15 2011, 11:08 AM 

Ken,

I haven't been back to the GCCF hen party since I saw the response of the self-proclaimed wizard of smart (I still laugh at that)and the clueless johnb. They can ping me all they want. I have much better things to do than (as Beck says) "argue with idiots."

A long time ago my dad said, "people are going to do what they want to do." Those people want and like the emasculated form of religion that they build up in their minds and no matters of fact or mountains of truth will move them from their desires and the final end of that path. Since they are bent on Satan's final destination, there is nothing for me to do but get out of the way and let them hasten to it. When Paul realized a group was a lost cause he moved on and didn't waste time on the self-righteous wicked.

Tod

 
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