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April 4 2006 at 8:41 PM
bighoss  (no login)
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Response to Re: Still waiting for Messiah? Too bad, too sad.

ken.....i read this post every now and then to humor myself with the banter. i never read your entire posts because you just ramble. i would like to read them but i'm not (and dont think many others do either) sit there and read the "mini-books" you post for a response. not a knock at you (well not entirely), just giving you some pos. critisism to shorten your like 95%! at any rate. i go to 4th, proud of it, dont agree with everything there but who agrees with everything all the time at their home congregations? i happen to be partial to a cappella, but do not feel it to be a salvation issue. that is the point here that i feel you should be aware of. 4th is the most prayerful church i have ever seen....EVER! there is real grace and worship there. any way....let me ask you to please respond, short answer please, to alexander campbells ACTUAL quote of:

"if a church has no real devotion or spirituality in them, music might be a pre-requisite to devotion. but to all spiritually minded christians such aids would be as a cowbell in a concert"

now, obviously campbell is saying he does not prefer it, but that it's alright. this is NOT a salvation issue ken. it is preference. why does God speak of harps in heaven if he has such a big problem with it?

ken, you use this site to attack those who worship in a different manner than you. see that i use the word attack. have you ever read some of the responses you have posted to others on this site? the hate and sarcasm you type towards other christians outrageous. while you work yourself up into a frenzy behind your computer screen to verbally "rebuke" and out-greek & out-scripture others, you more often than not are typing a hateful tone towards others. your arrogance is not christ like ken. now im sure you will edit this/spin this to your liking, because ive been told that you do. you wouldnt be a man if you did that now would you ken? i cant help but envision what you are like and i cant get away from an image of a miserable old pharisee of a man with no happiness in your life. ken, i will pray for you tonight for God to soften your angry heart. really.....i will! i think you actually mean well here.....but you are so misguided. there are salvation issues and then there are non-salvation issues. this is a non-salvation issue.

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Ken SublettApr 5, 2006, 9:45 PM
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bighossApr 7, 2006, 7:34 AM
   Don't blame me: God beat me to it!
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Ken SublettApr 8, 2006, 4:12 PM
    WOW........Ken you "suspended" me from this site but have graciously allowed me back in!
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bighossJul 27, 2006, 11:58 PM
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BrentDec 30, 2006, 6:50 PM
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