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the future of 4th avenue

April 23 2006 at 2:36 PM
Brent 
from IP address 68.211.228.121


Response to Dishonest leadership

Don't know about instruments at 4th avenue in their future but their "worship leader" did talk them into buying him an expensive recording studio. And many are now wondering why it's taking so long to get that pulpit filled. I mean this is a church that split just a few years ago. Well that worship leader apparently feels with his talent and a "star" preacher they can be the next "big thing." Just ask Jeff Walling how many times they've called him this year about that job and he keeps turning them down. What they forget is the average joe in the pew doesn't know "celebrity preacher names" like folks writing to this site. They forget that whether it's Max Lucado Rubel Shelly or even Jeff Walling or Rick Atchison or Mike Cope each guy came to their congregation as basically a "unknown" in the brotherhood and built a relationship and credibility thru 15 -25 years of loyal service. 4th has passed on many good people because of a view of wanting a quick fix with a big gun to lead them into a whole new building and school on property they've already been looking into for a year. Few preachers of any credibility want to (1 want into a place where the first goal is to raise of boatload of money for a new building or (2 risk having to pretty much answer to a song leader. Joe Beam was the preacher but it ended up being the Ken Young Show each week and he does hog that pulpit with his praise team. And the elders are still trying to deliver a noteable name because Ken is promising the next Saddleback right there in Tenn if they do...This sounds like dramatic rumor talk right? Came to me from a guy caught up in the new preacher search.SO HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FILL THE JOB at 4th ave? They're aren't even close now because the "celebrity names " they keep going to say "no thanks." Joe Beam make it perfectly clear he was taking that job on an "interim basis" so they've had a spell to be planning on this challenge. Just be glad the same fellows who run that church aren't running a big corporation. If they were they'd be the next Ford or General Motors. There ARE solid members there. And about 300 new ones who came about the time Brother Shelly announced he was leaving Woodmont Hills. Maybe the solid members can have a heart to heart talk with the two guys trying to run the whole thing. And if you're a member..you DO know what i mean.

 
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