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Seek to please GOD not man.

May 21 2006 at 4:14 AM
Cliff King  (no login)
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Many years ago a lady asked me a question and it took me three days to answer.
The question she asked was "When was instrumental music introduced into the worship?"
Well, when I found the answer I was totally bowled over. A Byzantine Emperor named Constans II
Made a gift of the early pipe organ in 666AD. Well, when I saw this many years ago I at first
Studied to find out more, but I lost heart and kept it to myself, not wanting to offend anyone.

Well,that was in the 80's sometime. I feel away, not to point of missing services or teaching
some strange doctrine, but I fell away from my first love. It has taken me many years to get to point
of addressing My Heavenly Father and knowing that He is listening to me again.

I was raised in the Pentecostal Church with all the trappings, I know what music can do for you,
nothing but separate you from God.

Remember Lev. 10:1-3, they changed the worship and GOD sent them their reward from Heaven in the form
of Fire. We are the censer and our prayers are the alms offered to GOD, do we really want to change it or should we seek to Please our Father or man.

We need to let people know that it is a possibility that caring more for the pagan ritual instrument
than we do pleasing GOD is MARKING US.

As a member of the Lord's Body for 31 years and to have fallen away to the point that I thought that ther was no hpe for me, and being able to come back in such a WAY AS TO BE ABLE TO STAND FOR TRUTH AGAIN, well, brethren, I don't want to go to hell because of my foolish pride, or my not being willing to follow the example that the early church set for us.

I suggest that anyone that wants instruments in their worship take the time to dig through the history books and see for yourself.

I have enough information for a booklet now and I am working on it.

I was looking for a blog that I read last night about the instument when I saw this blog.
What made me start looking for it again was a statement that I read, "It's time to lay the AXE
to the NON-INSTRUMENTAL BRANCH".........what a statement!! I hope this fellow reads my blog.

Ead your BIBLE EVERY DAY. Study to show yourself approved, a workman that rightly divides the WORD OF GOD!!

When Vitalian II introduced it first in 666-670, it caused quite an uproar, and one statement that I read on a Catholic site, New Advent, said "the earlier church was of much too a spirual fibre to
allow instruments into the worship." IF THE BLIND LEADS THE BLIND, BOTH SHALL FALL INTO THE PIT.

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