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  • Have to disagree with disagree

    • Posted Dec 27, 2002 8:25 PM

      I would begin with Walter Scott with whom most theologians would agree when he said: "First, the Holy Spirit is God Himself, second, the holy spirit is A holy spirit, OUR spirit made holy by God. 1 Peter 3:21 and many other passages show that A holy spirit is a CLEAR CONSCIENCE or clear consciousness which means a Co-Perception.

      Second, I would back up to Jesus who corrected ONLY His disciples by teaching that the eating and drinking was figurative. In Matt 13 Jesus said that parables were to HIDE the truth from the unbelievers.

      Next, He defined the true FOOD and DRINK but did not use figurative language.

      ----"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are life. John 6:63

      Other than the fact that God is Holy or PURE Spirit (contains nothing but Spirit) both the Hebrew and Greek word for "spirit" do not speak of a PERSON but:

      Hebrew: "by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (include. its expression and functions)"

      Greek: "the rational soul, vital principle, mental disposition."

      The WORDS of the "son" which are the words of the "father" are OUR ONLY expressions of God's Being which is rational. The Words of Christ are the expressions of the mental disposition. In fact, 1 Cor 2 draws an identity between the Holy Spirit and the "Mind of Christ" as far as we are concerned. "Holy" is not the first name of a member of the "god clan" whose name is Holy Spirit.

      Ephesians 5 uses the expression "FILLED with the spirit." Colossians uses the expression "let the Word of Christ DWELL in you."

      Romans 15 is really another TEACHING (not singing) passage and uses the expression "that which is written." You can only GLORIFY a Spirit God with the Words of THE SPIRIT GOD. We simply do not have the mental machinery to do otherwis (Contra all of the charismatics among us)

      Therefore, the "spirit" Jesus wanted us FILLED with because as "son" He spoke only what He heard from the Spirit "Father" was the WORD of Christ which HE claims to be SPIRIT in the immediate sense. Jesus Christ (full Deity) is still the Holy Spirit.

      For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Jn. 12:49

      And I know that his commandment is LIFE everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I SPEAK. Jn 12:50

      If what Jesus spoke and inspired is LIFE then we must trust Him when He said that His WORDS are Spirit AND life.

      Now, you and most of us have been taught that:

      ---------"The Word is the instrument of the spirit and not the Spirit himself."----------

      If this is true and the SPIRIT must SWING the instrument then this is a direct operation of the Holy Spirit. But neither Paul nor most history recognizes the Spirit as one of the modern "Lucado - Shelly God family."

      Look again and see that (you) is understood:

      And (you) take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Eph 6: 17

      Look at a similar command:

      Above all, taking the shield OF faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Eph 6: 16

      I believe that we must see this as the shield WHICH IS faith. Otherwise, we have to look for something called the SHIELD which FAITH uses as defensive armor.

      Therefore, the sword WHICH IS the Spirit is the Word of God. This is true because it is the only meaning which does not contradict the statement of Jesus that HIS WORDS are Spirit and Life.

      You are correct: the Word IS NOT a one/third member of the God Family. But, then, this neo-Trinitarianism is claimed by John Mark Hicks to be the output primarily of Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly.

      Not really because H. Leo Boles and the Gospel Advocate began that TRITHISM in the 40s. Hicks also warns that they may deny that Christ came FULLY in the flesh or that full Deity dwelled in Jesus (Jehovah- Saves). He did not spell out the consequence of such a teaching articulated by John.

      http://www.piney.com/HSHicksLucadoShelly.html

      I have collected many parallel statements here;

      http://www.piney.com/HsWordParall.html

      I invite you to read some of this collection to see that the SPIRIT prophesied to rest on Jesus was not "a little man" but the spirit of Spiritual knowledge: the Spirit OF Truth. Then, mail me if you have any questions or challenges. Historical theologians (pre us) almost universally agree with this as did most of the Restoration Movement.

      Kenneth Sublett
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