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    • Posted Dec 30, 2002 12:34 PM

      Yes, I explained and you weren't listening. The subject was equating the Word of Christ and the Spirit. The word "holy" is not used here and even when it is, it is not a first name. Holy is an adjective. I don't believe that Ephesians 6:17 voids the clear parallel of Paul. Jesus began the "context" by saying:

      ----"It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, They ARE SPIRIT, and they are LIFE. John 6:63

      It is with this knowledge that Paul who, guided by the "Lord" Who said that He was Jesus of Nazareth, defined the WORD as the offensive and defensive WEAPON of the Spirit which Jesus said was HIS word which He gave to US to use so that we don't confuse our hallucinating with direct guidance.

      ----"And [YOU] take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which IS the WORD of God: Eph 6:17

      The sword of the Spirit IS the Word of God but only because Jesus put SPIRIT AND LIFE into HIS words which came directly from the SPIRIT realm. However, if you want to FIGHT OFF the banditos claiming to be speaking or singing or clapping because the HOLY SPIRIT PERSON is jiving around in their body, YOU have to beat them into subjection by YOUR taking the WORD OF GOD. The "Holy Spirit Person" separated from FULL DEITY which resides in Jesus Christ does not swing the sword any more than He preaches the gospel to the lost while our guys take the pay but don't GO OUT.

      Scholars are well aware that Paul NEVER speaks of the Holy Spirit as a separated "person." A "person" is a "people." The same Paul in Hebrews defined the SWORD as a parable word:

      -------"For the WORD of God is quick, and powerful, and SHARPER THAN any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and SPIRIT, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12

      So, is the Word a literal SWORD which the Spirit "person" swings or is it SHARPER than a literal sword? Remember that Peter warned you about Paul, and Jesus warned you about Jesus who DOES NOT speak to the masses and never SINGS to anyone except as His Word is preached.

      The written WORD is from the MOUTH of the LIVING WORD Who IS the Holy Spirit or FULL DEITY. If you accept that the HOLY SPIRIT was a junior member of the Shelly "god family" not active until the BIBLE CHRIST left the universe then you deny that CHRIST (God) dwelled fully in the Flesh of Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of Anti-Christ.

      The WORD of God does to the human spirit what a LITERAL sword does to the carnal body. When God gives us of His Holy Spirit He is not left without a "spirit" anymore than speaking His WORDS deprives Him of His Mind, Spirit or Mental disposition.

      The WORD which Jesus said (I believe Him) was SPIRIT and LIFE is a "devouring flame, crushing hammer, life-giving force, saving power, defensive weapon, probing instrument." The "Spirit" is always defined in terms of Divine Knowledge which only the Spirit can deliver and cause to be recorded.

      These are all PARABLES and Jesus warned the disciples in Matthew 13 that He ALWAYS spoke to the MASSES in parables to HIDE the truth from those who cannot take His explicit word for fact. If you flock into MASSED churches I think you miss the "one or two gathered" in the name of Jesus rather than in the name of the performers and you just miss Jesus Who can only be found in your own spirit and "outside the camp.'

      Peter warned that Paul used the same kind of speech and making the Godhead into a FAMILY or TRIBE with the "Holy Spirit" person the replacement for the Old Testament "god" and the Son as the New Testament "god" violates all of church history. The present stirrers of the heresy are Rubel Shelly and Max Lucado and a band of merry men on the 'wild frontier' where apparently Abilene is still a lawless promoter of stroking the carnal senses and PEDDLING it as KNOWING the Holy Spirit Person intimately.

      As the Spirit of Christ always spoke the Words of God (1 Peter 1:11) from the foundation of the world, He is still the ONLY Teacher but only when we can say: "Thus saith the Word of God." That was Paul's wish that we all "prophesy" or teach "that which has been taught."

      We have the authority of Lord Jesus Christ--the ONLY Teacher and Comforter--that the Son's Words are the Father's Words and ARE the Spirit where "spirit" means God Himself OR "the mental disposition" of God: the Mind of Christ (1 Cor. 2)

      In the "singing" (but really TEACHING) passages Paul equates "that which is written" (Rom 15), The "Spirit" with which we must be FILLED up before we can OVERFLOW (Eph 5) or "the WORD of Christ" (Col 3:16).

      Here is what the world outside of Charismaniaville believe including a majority of churches of Christ which continue the teaching of John Calvin and all of history's major theologians who NEVER see the Godhead as "three separated god family members."

      -----"Since being filled with the Spirit and letting the Word of Christ dwell within both produce the same results, a spirit-filled Christian is one in whom the Word of Christ dwells.

      ----"A Spirit-filled Christian is a Christ-conscious Christian. A Spirit-filled Christian is consumed with learning everything he or she can about Jesus and obeying everything that Jesus said. That is what it means to 'let the word of Christ richly dwell within you.'
      -----"To be filled with the Spirit is to be totally and richly involved in all there is to know about Jesus Christ." (MacArthur, John, Charismatic Chaos, p. 259, Zondervan).

      That is what Jesus said and that is what Paul said and I believe it and so does MOST of the 2,000 year history before Shelly and probably your preacher decided that the CORE GOSPEL has shed all of the EPISTLES which were "filtered through human philosophy and the personal agenda of the New Testament writers." I don't believe that you will find Christ the SPIRIT and FULL DEITY in any of the Mega-churches spewing out of once- Christian colleges.

      Examine your own church and see if you can detect a very powerful EFFORT to keep Christ the Spirit from speaking in song, sermon or classes: "Versifying, sermonizing and classifying" the Holy Spirit Word.

      Ken Sublett


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