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  • John O. York

    • Posted Dec 22, 2003 11:48 AM

      The grumble at lipscombunderground is that being from OTTER CREEK trumps seniority and experience in assigning student leadership roles. John O. Yorks site at:

      http://johnyork.faithsite.com/

      Reveals the PATTERNISM of many churches of Christ which have the inside track to LIPSCOMB. Steve Flatt was, after all, a founding father of the Jubilee and became one of the members of the latter CORPORATION. Just because they bounce some false teachers who are TOO HOT TO HANDLE does not mean that they will not USE others who are more likely to attract than repel those who claim to still be "faithful." ACU still features Max Lucado.

      First, John touts the JESUS PROPOSAL which is from a series of sermons by--Who? Why, by John O. York used by Rubel Shelly, which is TRAFFICKING in the sermons preached for pay--with or without a dispensation from the elders.

      John York: "How do I make sense of Jesus going back and forth, back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem in John's account

      ...when he NEVER goes to Jerusalem in Matthew, Mark, and Luke until the very end of his ministry?

      ...But that's NOT the WITNESS, the testimony John wants me to confirm.

      What I am called to affirm with the witness

      ..of MY OWN LIFE is that AUTHENTICATING Spirit-presence

      ...that REVEALS ITSELF when I keep heaven's commandments here on earth, live the from-above life in my down-below setting.

      Rubel Shelly John York The Jesus Proposal: The Jesus Project:

      Here is what God wants churches passionate about:

      (1) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, (2) that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

      "Rubel Shelly John York The Jesus Proposal: Paul even uses a JEWISH LEGEND about the water actually following the people around in the desert

      ..to say that Christ himself was present with those people just like he is with the Corinthians. They were hemmed in on all sides by God and God-activity.

      However B.S. (before shelly), Scripture continued to say:

      .."And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1Co.10:4

      There is a lot more Otter Creek, Lipscomb, Woodmont Heresy here:

      http://www.piney.com/RsJesusProposalI.html

      There are three parts but they are all Post-Biblical, Post-modern and Post-Christendom. Everyone should grasp that you cannot MERGE WITH THE WORLD by becomming a UNIVERSITY without betraying your OLD, pre-theft owners. But, how many applauded as they saw the PREACHER FACTORIES being dragged into the woods by the very WOLVES wearing still-wet SHEEP'S SKINS?

      Ken Sublett.
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