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  • Christ WHO IS?
    • Kenneth Sublett (no login)
      Posted Apr 15, 2004 6:41 PM

      I'd be ashamed too if I couldn't or wouldn't define the meaning of a CHRISTIAN.

      A Christian is a CHRISTian or a follower of Christ: I know of no churches which have not lost their candlestick just as prophecy promises. Paul said that you have to go OUTSIDE THE CAMP or CITY or the presence of the TEMPLE to find Jesus Christ.

      One of the MARKS of a cast off church is the lust for MUSIC where Musicaspeaks of "magic"or the word "exegesis"where pseudo prophets violate Peter's law against private interpretation which is further expounding that which God in Christ has expounded and left for our reading or learning. All of these "offices" which stand between God and the believer to replace Jesus Christ intend to shut down the flow of information which defines the seven spirits which rested on Jesus (Isa 11:1-4).

      Another lust is to cast off CHRIST from a groups identifier or WITNESS to the community. "Community" speaks of commune and Family in the Greek culture spoke of a DOMINANT FATHER who had the power of life and death over the "family" just like modern cults. The use of ekklesia or a form of synagogue in the Greek language speaks of CALLED MEETINGS. When the meeting disbands, the "gathering" or synagoguing of the individual CEASES just like a weekly drafting class DOES NOT attempt to control your life as a cult or COMMUNITY.

      Some may believe that THE CHURCH OF GOD is the title of ownership. What they miss is the latter-day, 20the century among churches of Christ who UNIQUELY identify God as a Family of Gods: three persons (people). The Father, Son and Spirit have a name: Jesus Christ as Peter applied the "baptismal formula."

      If you can listen and learn we will show why you should understand that GOD is derived from GAD the hostile tribe and the "god of fortunes." The name of GOD has always been a form of Jesus or Joshua or Jehovah-Saves. God came as His Christ and while the term CHURCH OF GOD is frequently the testimony is that it is IN CHRIST because that is God's Name for us.

      What you call "church" is undoubtedly a system of witchcraft as some of the "preachers" are promoting to "get the feeling." Jesus Christ founded a synagoge and invited the twos and threes to COME LEARN OF ME. Learning and not witchcraft ritual is what a DISCIPLE is supposed to do. Before that can happen a believer must be baptized as a request for God to give them A holy spirit or A good conscience, consiousness or a co-perception of the Word. If you lack that hunger and thirst you have not requested discipleship from God in Christ.

      http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=150389&messageid=1077396184&lp=1082062435

      If you don't believe the charge of WITCHCRAFT you should read some Lynn Anderson or Rubel Shelly who has added AFFLICTION by preaching that individuals SHOULD NOT read and interpret the Bible outside the COMMUNE. Sure, people who project CHARISMA should read the Greek meaning to see that it means more than projecting FEAR just as the MUSICA and CANTUS words project sorcery or fear to open your mouth. Don't ever tell me that this is not a local dogma. Part of the Grace Centered group is very specific by defining WITCHCRAFT as the "RULE for the Emerging Church of Christ."

      http://www.piney.com/FPRSpectacle.html


      Ken
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