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  • Comfort Zones?

    • Posted Apr 28, 2005 9:46 PM

      God never gave elders the authority to move the LAMBS out of their comfort zones. God through Paul told them to "teach that which has been taught" and to refute those who teach error. People who deliberately MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONES intend to teach ERROR. They learned it from Machiavelli (and quote him), Hitler and Hegel. They INSIST that you have to induce SCHIZOPHRENIA to make people uncomfortable with the OLD BIBLE because whe have VISIONS and NEW GLASSES and are WORKING OUT NEW SCRIPTURES IN PARTNERSHIP WITH GOD. I suspect the PREACHER trained to be a Prophet, Chaneller and Facilitator to manipulate the churches into heresy is the MOVER. The elders are being MANIPULATED by a person undoubtedly TRAINED to make you AFRAID to defend what you believed when YOU purchased the building and hired the HIRELING whose new SHEEPSKIN is stlll dripping blood. The elders are being cowardly.

      They CANNOT be shepherds and be followers of Lynn Anderson etal with their DISCIPLING DILEMA or SHEPHERDING. Jesus died to give us REST from the clergy who laded burdens on people like pack animals. Jesus, Paul and T. Campbell preach that no church leaders have any right to impose burdens on people in order to create spiritual anxiety. The REST of God is a dedicated word in the Greek meaning almost exclusively:

      Stop the performance preaching

      Stop the singing as in charismatic
      (sexual or homosexual) which is the PLEASURING not patterned by Jesus and OUTLAWED by Paul in Romans 15.

      Stop the music: Just stop it all, sit down, shut up and quit giving a VENUE for sexual and homosexual musical rituals. Click to see the pleasuring, excitement, singing and HERESY connection where Satan is lifting you up TO CUT YOUR THROAT or to use you for His/Her own purposes. "All singers and musicians were the HAREM of the gods."

      http://www.piney.com/Heresy.Music.html

      The ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN is a damnable lie told by ignorant, self-seeking illiterates:

      "Alfred Martin introduces this section of Scripture with extremely accurate insight when he says,
        "This paragraph has been widely misunderstood and misapplied,
        as though Paul were endorsing partaking of other men's sins in order to make a good impression on them."
      "It is a fact that many leaders of today's megachurch growth movement and many leaders of parachurch evangelistic organizations use this portion of Scripture to support their philosophy that
        "One must become like the unsaved in order to reach the unsaved for Christ."
      "However, Martin emphasizes that instead of embracing this attitude, "Paul was saying that he had tried to work with people on their own level and to give as little offense as possible in order to procure a hearing for the Gospel." Paul certainly did not become a law unto himself, nor did he pretend to act or live like the unsaved in an effort to evangelize them. The issue here concerns the amount of offense inflicted upon those who know not Christ.


      See how Rubel Shelly and the other COMMUNITY church or COMMUNE leaders don't have a clue just as you do not have a clue:

      http://www.piney.com/AllThingsShelly.html

      This comes in several pages: be sure to look at them all. I see Rubel Shelly LOOKING BACKWARD and condemning everything HE DID and promoted. You are deliberately SOWING DISCORD and you have fallen and you will never get back up. That is the message of Enoch and Jude.

      Ken
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