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  • Re: I can play basketball better than Michael Jordan!
    • B
      Posted May 6, 2005 2:20 PM

      First of all, I hesitate to continue in a debate with someone who, given current events, would have the lack of sense to compare himself (even in jest) to Michael Jackson.

      Second, I have already mentioned the use of "God Forbid" in several places in the KJV (specifically Romans 6:2). In the Greek, it reads "ma genoito". Neither of those words is "God" or "forbid". You chose to ingore that example.

      Here's another one for you. <Proof ahead - don't ignore this> In I John 5:7, "the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost" was not found in ANY manuscripts until the 16th century. FOR 1500 YEARS THAT WAS NOT IN THE BIBLE. The KJV and NKJV are the only versions to IGNORE the overwhelming evidence that those words are NOT PART OF THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. It came from the Latin Vulgate and was added to pacify those trying to add more weight to the concept of the trinity. You should be as offended by that as you are by problems in the NIV. Luckily, they weren't able to sneak anything in about the pope, or you would be blindly defending that as well.

      And don't assume you know me, by referring to anyone who is on the opposite side of this argument as a "lover of truth" as if I am not. I would not have taken the time to study these things, if I were not searching out truth.

      As for your test above:

      Romans 8:3 - I actually think the KJV is better than the NIV on this verse. I haven't checked other versions yet. I'm not a big fan of the term "sinful nature" that the NIV uses, although it is frequently an accurate thought.

      1 Timothy 3:16 - I'm not sure why the NIV uses "body" instead of "flesh". It doesn't seem to affect the meaning either way. I'm not sure if you have an issue with the "taken up" versus "received up". I'm guessing you do by the underscore. The root word is "lambano" which can mean either take or receive. The "ane" prefix (from ana) adds "up" to the meaning.

      I Peter 3:18 - You don't have this underlined, but the KJV uses the word "suffered" while the KJV uses the word "died". Although we all know that Christ did suffer, the Greek apethanev (from apothnasko) is usually translated he died. Funny that one wasn't underlined, don't you think? Flesh/body - already covered in 1 Timothy 3:16.

      1 Peter 4:1 - Flesh/body - Do you find such a different meaning in these two that is has caused your walk with God to suffer? Body is simply a more modern term for flesh.

      I John 4:2 - The true translation of elaluthota is "having come". It is a perfect participle. Since that doesn't make for sound English (and neither the KJV nor the NIV uses a participle), has come is actually closer to the meaning than is come.

      I John 4:3 - The word flesh (sarkos) is not in the Greek! Neither is the "in the" that precedes it in the KJV. Research this before you assume the guy who wrote this is right. The NIV is dead on in this verse. It's ironic that versions that don't "pass the test" cannot be considered as the word of God according to this verse, when the KJV adds words that aren't even there.

      II John 2:7 - The word for come, erchomenon, is a participle and is properly translated in the NIV.


      You're right. Proof is a great idea. I would imagine you could make a similar list for the NIV (although you failed miserably this time). That's why I don't blindly assume that one version is perfect, and the others are all garbage.


      2 observations to take special note of:

      1. The major versions don't mess up on the verses that have to do with the plan of salvation (hearing, believing, repentance, confession and baptism) or the basic things God expects from a Christian.

      2. You should not make too many assumptions about any of the major versions without at least a basic knowledge of Biblical languages or manuscript history. ALL of them are exact at times and ALL of them take liberties at times that they should not. The fact that someone else uses a version that is different than yours does not make them wrong, from Satan or anything of the kind.

      And by the way, insulting and belittling the versions others use and their religious practices will not convince anyone to change anything.
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