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  • Acts 2:15--"For these are not drunken, as ye suppose..."

    • Posted Dec 22, 2006 11:38 AM

      "... seeing it is but the third hour of the day."

      There was a question earlier about “why is this posted here?”

      http://www.network54.com/Forum/177121/

      Answer: When a congregation goes with the Community/Charismatic/Church-Growth-Movements “flow” as approved by the ELDERS…. When a congregation begins using instrumental music in the assembly—at the expense of splintering churches of Christ—in order to appease and have fellowship with the Christian Churches on their terms, as approved by the ELDERS…. Then, the link provided by Ken is correct and appropriate.

      After all, the initial post stated “community church,” “praise team,” and “worship leader.” These are clear evidences of the culture-driven trends that leaders of a congregation are embracing. As you already know, it is the link to the Richland Hills forum. If it weren’t for that being a separate forum, RHCC would be one of those churches listed here—no doubt.

      BTW, the elders and their faulty and erroneous decisions have much to do with problems and issues confronting congregations. See how ignorance of what the Holy Scripture really teaches, specifies and directs leads to such decisions? I think it is good to provide links to other sources for relevant information and issues being discussed.

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      Betty,

      You said earlier, too, you “just don’t like judgmental people” and used the word “judge” in another post. Do you consider people expressing their opinions as being judgmental? And what about when you express your own opinions?

      Ken is a retired engineer who has been wisely spending much of his time doing researches on various issues, especially those that are confronting the church. Likewise, it would be a well-spent time reading the information he has constantly provided for us. He has done an excellent job of exposing the errors of some of the “leaders” and elders who make decisions for congregations they serve. He has the scriptures and historical evidences on his side.

      I guess it would be OK for you to call that judgmental—in your sense of the word.

      Donnie
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