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  • Re: Astonished at choice of words

    • Posted Jan 1, 2009 3:32 PM

      Re: Astonished at choice of words

      Tim,

      "Choice of words," I agree, can lead someone else to misunderstand or misinterpret or take some explanation out of context. But I believe that the writer of the initial post intended to say, "this is not right by what the church believes the Holy Scripture does or does not teach."

      In the case of "rebaptism," we read of such instances in the book of Acts. What was the reason then? Is it for the same reason that one needs to be baptized AGAIN? Overall, this is a very delicate religious matter or issue to deal with. Several factors need to be taken into consideration regarding this "practice." Understanding God's design and purpose for an individual to be "BURIED WITH CHRIST IN BAPTISM unto [toward] the FORGIVENESS OF SINS in His blood" is paramount to feeling compelled or have "the need" to be baptized "for the remission of sins" AGAIN. [BTW, this would make a good topic for discussion, perhaps, in a separate thread.]

      In regard to "praise teams," it is not sufficient to simply say, "if a church chooses to have a praise team." If you're not aware of what's been going on in the brotherhood, the use of the "praise team" or a ["Baptist"] CHOIR has wreaked havoc in the church as what the Madison, TN congregation experienced in the early part of this decade. Half of its membership left. Heard of this congregation, haven't you?

      It's illogical to make a comparison between "praise teams" [comprised of breathing men and women CO-LEADING] and INANIMATE OBJECTS as the song books, church buildings, church bulletins, etc.

      The "praise team" concept is a major issue in churches of Christ. Is there a need for a CHOIR for attendants to listen to or to do the singing for/to the congregation? Is the CHOIR/Praise Team to supplant congregational singing? Is it to impress our denominational friends and neighbors? Why does the "Praise Team" consist of elite singers? Why is the ENTIRE CONGREGATION not considered the praise team?

      The elders of each congregation must be very careful in considering the implementation of programs and practices. If the purpose is to be just like "the other nations," then, it is the wrong objective. Why implement something or anything that is controversial, unnecessary and divisive?
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