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Saddleback Invades Bethel Baptist in Cherry Hill, NJ

October 25 2002 at 5:34 PM
 
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Another one slouches toward Gomorrah.First the slogan ("Bethel is a safe place to discover God and life at it's very best" - when did a Christian EVER hear from Christ that there are ANY safe places in this world, exept in the shadow of the most high God?), then the psycho-babble ("Be who you are in Christ" - excuse
me, HE'S supposed to be Who He is in us!), and then the ever-increasing rock beat of the once-beloved hymns (imagine, "Oh God Our Help In Ages Past" with a fast-paced, driving rythmn section).Too much!
Add to that some founding members and the treasurer being thrown out because they would not bow to the new programs that were instituted, and the new building budget, and the fervent sermon declaring,"We are going to bring the WORLD into the kingdom!" and, "We have to make the message more attractive". I don't want to be anywhere near the throne when he has to answer for THAT one!
In short, it makes this believing Jew flame with righteous anger, and we have left to go to a REAL church.Thankfully, the Lord provided one immediately.He is faithful and true.Not so with many, in these perilous last days.Maranatha!

 
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65.80.190.188

Leave Dear Brother, Leave

October 26 2002, 7:30 PM 

See another post by this author at the Hillcrest Forum here;
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=179012&messageid=1035670519

 
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Lillian Clark

205.188.209.134

Re: Leave Dear Brother, Leave

December 1 2002, 1:37 PM 

We have just gone through the same thing at Lynchburg Wesleyan Church in Lynchburg, Virginia. Only now it's The Lynchburg Church (TLC). Healthy, growing congregation that has been decimated by a pastor and his cronies. "Non-threatening" activities. Wednesday night "Bible Rap". Movie nights. Screaming, loud rock music and praise teams. Pastor wearing a t-shirt and talking while sitting on a stool. Financial irregularities. Fortunately almost nobody is left. It will no doubt sink. Members have complained to regional district office and gotten nowhere.

 
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63.84.81.47

Saddleback

December 2 2002, 12:25 PM 

I have posted some notes by Dr. Jack Wheaton to show that this is probably the product of deranged adults who never survived the ordeal of a life dedicated to destroying the brain with music: for a price, always a price even in church--

http://www.piney.com/MuWheaton.html

The Bible, other very ancient documents and Revelation 18 inform those still awake that the end-time Babylon Harlot religion will use music and commerce to "steal the church houses of widows."

These are not sincere, dedicated but just uninformed people. Rather, just as "Cain was OF that wicked one," Jesus identified the clergy (Pharisees, etc) as of their father, the Devil, because they spoke on their own.

Temples and mega churches would still be identified by Jesus as "dens of thieves and houses of merchandise."

Kenneth Sublett




 
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63.84.81.12

Saddleback

December 2 2002, 7:04 PM 

Dr. Rubel Shelly says that there is

A Time to Be Like Other People
First, Paul wanted people to
-----know Christ so badly that he took the initiative to
----know and be like others as much as possible.

But Paul became a JEW TO A JEW by relating to a Jew: to a Gentile by not offending a Gentile. However, Paul, would not worship like a Jew nor like a Gentile. Rather, Paul always saw "church" like the Synagogue: a school of the Bible and a place of prayer. It was not a TOOL OF EVANGELISM.

Nor did Paul speak of the ASSEMBLY. By insisting that in church we speak the Spirit or Word of Christ or "that which is written" Paul outlawed bringing the WORLD into the church. The church was not designed to give the evangelists an excuse to ignore the direct command to GO PREACH THE GOSPEL as the only way to "church growth" which is not part of a cult.

And Jesus said:

I have given them your WORD and the world has HATED them, for they are NOT of the world any more than I am of the world. John 17:14
--My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. John 17:15
----They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. John 17:1

Faithfulness to the WORD beginning in Genesis will not allow you to make lots of friends. Jesus told me so! So, if you are a friend of the world then you are the ENEMY of Christ.

The "world" is the domain of Satan. "Cosmos" in English means "harmony" and music was the superstitious way of controlling the world. When you let elements of the world or that which is not commanded in the inspired Word of God, you open the door for Satan to come in. Contrary to this dogma, Paul wrote:

Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves IN the world, and especially in our relations with you,
--in the holiness and sincerity that are from God.
--We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace. 2 Corinthians 1:12

For though we live IN the world,
--we do not wage war as the world does. 2 Corinthians 10:3
--(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;). 2 Corinthians 10:4

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 1 Peter 1:1
--Dear friends, I urge you, as ALIENS and STRANGERS in the world, to abstain from sinful desires,
----which war against your soul 1 Peter 2:11
------Do not love the WORLD or ANYTHING in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Jn 2:15

The Israelite elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations. God answered their prayer but sent leanness into their hearts.

When you WORSHIP LIKE THE NATIONS this is because Christ has abandoned you to the world and you will be destroyed like the world: to the beat of WARRIOR musical instruments (Isaiah 30; Rev 18)

The ENEMIES OF CHRIST are in the pulpits: the only way to defeat them is to take away the "law of giving" or the TITHE and they will just go away. They are "stealing the church houses of widows" and they will steal your soul. The new creed is $$$$$$$

See a three- part examination of the All Things Dogma of Rubel Shelly:

http://www.piney.com/AllThingsShelly.html

Kenneth Sublett

 
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bonehealer

216.201.216.182

You really have NOTHING NEW to say

December 3 2002, 11:04 PM 

You ramble on and on about NOTHING!!! You make NO sense and say the same thing over and over again. Get a new rap man. No one cares what you say or about your articles on your website. They are WEAK.

 
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67.248.68.24

I agree with your post completely..

December 4 2002, 8:55 AM 

I want to direct you and your members to an article called " Re-inventing the Church" by Berit Kjos ...

She makes the point that the tumult in Churches is well planned, and that not only the take over is planned, but after the take overs, many churches are having so called " Conflict Resolution" experts...trained to "bring harmony" to the " freshly divided" Churches...and to bring in these "Change Agents" ....expertly trained in bringing Churches into "compliance and teamwork" for a "unified" Vision.

One thing the AntiChrist Kingdom is not..is "DISORGANIZED"...They have a definate plan for all of your churches. It is well past time to STAND.

The link to this article is below:

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/change_agent-1.htm

 
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ANon

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Question

February 9 2006, 5:29 PM 


What ever happen to this church?

 
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