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Las Vegas Trail coC. Fort worth Tx.

October 9 2003 at 12:43 AM
 
from IP address 67.30.49.50

I am in need of information about Dr. Kregg Hood. I need information about his teachings and background in the church. My congregation is watching another near us fall to his teachings. I would like to give the leaders and followers as much information as I can to help them see the error of his teachings.



Duane Bull Deacon/Youth Minister @LVT coC

TIGA

 
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63.84.81.199

Kreg Hood

October 9 2003, 7:14 PM 

After Madison in Nashville had fallen, they called in Kregg Hood to help build a CONCENSUS. That means to convince the objectors that the elders (self appointed) were right in turning their church into a THEATER FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT. That is the Willow Creek or Saddle Back cult. It seems to enjoy STEALING THE CHURCH HOUSES OF WIDOWS.

I have collected some note her.

http://www.piney.com/KreggHood.html

Ken Sublett


    
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Duane

67.30.32.39

Thank you

October 11 2003, 12:25 AM 

Thank you so much. I will use it immediately. It is so hard to watch alot of faithful men and women being dupped by so few. I will be sending letters and emails to many of my friends at that church in hopes that they will see the error before it gets too late. Thanks again so much.


Duane Bull

 
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Estill B.

68.19.198.58

Re: Kreg Hood

October 12 2003, 11:04 PM 

Ken,

Kregg Hood wrote a book on tithing, correct? His teachings are wrong in the book, of course.

Did Madison really call in Kregg Hood to build a concensus? I'm not aware that he's ever visited there.

You haven't misrepresented and twisted the truth again, have you?

-E.B.

 
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63.84.81.88

Hood

October 13 2003, 8:34 AM 

Did you sleep through the read- through and preaching of Kregg Hood at Madison?

"Don't read ahead?"let us explain the TOTAL LYING and repudiating the death of Christ.

I call that calling in Kregg Hood. The same Kregg Hood of Sweet who yearns for the RAISING THE DEAD? Speaking in tongues? Healing the sick?

See what EB endorsed by silence:

http://www.piney.com/KreggHood.html

Bruce White aka Kregg Hood: "Read the second chapter the second week and continue this process through the month of August. We will conclude our study together on August 25

"We are going to learn some things from God's Word that will REARRANGE our thinking about how God relates to His people. We are going to learn some things about ourselves. But, most of all we are going to find what it is like to PARTNER with GOD in the work of His kingdom."

That also means PARTNER with God in "working out your own salvation" which Rubel Shelly and John York REARRANGE to mean:

John: "Remember, our fundamental conviction is that the Bible is the story of God,

"a DRAMATIC NARRATIVE that announces and reveals and INVITES us into PARTICIPATION and relationship with God and one another.

.."Every scene in that story has been set in some historical human context. [Now, that is so profound and scholarly I just wanta sob.]

.."Those cultural settings always have been changing and changeable.

Rubel Shelly and John York: John: "We find ourselves engaged in the same DIVINE-HUMAN effort, only our cultural circumstances are clearly not the same as those of the first-century world."

"We are able to claim that we are CONTINUOUS with the very first Christians who were TRYING to figure things out -- under the guidance of the Holy Spirit who tabernacled in them -- as they went along!"

Poor, Poor Holy Spirit: Just cannot make it without Kregg, Bruce, Rubel, Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah:

http://www.piney.com/Shelly-York-Narrative.html

And Rubel Shelly the "THOUGHT LEADER" of Madison ooozes through the pores of Madison.

http://www.piney.com/Located-Missionary.html

EB, YOU agree by opposing those who repudiate the MAD MADISONERS for claiming that you PARTNER with God to get your NEW REVELATION by YOURSLEF and the assistance of the Holy Spirit "person" based on YOUR CULTURE. That is why you tolerate the effeminization of the church in accordance with the Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators trained by ACU as ANOTHER CHRIST. You know:

Another Christ Unsettlers: Caroll D. Osburn along with the whole wrecking crew who have REAL troubles with the Masculine Jesus:

"FEMINISTS hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics"

..its goal ACHIEVED

...."by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like erosion, will eventually bring down the fortress"( p. 32)

See Also their agenda:

http://www.piney.com/ACU-OSBURN.html

Ken Sublett

 
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Estill B.

68.19.198.58

Re: Hood

October 14 2003, 6:49 AM 

Ken,

You're LYING again.

I never said any of this:
"EB, YOU agree by opposing those who repudiate the MAD MADISONERS for claiming that you PARTNER with God to get your NEW REVELATION by YOURSLEF and the assistance of the Holy Spirit "person" based on YOUR CULTURE. That is why you tolerate the effeminization of the church in accordance with the Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators trained by ACU as ANOTHER CHRIST."

I've never represented myself as one who agrees with any of this junk. I don't agree with anything Kregg Hood stands for.

What I SAID was:
"Kregg Hood wrote a book on tithing, correct? His teachings are wrong in the book, of course."

"Did Madison really call in Kregg Hood to build a concensus? I'm not aware that he's ever visited there."

YOU said Madison had called him in to build a concensus. That implies that he's been there.

QUIT LYING and twisting, Ken. Stick to the straight ahead truth.

-E.B.

 
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63.84.81.73

Kregging Hood

October 14 2003, 11:18 AM 

SILENCE GIVES CONSENT.

OPPOSING THOSE WHO TRY TO out THE AGENTS GIVES AID AND COMFORT.

NOT RESPONDING TO ANYTHING BUT USING THE RACA WORD GIVES AID AND COMFORT.

NOT READING THE BACKGROUND GIVES AID AND COMFORT AND AGREEMENT. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

My link directed the honest seeker to:

"Bruce White aka Kregg Hood: "We want each family to have a copy of this book. You will receive a copy if you are in services on Sunday. There will be copies at the Welcome Center for those who do not attend this Sunday.
..."It is recommended that you not read the entire book, but only the first chapter for the first week. Let each member of the family read the first chapter, pray about it and discuss it. The sermon on August 4 will be about the first chapter.

These people claim to have The Holy Spirit as little brother of Jesus DRIVING their DELIBERATE SOWING OF DISCORD.

I submit that it is the SPIRIT of Kregg Hood, Max Lucado, Joe Beam, Rubel Shelly and the other HORNS of the beast which speak THROUGH the ten horns. These HORNS are MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS as the Pan Pipes of the little queer half GOAT who is TOP BILLY GOAT OF THE MOUNTAINS OR HILLS to which Rubel and ZOE insist that we MUST LOOK which means looking to the MOUNTAIN GODS for our salvation. By not READING AHEAD we know for a fact and the reviewed sermons that KREGG HOOD was indwelling Bruce White. We even had a little miracle from SEED MONEY GIVING in this series.

EB is the who DEFENDS the cross denial of all of the TEN Horns (PERVERTED MUSIC) seeking to build their OWN KINGDOM. This he does by CALLING ME A LIAR rather than denying the FALSE DOGMA of his congregation to which he is probably still being EXTORTED by the LAW OF GIVING. Further, he gives moral support to an end-time CLEAR PROPHECY. By identifying ME as a LIAR he hopes to dismiss anything I say: this is the GUILT CLAUSE used by Adam who said, if truth means anything, "The woman made me do it." She is EVE or ZOE or MARY and that is why the church self-destructs when females or the effeminate rule. He said, "I was sodomized by the same LUCIFER OR ZOE who wholly seduced Eve in, as Paul makes clear, GETTING to Eve before Adam and Eve came together." That is why Cain was OF THE EVIL ONE and his name name means "A Musical Note."

Jubal HANDLED musical instruments to gain SEXUAL power as a thief. Handled means "without authority" as one RAPES to steal the church houses of widows. Have you run across anyone whose name rimes with Jubal?

http://www.piney.com/KreggHood.html

Believe it or not: there is no OTHER TRADITION but that music was introduced through the youth and perverted to SEDUCE people out of the presence of the Living Word Who lived on the TRUE MOUNTAIN always attacked by little horned (meaning "horney") Alpha Male Goats trying to defeat ANY OTHER MALE influence.

 
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Estill B.

68.19.198.58

Re: Kregging Hood

October 14 2003, 3:42 PM 

Ken,

I don't disagree about Kregg Hood. His teachings are an abomination. I tell anyone who'll listen.

What I SAID was that you've misrepresented the fact that Dr. Hood was present at Madison. His book on tithing was covered in a sermon series. I try to teach anyone who'll listen that he's dead wrong.

What I ALSO SAID was that you've lied about what I believe and what I've said. You continue to do so. Anyone that can read can see it here.

 
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Duane Bull

163.179.131.246

Information

April 20 2004, 9:51 PM 

I wanted to thank you for all the information you pass on to all of us that are learning about all this.
I am in need of some information from you or anyone else
A friend of ours was ordained as an Elder in a nearby
congregation. The Elders stood infront of the congregation and the congregation said a pre-written
statement to the elders stating something to the effect:
"that they will follow these men as they lead the congregation, and if they have a problem with any of them they will go to them and try to resolve the issue. If not then they will go to some one above them". (i.e. such as another elder or the preacher). The elders then together said back to the congregation: "we will lead this congregation....."
Have you or anyone else heard of this?
I am concerned at some of the wording. It sounds as if
they are putting someone over the Elders.

Also we are in need of finding someone who has actually in their possession a copy of one of the surveys that is
handed out by the elders. I need to see one to compare to one we have to see if they are the same.

I know you are busy but if you know where I can get this
I will look it up my self. Thank you again, you have helped me alot.
Duane TIGA

 
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63.84.81.128

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April 21 2004, 12:39 PM 

Preachers who were once MINISTERS are now MASTER in the form of PASTOR. Notice that the SHEPHERDS must minister to the MINISTERS. "Members" who supposedly selected elders because they, in the words of Lenski and the clear message of the Bible" are already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teachig.

Along with the NEW STYLE WORSHIP is normally hireing someone to TEACH because almost without exception the are not able to "teach that which has been taught."

http://www.piney.com/RSReImaging.html

Notice the pyramid of power proposed by Rubel Shelly:

"The call of a shepherd is to be in relationship --
    with God,
    "with other SHEPHERDS,
    "with the MINISTERS,
    "with church LEADERS, and with
    "the MEMBER of the congregation.

    "Achieving excellence in these many relationships can be a daunting challenge, especially in a large or growing church. We will explore and discuss some ways that shepherds can achieve excellence in their many desired relationships.

Friday, April 5, 11 a.m. -- "Shepherds in Relationship: With One Another" - Shepherds are called because of their individual excellence, yet an eldership can only be effective if it develops a COLLECTIVE excellence

Friday, April 5, 2:30 p.m. -- "Shepherds in Relationship: With Church Leaders" -

"ELDERS must be able to be both spontaneous and intentional in the shepherding, mentoring, equipping, and encouraging

"they provide to the LEADERS of the church

"Friday, April 5, 4 p.m. -- "Shepherds in Relationship: With The Ministers" -


MINISTERS are the GREATEST RESOURCE of the local church in terms of KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE, and INVESTMENT in human resources.

"Shepherds and ministers must work as PARTNERS in anticipating and meeting the needs of the church family.


People on this forum who had a problem with the decisions of the elders were told "not to seek to speak to them unless it was a SALVATION ISSUE.

I have posted a response to a survey at West End in Nashville. After the survey they decided they need to hire an $80,000.00 a year worship leader.

http://www.piney.com/West.End.Prep.Survey.html

From this rough copy you can see that the church ASKS YOU ANSWERS and could care less what you think. What they build is similar to the Towers of Babylon where the "agents of the gods" rode on the backs of hard working people.

Someone on the forum may have a copy of the survey. But, it is not a survey: the decisions which the MINISTERS and their "shepherds" have already made are signalled in the way questions are asked.

 
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FG

24.0.57.44

The role of Elders;; Clear? Go-Figure???

April 23 2004, 2:25 PM 

Gents; As a new Church of Christ Christian, it might be good to re-address again the role of Elders over Elders? Bishops, ?? In our city, near Fort Worth, We have 4 different Churches of Christ, and all have different elder role make-ups..

1; Had 2 elders, and recently the Pulpit Minister was named as an Elder also. He remains the pulpit preacher. Total of 3 Elders; Membership of 150.

2. 13 Elders, divided into Worship, Missions, Facilities, Senior Citizens Flock, Youth, etc, etc, This Group of 13 appointed 5 "Executive" Elders who meet alone to make major decisions that involve 2 or more Elders. These 5 Executive Elders in-turn, have selected a Senior Elder to oversee the meetings, and he has appointed a "Administrator" Elder to manage" the Church Staff. Any questions or inquiries to the Church Staff, are brought in writing first to a Commitee that is led by the Admin. Elder, The Pulpit Minister, Bookkeeper (currently non-deacon), and the Senior Elder. Membership of 600.

3. Entire Eldership recently resigned, Has 4 new Elders, recently selected by the Preacher, and a Worship Committee, to double-check the Preacher.. Membership of 50.

4. Has 1 Elder, who is also the Preacher, who is also retired and therefore at the Building nearly on a 24 x 7 hours basis. Membership of 40

Please explain the differences in working roles here, and our Bible directon for these many roles we are seeing today. "Elder", "Senior Elder", "Executive Elder", Bishop, Pastor, Bishop Elder, "Executive Committee, comprising of Senior Elder, Pastor, Worship Leader, and Bookkeeper.




 
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Elders?

April 24 2004, 12:01 PM 

I believe that we have picked up some denominational thought about LEADERSHIP. First, Jesus made it sure that no one must attempt COMMAND LEADERSHIP in the church. Jesus is the Head.

Secondly, the church must be REDEFINED as the Bible made it clear: Jesus promised to "build my church." No, He used the word ekklesia. The other Greek word for the assembly which Paul almost always used of the GATHERING was a form of the word syngogue.

The synagogue was not an organization: it was a school of the Bible. People came together to pray and learn. Even the prayers were not improvized but Biblical hymns.

Now, if the church is a SCHOLL OF THE BIBLE we can understand the meaning in the Bible and articulated by Lenski: they did not elect but "pointed out" those who were "already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching.

When God gave the Sabbath it was not a day of WORSHIP but a day of REST. A Holy Convocation meant to REHEARSE or READ the Word of God. Jesus died to give the TRUE REST: He invited the twos and threes to "come learn of me." An elder would be APT to teach and if not, he is not qualified in any sense. APT does not mean that he is "as apt to chase a coon and to be able to teach the Bible."

Now, if the church has no pyramid structure of leadership. And if the church understands it mission to TEACH the Word, there will be no SUPERSTRUCTURE over which carnal men lust to rule over. Elders "rule" when they "speak that which has been taught." Others "obey" when they give heed and obey the teaching and follow the 'outcome of the elder's life.'

http://www.piney.com/ChElderHolyGhost.html

http://www.piney.com/ElderRuler.html

The elders have no superior authority over ADMINISTRATION. In fact, that he has a STAFF to administer proves that his is not a church of Christ. The bible defines the elders as the only pastor-teachers over the flock along with the deacons. The word deacon includes teaching responsibility and in the early years he was the one most able to leave home and be an evangelist.

The preacher is to be the evangelist or a herald: he cannot be a "Located Missionary."

There is no authority for a local preacher because "sermonizing" is outlawed by the command to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word." All of church history agrees that he has no RIDING role on the local congregation.

If the elders divide up the work then you have no plurality of elders: most often the education ministry is left in untrained hands while the elders do meetings. Paul defined his speaking as DIALOG or COMMUNING with the people on a common level: you learn nothing from a sermon. In Greek the word is:

    sermo, o-nis, m. [2. sero, qs. serta, conserta oratio], a speaking or talking with any one; talk, conversation, DISCOURSE:

    b. Concr., a talk, speech, discourse (more informal and unpretending than oratio)

    oratio , o-nis, f. [oro] , a speaking, speech, discourse, language

    II. In partic., formal language, artificial discourse, set speech (Opposite to sermo, ordinary speech, conversational language):


http://www.piney.com/ChMinistry.html

You have as much right as anyone to "take the oversight" in the sense that you see yourselves as a member over whom only Christ has command leadership. That means that if the elders is not a competent teacher then you become the teacher to those who will listen. Remember, that Jesus didn't recognize the command leadership of the unauthorized CLERGY.

Ken Sublett

 
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Duane Bull

4.227.35.149

Deacon

May 9 2004, 11:01 PM 

Just wanted to send out a message to all in the fort worth area. Our minister recieved a phamplet about the
40 days of Purpose, by Rick Warren. He is the minister at Richland Hills church of Christ. He is starting a state wide campaign. We know of at least 2 other denominations that are advertising this event. I am unsure of how many others will be sucked into this. But I hope some of you will see it coming and will be able to stop it.
Thank you again for all your assistance.




Duane Bull

 
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Frank

12.238.102.131

Turnpike CoC, GP, TX Never Has Recovered From KH thesis;

October 13 2003, 10:20 AM 

Another Church of Christ in Dallas Fort Worth that never saw it coming and we are having a tough time in recovery. Sometime back Kreg H was in the running for the pulpit, came in second or third, and yet hung around because a few elders fell under his thesis. I think it is wise to pray, pray again, enter into research, and then go again into prayer afterwards. In him...

 
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Duane Bull

67.234.65.166

Thank you

October 13 2003, 11:50 PM 

I appreciate all the information I can get on Kregg Hood. I know many of you know of him or what he preaches. A large church in Fort Worth is teaching his book "Take God at His Word" right now. They are on chapter 2 this week. I have friends that go there and
they all act like it is ok. Have I missed something. How can a minster/Elders daughter fall for such talk.
Is it all that powerfull?
If anyone has anyother information they can give me
on this ........ man. Please let me know.

Thank you again.

Duane Bull


    
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163.179.144.30

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November 24 2003, 11:32 PM 

Brother Frank,
I hope you see this as I am in need of information that maybe you can give me. I need to know any information you can give me on Bobby Moore, he was there as a Youth minister but that is all I know. Do you know what he stands on Biblically, and what his stance is on music in the church and praise teams?
Thank you so much. Hope you see this. Thank you.


Duane Bull, may God bless all you do.

 
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Frank

24.0.24.82

Bobby Moore

November 25 2003, 8:43 AM 

Hello; Please advise your contact number. We will need to speak over the phone.

Regarding Kregg Hood and all the Company mentioned above, it is true these gents are entering and then leaving some very damaged churches throughout the brotherhood. I am starting to see hidden agendas about "imagined financial church growth" that comes from stealing existing churches from the Widows, calling them "extended campus churches", and then selling these assets to make income.

in prayer to him who gave his life for us,
Frank




 
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64.48.221.132

Re: Bobby Moore

November 25 2003, 10:00 PM 

Frank
Please contact me on my email for further contacts. Thank you.
Dbull

 
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