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Springer Church of Christ, Hohenwald, TN

January 27 2004 at 8:43 AM
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I wanted to make everyone aware that the Springer congregation in Hohenwald is practicing a dangerous form of church organization. For years the churches of Christ have held that each body of the Lord's church should be lead by a group of elders. This is in accordance with the commands of Scripture. Did you know that the Springer congregation has only one elder and it happens to be their preacher? This is surprising from a church which has for years been a beacon of the truth. Apparently the wishes of the preacher are more important than the Scriptures. This sounds more like the denominational system of having a "pastor" and it should be stopped.

 
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63.84.81.147

Springer

January 27 2004, 8:56 PM 

On a bleak December day in 1946 our crew moved into a house just up the road from Springer. The "church" was an old community building or a two room school building which had the middle wall of partition removed.

The land had been donated from the farm we bought and and my dad donated more. Preachers were rare, we hovered around the wood stove which my brother and I lit each Sunday morning and had the best "country" congregational singing you can imagine. Since "business" has nothing to do with the SYNAGOGUE OF CHRIST, everyone had their say about whether we would send money to the orphans. "Joe" would donate the goat, "sam" would donate the pigs and barbecue on the ground was a feature.

"Preachers" were often students of the Bible-- rather than DIVINITIES-- from Lipscomb and the "college" was a primary missionary effort. The will of David Lipscomb formed a Bible School and not a secular univesity having gone to bad seed.

I remember one man who raised the temperature on a nickle by rubbing it before he pried it into the basket: my dad borrowed a dollar from Ray Baker's store when he didn't have it.

But they don't have a LIKE- DAVID'S pyramidal "ministry" system so there is not much need for an Executive Minister or a 90k a year "music minister." They are in full fellowship with all of the congregations but one and have been the recipient of lots of good people having had the "church house of widows" stolen from them. I have no doubt that there are men in training (on the Bible, you see).

Everyone can meet in security without having to watch their backs or purses.

Having been forced to sit like owls on a log in their old clan and never trained in the elements needed of an elder in their BROKE church, does not mean that they are DEVOID of the sole skill of "teaching that which has been taught" and "rebuking those who refute it."

Since Paul didn't announce any ANNOINTING practices we should not assume that Springer is devoid of ELDERS whom Paul insisted be selected "because they are already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching." They are not going to GIVE the church to a YOUNGER. It is a dangerous thing when IN- CONTROL people do politics to get elected but predictable that they would treat the church like another commercial property. Elders are de-selected by a silent vote of no-confidence.

You see, elders are not POLITICALLY ELECTED but ordain means to POINT OUT those doing the work. The distinction has no meaning when men love and honor one another. David Lipscomb says that an "elder has no more AUTHORITY after he is identified than he had BEFORE he was approved."

While others were doing card class in the auditorium the people at Springer could listen to a TEACHER explain and understand the 5 points of Calvinism. There is NO ROLE for a PREACHER as theatrical performer but I have never seen their preacher prance around, do tippy-toes, baptize the front row with "spit," fling his hands or RAVE in RAGE. If he does not agree with you, you don't see anything in his eyes which make you fear him. He is a HARD man and wants perfection but Jesus had to settle for less. "Children" became ADULTS at age 20 so there is no way to chase our pedigree down through generations.

I dare say that Springer has a better Bible base than any congregation in the county. And after all, Jesus built his EKKLESIA or SYAGOGUE so you assemble (synagogue) "to pay attendance to the public READING of the Word (the old bible, you know). Then the DIRECT COMMAND was to exhort (that which you have read) and to ENDOCTRINATE any teachings of Christ included in the read PASSAGE. That included the Lord's Supper as a painful participation in remembering Christ's death to show forth or preach His DEATH and not to as John Mark Hicks celebrate a sacrificial meal in which God eats with us. There is not a single "country" boy at Springer who would MOCK Jesus during Lord's Supper.

Elders are important: lets hope and pray that Springer can find elders MORE APT to teach the Bible than APT to chase a coon. The preacer is PUSHING for selecting elders and there are several good, respected prospects who would hang themselves before turning Judas. If the elder has the BIBLE and has not repudiated it beyond redemption there is nothing which says that they have to be guiding lights of the community

Pray for them: Ken

 
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Del

207.65.228.217

Springer Church of Christ

January 27 2004, 9:19 PM 

Dear Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous

Since you signed your letter anonymous I guess that makes it O.K. for me. I am familiar with the Springer situation and agree that the preacher should not be the elder. The preacher at Springer was one of two elders. I am in agreement that there should be a plurality of elders and my personal opinion is that never should the preacher be one of the elders, regardless of how many there are. The other elder resigned and so did the preacher resign as an elder.

The congregation as it is now with this preacher will never be torn apart by change agents like the congregation you are defending.

It is easy to understand why you are posting this misdirected letter of condemnation since the preacher and once elder has kept up with all the change movements, change agents and has always made this destructive movement known to the congregation as well as all whom he has come in contact with.

It is easy to understand your misdirected condemnation since he is very vocal in an effort to stop the apostasy of the Hohenwald Church of Christ, it's preacher, elders and one or more deacons all of whom are promoting denominational practices.

The "unchanged by change agents" readers of this forum would be totally disgusted if they only knew to the extent you and your apostate leaders and preacher have gone to totally destroy a church family and steal the physical buildings.

The readers will never know of the many divided families, tears shed and widow women in tears over having to leave their church home for decades. The readers will never know how many of the youth at the Hohenwald Church may never enter heavens gates due to the error that is now being taught and preached there.

It is easy to understand your slanderous condemnation since the preacher mentioned has for years been aware of the destructive ACU, Purpose Driven, Lipsconb program being promoted at the Hohenwald Church. You and your co-spirators are in such a self-righteous mode that you will not accept an invitation to meet with the leaders of the other congregations of the county to discuss differences. You did send a couple of young ladies to defend your cause. That was very brave of you. You apparently feel that you are unstoppable and will not change your course.

You and your co-conspirators have driven away over a hundred members, split families, stolen the house of worship of so many defenseless widows and you should be too ashamed to ever condem anyone.

You can only hope that you can someday have the bible knowledge of the mentioned preacher. You can only pray for guidance to put you back on the straight track that this preacher has been on and is to this day. May God have mercy and compassion for you and those of like mind. May God give you wisdom to see the error of your teachings. Those whom you are following are financially better off having you as a disciple since their purpose seems to be the sale of books.

You have set out on a course to destroy a church, split families and possibly help many youth down a path of spiritual destruction. Hopefully your reply will be with love for truth and a desire to learn again the first principles of being a member of the Church of Christ.


 
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Concerned

24.117.34.106

I am ashamed

January 27 2004, 10:55 PM 

I am. I can't get over it. I am ashamed that this site exists. I am ashamed that I am even writing this message in the first place. It seems to me that this site has become a venue to express gossip. Gossip is a sin. No ands, ifs or buts. When the buisness of one congregation become the business of others? When did the "church of christ" become the Scriptural police?

 
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Anon.

67.32.201.59

I share your disgust...

January 28 2004, 12:47 PM 

but it only goes to prove that churches of Christ are NOT autonomous but enjoy (or rather have to go through) the same problems as "denominations." Since the beginning of the Restoration movement, churches of Christ have always been one denomination among many despite the cries against this fact.

Many years ago, my father taught me about the "duck test." The church of Christ passes the denominational "duck test" with flying colors and it has some members scared to death.

 
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63.84.81.81

DUCK TEST.

January 28 2004, 6:59 PM 

Anon. You are quite uninformed! A church may be DENOMINATED without being a modern DENOMINATION. I will suprize you that the "church of Christ" was the denominating marker in the Bible.

Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ.

NO: Church of God won't work. God, like Elohim, is a generic name for a god such as Moses or evil "gods." While there were many "gods" there was only ONE Lord or Jehovah. While there are many "gods" in Greek the only TRUE God has the name JESUS which as prophesied means Jehovah- Saves. The name CHURCH OF GOD points to a pagan organization:

For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 1 Thess 2:14

The history of the Church among most groups identify themselves as THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

Now, a DENOMINATION has a creed, headquarters, head, dues paying members and more. The Baptists would NEVER allow a person who believes in Baptism Into Christ to be a preacher. The nearest we came was when Jubilee failed to deliver in Nashville. However, there are many bundling up to Rubel Shelly as the new HEAD and spirit guide.

Now, the DUCK TEST. Sorry, you got the wrong animals. The Jews ate sacrifices offered to Baal-Peor along with their musical and sexual practices. Know what the people sacrificed to Baal? Well, the DUCK BILL would come in handy as it roams the barnyards.

Now the TRUE QUACK TEST relates to false teachers prophesied to hatch out about now. Here are some facts about those not all they are QUACKED UP to be. These QUACKERS come out of the mouth of the Beast. Read more:

http://www.piney.com/SerpClarkGen3.html

"I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come from the mouth of the dragon (Satan/the Devil), from the mouth of the beast (the Nimrod's church of Satan), and from the mouth of the false prophet (Satan's world religion established at the Tower of Babel -- worship of the seven planets and the false messiah, Nimrod.)

Frogs are creatures of the night, i.e. of the Prince of Darkness, Satan. According to Dictionary Symbolism, by Hans Beidermann:

"The early Church fathers referred to 'frogs living in mud' and their loud croaking, and they saw them as SYMBOLS OF THE DEVIL or of heretics PROMOTING FALSE DOCTRINE." Beidermann goes on to state the frog croaks most of the day for the sheer joy of croaking and living in its mud-hole. In other words, these creatures of darkness go on and on and on,proclaiming and promoting the false doctrine of Babel. They thoroughly enjoy the mud-hole in which they live, and have no intention of hearing Jehovah- Saves true commands.

"These were demonic spirits who performed signs. They went out to the kings of the whole world to assemble them for the battle of the Great Day ofJahwah, the Almighty. (Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who has kept watch, and has kept his clothes on, so that he does not go naked and ashamed for all to see.)

The QUACKS are

Flatterer.

[Nouns] flatterer, adulator; eulogist, euphemist; optimist, encomiast (praise leaders), laudator, whitewasher. toady, toadeater; sycophant, courtier, Sir Pertinax MacSycophant; flaneur, proneur; puffer, touter, claqueur; clawback, earwig, doer of dirty work; parasite, hanger-on (servility) [more].

935. Flatterer. -- N. flatterer, adulator; eulogist, euphemist; optimist, encomiast, laudator[Lat], whitewasher. toady, toadeater[obs]; sycophant, courtier, Sir Pertinax MacSycophant; flaneur[Fr], proneur[Fr]; puffer, touter[obs], claqueur[Fr]; clawback[obs], earwig, doer of dirty work; parasite, hanger-on &c. (servility) 886. yes-man, suckup, but-kisser [vulgar], brown-noser [vulgar], teacher's pet.

Make sure you KNOW which animal you want to follow to the feeding grounds when you hear those QUACK DOCTORS.

Socrates

Didn't know that they sustain and feed a host of specialists, sayers of sooth, quack doctors, [Frogs in Revelation are Quacks] hairy idlers with onyx signet-rings, writers of chorus-bending SCREECHES,
phony meteorologists,doing nothing useful,living only to sing about the Clouds?

Aristophanes says for all of us suffering from the performing arts:

http://www.piney.com/MuCloudArist.html

"Break wind superannuated codger, seeking artful words, priest of subtlest hogwash. You we like because you swagger all over town, and roll your eyes, suffering every kind of woe, and proud on our account." And he said that female singer "goddesses give us judgment, dialectic, intelligence, fantasy and double-talking, eloquence and forceful talk. Just to hear their voices makes my very soul take wing and fly,

.."makes me long to chop some logic, blow some elocutive smoke, bust big maxims with little maxims."

"One other aspect of production needs to be mentioned. Socrates first appears in the play suspended in air.

"The means of his suspension is undoubtedly the mechane, which in tragedy is mostly used for gods,

"but in comedy is used for any character who needs to fly or just be in the air."

Do the QUACK TEST. Ken


    
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Anon.

207.69.49.94

???

January 28 2004, 10:25 PM 

You try so hard to sound intelligent but fall so short. What you just said amounts to "kiencksi tiencsdl sitefhxk weroisklwpo nvxdfgkowert dkweroikncxsdri sdoijrwe;pojasdfl poijdkoiw oinjslie'apeoamd;ljfpe pojwpso poriwe;slf."

There is a reason that nobody is taking you seriously.

 
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63.84.81.44

Finto-Lucado-Disciple??

January 29 2004, 12:17 PM 

You RESPONDED just like a FROG SPIRIT speaking for the BEAST (Zoe: beast and female instructing principle). Jesus called it "prophesying" (speaking in tongues with musical intent) but God DOESN'T KNOW YOUR NAME.

Paul identified self-speak songs and sermons from the just-out-of-pagans in Corinth as speaking in tongues: he related them to the warriors sounding brass and the FAMILIAR SPIRIT of the witches.

Jesus spoke in parables to DELIBERATELY keep the gospel from the RELIGIONISTS. And Paul in 2 Cor 3 proves that those WHO HAVE NOT TURNED TO THE LORD which means at baptism to REQUEST A holy spirt or A clear conscience CANNOT read the Words of God because they are spiritually blind and deaf.

Now, you are not as good as Max Lucado and his merry band of men in Nashville. Hear Max PREP the Jubilee heresy by speaking in tongues for Don Finto who apparently heard little green men at Roswell or somewhere in the desert. "Rusty" has a lot of HARD WORK to do before he could get a lot better words than yours:

"Could you just close your eyes just for a second and help me out. O-uh-God-those who have SPIRITUAL TONGUES go ahead and speak forth in them. Let's worship the Lord. Go to his throne because his PERFECT word comes down from HIS THRONE.

"It flows over the edge of the rivers of living water. Flows down ... down into our lives and into our spirits.

"Many times we have to ASCEND into HEAVEN to receive the very word of the Lord. And it's hard for us to open up with our eyes around us, and see the things going on around us, to receive the word of the Lord. Let's just worship. Confess out loud. Let's just pray in the SPIRIT right now."

When Paul worshipped or PRAYED in the spirit he prayed in HIS OWN SPIRIT OR MIND which is the ONLY place where God even takes notice of "worship." This is a phonetic translation of Rubel's major book peddling buddy:

Kalla ma sone, da fa kooka shores. It kin da la key la shone da la kene (his voice becomes hoarse and is reduced to an indistinguishable whisper). Bear fose sone ta wentta lone (voice trails off into a whisper again). Da lotta tongue de cush–a–wong do so coo toe. Ah shon da ba she dees ... O. Lord, your good ... Gash a la mon sewer. El ah ma she sa (more whispering). Fa kon a la ma dorman begetta see de so lawsuit...

Now, the Hohenwald people can read the rest of the transcript to see where the LOCUSTS are trying to lead you with MUSICA.

htt://www.piney.com/LucadoDobbsTongues.html

When you fall into the HEB 6 trap God in Christ blinds your eyes and plugs your ears. When my ears get plugged up I hear the echo of MY OWN VOICE speaking to me.

"Comedy (from Greek komos, meaning "revel" naked: Judas was one of them) was presented competitively in Athens from 486 BC at the LENAEAI WINTER FESTIVAL (Winterfest or MAD WOMEN'S FESTIVAL), though it fused much earlier traditions of popular ENTERTAINMENT, mime, PHALLIC rites (re: PK), and revelry in honour of Dionysus. Ancient shamanistic ceremonies also may have influenced its development. Old Comedy, of which Aristophanes was the chief exponent, was highly satirical. It was characterized by wildly imaginative material (in which the CHORUS might represent birds, FROGS, wasps, or clouds) that was blended with a grotesque, vulgar, and witty tone, which could still accommodate poetry of great lyrical beauty. The bawdiness of the plays was emphasized by the actors' costumes, which featured jerkins with padded stomachs and LARGE PHALLI. As in tragedy, masks were worn, though exaggerated for comic effect."

I HAVE LOTS MORE WHICH PROVES THAT THE "BODY AND MUSICA" PEOPLE MOCKED JESUS AND INTEND TO HURT EVEN WIDOWS:

http://www.piney.com/Laughing-Mocking-Jesus.html

I have added some material to Jeff Walling's wanting to BUNDLE with God in dance. This is SO people will KNOW if you lead THEIR children into a perverse form of worship and MOCKING the church wot feeds 'im.

http://www.piney.com/WallingInd.html

SQUINTUM was also trained in THESPIANISM.

MASKS MEANING HYPOCRITES. Did you notice that FHU "music fellas" went as DEMONS all padded up as MISSIONARIES. Over the edge but prophesied.

Emotionally and sexually abnormal people as freaks were the WORLD'S OLDEST PROFESSION."

"There were, in the Middle Ages, two different types of jesters, morally subnormal (under the norm) but not mentally deranged individuals whose acknowledged, socially "deviant" behavior is acceptable as a source of entertainment: a) buffoons who used BODILY EXCESSES, gossips, and TRICKS to entertain audiences
in the MARKETPLACE and during popular festivities, and

...b) court-jesters who entertained at court.

"Both the BUFFOON and the court jester (sometimes the same individual) generally relied upon his PERCEIVED mental deficiencies or PHYSICAL DEFORMITIES to entertain his hosts. Such characteristics, however, often deprived him of individual rights and civic responsibilities and put him in a paradoxical position: he was at once representative of OUTLAWS and OUTCASTS and DEPENDENT upon the support of his SOCIAL GROUP (or audience).

"In the Middle Ages there was a widespread belief that good-humored joking protected a person from misfortune. Therefore, the jesters were considered naturally "lucky" and as such could transfer their good fortune to their noble PATRONS. Indeed, the court prince (or king) often charged the jesters with the task of continually PROVOKING his courtiers in order to DEFLECT pent-up frustration or WRATH away from himself and the other noblemen and ladies.

"They became a sort of SCAPEGOAT or living MASCOT who could, through PRANKS and witty banter, bring good luck to his master and likewise "ABSORB" social FRICTION. It is because of this special social function that court jesters were generally exempted from censorship and were allowed to behave in ways which would have been unacceptable for other members of the court. (B. C) Welsford, Enid. The Fool, his Social and Literary History London: Faber & Faber,1968.

I DO like to read: that is the meaning of being a DISCIPLE. A disciple of Christ is a STUDENT of His word and NOT a paganistic "worshiper." You remember that God gave the SCAPE GOAT when the Israelites sinned beyond redemption. This was a sacrifice to Azazel or Satan. That is why the king/queen of TYRE (in the Bible) was called the SINGING AND HARP PLAYING PROSTITUTE. Lucifer was HER name and TRAFFICK was her game.

Go back and see if you can read just a ITSY BITSY part of my quite-literate exposure of the ETERNAL game of Satan against the WORD without it throwing you into a charismatic fit. I have LOTS MORE and it 100% of the time connects MUSICA to the pagan, perverted worship of the NEW WINESKIN gods. There is NO music word used in the Bible which does not connect to children, Satan, prostitutes or Sodomites. The SACRIFICIAL NOISE MAKERS were mocking TYPES OF JESUS just as the JUDAS PRINCIPLE among the Warrior Levitical Panic Sounders mocked Jesus right on the cross.

YOU get their BODIES in BODY WORSHIP (look it up at Google) and I get their MINDS or SPIRITS if they have A holy spirit or A clear consiousness (conscience) received ONLY by request at Baptism. I DISCIPLE those capable of being DISCIPLED all over the world while the NEW STYLE WORSHIPERS are playing with themselves.

Your BUFFONERY will not DEFLECT anyone with an IQ as long as their shoestring from READING and UNDERSTANDING. I spend a lot of time SPLAINING to those who are DISCIPLES (baptized believers) who WANT to be students of the HOLY SPIRIT which is the MIND OF CHRIST. No, he is not WHAT causes all of those PLEASURE CENTERS to blush when the charismatic praise singers stroke there nerve endings.

Ken Sublett


    
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Anon.

207.69.50.18

Thanks!!!

January 29 2004, 7:09 PM 

Ken,

Thank you for proving my point again.

The more I read of you, the more I can see your heart getting harder.

 
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69.91.0.236

Lying again, Ken??

January 30 2004, 9:12 PM 

Ken, at least you are very predictable. You have again been telling the LIE that Max Lucado has spoken in tongues. I realize that you have no proof of this "event" other than your reliance on an unheard tape. Really now,do you not think that some might find you a bit more believable if your comments (for lack of a better work) were not interspersed with lies?

Tom Brite

 
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bb

68.62.195.140

Just Watching

June 29 2006, 9:54 PM 

Ken your ramblings are incoherent as well as mean spirited.

I have attended multiple churches of Christ and we always had "one" like you. In a word spiteful.

 
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Anonymous

66.20.105.180

Re: Springer Church of Christ, Hohenwald, TN

January 28 2004, 1:16 PM 

I am sorry for ever posting something about the Springer Church. It was done in anger over the unjust criticism that is being leveled at the Hohenwald church. I just wanted another church to see what it felt like. I wanted them to feel the hurt that they are causing in our congregation. I wanted them to see what it was like to be unfairly judged. However, that does not justify my actions. I should never have posted something about another congregation. That was sinful and I repent. I too am ashamed of this site and I am ashamed that I was drawn into this conversation. I ask for the forgiveness of any of Springer's members who I've offended. We should all repent of this nonsense and stop policing one another. Our battle is not against each other. Today I vow to leave this site to everyone else. I will not return because it has caused me to habor anger and resentment towards my brothers. Let's get on with the business of the gospel and stop beating each other up.

 
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Del

207.65.228.57

Springer Church of Christ

January 28 2004, 3:40 PM 

Anon,
The Church of Christ tries to be autonomous and has for as long as history records its action. No one congregation has any power or authority over any other congregation but when apostasy is slipped in, other congregations have a right to refrain from participation in their destruction. They also have a right to question one congregation's actions since their youth are easily misled by charismatic worship services. Your duck test sounds a little "quacky" but maybe it works. Who am I to say since I am not familiar with the "duck test".

Anonomous:
Your apology is accepted by this writer and I am sure everyone else involved. God always is the only judge. Anger and accusations are harmful. The truth also hurts. The truth is that the other congregations in Lewis County are trying hard to ward of the effects of this apostasy by the Hohenwald Church. A bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. The Bible is the test and not the ducks. None of the other churches in the county claim perfection but "near perfection" is our goal.

I am in agreement that this site sometimes gets a little heated and ugly but sin is ugly. Religious and political differences are rarely comfortable to discuss.

Regardless of what you think of the site, it has enlightened millions who otherwise would be in total darkness regarding the radical, progressive and liberal changes being promoted by so many change agents. Change is good if it doesn't violate the scriptures. If it isn't broke, then it should be left alone and it wasn't broke until he "Professional change agents came along. I can tell by your letter that you like the current on-going changes and that is fine but the changes should not be forced on the membership with a "take it or leave" attitude.

Those in leadership positions including the preacher are, in effect, stealing the church, driving away more than one hundred, and causing a major crisis among the older members who have attended there most of their life. Why not just start another congregation, preach, teach and practice whatever you want. No one would fault your leaders for that.

In the meantime, anonomous, keep your ears and eyes open and use your bible to check everything, but please discard the NIV unless you like a totally corrupt version.

Thanks for your concern and check in occasionally.

 
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63.84.81.81

UNJUST?

January 28 2004, 4:33 PM 

You should grasp that the Hohenwald PLATFORM for restraining the WORD and deliberately sowing discord, taking control of others propert, SOLICITING funds under false pretenses and the DIVERTING it to their own PLEASURE-based church which is NOT a Synagogue, has spread weaping widows into most of the other churches. Therefore, knowing that there is RABBIT FEVER in the county they have the direct command to TEST THE SPIRITS.

If they saw an old, dead, crippled widow having her heritage diverted (mine was less but substantial) they would not label them "grey hairs" and exult in their leaving. If they saw a fine family being mugged in the street by teaching heresy they would probably at least call 911.

The PROBLEM spread like an AIDS plague long before anyone REQUESTED a meeting with the elders. The destruction of the peace and tranquility (for which Jesus died) of the whole county and into their extended connections is NOT something the deliberate SOWERS OF DISCORD based on ignorance of the Word can respond: "Just WHOOO do YOUUU THANK YOU are, questioning OUR false teaching?" Sure, I can remember that aristocracy of muddy streets from way back in '46.

The response was that they didn't want to be involved with a Kangaroo court, notwistanding that SINGLE-MIND decisions always overode the "FAMILY" you want to build. The OTHER congregations responded with a TOTALLY REASONABLE statement of only TWO of the well-known heresies being taught while there were several others: proven positively by the exit of educated professionals who had once served before top billy goat ate jimpsom weed probably at PK96.

The Hohenwald return letter BLAMED others and tried to drive a wedge between the other congregations and their leaders who DARED TO do what Jesus or Paul would have done. I am embarassed each time I read it.

No one can raise a drop of sweat when they read the sarcastic attack. The picture of GRACE-CENTERED is "we know that we are sinning but YOU ARE A BIGGER ONE." I think everyone associated with Springer (that does not include me) would respond just as the Grimes responded: they knew in advance that to raise a reasonable quesion would get them labelled as SLANDERERS and LIARS.

When FAITHFUL churches object to the effeminate-musical hostile takeover by quoting the Bible, the ANTICIPATED response is "but you have toilet paper in your indoor bathroom." But that is the HEGELING or HITLERIAN dialectic: "You slaughtered millions of Jews and others." Wall-uh, you 'member GRACE? and besides YOU said an ugly word in sixth grade. No, it is not an exaggeration because the MUSICA word speaks of the slaughter of souls.

YOU are the guilty parties: Springer has not had a fuss in the almost 60 years I know about. NO elders have always been better in many congregations I have worked in around the country than FALSE of submissive men who are neither "elder" nor "apt to teach."

In a treacherous effort to MAKE FRIENDS with all of the buying DENOMINATIONS, the same denominations might confiscate your property but they WILL not "fellowship" except to their advantage: say the WINTERFEST which is the winterNEST of those who have been instrumental in teaching others how to SOW DISCORD. In the Greek World an identical festival was called the MAD WOMEN'S FEST. I think that it still is.

Hohenwald and its leaders earned the scorn of the county and MOST religious groups the OLD FASIONED WAY and I am aware that scolding hurts: but when the neighborh's bull pollutes my steps it knows beforehand that BBs hurt. The world will ALLWAYS note and NEVER forget what you did here; all based on a SCHOLARLY view of the Bible which delibertly perverts.

Ken Sublett: delighted that the watching world can see the GUILT CLAUSE in operation. Paul in Hebrews 6 says that SOME THINGS cannot be repaired.

 
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Anonymous

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Re: Springer Church of Christ, Hohenwald, TN

January 28 2004, 4:26 PM 

I would further request that this church be taken off this list. They do not deserve to be here nor does any other congregation.

 
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Springer church of Christ--a faithful congregation with a faithful gospel preacher.

July 31 2004, 11:25 AM 

I have had contact with the Springer church of Christ for several years, and have known its preacher, brother Artie Collins, for several years.
I want to commend the Lord's church there for being faithful and sound in the faith. Brother Collins is a sound and faithful preacher of the gospel of Christ, which is the "power of God unto salvation" (Rom. 1:16).

 
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This Web Site

August 2 2004, 3:34 PM 

This web site is a tool of satan. I only hope and pray that everyone soon realizes this.

 
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120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
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Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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