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Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

July 6 2004 at 9:22 AM
anonymous 
from IP address 24.124.91.25

The elders at Southside have told us they are going down a new and different way which we have found is the "Purpose Driven Church/Community Church road". They used the book in a Sunday School class a few years ago. If anyone questions or resists they are "causing division and disunity".
People are threatened to be disfellowshiped if they talk to others about this.

Please Help!

 
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Anonymous

63.84.81.130

Re: Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

July 7 2004, 11:24 AM 

The Purpose Driven Cult begins with the Purpose Driven Life. A church in Murfreesboro, TN has gone through the process of teaching a virulent Calvinism where "GOD CONTROLS EVERY STEP OF YOUR LIFE." If your child died of Cancer it was because God CAUSED it to happen. The next step is to get you to ADULTERATE your covenant with Christ and sign COVENANTS. This presumes that someone in the church has a SUPERIOR authority and is able to FORCE YOU to agree to things like ELDER'S DECISION. If you protest anything then you are SUBORDINATE to something Madison guy calls "Celestial Beings." You need to read the background submitted by Donnie Cruz and begin warning about the vipers.

See the Don finto and Rubel Shelly claims.

http://www.piney.com/ Apostles.Finto.html

Here is a REAL LIFE horror story
http://www.piney.com/Purpose.Driven.Cult.html
> Our transition (change agents) involved an eleven year process that continues to this day and will continue for years to come. Our plan for transition involved a prescribed procedure in the following order:
    [Translate transition to CHANGE and the facilitators trained by once-Christian colleges as AGENTS.]
> Start a gradual worship style transition.
    [This means thieves break in and steal but no one is fooled. Jesus said that worship which God accepts is in the PLACE of your spirit: NO singers-musicians in the holy places. Can you really COOK a frog with a smile on its face if you warm the water gradually?]
> Focus on preaching for change to set the stage for determining your church purpose.
    [Don't take the surveys: they are lies. They depend on you being in submission and echoing the suggestions of the "survey."]
> Determine your church purpose: Our church purpose is "to grow in our relationship with Jesus Christ, His family, and the world, our neighbor."
    [Jesus built an ekklesia or the Greek synagogue. The church was a synagogue which added the Lord's Supper. Alfred Edersheim, a Jewish Convert, confirms the direct command that "There was never a PRAISE SERVICE in the Synagogue." The synagogue or "church in the wilderness" outlawed instruments and "making a joyful noise before the lord" because this was the warrior's panic music. Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try this on Jesus]
> Emphasize the church's responsibility to reach the unchurched.
    [Jesus gave that to the evangelists and not the church. People who adopt this purpose for the church, like Israel in Amos, intend to let the people hunger and thirst for the Word and go into captivity to people who INFILTRATE and DIVERT using the Purpose Driven Cult.]. Amos defines musical idolatry from Mount Sinai.
    http://www.piney.com/Amos-Five.html
> Launch a New Member's class.
    [They warn that the scam doesn't work well on old members. That is why if you are OLD and Bible literate they depend on you leaving.]
> Encourage your members to embrace the church purpose as their personal purpose.
    [Church vs You]
> Adopt new church by-laws so that the organizational concept and structure of the church comply with the biblical structure for a church.
    [That means, steal the property so that no one else can steal it back: even its owners. In Seattle, the cult leader had an attorney claim that members were financially liable if they excluded instruments: the Pastoress has an evening service which sounds like witchcraft. Religious guitarISTS were parasites and excluded from the church of Christ according to the Apostolic Constitutions c.ad 205.]
> Implement a covenant process for personal, spiritual growth of church members.
    [This means the circle cult: you must progress through concentric circles or baseball diamond, take courses, sign COVENANTS and slowly--determined by contribution--enter into the inner circle. Whether you sign or not you are a COMPLIMENTARIAN until you "gladly submit to women as elderesses." They HAVE even recommended divorces if the husband balks. You pledge allegiance to the "leaders"man-wife team and not to Christ.]
> Enlist the support of your senior adults.
    [They will HAVE to bend to the deliberate SOWING OF DISCORD OR LEAVE. At Madison that meant "make them think that they are on a train to Nashville but YOU have to switch their train to Kimmins and a STEALTH Purpose Driven seminar by Archie.]
> Transition the ministry of the church to the people and the maintenance of the church to the staff
    [That means the Staff USES the elders as just the shepherds of the professional staff which will grow to ride on the backs of widows. These effeminate driven cults fire the deacons and hire professional "ministers"and USE deaconesses who are easier to manipulate than deacons Hillcrest in Texas caught on and fired the STAFF.]
> Transition the education ministry to make it life-empowering.
    [You thought that Jesus and the Word had that job. The Purpose Driven Cult removes all DOCTRINE and feeds you, like Circe the holy whore using music, on dung.]
    See Max Lucado's PATTERN.
> Lead the church to decide to relocate (or expand).
    [YOU don't decide: you are manipulated or enslaved.]
> Pay for property.
    [Get the money while cunningly deceiving about the PURPOSE before you are outed.]
> Raise funds for the new facility.
    [Keep your agenda. secret. Yes, one MARK is the Christ denying TITHE.]
> Lead the church to change its name in preparation for the relocation.
    [remove Christ from the sign]
> Launch in-home community groups.
    [This is where selected change agents manipulate what Hitler called the "human material." Rubel Shelly uses Machiavelli to explain the SLOW process.]
> Graciously Release Those Members Who Choose To Leave
    [Their own property property: they break through and steal and peddle music-induced sexual impulses as "spiritual." WRONG spirit.]
> "Those who went out were not OF us." You must remember that the transition will not please everyone - that would be impossible. Do not abandon your vision to appease a person or even a group of persons who choose to leave. God will send other leaders to take their place.
    [Owner- Lamb, you are dispensable]


Ken Sublett

 
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anonymous

24.124.91.25

Re: Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

July 8 2004, 12:43 PM 

Actually that was a misunderstanding. There were no threats, people were just told not to talk to anyone about this.

 
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adelphoi

137.159.41.70

Re: Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

October 9 2004, 1:30 PM 

So why exactly are you talking about it when your elders asked you not to? Whatever happened to submitting to your elders?

 
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Joe

216.215.158.78

submit no matter what?

October 10 2004, 6:39 AM 

Adelphoi:
Do we submit to elders to our destruction?
Sunday School in Exile has a thread called the Test. We are to test everything, even what elders tell us,

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight

 
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baffled

216.78.248.147

Re: Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

October 10 2004, 10:15 AM 

Keeping secrets about a program to be intituted in a congregation is called "submitting to the elders?".

They had NO right to tell anyone to keep a secret concerning studies in the church.I don't care what they call themselves. Real elders serve, they have no authority to control!.GET REAL!

 
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Anonymous

137.159.41.70

Re: Southside Church of Christ, Lawrence, KS

October 25 2004, 5:20 PM 

Are you saying it is ok for members to gossip about their church and their leaders? To take their grievances public and air them in front of an unbelieving world? Where is the biblical authority for that???

 
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KansasGuy

65.40.184.138

Wow

October 28 2004, 11:39 PM 

I didn't know about this. I just started going there recently...I haven't heard this kind of talk yet, but I did hear a few liberal things in a Bible class...A few things that made me wonder. With the addition of this new preacher...Are things changing ...or is this trend towards Community Churches continuing here?

 
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texan

69.149.68.151

questions about southside

June 26 2007, 11:27 AM 

I notice that it has been awhile since anything was posted here, but I was wondering if anyone who is a part of this congregation could enlighten me on what is happening? I found the Southside website recently and encouraged some friends to visit there who have moved to Lawrence. Thanks.

 
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