We were in their worship service on sunday.While the fruit of the vine was being passed a sound of a small group was singing,I guess being led by the song leader?Two or three couples left the building before the lords supper was finished.Something just did not feel right.Then after the lords supper was over one of the groups elders said we will not do this kind of thing here.
Mack Lynn list the character of this group as NI.
Is this a normal practice of mixing the worship acts?
Please give more info if there is any.

Contrary to the urge to JUDAIZE or rather PAGANIZE the Lord's Supper, Paul shows that it is not like the FESTIVAL at Mount Sinai where we see the MUSICAL IDOLATRY. Neither, is the Lord's Supper a Jewish sacrificial TABLE MEAL where GOD eats. Paul said that THEY have no right to EAT at the Lord's Altar. Assuredly no Christian would even WANT to eat at the sacrificial meals of those SACRIFICING types of Lord Jesus Christ.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the SUFFERING of DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH for every man. Heb 2:9

For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Heb 2:10

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all OF ONE: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Heb 2:11

Saying, I will DECLARE thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I SING praise unto thee. Heb.2:12

Declare:

Apaggello (g518) ap-ang-el'-lo; from 575 and the base of 32; to announce: - bring word (again), declare, report, shew (again), tell.

Evangelists do not break down and have a JUBILATING fit when they EVANGELIZE. How can you tell the STORY of the Death of Jesus Christ and all that it meant with PORK BARBECUE in your teeth and the "children" spiritually uncovering themselves and women bringing MENSTRUAL blood to the altar?

Sing is:

Apalgeo (g524) ap-alg-eh'-o; from 575 and algeo , (to smart); to grieve out, i.e. become apathetic: - be past feeling

Paul said SPEAK the inspired TEXT and make the melody IN THE HEART. Melody is not a musical term but speaks of the TWANGING BOW of Apollo or the DESTROYER who appeared at the FEAST at Mount Sinai. Paul will use the RISING UP TO PLAY to repudate John Mark Hicks's view of the Lord's Supper as a TABLE FEAST WITH GOD.

And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Heb 2:13

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
that THROUGH DEATH DESTROY he might destroy HIM that had the power of death, that is, the DEVIL; Heb 2:14

REMEMBERING THE body or SOMA preaches or show's forth that the DEATH of Jesus is what DESTROYED the DESTROYER who is Satan or Apollo who INSISTED on musical jubilation with the MUSES and INSTRUMENTALISTS performing the role of SORCERY. "Eating with the gods" is the Babylonian teaching that the SACRIFICES were to FEED the gods. Jesus said: "Remember my death, evangelize and agonize with me JUST ONE HOUR?"

And DELIVER them, who through FEAR of death were all their lifetime SUBJECT to BONDAGE Heb 2:15

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the SEED of ABRAHAM. Heb 2:16

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren , that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Heb 2:17

The Lord's Supper is not to CELEBRATE our own senses but it is to remember that, in ways we do not understand, God DIED FOR OUR SINS. Yes, God can suffer and grieve over us.

Our Lord's Agony. Here is the BODY we are to WATCH with:

Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding SORRIFUL,even unto death: TARRY ye here, and watch with me. Matthew 26:38

Can you feature a Christian Disciple singing or clapping while Jesus was suffering in prayer or at the cross: the Levitical Musicians did it.

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What,
could ye not WATCH with me ONE HOUR? Matthew 26:40

Jubilate at the COMMUNION of Christ's DEATH and suffering and you fulfill the MUSICAL MOCKING of Jesus as THEY caused His MURDER. Offenses must come but WOE to those who MUSICALLY MOCK the DYING JESUS as He TEACHINGS or EVANGELIZES WITH US and as his SONG is grieving out His death so that WE can DISCERN His literal body mocked, suffering and dying. Only then can we live a RESURRECTED life by making His SPIRITUAL body or church the kingdom of Christ.

Paul DID NOT compare the Lord's Supper to the sacrificial altar under the Law of Moses where we FEED and entertain God as in Babylon. Rather, he compared a NON-DISCERNING feast to the TABLE MEAL at Mount Sinai where they ROSE UP TO PLAY in John Mark Hicks "theology." Paul will say that THEY have no right to eat at OUR ALTAR and assuredly only Judaizers preach eating the LEGALISTIC Sacrificial meal which THEY DIDN'T EAT unless they were of Aaron: Jesus WAS NOT an Aaronic Priest nor a JEWISH PRIEST. Jesus Christ was the SACRIFICIAL LAMB offered up by the Jews or rather Kenites or Cainites or Canaanites.

These people were DISRESPECTFUL of Jesus Chris and of those attempting to DISCERN the body in their own minds or spirits. If they get by with it they will attempt to TAKE OVER and perform ALL of your worship for you. You have a good elder who reverences God and is Bible literate.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

Ken Sublett

I was not surprised to discover that rumors were circulating over what happened during our observance of the Lord's Supper last month. The anonymous person who's post began this thread seems to have gotten the impression that a "group" was trying to take over the worship. This is not the case. The young man who was leading singing that morning simply got it in his head on a whim that it would be a good idea to sing "Holy Holy Holy" during the communion and when he did there was obvious confusion. A few began to join in, others sat silently and two families left the assembly. One of our elders then got up and announced that this was not a planned event and that it would not happen again. The young man then apologized and we went on with the service and have continued on as a church with no problems. That is until some of our members came across the above posts and were troubled by what they read.

Though I do not believe the Bible addresses the question that is being discussed about “combining acts of worship”, I will say that Lost River is not seeking to follow “Willow Creek” “Saddle Back” or any other community church model. As a preacher of the word I am pleased to be on the record of denouncing the sin of watering down the message to please the people - including the people who delight in the sin of airing local church flaps via anonymous emails. I also condemn altering Biblical standards in order to accommodate the whims of the culture and this includes the worldly impulse to be reactionary instead of Biblical which is a prominent characteristic of this website.

Dear Brother Lawerence,

Thank you for taking the time to give the correct information about the congregation. This is a good example of elders admitting to an honest mistake and correcting it. It is also a great example of the song leader acknowledging his mistake. God bless you all.

I have had some preacher friend from that area. One of my Professors in college was Basil Overton. I also attended several meetings held by Adrian Dorian.

We must all be aware of the fact that the way we do things in the worship will be noticed and talked about. Usually it is for good! In this case a mistake was made and a lot of people now know about it.

Brother Lawrence you write that you are a preacher. As you are aware many churches are following the broad way today. One knows not what to expect when visiting away from home. This broad has helped a lot of people by informing them of unsound practices by certain churches.

I would like to encourage you to write and post your messages here more often. Help us to warn and call people back to the simple truths of the Bible.

In Christian Love,

Jimmy

Please give the verses that command us to worship in a certain order. "Not to mix parts" I find this whole way of thinking just plan nutty.

Greetings in the Lord pmw,

I can try to help you even though I was not addressing that thought. I was addressing the preacher who did acknowledge that the event did happen and that it was a mistake. Both an elder and the song leader at this congregation acknowledge that it will not happen again.

Before I can address what you want to discuss I need to first know how you think a worship service should be conducted. I also would like to know if you are an elder, deacon, preacher, song leader or preacher in training. In other words why are you so interested in this?

In Christian Love,

Jimmy

I see no mistake. That man did nothing wrong. You people need to lighten up. This is where the CofC gets a bad reputation. Ever wonder why your church isn't growing?

I was a member there over twenty-five years,and I had to leave because of liberalism.Remember if it looks and sound like a liberal it more often than not is a liberal.

Someone should be responsible for actually monitoring which churches actually get added to the "watch list." This church has seemingly been "written up" for no reason at all.

They had a problem which was immediatly taken care of by their elders but before anyone knew about that, it was broadcast for the whole world to see.

To add insult to injury, Ken has to add his "thesis" on MUSICAL IDOLATRY proclaiming that "these people were DISRESPECTFUL of Jesus Christ" and that there was some sort of attempt to "TAKE OVER and perform ALL of your worship for you."

One email or phone call could have saved this congregation many unnecessary heartaches I am sure. Someone must take responsibility to investigate all initial allegations against a congregation before adding it to a list such as this, it is the responsible and Christian way to act. Shoot first and ask questions later is no way to operate.

For a website such as this one no news is actually good news! I hope you would agree.

Mitch, my job, from the beginning of this forum is to stuff some factual information into whatever slot has a problem. It is perfectly obvious that someone had organized a "team."

People may object to singing during the Lord's Supper but may not know why. I supplied some generic material which goes into all of the world with the musical bandits doing a hostile takeover. Now, they have some facts, and you can put it in your outline file when you run out.

I harp on music because that is about the only thing that will allow the "wreck" to keep on running. I can assure you that most preachers are touchy about music because they know that it is their ace in the hole. If you shut down the unlawful form, the unlawful content and the unlawful purpose of modern SANGING then no one will come to hear the unlawful sermon from an unlawful preacher taking up an unlawful collection.

By the way, your local namesake let his preacher person bring in a Purpose Driven Cult promoter (I know the guy). I am sure that they didn't understand the INFILTRATE and DIVERT scam. Well, the preacher gave up and Hohenwald hired him or at least gave him a "title." That gave him permission with the tacit approval of the elders to try the same thing at Hohenwald. Well, they leaped from approaching 350 when the last preacher left to less than 200 and the loss of ALL respect in the entire county. Now, I hear that he is leading singing in Lobeville. Is that your neck of the woods?

I have noticed that preachers rapidly gain a resentment of anyone KNOWING anything about the Bible. It may be too early in your career to ascend to the anointed stage.

Ken

We have good friends that are members there.As any church they have had problems.One group left this congregation to plant a group that will not use the name church of Christ,it has about 60 members now.Also a group of 30 year members left,why they did not know.Also sometime in the last few months one of their elders left.So we may need to have concern for them and pray for them to be strong in faith with their troublesome times.

Maybe Mitch would come up and tell you that music is NOT idolatry and calm everyone's nerves and all of the bandits can return when he tells you: NO PROBLEM!

Mitch went a bet wacky when he denied that the church I left had problems. Maybe Mitch is on the MUSIC or Purpose Driven Team. Sounds mysterious that he is so anxious to blame me.

The WOMEN'S CIRCUIT has spread the news that Piney caused all of the problems when Piney had left at least five years earlier and fought major illnesses and didn't know what happened until the WRECK CRASHED all over the county. Mitch probably heard that from his good friends.

Maybe Mitch would tell us his position on MUSIC so the people won't get INFILTRATED and DIVERTED as this church seems to have been.

Ken,

I simply asked that the moderators of this website hold to Christian principals before broadcasting to the world that a church has a problem. Maybe this church has one maybe it does not, I don't know. From the information the "eyewitness" gave, the problem was squashed on the local level by the God ordained eldership of that congregation.

Is one email or phone call to much to ask? That is all it would have took to contact an elder of this congregation and investigate the situation.

Ken, I really don't know what to make of the statement you made concerning my "namesake"? at Hohenwald. I have no "namesake" there unless there is someone who just happens to share my name. In my mind, and most everyone else's a namesake is someone from whom you get your name like a parent or grandparent. This is not the case. To my knowledge, I don't know anyone at this congregation.

Ken, I would appreciate that you refrain from assuming things about me and implying things simply because I took exception with somthing you did in haste.

I hope you have me confused with someone else and that an apology is forth coming.

You probably have forgotten all of the doubt about problems in Hohenwald? I am sure we can find your posts in the archieves.

The namesake is in another congregaton: he bears your name but I didn't say that he was related. Up here everyone is someone's cousin.

At any rate, the problem is created by the MUSICAL BANDITS and are sustained by a machine gun attack on anyone who won't dance while they pipe. As long as that persists I will keep posting. I frequently apply the antidote before it hits and if WILL hit over and over until the faithful are driven out of the churches gone wacko.

Ken,
I will save you the time. I make no apologies for being cautious when it comes to making such serious accusations in a public format. I only made one post to my knowledge on the Hohenwald thread. It follows in its entirety.

Help Me Out! December 14 2003, 12:22 AM

Kenneth,
I am a preacher in close proximity to the Hohenwald congregation and so help me, as hard as I have tried, I cannot gather from your posts or from reading on your website just exactly what it is that the Hohenwald church is guilty of doing.

I'm not saying they are innocent, but for those of us not versed in your language and sayings (eg. Zoe, etc.) please lay it all out in a coherent format so that we may know what it is that you are so upset about.

I think that it goes without saying that if a church is guilty of apostasy then we would want to avoid such but for the life of me I cannot grasp what you are trying to say.

I don't mean to be harsh but it is a serious matter to make such claims of apostasy without specific's.

Again, I make no apology for my post. When I contacted you personally you were much more open and I understood in some part at least, some of what was happening at this congregation. I have since learned, from a different source, the facts concerning what is happening in this congregation and the cause for concern. It is rather hard for me to interpret what you are trying to say in many of your posts. Call me simple. Just the facts and some bible verses will do.

I still wish you would clarify what you meant by the "namesake" poke you shot my way. I am still having trouble figuring that one out. Maybe you could just email me and give me the name? I have no cousin, no brother, no realative, no friend, no significant other, no cohort. . .

You have tried, I believe, in some way to discredit me but there is no substance to your claim. I truly believe you are just confused as to the facts. If so that is OK just say so.

You guys are weird. So what! So someone leads a song during the Lord's Supper.

Have you ever read your Bible while partaking of the Communion?

We have too many pharisees running around out there.

Let's get back to the mission of the church. Teaching the lost about Jesus!!

thanks,

Tim

My bank just went to on line banking. I guess everything is getting liberal. Yeah you tell that liberal youngster if he feels it necessary to up and praise Christ during the Lord's supper he needs to take it outside so as not to bother anybody.
I'm glad we have it everything figured out in a nice little package. Who was that nit picking bunch in the bible? oh yeah, pharisees. They weren't bad guys really. They started out as wanting to be the best they could be in the religion business and got carried away with themselves. Funny, Jesus sorta felt they were making a mountain out of molehill. This one is really a stretch guys. Way out there.

The Pharisees were those guys who MADE UP their rituals and sermons and composed long prayers specificially so they would NOT have to teach the Word of God AS IT WAS WRITTEN. And for PERFORMING religious rituals they wanted THE WIDOWS to let them eat them out of their houses.

The Scribes wrote songs, sermons, prayers, law briefs, poems, took notes at everything and SOLD them.

The Hypocrites as a bit of research will show you were the SECTARIAN performers. Sure, they performed religion by ACTING. These were all sectarian Pharisees.

However, let me tell you something, it was the MEGA-CHURCH HOUSE guys who performed the musical rituals. As far as I know no Pharisee would stoop to singing, clapping and playing an instrument. Unless, of course, they were the left over Dionysus worshipers who PIPED hoping to get Jesus to sing and dance and GET INITIATED.

There is no remote MUSICAL CONCEPT in the EKKLESIA which is a school of the Bible. Singing as an ACT was added in the year 373. All of the PROOF TEXT the liars use for the word PSALLO do not grasp that ALL of the examples used point to older males plucking the harp string to seduce a young boy serving as a "minister of the gods."

When Jesus meets in the 'congregation' made up of the small groups who come to 'learn of Me' the word SING means to "grieve out a hymn." The Lord's Supper is to REMEMBER or show forth or preach the DEATH of Christ.

Those who sing during that solemn occasion fall into the Nadab and Abihu Trap

Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

MOCKERS are part of the end-time MARK as well as the singers, musicians and craftsmen meaning "theater builders or stealings and stage managers."

Their LIGHTS or lampstands have been BLOWN OUT by their own breath (spirit) and they will go back into hell where they were reserved FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS.

If one looks hard enough he can error in many actions during our day. Later in these ramblings we see the poor fellow who tried to worship apologized for making an uproar. I think some folks on this site need to stop going to church at all, as you can't take and accept the fact some honest mistakes can happen.
Actually it could be worse. The Lord's Supper while a sacred and important part of worship is one of the easier things to put together. Even a new member can assemble grape juice in cups not make a mess and be considered Dependable. While many CofC's come in all shapes and sizes these days, the weekly observance if one of the few things we can depend on within our body. All the fuss is about a few who were offended the service didn't look like what they expected it to. Nobody said a word about the preacher, is he any good. The song leader? Was he on target. Were the greeters greetin'. If the preacher was on target and the song leader hadn't upped and put together a gospel praise team quartet, it could have been so much worse.
Can we let this one go now.

Mack means by NI Non-Institutional.Years ago we called em "Anti"
However I would find it hard to believe that this would ever happen in one of their services.But I think of what happened to Farmers Branch.I pray this will not be a repeat.

Pray for them.

I was reading the transcripts of a gathering of a rogue band of change agents in Jerusalem. In one of the men's account, they admited observing communion in the middle of a glutonous "feast." He says they sang a hymn immediately after passing out real wine. See splinter.com/whineaboutwine. Can you believe the sacred communion from the common table? They then, by their account, abruptly went out to the garden to fellowship. They went to have a "mountain top" experience by praying together all night. They couldn't do it of course and all fell asleep. Thankfully the authorities broke the whole thing up.

We must do all we can to stop the transformational changes that this man could have in our church members lives. I have no problem with these men it is obvious the destructive leader who is at fault. Hopefully our bretheren will not find out about any of this. Maybe we could confuse them with never ending dialogue about greek and middle eastern hedonism? 'just a thought.

But don't believe me, read all about it in Matthew 26.

allan

Allan, I have always wondered how peaceful it would be to be Biblically illiterate and mockingly corrupt: does it feel good?

First, you will note that this was a TIME and they did not participate in a gluttonous FEAST with ALCOHOL. Unleaven means that for the Passover they searched their houses in silence and with a candle to make sure that NO LEAVEN was even in the house. That would exclude wine in any state of ferment. sure, they could preserve grape juice all year long--for several years--just like my mom. It has been observed that the use of fermented wine was used by the LEADERS who advised everyone to get so drunk they could not tell one person for another.

Now, you should grasp that this was not a HERETICAL change movement: they were going to do in PRIVATE homes what all of the Jews in Jerusalem were doing at the same time. Even if they did something DISFUNCTIONAL no one would have seen them.

NOW the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; Matt 26:27

For this is my BLOOD of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matt 26:28

Now, rather than representing the blood of a real animal which had been replaced by the BABYLONIAN Passover, this would represent the BLOOD of Jesus Christ. Now, you must understand that the DRINK OFFERING might be fermented but they POURED IT OUT at the base of the altar. Therefore, we are told by their traditions that when Messiah came the fifth cup would be unfermented. Jesus called it the fruit of the vine and not the fruit of the vat. They didn't use SHOT GLASSES but each person would, if fermented, get drunk. And now representing BLOOD it would be "the fruit of the vine" or it WOULD BE poured out.

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom. Matt 26:29

The fruit of the VINE means that it is NOT the fruit of the VAT. Jesus would have repudiated His role as priest, prince and king if He drank any wine. If you will look at the WHOLE story, Jesus didn't drink.

Next, you need some history lessons. The Passover was a roasted lamb: remember? Now, this had been CHANGED to regular bread and FERMENTED WINE where even little kids were BOUND to get drunk. The Jews with Esther's help got around this and got the enemy drunk. Thereafter, the Jews RESERVED a fifth cup of UNFERMENTED wine. It was set at the place where they anticipated that Elijah or John the Baptist would announce the arrival of Messiah.

Therefore, AFTER the passover the Lord's Supper was instituted. This is why Scripture says FRUIT OF THE VINE rather than wine.

During this event the SOP which has the base of MELODY people hallucinate means MUSIC. Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to ALARM or TRIUMPH OVER Jesus. That word means to "blow instruments and make a joyful noise before the Lord." This was not worship but the Warrior's War Chant trying to defeat the enemy without having to kill them. Fittingly the Judas Bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces" or wind instruments and is ALWAYS pictured attached to a flute case. Jesus sent Judas a "musical" signal and SATAN came into him. If you grasp the pagan history, even the Jews believed that instruments when played caused the "demons" to enter into the musician.

Therefore, they HYMNED one of the songs.

And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives. Matt 26:30

Because when Messiah came, the FIFTH CUP would announce Him, it would be unfermented and not consumed until the kingdom or church began to meet, we know from Jewish history that they would sing PSALM 137 which speaks of "hanging up our harps." They humned or sang a Psalm as an ODE. The word ODE further defines PSALMOS as "in the style of Hebrew cantillation." Now, isn't it amazingly amazing that Paul commanded SPEAK and ODE and did not say SANG as in MUSICATE. You know, SPEAK as in SPEAK as in CANTILLATE.

Now, if you do the singy-clappy gender juggling Paul ASSURES you that Jesus will NOT be in your midst.

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. Heb.2:12

None of the words used of SPEAKING the revealed Word of God are remotely related to MUSIC. When Jesus sings with us He is SAD beyond our comprehension: still suffering for your sins.

Apalgeo (g524) ap-alg-eh'-o; from 575 and algeo, (to smart); to grieve out, i.e. become apathetic: - be past feeling

You know we UNpagans just don't do the singy-clappy when we are SHOWING FORTH the Death of Christ and HE is still grieving for our sins with a sadness which must echo out into space for ever.

Now, talking the common tour of the mount of olives would NOT be some kind of RADICALISM which you could use to make your point. What WAS your point. But, you miss the point of GRIEVING OUT A HYMN

Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. Matthew 26:38

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. Matthew 26: 39

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not WATCH FOR ME ONE HOUR? Matthew 26: 40

Every first day of the week God in Christ GRIEVES with sweat and blood for YOUR sins even as He knew that Peter would betray Him. The cross paid it all but the GRIEVING for humanity which CANNOT watch for one hour goes on and on and rattles all of the gallaxies and he knows the NAMES of those who get a kick out of MOCKING Him for that one hour.

Allan, would you stay awake for that FELLOWSHIP PERIOD? Allans GREAT CONFESSION WHICH IS TERMINAL:

Thankfully the authorities broke the whole thing up.

Ken it is not blasphemy but rather irony. I made an illustration to comment on this thread by paralleling what I think the Jewish authorities would have message boarded about Jesus. The obvious and errant assessment of what was actually was happening at the last supper was not meant to defame or lessen the name of Jesus. It was meant to encourage some thought.

Jesus made similar comments about himself when those that He was trying to teach did not know Him. Ken you very studiously and meticulously amplified your observation of what I was trying to say but you missed the main point. With review of your previous posts that is not ironic.

allan

So five or six people are not happy with what is happening here at Lost River Church.Please feel free to leave. I am sure you can find another church to cause problems in.



In Christian Love

When I attended WKU, I used to attend the church when it was at 12t ST. The past couple of years, various preachers have said that Lost River wasn't doing the right thing, but they wouldn't say what Lost River was doing. Can anyone speculate at to what people are saying about Lost River?

Like you john I was a member while at WKU.I have friends still there,at least for now.They say the group will not stand up for truth anymore,and the youth of the group seem to be running things.Please pray for them as they still have I think 5 good elders,however several of the older,stronger members have left.Some them even to join denominational groups.


Praying


Amy

We're not about to leave. Standing up for what the Bible teaches is our obligation, although it's becoming harder and harder to do at Lost River. Unfortunately, there are more and more members with the "community church" mentality and the elders are doing nothing to correct this deadly path we are headed down. One of our deacons wives wants a fellowship hall for social events as posted on pleonast.com. The immodest dress is disgusting and offensive. Irreverance floods the air with the laxness and casualness of our worship service. We will continue to stand for what we believe the Bible teaches against such things irregardless of the hurdles that continue to be thrown our way.

What's posted by the deacons wife and where?

We are here for the holiday,talking with our family and our friends.They do not know what to do.It seems that letters to the elders,meetings with the elders,talking with their preachers,have had no response.False Doctrine and sin will not be addressed one on one or from the pulpit.The greatest disturbance for them is Maxkingism has taken root and found good ground.This error has not been responded to yet if it will be at all.There are at least 60 family tired from the battle.Please what can they do?If you know folks or have family there please call them and encourage them,pray for them,before this local body is ripped apart even more. study(1 Tim 1:18-20)

I am a member at LR and I love this church,I did not know what one of my close friends had been working on teaching me.Thankfully I was given a book by Wayne Jackson on this doctrine.I see now how false it is.As I asked her about this she just said she still believed it and even some of our elders did also.This may explain why it has not been spoken about from our pulpit.

Jesus said "Every idle word that men shall speak,they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment"(Matt.12:36)This did not happen in A.D.70,but is yet future!


I am sure with the good elders you have,they will respond with fast action to this false doctrine.

different members have spoken to the elders and the elders feel no urgency since it's only opinion!

We will see who wins this battle.There are more of us here now who have a progressive spirit.Only a few more old traditionalist left to run off.Ha!Ha! The countdown is on.

Your name does not fit your statement about so-called "traditionalists" at Lost River. I will not hide behind a message board name and toss out injuring and nasty comments. If one is truly "spirit guided" they will certainly not try to "run off" anyone from the church. Your comments are divisive and polarizing. If you have a problem with me or anyone else at Lost River then it is your obligation to go to them with the problem, not air it on message board which is public. Please pray about your comments and that you will have the proper love a Christian should have for his or her brethren. I encourage you to post an apology as soon as possible.
I have been a member at Lost River for over 8 years, like any church we have problems. But families don't air their problems in public. They take care of them in the family. That's the way God's Word shows us. And that's the way I pray we will.
If being a "traditionalist" is equated with being a first century Christian, or being "progressive" is equated with being a first century Christian, then just call me a progressive traditionalist!!

Your post explicitly exposes your purpose--to run off people who stand firm in the authority of God's Word. What do you hope to accomplish by doing this besides continuing to sew discord?

You cannot believe a FALSE TEACHING without it having implications. Edward E. Stevens is honest enough to tell you what is COMING. They can do different music and NO MORE BAPTISM. They teach the same paganism the Baptists have promoted that there was the CHRISTIAN dispensation and then there is the POST CHRISTIAN period where baptism is NOT required and you are saved by faith only. They believe that new dispensation began just before A.D. 70.

One of the things Jesus died to remove was LADED BURDENS or UNSTABILIZING INFLUENCES. NOTE what they do to DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD:

The AD 70 view has been somewhat of an unstabilizing force in regard to what practices are to be continued after AD 70, for doubt has arisen in the minds of many regarding what firmly established pre-AD 70 practices were to continue to be practiced ..

Some of the questioned practices have been the Lord's supper, elders, and even baptism.

The problem is that a new point of emphasis is always unsettling at least for a time; in fact, one never knows how far others may apply his new issue, or how far, for that matter, he himself may finally be forced to go.

Machiavelli or Hitler could not have said it better. Most of the postmoderns who reject 2,000 years of loyalty to the Bible BOAST about dissociating or introducing schizophrenia in people by BAD MOUTHING what they already believe. That makes it easier to introduce something IRRATIONAL.

One of the SCAMS is the just plain BAPTIST DOGMA:

7. The Scheme of Redemption Has Been Consummated. What does it mean when we say the scheme of redemption has been consummated? What did Adam and Eve lose?

Calvinism teaches that ALL became personal sinners as a RESULT of the sin of Adam. However, sin entered INTO THE WORLD and NOT into Adam . Abel, Seth, Noah and many others were righteous people who practiced righteousness. No person is ever said to be LOST because of Adam. Only those who committed THEIR OWN SINS were called sinners.

The same is true after Christ: The work of Christ removed the POWER of sin by REMOVING it at baptism. ONLY those who were obedient to the gospel invitation were SAVED. Jesus didn't REDEEM all people but made it possible.

Was not the purpose of Christ to restore what was lost? Did He do it? Have we got that restored paradise, or are we still waiting for Him to redeem us from the curse?

The Tree of Life (Rev. 2:7) has been restored.

This is lying reasoning: Redemption does not put us BACK into the GARDEN of EDEN. The TREE may be in PARADISE or the unseen realm much like a beautiful garden but WE did not ALL return to the garden when Jesus ascended to heaven.

Like all wackos, they quote verses out of context whereas the context says that they are LIARS.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence THOU art FALLEN, and repent, and do the first works; or ELSE I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy CANDLESTICK out of his place, except thou repent.

John is writing symbolic language to churches in various stages of degeneration. The CANDLESTICK was never in PARADISE but in the Holy Place as a type of the body or church of Christ. This symbolized the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD which would rest on Jesus Christ as the BRANCH. The Candlestick is the WORD OF GOD of which Jesus said:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

Jn.6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

On the other very large contrary, when we go to HEAVEN and not back into paradise:

Re.22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

This means that the MAX KINGISTS hallucinate that THEY DON'T NEED THE WORD OF GOD because they are ALREADY in the presence of THE light.

The church lived in the realm of the NICOLAITAINS: that means where the CLERGY dominates the LAITY. They practiced some of the rituals practiced in churches dominated by those who would SNEAK in and steal the church houses of widows.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Only when we OVERCOME, which was NOT in AD 70, then we will be able to EAT the Word of God: the Living Word is in a Spiritual real but the WRITTEN word is to be taught IN THE CHURCH if you OVERCOME the HERETICS.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him THAT overcometh WILL I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

WE now eat of the TREE of life in the CHURCHES: the TREE OF LIFE is in the midst of the Paradise of God. Common grammar knows that WE are not IN the paradise of God: the TREE is there AND His word SUPPLIES the food and drink IN THE CHURCHES.

John is writing PROPHECY and not HISTORY:

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of HEAVEN saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be WITH them, and be their God.

Those who hallucinate that they have the PRESENCE OF GOD and are REIGNING with Him we USUALLY lock up.

IF you think that your child or mother died: just forget it. DEATH has been destroyed so DON'T BURY THEM?

The last enemy (death - 1 Cor. 15:26; Rev. 20:14) has been conquered.

If death has been conquered THEN Jesus Christ CANNOT BE REIGNING in a "kingdom." Have these heretics DIED and been RESURRECTED in a POST KINGDOM PERIOD?

1 Cor 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming.

1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule, and all authority and power.

1 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1 Cor 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

If they are correct THERE IS NO KINGDOM and they cannot be little KINGITES. Death here is PHYSICAL death and resurrection. I wonder where Paul can be found? Moses? He must be around somewhere. Why doesn't He identify himself.

New style WORSHIP TEAMS Intend to make you sing and clap and weep and cry. Why DO they do that if YOU don't cry with and for people still suffering under Satan and his CHANGE AGENTS in elderships?

Rev 21:4 And God SHALL wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there SHALL BE no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I WILL GIVE unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh SHALL INHERIT all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Elders are MANDATED to "teach that WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT." Jesus says that those who SPEAK ON THEIR OWN are SONS OF THE SERPENT and THEY will burn in hell.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If what they say is true and THEY are already living in PARADISE and do not suffer any of the woes of life TELL THEM TO EAT THE LITERAL JESUS CHRIST and quit STEALING FROM WIDOWS AND HONEST WORKING PEOPLE.

IF THEY TEACH THIS HERESY AND TAKE PAY THEY ARE CRIMINALS. QUIT FEEDING HIM AND HE WILL GO AWAY. YOU ARE CO-SINNERS IF YOU FEED HIS FACE.

Max Kingism NUMBER TWO

There are many IMPLICATIONS of Max Kingism which makes a church of Christ NOT remotely the church of Christ anymore. Many key doctrines have to be repudiated. Anyonw has a right to teach this false dogma but they should have the minimal ethics to leave and go build their own congregation by REVEALING up front what they are being "culted" into accepting--even if it hurts all of your rational brain cells.

The praeterist archives picks what it wants to prove that John Chrysostom claimed that the all prophecies have been fulfilled and the resurrectrion is past:

Chrysostom (On Victory over Death/Sin/Devil)

"O God of spirits and of all flesh, who hast trampled down death and overthrown the devil, and given life to thy world,

If you are a careful reader you will see that this his liturgy as a PRAYER:

do thou, the same Lord, give rest to the souls of thy servants, names, who have fallen asleep, in a place of light, in a place of verdure, in a place of repose, whence all sickness, sorrow and sighing are fled away. Pardon every sin committed by them in word or deed or thought, for thou art a good God and Lover of man, for there is no man that liveth and sinneth not, for thou only art without sin and thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy word is truth."

[2] "Remembering this saving commandment and all those things which came to pass for us: the cross, the grave, the resurrection on the third day, the ascension into heaven, the sitting down at the right hand, the second and glorious coming again."

[3] "Attend, O Lord Jesus Christ our God, from thy holy dwelling place and from the glorious throne of thy kingdom, and come to sanctify us, O thou that sittest with the Father above, and that are invisibly present here with us. And vouchsafe, by thy strong right hand to impart to us thine immaculate body and thy precious blood, and through us, to all thy people."

Even simple minded people can see that whatever Jesus fulfilled, it CAME TO PASS FOR US. However, WE have not been resurrected or ascended. The TRUE Chrystom had NOT been resurrected spiritually or literally several hundred years later. None of the people who make "suitable" remarks for praeterists spoke believed that the SECOND COMING was in a.d. 70 other than "coming in judgment" upon Jerusalem.

John Chrysostom (347-407):

"For what position can be loftier or more secure than that in which a man has only one anxiety, 'How he ought to please God?' Hast thou seen the shipwrecks, Theodore, of those who sail upon this sea? Wherefore, I beseech thee, avoid the deep water, avoid the stormy billows, and seize some lofty spot where it is not possible to be captured.

There is a resurrection, there is a judgment, there is a terrible tribunal WHICH AWAITS us WHEN we have gone out of this world;

'we must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ'" (St. Chrysostom, An Exhortation To Theodore After His Fall, Letter II, 4).

"As then if we see any one sleeping we are not disturbed or distressed, expecting that he WILL certainly get up: even so when we see any one dead, let us not be disturbed or dejected for this also is a sleep, a longer one indeed, but still a sleep.

By giving it the name of slumber He comforted the mourners and overthrew the accusation of the unbelievers. If you mourn immoderately over him who has departed you will be like that unbeliever who has no hope of a resurrection. He indeed does well to mourn, inasmuch as he cannot exercise any spiritual wisdom concerning things to come:

but thou who hast received such strong proofs CONCERNING THE FUTURE LIFE, why dost thou sink into the same weakness with him? Therefore it is written 'now concerning them that are asleep we would not have you ignorant that ye sorrow not even as others who have no hope'" (Chrysostom: Omily On The Paralytic Let Down Through The Roof).

The preacher has NO AUTHORITY and the following EXHAUSTS the authority of the elders who MUST "teach that which has been taught or YOU are under no obligation to follow them."

2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Tim 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

2 Tim 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

According to Paul and all of church history THERE IS NO LAW OF GIVING. Therefore, you pay the bills and if you are ignored then you are PERFECTLY FREE to give your surplus to the DESTITUTE and not one penny to the INSTITUTE.

MAX KINGISM NUMBER THREE

I am supplying this resource in BULK VOLUME because you have a serious problem on your hands. As too often the case, the elders are behind driving away the sheep.

The Preterist Archive demonstrates the common practice of taking WHAT THEY WANT from scholars and doing so are LIARS because they have no intention in presenting the facts. They QUOTE many scholars to prove their heresy but I have looked at many of them and they simply take passages which have NOTHING to do with a.d. 70 and fool the fools. I invite anyone to submit any argument which proves that Jesus literally returned in a.d. 70 other than permissively to "tear down" the last Jewish MEGA-CHURCH.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/m/mathetes_superstition-jews.html

A.D. 70 Quote "The theology and writings of Aphrahat draw extensively on the Old Testament reflecting a religious milieu of 4th century Mesopotamia in which Christianity was seeking to define itself as separate from Judaism.

(Aphrahat) praises Jesus Christ as the divine conqueror of deathand fulfillment of all types and prophecies of the Old Law." (ODB Vol. 1, p. 128)

While Jesus fulfilled all of the law and prophets, he did not FULFIL his own prophecies or those made by Paul and John. While He conquered death, only those who are baptized into THAT FORM OF DOCTRINE and live faithful until death will be saved. They will die, go into the grave and not live physically until the SECOND ADVENT. These guys cannot find anyone who says that the SECOND ADVENT happened in a.d. 70.

Their PARTIAL quote is from The Demonstrations (c.345) "Bishop of the monastery of Mar Mattai"

A.D. 70 Quote §16. Quote: The enemies of Hezekiah became dead corpses; and Jesus, His enemies shall be cast down beneath His feet. Hezekiah was of the family of the house of David; and Jesus was, in the flesh, the son of David. Hezekiah said:

Peace and truth shall be in my days;(4) and Jesus said to His disciples:--My peace I leave with you.(5) Hezekiah prayed, and was healed of his sickness;

Jesus prayed, and arose from the abode of the dead. Hezekiah after he arose from his sickness added to his years; and Jesus after His Resurrection received great glory.

Hezekiah, after the prolongation of his life, death was given dominion over him; but Jesus, after that He rose, death shall not again have dominion over Him for ever.

That is true but WE did not rise from the dead. By simply reading their PROOF TEXT you can see that they are trying to fool the fools. However, I have added more notes from Aphrahat because they accuse the Max Kingists of not being honest enough to quote facts.

WILL THE REAL, HONEST APHRAHAT stand up and point a BONEY FINGER at the liars. I have posted the whole document here. And he agrees with Paul about Eve.

http://www.piney.com/FathAphrahatDemon.html

§6. Therefore, brethren, because we know and have seen that from the beginning

it was through woman that the adversary had access unto men,
and to the end he will accomplish it by her- [Eve is Zoe or Lucifer in false religions]
for she is the weapon of Satan, and through her he fights against the champions.
Through her he makes music at every time, for she became as a harp for him from the first day.

For because of her the curse of the Law was established, and because of her the promise unto death was made. For with pangs she bears children and delivers them to death. Because of her the earth was cursed, that it should bring forth thorns and tares.

The Babylon Harlot is defined in Revelation which defines the end-time ATTACK by the females and effeminate. The end is their return to SHEOL with the music and musicians. If you are under attack by new styles of MUSIC it may be the MARK that Jesus has removed your candlestick:

Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

All of the performance preachers, singers, musicians and the craftsmen who were "theater builders and stage managers" GLADLY confessed to performing SORCERY. Because they produced nothing of value they are universally equated to PARASITES.

Accordingly, by the coming of the offspring of the Blessed Mary the thorns are uprooted, the sweat wiped away, the fig-tree cursed, the dust made salt, the curse nailed to the cross, the edge of the sword removed from before the tree of life and it given as food to the faithful, and Paradise promised to the blessed and to virgins and to the saints.

So the fruit of the tree of life is given as food to the faithful and to virgins, and to those that do the will of God has the door been opened and the way made plain. And the fountain flows and gives drink to the thirsty. The table is laid and the supper prepared. The fatted ox is slain and the cup of redemption mixed. The feast is prepared and the Bridegroom at hand, soon to take his place.

The apostles have given the INVITATION and the called are very MANY. O ye chosen, prepare yourselves. The light has shone forth both bright and fair, and garments not made with hands are prepared. The marriage cry is at hand. The tombs WILL BE OPENED (NOT YET in c. 345) and the treasures laid bare.

The dead SHALL rise and the living SHALL fly to meet the King. The banquet is laid, and the cornet SHALL encourage and the trumpets shall hasten (them).

The Watchers of heaven SHALL speed, and the throne shall be set for the Judge. He that laboured SHALL rejoice, and he that was unprofitable SHALL fear. He that did evil SHALL not draw nigh unto the Judge. Those on the right hand shall exult, and those on the left shall weep and wail. Those that are in the light shall be glorified, and those that are in the darkness shall groan that they may moisten their tongue. Grace HAS GONE BY, and justice reigns. There is NO repentance in that place. Winter is at hand; the summer has passed away. The Sabbath of rest has come; toil has ceased. Night has passed away; the light reigns.

OUR version notes that when these things happen GRACE WILL HAVE GONE BY. Therefore, Praeterists INSIST that there is NO GRACE but only JUDGMENT. Maybe they are just lying? Or perhaps they are CALVINISTS.

Note that APHRAHAT always speaks FUTURE TENSE in the year a.d. 345. He knew NOTHING about Max King.

As to death, its sting is broken and it is swallowed up in life.

Those that return to Sheol shall weep and gnash their teeth, [All performance preachers, singers, musicians who are functionaries of the harlot]
and those that go to the Kingdom shall rejoice and exult and dance and sing praises.

For those that take not wives shall be ministered to by the Watchers of heaven. Those that preserve chastity shall rest in the sanctuary of the Most High. The Only Begotten Who is from the bosom of His Father shall cause all the solitaries to rejoice. There is there neither male nor female, neither bond nor free, but they all are the children of tile Most High.

And all the pure virgins who are betrothed to Christ SHALL light their lamps and with the Bridegroom shall they go into the marriage chamber.

[If you PERFORM worship for others or LEAD them into worship as a singer, clapper or musician then YOU have no OIL (Spirit) for your lamps and YOU WILL NOT go into the wedding.]

All those that are betrothed to Christ are far removed from the curse of the Law, and are redeemed from the condemnation of the daughters of Eve; for they are not wedded to men so as to receive the curses and come into the pains.

They take no thought of death, because they do not deliver children to him. And in place of a mortal husband, they are betrothed to Christ. And because they do not bear children, there is Given to them the name that is better than sons and daughters.

And instead of the groans of the daughters of Eve, they utter the songs of the Bridegroom. The wedding-feast of the daughters of Eve continues for but seven days; but for these (virgins) is the Bridegroom who departs not for ever. The adornment of the daughters of Eve is wool that wears out and perishes, but the garments of these wear not out. Old age withers the beauty of the daughters of Eve, but the beauty of these shall be renewed in the TIME of the RESURRECTION.

This is c. 345: much later than A.D. 70.

On the bones of Elisha one dead man revived,

but when our Saviour descended to the abode of the dead,
He quickened many and raised them up.
And many are the signs that the Spirit of Christ wrought, which the Prophets received from Him.

That was not in a.d. 70 but during the time His body was in the tomb:

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 Pet 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

If you are a praeterist or Kingite then BAPTISM is not something you should practice.

When people tell you something or quote a verse INSIST that they do so within the context. And when they quote a church scholar, for goodness sake, 'scholars' make a bad habit of quoting scholars who quote scholars and thereby LIE about older scholars.

If you have a QUOTED verse or from a scholar they MISUSE you may e-mail and I will research. Ken

The Problem is with James Stuart Russell's False Doctrine.Funny thing is I think this is where Max gets it from.

Is this the same guy who has the book "The Parousia"?

Yes. Here is the whole book:

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1878_russell_parousia/russell_parousia_01b.html

I think the recorded writers still existed after ad 70 and others--those who claimed to have known John--and in the first and second centuries and they were still looking for a long period before Jesus literally returned. I believe that someone would have recorded the second return which is not a secret return in the view of the other Russell of Jehovah's witness who changed his teachings when Jesus didn't return in 1914 or whenever:

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 18:1 AND he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought alway to pray, and not to faint;

Yeah it is.

Still not condemed from our pulpit.Why?

Leave now before you soul is lost.Your battle can not be overcome with more love for false teaching.Funny how false teachers always say if we just loved each other more this would all be ok.

I am sad that the body of Christ is being torn apart. What false teacher said if we only had more love? Who is teaching anything false at LR COC? I have heard nothing being taught that is false.

You said...
"Funny how false teachers always say if we just loved each other more this would all be ok."

Jesus said...
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
John 13:34-35

Yeah it is "funny"

Following Jesus is not about sitting comfortably in a building.

What we hope to accomplish?
*Make this church one
*Let the spirit pilot the way
*Be open to new ideas
*Serve our community
*Fellowship with other believers
*Uproot old Traditions
*Unseat the stigma the world has about the cofc
*Shepherd all to worship God more
*Love our brothers and sisters
*Abolish negative teaching
*Center on Jesus
*Preach Jesus not brotherhood issues



Thank You.

Brethren (?),
It is hard to believe that brethren so willingly participate in such gossip. Just because something might be true does not mean it isn't gossip. Paul wrote to "mind your own business", Every congregation of the Lord's church is autonimous and we have no right to interfere with what's going on there. We should put so much effort into teaching the lost and stay out of other congregations business. The elders at Lost River have everything under control. I'm sorry I came upon this website and read so much gossip. I will no longer participate in such sin.

So all of the responses from the entire month of March just disappeared?

Someone must be very worried about the information you have, Mr. Ken

Elders leaving,Deacons leaving,Members leaving.What is going on here in Bowling Green?We were there last wed evening,the bldg was only half full.

In the Purpose Driven Cult or Promise Keepers ot the "unity meeting" meeting or the Jubillee or Tulsa Workshop or those with NEW degrees it is called STEALING YOUR CHURCH PROPERTY.

They will have agreed to losing at least half of the old OWNERS. Then, the dominant "pastor" selects his own elders and probably "deaconesses" and turns to the End Time Babylon Harlot Music in order to attract CUSTOMERS for entertainment. Then, the new owner (single) has his support for the rest of his life.

Sometimes the "operative" is not a true slick willie and runs people OFF before he has all of his pieces in place. This can result in a long dry spell or the "troubler" moves on to give it another try.

All of these people CANNOT be so ignorant as to understand the total repudiation of any 'arousal' methods in the "school of the Bible" so they have to be terminally evil.

I suggest that the OLD owners return and send the trouble away.

Many of the problems this group is experiencing,come to her from the "anti" college in Tampa.Some of their illustrious faculty spread their wild ideas,and stir the kids into a latther.Sounds just like other schools we know in the brotherhood.

Have more members left?
Have half of the deacons resigned?
Attendance is falling?
Contribution is down?
Liberal and Conservative members leaving?
Did one or both of their preachers leave?
Did they hire a new preacher?
Will they drop the name Church of Christ?
Have any more of their Elders resigned or left?

We are sending kids up there this fall and we keep getting mixed messages to our questions.

Like everything else you read on this website, all you can read above is true about Lost River. In fact, its much worse.

They have now changed the name to church of satan.

The elders have all steped down and their wives have taken their place.

The preachers have not left, but rumor has it that one of them kicks puppies.

They have started using the Koran in place of the new testament.

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I think I get your point. Since you have just posted the above, and it is going to be read … and whatever is “read on this website … is true” [your point], can you add more to your list of alarming things?

Be brave; don’t be shy—let us get to know you a little bit better. Your mention of “elders” and “the new testament” is a good clue that you are somewhat familiar with the church you may have [already] left?

Go into her assembly and you can see and feel it.This once great group is withering on the vine.Pray God they can turn it around,as it will take a miracle.

I have to say ( as a FORMER member of the CoC) I am truly amused by this thread.

You people are complete lunatics!

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Doug,

You seem PROUD to be "a FORMER member of the CoC" ...

Shouldn't you be MORE PROUD to tell us that you are NOW a member of the C of __________ [whose church is it]? Please don't let us keep on guessing. Don't be shy; besides, we don't know your name anyway -- we won't and can't embarrass you.

Donnie