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Rochester Church of Christ: Patrick Mead

December 30 2007 at 2:29 PM
 
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We have been asked to supply "self defense" information by those worried about the move of Patrick Mead to join a very small group of preachers who have been led by the Christian Church "unity" impulse who have added musical instruments. The Moveon intended to restructure ALL churches of Christ but only a small band of ALREADY CONVERTED to the instrumental position have sold out their congregations. I have listed the flood of "instrument passages" on the Rochester College Thread under Madison.

I will post this review on the internet and it will be changed and improved as I have editing time.

http://www.piney.com/Patrick.Mead.html

You are free to do a rebuttal or question me directly on e-mail. The review is in images and may be slow to load but lets me keep the formatting:




Before looking at Patrick's FLOOD of "proofs" none of which related to the congregational meetings of the "civilians" in the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness where vocal and instrumental rejoicing was OUTLAWED, it is important to see that Jesus claimed to have HIDDEN the truth from anyone who lifts prooftexts out of context and CANNOT see the massive and radical condemnation of instrumental noises: this is always the MARK of people trying to silence the Word of God. If you listen to the new musical "worship services" it is clear that when Jesus is replaced by women or the effeminate it is a mark of falling into the promised delusions.

More to follow which should persuade any Bible reader not to follow the Curse of the Sacrificial system into legalistic bondage. Then, we will review or point you to reviews of the other claims that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC IN WORSHIP which we have alread reviewed SIMPLY by defining the CONTEXT which was always a nation sold under bondage or slavery to a "pastor set over us" whom God granted to carry out the captivity and death sentence.

 
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Re: Rochester Church of Christ: Patrick Mead

December 31 2007, 9:09 AM 

This is the link to the Crooked Generation treated by Jesus as a RACE so perverted and truth hating that He refused to speak to them other than through parables. If the false teachers cannot understand that all of the Bible POINTS to something outside of it they will miss the fact that the crooked race or the race of vipers are the people who "sing while getting drunk on wine." They are well documented in the literature which not even the best Greek scholar reads because they don't look where Paul and others point. This is a collection of comments only:

http://www.piney.com/Acts.2.Crooked.html

Contrary to the claim all of those ignoring all of the Word of God and trying to IMPOSE what was the curse of God on Israel because of musical idolatry. And they all read off the PAGES of the NACC all of which deliberately twist all of the Bible and historical scholars. At the same time they are utterly silent about the prophets who UNIQUELY spoke by the Spirit OF Christ who utterly condemn instruments a identify the SUPPLIER as Lucifer or Satan. So, no good to label truth speakers as of the Devil. Didn't the Jewish legalistic sectarians do that to Jesus who spoke VOLUMES condemning musical performers. Here is a link to the Burgess material which identifies the PSALLO word as pointing to perverts:

http://www.piney.com/Music.Burgess.98.html

Continuing to review Patrick's errors from the Old Testament but first to MARK music and the promise of Jesus that He would utterly take away the ability to understand the Word. Again, may be a slow load.




 
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Re: Rochester Church of Christ: Patrick Mead. Post #3

January 2 2008, 12:37 PM 




 
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Patrick Mead Review #4

January 4 2008, 10:19 PM 

This may be tedious background but you need to understand that there is no exception to the rule for anyone to find where music is used in a religious sense and does not point to Lucifer "the singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden, getting people drunk with music to steal their property, warfare, sacrificial exorcism, prostitutes and sodomites.

Therefore, when people deliberately sow discord they must of necessity lie about every musical passage in the Bible and in church history.

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See the TWANGING ARROW as the background to external melody which Paul prohibited. There are a dozen or more Greek words associating warfare, shooting people to hurt and musical instruments.

http://www.piney.com/Twanging.html

See how Isaiah 30 shows how God will drive His enemies into "hell" using the same wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer (Zoe) brought into the Garden of Eden.

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

The "persona" of performance music sows discord and drives away half of the owners: how do some people get GRACE and LIBERTY to impose what has always been a MARK of refusing to hear God's Word or God's preachers "teaching that which has been taught."

 
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Rochester Elders Agree with Patrick Mead?

January 9 2008, 5:47 PM 

ROCHESTER CHURCH OF CHRIST Review of Patrick Mead #2. Patrick asks "how it all got started" teaching that the Christians were too timid to CONTINUE to use instruments. Most of the scholars quoted to prove that the church never used instruments are quoted in a new and "troubling" way of twisting facts.

http://www.piney.com/Rochester.2.html

Patrick claims that the church CEASED the use of instrumental music. He associates those noble scholars who explained WHY instruments were the marks of a fall from grace, by first labeling them as murderers, tyrants, deviants and Jew Haters. He claims that Alexander Campbell got his anti-instrumental views from John Knox whom he labels as a murderer.

Quoting Clement who makes man (the race) a more beautify instrument for SPEAKING the Word, he intimates that he was more interested in worshiping the male than refuting instruments.

This is a quick listen and review and I will correct if I have misunderstood.

I will continue to look at some of the "proof" which Patrick says proves that "God not only TOLERATED instrumental music but COMMANDED it." However, he uses the usual "calm the nerves" by saying they will not use instruments on SUNDAY as if using instruments to train up the children is not a problem. The driven purpose by beginning with instruments is to GROW your own instrumental church.

Is this reeally the MARK this church wants to OUT?

 
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Re: Rochester Elders Agree with Patrick Mead?

August 11 2008, 2:23 AM 

You are all silly, I have never seen a poorer use of scripture and history to put forth ones agenda. Calm down wingnuts and realize that no one is going to hell over this. If they are, well I have a feeling a lot more of us are in trouble for a lot of other things that using an instrument to worship Jesus. Oh and by the way, I don't like Patrick Mead and I despise the Rochester CofC where I used to be a member, but not because of shallow arguments such as yours, but for deep moral issues that you all seem to over look in your half-hearted crusade to cleanse the Church of Christ world that is anything not 19th century. Grow up, you sound like a petulant child spewing your nonsense. Let us know when you receive a degree in Bible, or history for that matter. Perhaps then you may garner a bit of respect from those who simply laugh at you for your childish ignorance.

P.S. I do have both a degree in Bible and History, so before you try that argument just know that I have that all sewn up already

 
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