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Ken Sublett
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What are hypocrites? Jesus answers.

July 29 2010, 3:14 PM 





    
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Did Jesus not die for you?

August 11 2010, 10:50 PM 

"Believer's Baptism" preached by the Baptists is an old pagan dogma and denies that Christ died on the cross for them. That is why they don't have to be baptized in imitation of the type or "pattern capable of being imitated." A reader contends:

Can anyone find where Jesus or the 12 used the words That were given to PAUL by the RISEN Christ in Gal 1:11 -12 which is different than what Peter or the 12 preached , Gal 2:7-9 .

Gal. 1:11 But I certify you, brethren,
......that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
......but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Gal. 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
Gal. 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal. 1:23 But they had heard only,
......That he which persecuted us in times past
......now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal. 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

Gal. 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas,
...... and took Titus with me also.
Gal. 2:2 And I went up by revelation,
......and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
......but privately to them which were of reputation,
......lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

REMEMBER THAT PETER PREACHED TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES:
DID PETER PREACH TWO GOSPELS?
NO:

Gal. 2:7 But contrariwise,
......when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
......as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Galatians 2.7 alla tounantion idontes hoti pepisteumai to euaggelion ts akrobustias kaths Petros ts peritoms,
GALATIANS 2[7] sed e contra cum vidissent quod creditum est mihi evangelium praeputii sicut Petro circumcisionis

THESE ARE NOT TWO GOSPELS BUT TWO AREAS OF PREACHING.
Evanglum (eua- ), ii, n., = euaggelion.
I. Good news, Cic. Att. 2, 3, 1, written as Greek, euaggelia.
II. The Gospel (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Matt. 4, 23 et saep.

Euaggelion or Evangelium is mentioned only ONCE. Therefore, there is ONE GOSPEL.

That is because the ONE Gospel was commanded to be preached to ALL NATIONS
......Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all NATIONS, Ethnos: Gentile. Non-Jewish]
............baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
......Matt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things
............whatsoever I have commanded you:
............and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

Peter preached that ONE GOSPEL to gentiles.
Notice that Paul is not speaking of TWO GOSPELS but two people sent in different directions.
Gal. 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter TO the apostleship of the circumcision,
......the same was mighty in me TOWARD the Gentiles:)
Gal. 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
......perceived the grace that was given unto me,
......they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;
......that we should GO unto the heathen,
......and they (SHOULD GO) unto the circumcision.
Gal. 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor;
......the same which I also was forward to do.

THE JERUSALEM CONFERENCE IN ACTS 15 PROVES THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE GOSPEL.

 
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Augustine Creed and doctrine

August 14 2010, 2:34 PM 

The links to the comments in pictures below:

http://www.piney.com/FathIrenaHerII.html#THE

http://www.piney.com/Augustine.Faith.Creed.html

Those who began to define the Godhead as OPPOSITE to the three person (gods) of all pagans, did not include the Spirit OF Christ or the Spirit OF God as a separated being. Augustine who wrote the most warned against making dogma out of the concept. He quotes some of the views at that time.

I will expand later on the COMMUNICATION of the Holy Spirit. Jesus spoke the WORDS of God because He had the Spirit of God WITHOUT METER (so metron can be read). This fits the pattern that SPEAK is the opposite of poetry (meter) music. Speak as in rhetoric would define a hypocrite.






If the preachers or musicians speak FOR the Spirit in the morning, Scripture and all recorded evidence proves that they are being led by a lying spirit or The spirit OF lying which is NOT another person.


    
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Peter and Paul write a PATTERNISM for the sole role of church

August 20 2010, 11:21 AM 

If you grasp the meaning of EKKLESIA or SYNAGOGUE it will not be possible for you to even hallucinate music as a performance trying to please God or attract students.

If you do not know the meaning of Ekklesia or Synagogue then it is not possible that you are a Christian. Why? Because a Disciple is a student of the Word of Christ defending CENI in the Great Commission.






    
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Don't let the pluckers pluck you!

October 17 2010, 5:23 PM 


In the days of Jesus the job of the Scribes and Pharisees--doctors of the law, hypocrites as speakers, singers and instrument players was to try to silence Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of exorcists doing sacrificial music keeping you silent so the priests called "heretics" can lift you up to cut your throat. That's the end of almost all humans.

They deny that Christ the Spirit guiding Paul had even the minimal ability to find a word meaning
"play and an instrument." Psallo means to pluck a bowstring or the hair out of your head. Here are some words Christ the Spirit COULD have used if He had a Phd from ACU.

To a simple simon Greek swine trader in the marketplace, you would need a distinct word for each instrument you wanted to play. There are NO such words in the entire Bible and if you try to keep people out of the kingdom with the PSALLO word all history notes that you HAVE been plucked.

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Review: Danny Corbitt: Missing More than Music
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Instruments.html

Danny Corbitt Anti Ferguson Psalmos
http://www.piney.com/Psalmos.Corbitt.Ferguson.html

Jay Guin Defending Danny Corbitt
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Everet.Ferguson.Danny.Corbitt.html

Review: Danny Corbitt Denying Justin Martyr
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbit.Justin.Martyr.Instrumental.Music.html

Matt Dabbs--Danny Corbitt Ripening Issues
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Matt.Dabbs.Ripening.Issues.html



 
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Dave
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Just Goes to Show You....

December 6 2010, 8:02 AM 

Ken, if nothing else, this thread shows that you don't need a reply to keep posting.....and posting....and posting......even if no one else could care less.

 
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Re: Just Goes to Show You....

December 8 2010, 10:40 PM 

Dave,

Do you consider yourself a kind person?

 
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AM

December 15 2010, 5:00 PM 

Thanks AM.....Merry Christmas to you also.
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Re: AM

December 16 2010, 10:55 AM 

Dave,

If you are asked if you had an item and you say Thank you, have you stolen something? Or did you just not understand the question?

 
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Ken Sublett
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I right only for reeders!

December 16 2010, 11:26 AM 

I don't need responses: since I quote the bible and all recorded information there is nothing that people can say.
For reeders of righting I have posted all of the New Wineskins forum on instrumental music: very manly, they, not afraid to dialog.

In addition I am in the process of reviewing all of these paper: you will notice that Russ' friends are not timid in telling how they took away the church house of widows. The Scribes and Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites and Christ marked as preachers, singers and instrument players are theit PATTERNISM even when God turned the Monarchy over to worship the starry host. So, when peolple promote the worship of the STARS rest assured that A spirit has informed them: we are warned about the Lying Pen of the Scribes.

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How easy it is to blaspheme.

January 5 2011, 5:27 PM 

People are forced to blaspheme the Spirit of Christ in all of the prophets: Christ repudiates all of the PATTERNISM people use to COMMAND people to participate in what they call instrumental worship of GET OUT. Planning to lose up to half of the owners in order to make the bait and switch falls easily within the postmodern ethics. They say "we gonna take your church house and turn it into a theater for holy entertainment 'cause we gonna save more souls." All recorded history connects religious music to sorcery as did John in Revelation 18. People can easily ignore that and the REST of the Bible because they HEAR spirits and I don't doubt it a bit. However, John identifies sorcerers with dogs (catamites) for whom the lake of fire was created.

1. David Faust from the NACC has convinced a few dupes:

http://www.piney.com/David.Faust.Temple.html

A . In the Old Testament the Lord didn't merely "permit" the use of musical instruments as aids to worship.
He commanded their use.
B. In the old Testament the Lord didn't merely "permit' the use of musical instruments as aids to worship.
He blessed their use.


One example 300 years after the last plague stopping exorcism is THEIR patternism: their patternists had been ABANDONED to worship the starry host (at the temple) and there was NO REDEMPTION.

2. However, They say the LORD SAID when Christ in the prophets said the LORD HAS NOT SAID.

They follow the Lying Pen of the Scribes and blaspheme CENI.

Jer. 8:7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times;
and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming;
but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are WISE,
and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.

Who are the WISE Jesus said the Father HIDES HIMSELF?

WISE IS: Sophos A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896

Sophis-teia , h(, A. sophistry, D.S.12.53, Plu.2.78f, D.L.2.113, etc.; opp. sophia, Ph.1.10; s. mantik, of Balaam
Sophis-tês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept panu thaumaston legeis s (lying wonderful speaker)
with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln (Melody in a holy place)
That would get the Levite PATTERNISTS executed.
II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money,

That is CORRUPTING THE WORD: selling learning at retail. How can they sell the FREE Word (Isa 55) when Christ outlawed speaking THEIR OWN WORDS (Isa 58)?: Paul said of the Corinthians that "fools love to be fooled."

The Lying Pen of the Scribes do not speak to the Godly people

Mendax II. Transf., of inanim, and abstr. things, lying, false, deceptive; feigned, fictitious, counterfeit, not real, etc. a liar should have a good memory,

Recorded history ranks "poetry and music" with lying: outlawed by the command to SPEAK.

Scrba , ae, m. scribo, I. a public or official writer, a clerk, secretary, scribe (whereas librarius or scriba librarius denotes a private secretary or amanuensis;

2. (Eccl. Lat.) A doctor of the Jewish law, one whose duty it was to guard and expound the sacred text, Vulg. 2 Reg. 8, 17; id. Matt. 23, 2 et saep
.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers!
for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
ye entered not in yourselves,
and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Music from mystery MEANS to "make the lambs dumb before the slaugher." It certainly works, doesn't it? ::clappingoverhead::

Jesus called the Scribes (doctors) and Pharisees, Hypocrites: in the Ezekiel 33 version Christ listed slick preachers, singers and instrument players.

How can they get away repeating the Lying Pen of the Scribes? In the words of Paul "Fools love to be fooled: the more they pay the better the fooled."

3. Claiming that God has said, When God has NOT said Is defined by Christ as blasphemy.

 
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CENI Commands, Examples, Necessary Inferences

January 6 2011, 8:31 PM 

Paul commanded "that which is written for our learning" in Romans 15. Therefore we CAN be infallible and can all "speak the same things" by speaking that which is written.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Examples.Necessary.Inferences.html

People LIMIT Jesus' CENI by claiming that they have the right to make a law where Jesus has not made a law and you are bound to obey that law or cast yourself out of your synagogue.

Because they have VIOLATED the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word, and have composed their own songs and sermons they are simply blind that God reserves the right to be the Teacher and our role is to be a Disciple: a disciple of Christ old enough to apply to Him for entrance should be old enough that disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists: the laded burden and rest words in fact specifically makes a law to regulate those who are not capable of reverence and Godly fear.

Christ in the Prophets has made it absolute that to use your own imagination to replace the clear Word of God is blasphemy--despising the Word of God and thinking your's is superior.

 
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CENI Commands, Examples, Necessary Inferences

January 6 2011, 8:32 PM 

Paul commanded "that which is written for our learning" in Romans 15. Therefore we CAN be infallible and can all "speak the same things" by speaking that which is written.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Examples.Necessary.Inferences.html

People LIMIT Jesus' CENI by claiming that they have the right to make a law where Jesus has not made a law and you are bound to obey that law or cast yourself out of your synagogue.

Because they have VIOLATED the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word, and have composed their own songs and sermons they are simply blind that God reserves the right to be the Teacher and our role is to be a Disciple: a disciple of Christ old enough to apply to Him for entrance should be old enough to know that disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists: the laded burden and rest words in fact specifically makes a law to regulate those who are not capable of reverence and Godly fear.

Christ in the Prophets has made it absolute that to use your own imagination to replace the clear Word of God is blasphemy--despising the Word of God and thinking yours is superior.


    
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PATTERNISM: Stand up to READ the Word as it has been delivered and sit dow for discussion.

January 8 2011, 4:07 PM 

In another forum on the word INFALLIBLE, the problem with Missionaries in strange places seems to justify violating the direct command to READ the word and the direct command against Private interpretation of further expounding. It is a fact that with the Bible many groups have read themselves into the truth without someone to ENHANCE the Word of God in song and sermon.

The only way to be INFALLIBLE is that everyone SPEAK THE SAME THINGS which means SPEAK THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN (Rom 15 and the NOT-musical passages.)

Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak,
......and not to please ourselves.

Areskos or Placeo outlaws rhetoric, singing, acting or playing instruments.

Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

Edification here means ONLY education: no human can supply a jot or tittle..

Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,

This is the only resource both inclusive and exclusive.

......that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit:
......and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

No: all you are authorized to do is to READ it and let the words stand. The NAME of Father, Son, and Spirit (thought, breath, word) is Jesus Christ.

The NAME of the another COMFORTER (parakltos)

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (parakltos)
......that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: [size=12pt][color=red]I[/color][/size] will come to you

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
......we have an advocate (parakltos) with the Father,
......Jesus Christ the righteous:

The only person guided by The Holy Spirit is guided by Christ the Spirit who claimed that "My words are Spirit and Life." The Spirit OF Christ is the Mind of Christ (1 Cor 2). The Spirit of Christ rides along with the Words of Christ.

In Romans 15 where SELF-pleasure outlaws all of the performing arts, and commands using "one mind and one mouth" to deliver "that which is written." Paul calls that "Scripture." If you are in the jungle you MUST have a valid translation: you cannot invent doctrine.

Eph. 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him,
......and have been taught by him,
......as the truth is in Jesus: [color=blue] that's the Spirit OF truth[/color]
Col. 2:7 Rooted and built up in him,
......and stablished in the faith,
......as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
2Th. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
......and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,
......whether by word, or our epistle.

1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to (public) reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
......that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers,
......specially they of the circumcision

IF YOU ARE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THOSE WHO TEACH ERROR THEN RE-READ THE BLASPHEMY THREAD

Convince Elegkho cross-examine, question, disgrace, put to shame, muthon e. treat a speech with contempt, Il.9.522; e. tina put one to shame, Od. 21.424
2. test, bring to the proof, bring convincing proof, refute, confute, bring convincing proof, b. put right, correct, prove by a reductio ad impossibile, 5. get the better of,
6. expose, tina lrounta Pl.Tht.171d, cf. X.Mem.1.7.2, M.Ant.1.17; betray a weakness, Democr.222. Plat. Theaet. 171d Xen. Mem. 1.7.2


http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Ordain.Elders.html

The word CONVINCE does not mean to sermonize and counsel endlessly but to REFUTE HIM and DISQUALIFY him. Claiming to fellowship all kinds of error is really arrogance.

In the Qahal or Synagogue or Ekklesia words which define the ASSEMBLY no one was permitted to make up the subject material to be presented: that came from a higher authority. If anyone tries to sing with our without instruments in either they would be hurt really bad. Rhetoricians occassionaly got loose in the Greek ekklesia to present their own veiws but were all frepudiated.

The Campbells defined:

Church is A School of Christ (that's what disciples of Christ do--ONLY)
Worship is reading and musing the Word: (that's what diciples of Christ do)

The pattern for the Church in the Wilderness and exampled by Jesus was:

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,


 
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And furthermore

January 9 2011, 10:16 PM 

In the words of Paul, "fools love to be fooled." That is why they jump for joy at the chance to hand over their children's health care money to people with NO ROLE and NO DOLE who are as absurd as one who reads "He flew from the bear" as AUTHORITY that God commands them to FLY in a rocket. We can be just as DOGMATICALLY certain that people who pick verses like picking fleas off a dog are terminally ignorant or terminally evil.

Why we know that NO ONE ever sang any Biblical text including the Psalms.

Modern exegetes do not agree in this matter. For a time many would admit no metre at all in the Psalms. Davison (Hast., "Dict. of the Bible", s. v.) writes: "
.....though metre is NOT discernible in the Psalms,
.....it does not follow that rhythm is excluded".


This rhythm, however, "defies analysis and systematization". Driver ("Introd. to Lit. of O. T.", New York, 1892, 339) admits in Hebrew poetry
..... "no metre in the strict sense of the term".
..... Exegetes who find metre in the Psalms are of four schools,
..... according as they explain Hebrew metre by quantity, by the number of syllables,
.....by accent, or by both quantity and accent. (from The Catholic Encyclopedia)


ONLY THE PSALMS WERE CHANTED:

Up to the Edict of Milan (AD 313), the psalms were interspersed with lessons.

By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized.The distinction between these types later faded.

A Cantor is a Chanter: The Jews cantillated which is Paul's SPEAK. Both singing AND melody (or grace) was IN THE HEART to specificially exclude the external meaning of Psallo which is a warfare word.

You could not sing TUNEFULLY nor could you accompany ANY of "that which is written for our LEARNING" (Rom 15 which defines the assembly inclusively and exclusively.)

In the 16th century, Protestant churches encouraged congregational psalm singing by adopting metrical versions in the vernacular. An important early translation was Clèment Marot's, the basis of the Calvinist psalter. A repertory of tunes came into being; these were set in a simple chordal style in collections which included Loys Bourgeois's complete psalter (1563), widely recognized as a standard version. Some later settings were more contrapuntal; Le Jeune and others dropped the tunes and composed what amounted to free motets.

So, why don't we lock up people who are willing to steal the church house of widows so they and satisfy the lust of the eyes and ears and LIE about God COMMANDING them to do it?

As I have said, Christ in Jeremiah 23 says that those who speak out of their own imagination rather than the Word of God are guilty of blasphemy.


 
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The SUBMISSIVE never PLAY harps in heaven (up in the air)

January 12 2011, 1:13 PM 

The Elders FIRED God and demanded a human king: the purpose was to silence God who had in fact abandoned them to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

The HARPS were connected to the curse of the sacrificial system as they worshipped the STARRY HOST in the not-commanded temple during burnt offerings which God DID NOT COMMAND.

The BEASTS are ZOON or ZOE: Sophia and Zoe connect to Eve in revelation: the truth being hidden in parables from the clergy from the foundation of the world. Sophia is the Mother Goddess of the prophesied end time religion. Sophia-zoe are documented in the classics as the promoting the LAWS (nomos) with music and this is the mark of pederasty (the dogs who burn with the sorcerers).

zon , to/, A. living being, animal, z. ponron, of women, contemptuously, be free from thes animals, BEGGARS Plat. Tim. 77b

Plat. Tim. 77b in fact, which partakes of life may justly and with perfect truth be termed a living creature. Certainly that creature which we are now describing partakes of the third kind of soul, which is seated, as we affirm, between the midriff and the navel,
.....and which shares not at all in opinion and reasoning and mind (spirit)
..... but in sensation, pleasant and painful, together with desires


They are in opposition to the LOGOS which is the religion of the Written Word of the Living Word. Zoe is identified in the ancient documents as the "Beast and Female instructing principle."

Both the ELDERS and BEAST fall down and CANNOT play harps. Those who are still skipping, singing, clapping and playing with or without instruments are the LOST. Only those who COLLAPSE before a Holy God have any hope.


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The "elders and beasts" cannot READ the Word which is FIGURATIVE: any elder or Levite who went before a Holy God in the temple would be EXECUTED.

HOLDING THE HARPS OF GOD IS NOT PLAYING THE HARPS OF DAVID.

Holding the harp OF GOD means to aprehened the Word of God.

1907. epecho, ep-ekh´-o; from 1909 and 2192; to hold upon, i.e. (by implication) to retain; (by extension) to detain; (with implication, of 3563) to pay attention to: -- give (take) heed unto, hold forth, mark, stay.

Echo STOP, Keep balanced, keep on guard 9. possess mentally, understand, taming, do you understand? attend! listen! know of a thing, damazo subdue, conquer, be subject to one another. Subdue epithumia passion, longing after, sexual appetite,.

hippn dmsin Il.17.476; tekhnn Hes.Th.770; pant' ekheis logon A. Ag.582, cf. E.Alc.51; ekhete to pragma S.Ph.789; ekheis ti; do you understand? Ar.Nu.733: imper.ekhe attend! listen!

e. phresi keep in one's mind, it kept still, 2. hold fast,


Col. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility
and worshipping of angels,
intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col. 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands
having nourishment ministered, and knit together,
increaseth with the increase of God.

While Christ said that God DID NOT command sacrifices.

Jamison-Fausett-Brown Revelation 8 notes that:

"In the Jewish temple (court), musical instruments and singing resounded during the whole time of the offering of the sacrifices, which formed the first part of the service.

They also played during the offering of Jesus on the Cross: the Levites MOCKED Him. We now offer the fruit of the lips and our PRAISE is our incense. Woe to those who are CONTINUING to sacrifice Jesus: they even HIRE people to act as LEVITES, an old infant burning cult from Egypt. Jacob warned: "Do NOT attend the assemblies of the tribe of Levi."

But at the offering of incense, solemn silence was kept ("My soul waiteth upon God," Ps 62:1; "is silent," Margin; Ps 65:1, Margin), the people praying secretly all the time. The half-hour stillness implies, too, the earnest adoring expectation with which the blessed spirits and the angels await the succeeding unfolding of God's judgments. A short space is implied; for even an hour is so used (Re 17:12 18:10,19).

Duwmiyyah (h1747) doo-me-yaw'; from 1819; stillness; adv. silently; abstr. quiet, trust: - silence, silent, waiteth.

THOSE STILL STANDING AND PLAYING OR DEFENDING THE MUSICAL MOCKERS PLEASE MARCH OVER TO THE LAKE OF FIRE: That's where Christ in Isaiah 30 PREDESTINATED the false preachers, singers and instrument player. They serve under ZOE, the BEAST as the female teaching principle. MARKS are given as MARKS.


 
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You say, but God NOT say, you blaspheme

January 13 2011, 3:38 PM 

ALL OF THOSE IMPOSING INSTRUMENTS REST ON THE LEVITES MAKING NOISE WHILE BURNING GOATS. Rick Atchley RESTS their souls on this patternism.

The first two reasons assert that under the Old Testament, God did not just allow instrumental music, He commanded and blessed it. Rick offered the following passages for these contentions: 2 Chronicles 5:13-14; 7:6; 29:25-26; Psalm 33:1- 3; 92:1-3; 150:1-6.

Never mind that the godly tribes were quarantined. No singer or player went INTO or NEAR a holy thing or place on the penalty of death. Some of these patterns are separated from the last by up to 300 years.

CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS WARNED ABOUT THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.

Stand in the gate of the Lords house [courts], and proclaim there this word,
......and say, Hear the word of the Lord, all ye of Judah,
......that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord. Jeremiah 7:2

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,
......Amend your ways and your doings,
......and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Jeremiah 7:3

Trust ye not in lying words, saying,
......The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord,
......The temple of the Lord, are these. Jeremiah 7:4


Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
......LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
......THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.

For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
......in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
......concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22

THE PROPHECIES BY CHRIST WERE FULFILLED BY JESUS CHRIST: JESUS AND PETER MAKES THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS THE ONLY TRUTH.

John 6:44 No man can come to me,
......except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
......and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS
......And they shall be all taught of God.
......Every man therefore that hath heard,
......and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words
......which were spoken before by the HOLY PROPHETS
......and of the commandment of us the APOSTLES of the Lord and Saviour:

By using the PATTERNISM based on ignorance of the Word of Christ in the prophets, they have FITTED you out to be cast alive in the Lake of Fire.

IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND NOT LYING SCRIBES whom He called hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33.

......1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently,
............who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
......1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
........................the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
............and the glory that should follow.

CHRIST SPOKE ONLY THROUGH THE PROPHETS TO CONDEMN THE PATTERNISM OF THE MUSICAL IDOLATERS.

Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
......spake in time past unto the fathers BY THE PROPHETS

God did NOT speak through the lying pen of the Scribes who recorded the Monarchy which God had NOT commanded.

Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us BY HIS SON
......whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
......by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb. 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
......and the express image of his person,
......and upholding all things by the WORD of his power,
......when he had by himself purged our sins,
......sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

THOSE WHO DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD BY QUOTING THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES (hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players) are defined by the Spirit:

Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
......Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you:
......they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart,
......and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me,
......The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace;
......and they say unto every one that walketh
......after the imagination of his own heart,
......No evil shall come upon you.

Despise tthe Word of God of God and using your own words is:

Blasphm-e , pf. A. beblasphmka D.18.10:speak profanely of sacred things, eis theous Pl.R.381e; offer rash prayers,

1. When "A" spirit tells you that God COMMANDED the burning of the goats at which the MILITARY instrumentalists made a great noise means that He COMMANDED the preacher to impose instruments after already discording the flock and PROMISING that "he" would never allow instruments on Sunday.

2. ALL of Scripture proves that God HATH NOT SAID.

3. They are being led by a "lying spirit" and are called BLASPHEMERS. There is no redemption as there was no redemption after the musical idolatry at Moung Sinai.

4. All who defend and promote blasphemers are blasphemers.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS REPUDIATING THE SCRIBES.

1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
......the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
......when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
......and the glory that should follow.

As far as I can determine all of the musical blasphemers trust in the "lying pen of the Scribes" and are ignorant of the Spirit ONLY in the writing prophets. If you follow a blind guide you will fall into a ditch (pit, hell) just as surely as the blind guide. If you have AFFIRMED that God approves of instrumentsl music and you FELLOWSHIP and endorse those who follow the lying pen of the Scribes, you too can be a blasphemer without redemption.

 
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Praying for Ken

January 15 2011, 2:44 AM 

Ken, reading your posts and seeing the hatred in your hearts, is so hard for me. Here you spend all this time on here ripping these guys and you don't realize that Satan is working through you. It is guys like you that are tearing apart the church. I'll be praying for you....you need Jesus, my man.

 
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Harps in Heaven

January 15 2011, 1:34 PM 

As I noted, those who lie, cheat, discord and try to steal the church house of widows (Scribes, Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites and Christ named preachers, singers and instrument players) MAY not be able to resist using the patternism of the Monarchy: the elders fired God and demanded a "senior pastor." God understood that they wanted to worship like the nations. After all, because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God had ABANDONED the Civil-Military-Clergy tribe of Levi (cursed by Jacob Gen 49) to the WORSHIP of the Starry host.

No preacher will tell you the truth about the fatal fork in the road at Mount Sinai. Why is it that THEY will not tell you the truth and then DEMAND that you pay them a wage: perhaps in the words of Paul "fools love to be fooled.?"

On the other hand, ONLY Christ in the prophets spoke for the spiritual people who attended qahal, synagogue or church of Christ in the wilderness: vocal or instrumental rejoicing was excluded. God left that as a MARK of those who would follow the MONARCHY PATTERNISM.


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Because they use the legalistic pattern of those Christ DENOUNCED; and perhaps are UNABLE to read and preach from the commanded Prophets and Apostles, they DESPISE Christ in the Prophets.

Christ throughout the prophets identifies those who speak out of their OWN IMAGINATION or a presumed SILENCE by God as BLASPHEMERS. Now, God hates and destroys those (Amos, Isaiah) who bring instruments into their holy places and sentences them to the Lake of Fire. God also HATES those who sow discord among brethren.

It is LOGICAL and predestinated that those who impose instruments and songs and sermons out of their own imagination, when the Spirit denies them a ROLE or a DOLE, would accuse those who quote the Free Water of the Word (Isaiah 55) and OUTLAWING seeking your own pleasure SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS as dispensing HATE. That happens when you just QUOTE from Christ in the prophets whom modern pulpiteers will NOT use as dommanded. Rather, they build their foundation upon the LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.

Jesus MARKED Judas with the SOP word which is the root of the PSALLO word: that mark fulfilled prophecy that Judas the "familiar friend" would not triumph over Him making "vocal and instrumental music." He CAST OUT the musical minstrels trying to assist Him "like ejecting dung." He consigned the Pipers trying to induce singing and dancing to the MARKETPLACE. In Revelation speaking through John He consigned the sorcerers (speakers, singers, instrument players to be cast alive into the LAKE OF FIRE. In Isaiah 30 Christ said that HELL WAS PREPARED for His enemies: the marks in sight and sound of Him BEATING His enemies was wind, string and percussion instruments. These are the same instruments Christ in Isaiah and Ezekiel said that Lucifer (zoe) the singing and harp playing prostitute brought with him/her/it when "cast as profane" out of heaven. The word also meaning "play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute and prostitute." That is the PRAISE word used by the king and commanders of the Army.

Time is short: God commands that we COME OUT OF THE WORLD and not endorse them. God HIDES Himself from the WORLD and the WISE or sophists meaning speakers, singers, instrument players or any skill intending to AID God.

I would never lie to you, steal your church house, or SERMONIZE and ask for PAY: that is outlawed by commands, examples and inferences.

Some sins cannot be repented of: those based on human pride. However, it is NOT hate to warn people that both liberal and conservative preachers lie about the UNLAWFUL and UNGODLY king, kingdom, temple, sacrificial system and the accompanying MIlitary Band making loud noise when Christ in the prophets calls them LIARS.

 
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Why Campbell said so little against instruments

January 17 2011, 10:08 PM 

Campbell was reluctant to respond to the suggestion of Mr. G. that instruments be added to the church assembly. Otherwise, it was not within the realm of possibility that any spiritual and Bible literate person would impose music into the solemn assembly which had the ONLY role to PREACH the Word of Christ by READING it and discussing it. Not even the Disciples believed it. None of them believed in it. It was always ONE dominant person: when the offended were driven out those who opposed slowly grew to enjoy it because it appealed to the "lust of the eyes and ears" says Albert Barnes.

What prompted Alexander Campbell to make his comments. John Rogers asked for a response to Mr. G.

WHAT MR. G SAID DEFENDING INSTRUMENTS is what the Catholics claimed: In fact, the Christians fueled by James O'Kelly were rooted in the Methodists-Church of England-High Church view of a "rubber authority."

The instrumentalists must subscribe to the views of those who sowed discord. In a letter Mr. G suggests the addition of instruments:

"INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is entirely in harmony with the most grateful, solemn and happy feelings of which the human heart is susceptible. Indeed, sacred music upon an instrument, tends, in a very considerable degree, to excite solemn and holy emotions; [Sorcery says John] and we cannot forbear to say, that could the music of our churches be improved--could it be accompanied with an instrument,

......it would soothe and calm the feelings of the auditors;
......it would improve the order of the house;
......it would call into lively action the latent religious emotions of the heart,
......and add very much to the enjoyment on such occasions.

"Music exerts a mysterious charm upon man--it takes captive the citadel of life--carries him out of himself, and leads him where it will.

That is exactly the purpose driving all pagan music: but males didn't go there unless "drunk, perverted or just having fun" says history.

......The shrill fife and the rattling drum,
......inspire the soldier just about to enter into battle,
......with a zeal and daring which no hardship can overcome,
......and no danger intimidate,
......and causes him to rush headlong into the thickest of the combat,
......regardless of consequences.

If martial music thus inspires the worshipers of Mars, will sacred music do less for the humble followers of the meek and lowly Jesus--the worshipers of the true and living God? No!

"It will not. It will inspire them, too, with zeal and courage, and impel them on to resist--not flesh and blood with instruments of death, but principalities and powers--spiritual wickedness in high places, with the armor of God and the sword of the Spirit.


That's true music MEANS "to make the lambs DUMB before the slaughter." NOT a good set up for being a SCHOOL OF THE WORD.

In fact Paul said that we do not WRESTLE (psallo) against these powers with carnal weapons or lifeless instruments. Mr. G. simply does not know and does not CARE that Paul repudiated him.

Paul ALWAYS outlaws music sourced from Lucifer the harp-playing prostitute.

Eph. 6:12 For we WRESTLE not against flesh and blood,
......but against principalities, against powers,
......against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
......against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fear, II. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.); leap, bound, quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.). spring upon ephallomai, leap, bound E.El.435

Paul was NOT SILENT: people are just unable to read BLACK text on [color=brown]BROWN paper. That is Christ's final judgment.

THEN, Paul defines the weapons of the SPIRIT.

Eph. 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
t......hat ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


Mr. G. is PROMOTING exactly the "laded burden" Jesus died to remove meaning "songs which create spiritual anxiety through religious rituals." Mr. G. and all music promoters KNOW that they are doing to you exactly what martial music does to soldiers: drive them mad and suicidal.

You will notice that neither Mr. G. offered or cared to appeal to the Word of God. Mr. G. Gives the same reason as the Catholics for adding instruments: it was common to ALL PAGAN CULTS.

"The priests of the pagan temples had been paid from the purse of the Empire, but now Caesar was a Christian and the priests of Mars and Venus [Lucifer, Zoe]hastened to their baptisms.

For the first time in the history of the church, salaries were paid to Christians workers. Tradition has it that Constantine's mother was the first to give the money for the erection of a church building...

All this (meetings in homes) was over now.
......The rags of persecution gave way to softer garments,
......and the church began to enjoy the feel of silk upon its flesh.
Thus the Pergamos stage of church history came into being, the church was married to the world." (Barnhouse, D.G., Revelation, Zondervan, p. 52).


Strabo Geography 10.3.9

http://www.piney.com/MuStrabo.html


"The religious frenzy seems to afford a kind of divine inspiration and to be very like that of the Soothsayer..

"For although it has been well said that human beings then act most like the gods when they are doing good to others,

yet one might better say, when they are happy; and such happiness consists of rejoicing, celebrating festivals, pursuing philosophy, and engaging in music;

for, if music is perverted when musicians turn their art to sensual delights at symposiums and in orchestric and scenic performances and the like, we should not lay the blame upon music itself, but should rather examine the nature of our system of education, since this is based on music.


The Greeks trained warriors in music and dance: however only the lowest classes PERFORMED music and then only to those who could not understand much speech.

 
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