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Ken Sublett
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When you rise up (against god) in Play (musical idolatry) there is no redemption

February 11 2012, 8:51 PM 

Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play


The golden calf represented Apis a real bull calf in Egypt. This represented the always-pagan trinitiyof Osiris, Isis and Horus.

PLAY at Mount Sinai is defined in most pagan religions which the Israelites imitated. The word is

h7832.Sachag

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Whe they made SAMSON GRIND or SPORT they sexually abused him

Judges 16:25 And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport [h7832]. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport [h6711]: and they set him between the pillars


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Genesis 39:15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried,
....that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out.
Genesis 39:16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home.
Genesis 39:17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying,
....The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us,
....came in unto me to mock me: h6711.tsachaq


David went naked and PLAYED the harp and played with the camp followers: He confessed that he made himself VILE that hale or "praise word" people grasp without knowing what it is they are holding in their hands.

1Chronicles 13:8 And David and all Israel played [H7832] before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. Went Naked

THE LATIN: Exod 32:[6] surgentesque mane obtulerunt holocausta et hostias pacificas et sedit populus comedere ac bibere et surrexerunt ludere [Ludo is PLAY]

Surgo they rose up in insurrection AGAINST God.

Hêdonais 3. Pl., desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, X.Mem.1.2.23, Ep.Tit.3.3,
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

What ANY Disciple would know without exception.

[linked image]"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

http://www.piney.com/FathEphraimLord.html

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Ephraim Syrus On Our Lord notes that Sinai was atest. The Israelites were consummate idolaters in Egypt. However, God gave them one more shot at the Abrahamic Covenant. By removing Moses as a visible "authority figure" He wanted to let them answer their own prayer:

18. But when their heathenism from being inward became open, then Moses also from being hidden openly appeared; that he might openly punish those whose heathenism had revelled beneath the holy cloud which had overshadowed them.

But God removed the Shepherd of the flock from it for forty days, that the flock might show that its trust was fixed upon the calf.

And he was there in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. Mark 1:13

While God was feeding the flock with all delights, it chose for itself as its Shepherd the calf, which was not able even to eat. Moses who kept them in awe was removed from them, that the idolatry might cry aloud in their mouths, which the restraint of Moses had kept down in their hearts. For they cried: Make us gods, to go before us.

19. But when Moses came down, he saw their heathenism revelling in the wide plain with drums and cymbals. Speedily, he put their madness to shame by means of the Levites and drawn swords.

So likewise here, our Lord concealed His knowledge for a little when the sinful woman approached Him, that the Pharisee might form into shape his thought, as his fathers had shaped the pernicious calf.


THERE WAS NO REDEMPTION: THE OLDER PERISHED WERE "WORN OUT" AND DIED. THE YOUNGER GENERATION WERE SENTENCED TO RETURN TO BABYLON: IN THE MEANTIME THE KINGS GIVEN IN GOD'S ANGER WERE SELECTED TO PLACE EVERYONE IN BONDAGE THE COMMAND FOR THE LEVITES WAS NOT TO BE MUSICAL WORSHIP MINISTERS BUT BE SOOTHSAYERS WITH INSTRUMENTS TO WARN ANY GODLY JEW NOT COME INSIDE THE GATES OR BE SLAUGHTERED.

If you fall for "musical idolatry" God will "set a king over you in his anger to take you captive without a way of excape."

Then and now, the ELDERS rejected God as their leader and SET A SENIOR PASTOR over them to prove they are not able to "teach that which has been taught."

 
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Ken Sublett
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How preachers DELIBERATELY repudiate Christ about the church

February 23 2012, 5:44 PM 

People who intend to SOW DISCORD to make a place in normal society for Professional Religious Musicians claim

That God specificialy commanded "instrumental praise" and ALL use the Levites who performed as SORCERERS with instrumental noise to warn a Jew who did it that they would be executed if they came inside the walls when this WORSHIP OF THE STARRY HOST or DEMON worship was being carried out by the Civil-Military-Clergy complex who demanded that the POOR give them thousands of innocent animals to satisfy their blood and flesh lust.

IN FACT CHRIST DEFINED THE FUTURE DAY OF REST INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY: "DOCTORS OF THE LAW" AND SCRIBES AND PHARISEES (SPEAKERS, SINGERS, MUSICIANS EZ 33) KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU DO NOT HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AS GOD DELIVERED IT.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dogs neck;
he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swines blood;
he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
Yea, they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

That is the Command Example Inference: you get no choice

H8586 talûl tah-al-ool' From H5953 ; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant:babe, delusion Alal (h5953) glean, mock,

Illdo 1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule,
ipsa praecepta (rhetorum), Cic. de Or. 1, 19, 87:
voces Neronis, quoties caneret, Tac. A. 14, 52Plane
plnus , i, m., = planos, I. a juggler, impostor, cheat (class.; cf. erro): ille planus improbissimus, Cic. Clu. 26, 72: fracto crure planum attollere

cno , ccni, cantum (ancient I. [select] imp. cante = canite,
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinat ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae, Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: maestae cecinere tubae, Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9.
C. Since the responses of oracles were given in verse, to prophesy, foretell, predict.

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Jesus died to give us what Christ in Isaiah promised: Part B

February 24 2012, 12:48 PM 

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Part C

February 29 2012, 4:15 PM 

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Thus saith the Spirit OF (preposition) of Christ saith: Isaiah Burden Part D

March 2 2012, 3:56 PM 

I have added clickable links for any elder who is not more APT to chase a coon than APT to "teach that which has been taught.

Thus saith The Spirit OF (Preposition) Christ: Sabbath or REST is the Greek PAUO.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him,

not doing thine own ways,
nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words:


http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html


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Ken Sublett
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Isaiah 58 Laded Burden Part E

March 6 2012, 12:21 PM 

Too bad but Isaiah is Christ's "patternism" for His future REST both inclusively and exclusively. Isaiah 50 outlaws any of the musical mocking prophesied of Jesus:

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.50.Smitten.Plucked.html

ALL of the musical PLUCKING terms point directly to the smiting or crucifixion

Isaiah 55 commands you NOT to pay for the FREE WATER OF THE WORD. Christ always identifies HIS Spirit with HIS Words.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

Isaiah 58 has Christ OUTLAWING seeking your own pleasure or SPEAKING your own words.
All of the instrumental bandits INSIST that a vision or a spirit or someone gave them permission to Speak Beyond the Sacred Pages. CENI is used to MOCK the idea that Jesus wast telling the truth when He commanded that we teach and observe WHAT HE COMMANDED to be taught. Peter makes that the PROPHETS (by christ 1 Pet 1:11) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus, witnessed by the Apostles and left for OUR MEMORY: anyone who does private interpret (further expound) is a false teacher. Part F defines what Christ LIBERATED us from.

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If it hurts refusing to obey is PROOF of strong delusions: lying wonders are all of the performing arts and crafts called HYPOCRITES (Jesus) and SORCERERS (John).


 
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Ken Sublett
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Gender Inclusive and the Biblical and Pagan facts

January 2 2013, 9:15 PM 

Those who attempted to restructure churches of Christ in the image of the NACC handlers have had minimal effect. This began with the Jubilee movement by Rubel Shelly. The attempt first and always denies the Biblical claim to be the only authority for faith and practice in the Kingdom of God which is IN us and therefore worship is IN THE PLACE of the human spirit made into A holy spirit only by request by obedience in Baptism.

That is why those who corrupt the Word or "sell learning at wholesale" are defacto strongly deluded: the MARK is lying wonders which is all of the performing arts and crafts AIMED at the body or carnal nature and not to the Spirit.

A new effort has begun with Mike Cope moving to Pepperdine to begin diverting the young preachers who have no foundation in the bible in the first place: that is why God insisted beginning with the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. The assembly has a one-piece pattern which was to PREACH the word by READING the Word. It comes as no surprise that people assume a ROLE for which there is no DOLE wish to get as many others fleecing the widow's purse as possible. Jesus called them the Scribe and Pharisees, hypocrites. In the Ezekiel 33 pattern Christ names self-preachers, singers and instrument players.

At ACU Ken Cukrowski has picked up the gauntlet after such a miserable failure beginning in about 1984 with NACC handlers.

Because they have no interest in understanding the meaning of WOMEN PROPHESIERS they do not know and do not need to know that they are promoting the WRATH or ORGIES Paul tried to prevent. Because Paul claims to be guided by Jesus Christ now The Holy Spirit and those who USE women claim that is not true then Christ in Jeremiah 23 calls that blaspheming the Holy Spirit OF Christ. They don't even know what is a preposition

JUST FORGET IT: SELLERS OF THE FREE WATER OF THE WORD

THE KINGDOM OF GOD DOES NOT COME WITH OBSERVATION: RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS

http://www.piney.com/Luke.17.Kingdom.Not.Observation.html

http://www.piney.com/Shelly-Women-Homosexual.html

http://www.piney.com/RS.Women.1.11.04.html

http://www.piney.com/RS.Women.1.18.04.html

http://www.piney.com/ACU-OSBURN.html

See Ken Cukrowski Women in Ministry at ACU

http://www.piney.com/Ken.Cukrowski.Women.Ministry.ACU.html

See Ken Cukrowski claiming that the old and new testaments authorizes women prophets. Maybe "covered"

http://www.piney.com/Ken.Cukrowski.Uncovered.Prophets.1.Corinthans.11.html

Mike Cope A Cappella Music

http://www.piney.com/Mike.Cope.A.Cappella.Music.html

Mike Cope Women Worship Leaders

http://www.piney.com/Mike.Cope.Women.Worship.Leaders.html

Another good soul whose church life was destroyed went on to a better place after deserting the Hohenwald Church.


    
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The Sad Story of "unity" We take EVERYONE'S money!

January 3 2013, 1:21 PM 

It is a historical fact that when you make a people into slaves, the slaves DEFINE your culture.

http://www.piney.com/RmHymns.html

No one in history failed to understand that self-composed and performed rhetoric, singing and playing in the name of a god (demon) was IDOLATRY. If you give your ATTENDANCE to anything other than the Word then you are an idolater and "having sex with the spirits" is confessed to be the ACT just before the ACT of "giving of substance. In the words of Paul and me, "Fools LOVE to be fooled." happy.gif

Churchy type singing came out of black America: when the masters silenced the drumming meeting, the slaves became Methodists and substituted polyrhythmic hand clapping (body-druming still the primitive drumming on)

See the Voodoo connection with "revival" songs with hand-clapping or "drumming." It derives from Jazz and Rock and Roll an explicit effort to make the spirits come.

Gospel Music as Christian worship music

"A form of black American music derived from church worship services and from spiritual and blues singing. Gospel music spread through song publishing, concerts, recordings, and radio and television broadcasts of religious services from the Great Depression days of the 1930s.

The immediate impetus for gospel music seems to have been

the rise of Pentecostal churches at the end of the 19th century.

Pentecostal shouting is related to speaking in tongues and to circle dances of African origin.


The Stoneites or Christians early on introduced the SHOUTING METHODISTS as an act of worship. That attracted people who wanted instruments.

http://www.piney.com/Cane.Ridge.Shouting.Method.html

Recordings of Pentecostal preachers' sermons were immensely popular among American blacks in the 1920s, and recordings of them along with their choral and instrumental accompaniment and congregational participation persisted,

so that ultimately gospel reached the white audience as well.

The voice of the black gospel preacher was affected by black secular performers, and vice versa.

Taking the scriptural direction "Let everything that breathes praise the Lord" (Psalms, 150), Pentecostal churches welcomed timbrels, pianos, organs, banjos, guitars, other stringed instruments, and some brass into their services.

Choirs often featured the extremes of female vocal range in antiphonal counterpoint with the preacher's sermon. Improvised recitative passages, melismatic singing, and extravagant expressivity also characterize gospel music. (See Pentecostalism.)

Other forms of gospel music have included the singing and acoustic guitar playing of itinerant street preachers; individual secular performers, sometimes accompanied by bands; and harmonizing male quartets, usually singing a cappella, whose acts included dance routines and stylized costumes.


Black music helped destroy the Black Family and a CHURCH NEAR YOU has absorbed it in their ears 24/7 and are COMPELLED to answer NO when Jesus asks "could you not tarry with me for one hour?" No, no, no!

John told you that it was sorcery or witchcraft and that witches are cast alive into the lake of fire. Yes, Yes, Yes pleads the ACU workshops CALL for God's Holy Fire.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Russ Adcox More Thoughts on Silence

January 17 2013, 10:06 PM 

After getting a REVISED view of the Law of Silence, Russ Adcox declares that is something is imposed because there is not Biblical evidence (assuming that Christ the Spirit is not culture current) then EVERYONE must SHUT UP and be silent and not UPSET the unity.

http://www.piney.com/Russ.Adcox.More.Thoughts.On.Silence.html

Those who Affirm or Conform to the use of instruments in the School of Christ get lots of mileage out of denouncing those who will not GO ALONG to GET ALONG.

However, there is no educational reason that most preachers have any idea of the teachings of the Bible especially if their SPEAKING where Christ is SILENT is so powerful that it escapes the fact that God hates INSTRUMENTS in the holy places and assigned the Levitical
Soothsayers the command to EXECUTE any godly person who came near the horrors of the NOT commandes sacrificial system.

And it is immune to God's hatred of people who SO DISCORD as "seeing Godliness as a means of financial gain" or occupation which Paul called CORRUPTING the word.

The only way of escape is to obey the direct command, Jesus approved example, commands in the epistles and recorded history before the reformation:

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.


That was the pattern ordained by Christ in the wilderness and RESTORED by the Campbells before the Evangelists lost their GO button and become entertainers of goats.

I will take a look at the GREAT DEBATE with Russ playing the part of the NON-Instrumentalists to make them look evil.



 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 18 2013, 5:05 PM 

Russ Adcox decided to determine the instrumental question by holding a debate.

http://www.piney.com/Russ.Adcox.Great.Debate.Instrumental.Music.html

An elder debated AGAINST of instruments.
Russ Adcox debated in favor of instruments when he denied that he could really be such an evil creature

Russ plays the part of the PERSONA promoted by the NACC against ANTI-instrumentalists. which he PORTRAYS with all of the ugly attitudes the instrumentalists have used for more than a century. This pretending to KNOW the proof texts and the acted character can only have the effect of sowing discord toward those outside of the Russ Church. One suspects that Maury Hill is alienated from Churches of Christ and enjoy being abusive to those whom they have been carefully trained to hate.

If you AFFIRM that the instrumental sectarians were CORRECT or if you CONFORM by "fellowship" they will not hurt you.

However, if you are an ANTI-instrumentalists you will NOT shut up when agents Infiltrate and Divert you into a "theater for holy entertainment."

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off.

But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk. We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted, like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Of course, all of these are THEOLOGIANS and there is no reason to expect that they are serious Bible students or Disciples of Christ.


 
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Ken Sublett
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Russ Adcox Psalms Includes Musical Instruments

January 18 2013, 9:26 PM 

Russ keeps assuring the people that the Psallo type words (from Psao base or SOP) INCLUDES THE USE of musical instruments.

http://www.piney.com/Russ.Adcox.Psalms.Includes.Instruments.html

Unfortunately none of it is based on the Bible but on rich and famous preacher-authors who PURPOSED to restructure all churches of Christ in the model of the NACC sected out of the Disciples as late as 1971.

Whatever churches of Christ have believed and practiced seems to be the target of young men "trained by Prophetic teachers to serve as Channellers to go out and Facilitate the Changes needed to conservative Churches of Christ."

This using the Purpose Driven Cult's methods intends to sow discord to UPSET the people and make them more amenable to the NEEDED changes. However there is no connection to the historic church of Christ or that defined by Christ beginning in the wilderness as a School (only) of Word of God (only) which excluded all of the hypocritic or performing artists.

There is absolutely no remote HINT of "music" in the tuneful sense of melody which belongs to the 19th century. And certainly melody even now means a series of single tones and has no connection to complex MELODY which intends to frazzle your nerves and make you think a "spirit" person is stroking all of your pleasure centers.

You cannot teach these follies and be any kind of Church of Christ.


 
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Saddened by the Blindness

January 21 2013, 10:34 PM 

One of the defining points I have heard all my life about the church of Christ is that it is not a denomination. Each congregation is independent in that there is no board of governors, national organization, common creed, or convention to vote on what is the church's official stance. Yet when individual congregations have differing interpretations of the Scriptures, the traditionalists call for a separation from the offending congregation. "If you do not look, act, sound, and teach exactly like us, you are not part of us. Your differtent interpretation of the Scriptures means you are no longer a part of our denomination.... er.... ummm.... God does not accept you."

 
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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 22 2013, 7:23 PM 

The Instrumental Sectarians have been the only ones who have separated themselves from those who can read the Biblical text. They have just finished about 30 years under the NACC trying to convince people that instrumental music is REALLY remotely connected with the Church of Christ. Both ACU and Pepperdine have men WAGED to try to "retrain" young preachers that instrumental music MUST be imposed. Too bad that the Bible speaks of wind, string and percussion instruments as imposed by Lucifer the 'singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden" or that John warns about the End-Time Babylon whore who uses self-preachers, singers and instruments to DECEIVE the whole world. John calls them Sorcerers and says that they WILL be cast alive into the lake of fire. can't you tolerate at least one well-spent disciple to exist: By the way the bible says that Disciples go to the School of Christ.

I don't interpret anything

http://www.piney.com/The.Ekklesia.A.Church.of.Christ.html

Your assignment if you want to not or be left behind is:

Find any assembly, gathering, coming together including that approved by Jesus who violated the Inclusive-Exclusive command which allowed both Jews and Gentiles to be "wise unto salvation,"

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
......hath in every city
......them that preach him,
......being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is an open forum and you are free to speak up: Would you interpret any Biblical Text which would give one authority to promote a HOBBY and then try to enforce it on other people while masking as a Minister of Jesus Christ. Autonomy does not give elders the liberty to endorse and feed any person who does not know how to READ whole thought patterns without trying to go beyond "that which is written for our learning" or as elders "teach that which has been taught" as THE LIMITS of a preacher's resource.

Looking forward for someone to buck up and give us a reason for any hope for those who do not PREACH the word by READING the Word and discussing it rather than peddling the Free Water of the Word.






 
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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 24 2013, 8:18 PM 

The charge that trying to inform people about the wickedness of IMPOSING musical instruments by claiming that God COMMANDED it is called JUDGMENTALISM. Judging, as we might imagine, is done by those intending to RETRAIN all of the young preachers to join the Instrumental Band.

Whoever made the charge should respond if he has any evidence to support deliberately sowing massive discord to make a place in the mainstream for that which excites and disgusts at the same time.

All of the JUDGING has been done over a decade-long planned agenda to deprive young preachers of the truth about instrumental music. Counting the numbers involved, the "unity" agenda has spread more judgmentalism than in recorded history. Anyone who sees "music" as an adjunct to the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles, when there is no command, example or remote inference of anyone in the Bible or before the Reformation to SING congregationally with or without instruments is just FABRICATING.

If you don't know that Jesus, Paul and Peter SAT DOWN all of the Scribes and pharisess, hypocrites (speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33) to make the EKKLESIA of Christ remotely possible then you simply have never read the Bible beyond passing tests or gittin up sermons.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Spirit.Word.Christ.html

1. To say that those who refuse to be FORCED into something they have never done in the 2. Bible and recorded history of the Church of Christ are TRADITIONALISTS
--if done on a private level is ignorance:
--if done publically to demean others is lying about God, to God and godly people.

3. If people in high places say that REJECTING others efforts to IMPOSE musical worship teamss(a heresy) are SECTARIAN (heretics) then they INTENTIONALLY pass judgment on those who have the Word and recorded history on their side.

1. If you say that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL praise because you SAY God commanded the Levites as Musical Worship Ministers for animal sacrifices.
2. When Scripture teaches them as Jacob-cursed, God-abandoned to worship the STARRY HOST
3. When the proof text says that DAVID commanded the NOISE and God commanded the Levites to prophesy as SOOTHSAYERS to EXECUTE any one not connected with the God-abandoned sacrificial system.
4. The the Spirit Of Christ in Jeremiah says that they Despise or BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit of Christ who inspired the prophets.

1. If they claim that a spirit commanded you to IMPOSE "instrumental praise."
2. And God did not command instrumental praise
3. The the Spirit OF Christ calls you a Blasphemer. If you need a second opinion you are hated because Amos warns about bringing music into the holy places. If you need a third opinion God HATES you because you plan to sow massive discord seeing godliness as a means of financial gain (profession).

1. If you say that MAKING MUSIC in the ekklesia-synagogue AIDS Jesus
2. When The ekklesia--synagogue ordained in the wilderness EXCLUDED "vocal or instrumental rejoicing."
3. Then, you intentional violate the direct command of Christ, the historical practice of the Jews, the approved example of Jesus, the command of Jesus in coming to be THE only Spirit teacher of HIS ekklesia or assembly. As well as almost 4 centuries before anyone decided to sow discord by ADDING singing as an ACT of liturgy.

1. If you say that Christ commanded a LAW of Lay By in Store to FINANCE this foolishness.
2. When Jesus paid it all and Paul said it was NOT a command even for the destitute
3. Then Paul and common decency says that you are an EXTORTIONIST.

1. If you say that you have AUTHORITY to fabricate your own songs and sermons
2. When the Spirit OF Christ outlawed SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

3. And the ELDERS as pastor-teachers are limited to "teaching that which has been taught"
Then you are ANTI-Christian because you have no intention of obeying the ONLY pattern for assemblying as A School of the Word.

You are free to consult any scholar to refute my assertions which any disciple can prove and is the opinion of the Holy Spirit OF Christ: I don't make up things and I don't try to sell my OWN words claiming to be a minister of Christ.

 
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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 25 2013, 11:55 AM 

"Judging" is one of those words launched any time anyone questions people. The NEW law of silence is 'WE have the right to IMPOSE on you and YOU must sit down and shut up or YOU will be judging and sowing discord.

Secondly, those who hallucinate a musical or other performance act as belonging to the School of Christ where HE has prescribed the curriculum do not know and probably do not care that there is not a jot or tittle inf FAVOR and masses of information outlawing anything other than TEACHING the Prophets and Apostles as the FOUNDATION upon which A church of Christ is built or EDUCATED.

Those who get you to build them a mega church and then say, Oh yes! we are going to divert YOUR property into a neo pagan worship center is THE definition of judgmentalism. ALL musical terms in one way or another identify the CRAFT of the enchanters or sorcerers. That fits the end-time prophecy.

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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 25 2013, 12:30 PM 

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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 25 2013, 12:42 PM 

Jeff Walling may have been the first to INTRUDE into a lecture to say that INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is not condemned for the church.

http://www.piney.com/Rick.Atchley.Chris.Seidman.Instrumental.Music.Delusion.html

We understood the frog-boiling process which takes one of those VISIONS and about a decade to go INSTRUMENTAL which is radically condemned in the Bible and by all recorded history until the Disciples-Christian churches outed the PSALLO word to justify the deliberate sowing of discord to become INSTRUMENTAL or musical sectarians.

There is no reason that they should rest on the WORD but on their own hallucinations that a spirit person is leading them

Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.

Back in the 80s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that theyre going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
.....for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
.....They never heard the sermons we heard.
.....They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
.....with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
.....We discipled our children to leave our Movement!


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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 25 2013, 8:38 PM 

History proves that aroused forms of rhetoric (outlawed for the church in the wilderness) or the urge for religious music makes one want to check their manhood. In Markus Reciting the Book which is the masculine role in patriarchal worship:

11 Hence, I argue first that the representation of the epic recital is highly dependent upon the representation of other public performances and, second, that epic's social image is attacked and reclaimed via its public performance.

In fact, behind the criticisms of the epic recital often lie issues about the performance of gender and social status.

In that regard, epic's position is parallel to that of rhetoric. Beginning with Aristotle's Rhetorica (1404a), critics of rhetorical performance have ascribed to lively delivery the same effect as that of acting. There is a persistent association between theatrics, bad rhetoric and effeminacy.

Rhetoric was forever at pains to disentangle itself from unwanted associations with female deception and histrionic art,

because it was viewed as the art of socially weak women and slaves,
and rhetoricians of all ages have assiduously fought against any trace of bodily and vocal practice associated with these groups.


We didn't say that this is a problem: we just say that the function of the Levites and all religious performers is the persona of women or weak males probably dominated.

Jeff Walling promoting women and music.

http://www.piney.com/Walling1995.html



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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ

January 28 2013, 8:02 PM 

Jeff Walling "Follows the lead of the Lord" but NOT the Scripture. However, he reads just enough to hear Paul guided by the Spirit OF Christ deny any STAFF roles for men or women other than PREACHING the Word by READING the Word. This LAW OF SILENCE is clearly defined in the Prophets and Apostles upon whom the church is uniquely EDUCATED. No man or woman can go beyond that without violating a direct command of Christ in the prophets.

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.Women.In.Ministry.html


 
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Re: Maury Hills a Church of Christ [Winterfest added]

January 29 2013, 5:12 PM 

Those lying about God in order to IMPOSE musical instruments or "machines for doing hard work mostly in making war or arousing religious panic" CLAIM that the WEAK in Romans 14 are the ANTI-instrumentalists and THEY are sick of catering to them so they plan to OFFEND everyone to prove that they are trying to force the WEAK to get strong enough to tolerate instrumental PERFORMERS in the School of Christ.

Unfortunately for the PROGRESSIVES and most churches dominated with men with a Preaching Permit, there is not the slightest interest in defining words so they just, says Jeff Walling and the Winterfest 2013 crowd, let the LORD LEAD them. Now, if a person had to dismantle a land wind and let the lord lead him "beyond the sacred pages" we would say good riddance to another fool out of the DNA pool.

On the contrary, Paul said DON'T EVEN ACCEPT the Weak in Romans 14 which is the sermonizers, singers, instrument players and actors.

However, in Romans 15 the synagogue or ekklesia is defined to EXCLUDE the instrumental mind blinders and ACCEPT those who are WEAK in body or faith. After all the ONE PIECE PATTERN is to edify or EDUCATE those who are weak in the faith. The musicators intend to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." It seems to be working.

That permits the ABSOLUTE PATTERN for the church: "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning" which is SCRIPTURE and the only way to glorify or praise God:

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