Maury Hills (Columbia Tn) split a faithful Highland Church of Christ to start their own church. Russ Adcox is minister there, and they believe in using instruments and fellowshiping with denominations... they are strong believers in the purpose driven church model.
My bet is that the trumpet-like voice of Jesus would sound while all of the Judas Church is engaged in musical idolatry: they claim to be LIGHTING THE FIRES already.
Next, I will show you that the Judas Bag and the SOP (root for psallo) shows the blasphemy of mocking Jesus with the "vocal and instrumental rejoicing" as well as rhetorical (sissy) outlawed for the Church in the wilderness and left as a "Way of Escape" for the Godly people even as the Levites engaged in SOOTHYING with INSTRUMENTAL ACCOMPANIMENT to keep the godly people away from the curse of animal slaughter as Rick Atchley, etal PATTERNISM.
Then I will show you how Rick Atchley etal BOAST about pulling the Judas Movement on unsuspecting churches.
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Russ is the son of a ONCE elder in Hohenwald. He was trained by his uncle in the Purpose Driven Cult and fulfills the desire of the ACU agenda to exercise "prophetic roles to train people to channell and facilatite CHANGING the "old conservative" churches of Christ into a cult. The first time I watched him speak he began referring to Max Lucado who also lied about all of the Bible to remove CHRIST from their publich confession and by using the Lynn Anderson family twisted the now-alert elders to an ALWAYS female hostile takeover and adding instrumental music. ALL of these people read off a script prepared by the NACC writers. They first invented PSALLO as a musical word in 1878 but even then their scholars would not defend them. What they fail to notice that ALL of the ancient documents they use to TRY to justify "melody in the HEART" as "melody UPON a harp" are in the context of older males PLUCKING a harp to seduce a young male.
Russ was brought back to Hohenwald and as heir-apparent came floating in and I swear that his feet did not touch the ground. Even as the people were accusing him of "picking" a preacher and him denying it HE brought a compliant PREACHER and hired a local Purpose Driven Cultist expert who had tried to restructure a small, conservative church: that is the way they begin.
Russ confessed that you could not divert a well-established congregation so they pick off the weak. Pretty soon we had the women all happy clappy that they were gonna get a chance, the elders (father, father-in-law) brought in a guy who CONFESSED that he did not believe in baptism and defended instrumental music. Of course, the literate picked up on that from day one. The elders confessed privately and then denied and one elder claimed that "I don't care what the Bible says." I think this was mostly a Stepford Wives thing who did not have a church background.
An ex member hoping to return to Hohenwald confronted the elders and the crap begin to stink outloud. The preacher later resigned after defending Russ' rationale (?) about who is saved. Their view was that one MIGHT be saved without baptism so WE WON'T TEACH AGAINST IT. Russ got into trouble with the parents when he began fellowshiping a Church of God and was diverting the youth.
They were caught in the middle of their Purpose Driven Cultist plan to infiltrate and get things well planned before you LEAP. Like Madison, Hohenwald was caught in the middle of the leap. The new GYM (read Second Maccabees for the MARK of they GYMN) was to SUCK in the youth but all of the yought fled. They finally had to sell off property lto pay the bills when the LEAP went from at times close to 350 to less than 200.
Russ found a suitable church to DIVERT and of course they made a loud proclamation that "we be a cappella but we do not condemn instruments." This is the first "let's boil the frogs" meaning that when the time is right we will DIVERT (steal) the church for instruments. When this happens it is always a MARK of the Stepfort Wives and a GENDER CONFUSED leadership: sorry but the bible and all recorded history proves it. Of COURSE you have to wait for someone else to PROCURE you a venue for "holy entertainment" before you begin to SLITHER in the music and musicators: you just watch those singy boys and gag. Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees HYPOCRITES by pointing directly to slick speakers, singers and instrument players where both LOVELY SONGS and PLAYING point directly to a perverted, professional group working ONLY for your mone and their glory. Then John called them SORCERERS.
ALL of Russ's Thought Leaders who PLANNED to divert ALL churches of Christ to being INSTRUMENTAL have deliberately LIED about every Bible mention of an instrument and about all of historic scholarship which connects religious music to Satan, Warriors, Exorcists in the CURSED sacrificial system, prostitutes and Sodomites. Jesus told us so when the CLERGY hoped that John wore SOFT clothing and he CAST OUT the musical minstrels "like dung" and when He MARKED the MEN of that race as CHILDREN piping, singing and dancing in the marketplace they sold radishes and pagan religon and bodies of young "chorus leaders."
As THE MARK of these end times, the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 uses "lusted after fruits" as slick speakers, singers, instrument players and CRAFTSMEN: these were "theater builders and stagemanagers." The SOUNDS of the millstone came from a pipping sound and MARKED the concubines or prostitutes part of all MUSICAL religions. No female can perform publically without deliberately exercising the AUTHENTIA authority word.
You have only TWO conclusions about this small band of deliberate sowers of discord.
1. They are terminally ignorant of the Bible because they CANNOT quote without lying.
2. Or, they are terminally EVIL as John identifes all of these people as SORCERERS who HAD already deceived the whole world.
3. In no case, can these people refuse the mark of gender confusion where history notes that of all religious singers who played instruments that "they were drunk, perverted or just having fun or mocking.
Beginning with the Levitical Warrior Musicians added as part of the curse of Musical Idolatry at Mount Sinai, they took over UNIVERSALLY FEMALE roles: the names of their guilds, their dress and their performance. That is because God had abandoned them to the universally perverted worship they prayed for at Mount Sinai. There is no exception that this is the MARK of those who have already fallen from Grace.
Even if they DO lie about all of the "instrument" terms in the Bible, their QUEST is to restore the Pagan worship to which God abandoned the ELITE of Israel. The faithful Israelites always attended synagogue beginning as the church in the wilderness which was INCLUSIVE of Rest, reading and rehearsing the Word. It was EXCLUSIVE of all vocal and instrument rejoicing. That continued parallel with the cursed sacrificial system and Jesus affirmed the synagogue as a place to READ the Word.
I will post more links on this page to prove that 100% of the recorded evidence shows that Russ is a false teacher and he does not have one jot or tittle which he can use without deliberatley lying: lying is no longer a sin in the postmodern world of the ONCE-christian universities.
From the time Russ strutted in in Hohenwald the membership cringed because they knew what was going to happen. He left a stink in the churches in our county which will never blow away. The church and personal damage he deliberately caused will never be forgiven, ever, never.
I am very saddened by what I am reading. I accidently stumbled accross this site looking for the church website. It is very sad how you want to assasinate a persons character who obviously is trying to spread Gods word. Weather you who are "enlightened by the truth" agree with him or not that is what he is trying to do. Im sure Jesus is very saddened as well @ your ranting and ravings. I think to win souls for Christ you need to focus on Jesus and Jesus is Love not hate. I would hope that you might let this negative, I know better than you, attitude go and try and live like Jesus. I will pray for you.
When you spred God's Word for the Church of Christ that is:
The Prophets by the Spirit of Christ
and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus Christ.
Peter said that if you don't do that you are MARKED as a false teacher.
False teachers--most preachers--presume to compose their own imagination into songs and sermons: God said that man's imagination is only evil continually. They will hurt you.
Christ, the Rock, Who defined the Church of Christ in the wilderness commanded:
INCLUSIVE of Rest, reading and rehearsing the Word of God.
EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing including 'elevated forms of speaking."
Jesus referred to Isaiah and in the Ezekiel 33 version identified the Scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players and the audience who had no intention of listening to God:
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
.......hath in every city them that preach him,
.......being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
That never changed when Jesus exampled and ocmmanded the ekklesia. Paul used that direct command when he EXCLUSED any of the hypocritic arts and crafts and commanded that we "use one mind and one mouth to speak "that which is written for our learning."
Christ in Spirit defined A Church of Christ especially in Isaiah both inclusively and exclusively.
First, he excluded the musical mocking which was telling Christ to shut His mouth. Preaching out of one's head or from lifted outlines is mocking Jesus:
In Isaiah 55 Christ commanded us NOT to spend our money on what is not bread: He gave us the Free Water of the Word and anyone who PRETENDS to sell the word is defined by the word "pharisee" who invents his own dogma so he can sell it to steal the food out of the widow's mouth. Isaiah 55 draws an identity between His Word and His Spirit (mind). People who preach normally hallucinate that there is a "spirit" person guiding them to write and compose their droppings.
If you pay for the word you are enabling a robber who sells you food with a sawdust filler. You are equally guilty because too often your contribution to the "Lord" is going to be diverted.
Christ outlawed seeking our own pleasure (songs and sermosn they hallucinate) or SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS. You can all SPEAK THE SAME THINGS because the pattern was to READ the Biblical Text and discus it.
The Lord's Supper is another teaching/remembering activity: if you hum or sing during the Lord's Supper you cannot be Christian material: of faith, of truth.
No, "Love" never trumps truth. That is what we know to be psychological violence. Jesus said "if you love me you will keep my commandments." Jesus commanded to be taught what He commanded to be taught. That includes the Prophets and Apostles. If the preacher wants to be loved by the world he cannot be a Christian. Jesus said he wouldn't even pray for the world. Jesus said that God HIDES Himself from the wise. The preacher doesn't know it but the wise is a SOPHIST meaning a technician: rhetorician, singer, instrument player.
The beast in Revelation is not a four-legged beast: the beast is defined as "a new style of singing or drama." I would say that anyone who uses any kind of music--always defined as sorcery (Rev 188:23 etal gives you the MARK OF THE BEAST: and you will hate anyone who opposes you.
If you say that God commanded instrumental music in worship.
And God did not commande instrumental music.
The Christ in Jeremiah 23 says that you BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT.
No one is competent to hire their body out as an authoratative teacher.
That is why God always commands that we READ or SPEAK The Words of God
Everyone uses the PATTERNISM of the Levites who were the exclusive "instrument players." What the simple minds who never read the text do not know is that after the fall from Grace because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, God singled out the Jacob-cursed tribe of Levi to bear the burden of the Tabernacle and bear the burden of their own iniquities. The Levites got their job because they jumped at the chance to slaughter 3,000 of the "brethren" who had fallen into musical idolatry of the trinity.
Forever, after they stood in RANKS to slaughter any civilians who came too close to the slaughter of innocent animals. Any singer or instrument player who came into the Holy Place--typical of the church--was to be executed instantly.
Never follow a multitude to do evil: We are to do battle with the evil principalities and powers in high places (podiums).
There are good and godly churches out there: "Many are called but few are chosen" which means tested as if by fire. If a church is popular don't ever trust them whatever name they use. Church is ekklesia or synagogue or School of the Word of Christ in the Prophets and apostles: if they go beyond that then mark it that it is some person taking you captive.
When people say "we are Acappella" they twist the word "a cappella" which identifies a small group of castratos singing harmony or "organum" after the pipe organ and not after the Chapel (cape, caper, goat skin). So, they do a legalistic end run around the MACHINES LAW and accomplish the same thing. They violate both the directly commanded RESOURCE and STYLE. Denying that the Bible is violently opposed to instruments and always shows them as a MARK of evil people, is a ploy which probably means that WE WILL add instruments. AFFIRMING others is a clear way to "cut out" the sheep from other faithful churches to build their own little kingdom. This is both evil and ignorant.
Totally ignorant or totally unaware, the rise of the MUSICAL MINISTERS and their style has always been called SORCERY and defines the "laded burden" or spiritual anxiety through religious "burden singing" as totally Paleo-christian and destructive to the mind and emotions and probably the soul. Connect this to the "testing" of the OCCULT is symptomatic of ancient PAGANISM and not complimentary of the "scholarship." Lipscomb will promote both the worship heresy and something that sounds occult.
The twice-daily PRACTICE of connecting "praise singing" to the worship of a Spirit God is defined by all known evidence as a form of sorcery or witchcraft. The grouping and affirmation of the massed multitudes will alter your brain even if you scoff.
Consistent with the Bible and good mental health, believers are taught to seek God (Paul's only worship concept) by giving heed to His Word. The very style of musical performance always points to "enchantment" and modern medicine knows that it works by inducing a drug high: endorphins which induce the impulse of FIGHT, FLIGHT and SEXUAL feelings. That is why all churches having "installed" a college-trained "worship minister" cause many of the owners to flee.
And when a symphony's denouement gives delicious chills, the same kinds of pleasure centers of the brain light up as they do when eating chocolate, having sex or taking cocaine.
Both Jesus and Paul use terms for the laded burden, self-pleasure and rest which prove that they knew that all kinds of musical performance was called sorcery and explicitely linked to "reproaching Jesus" which meant to "expose His private parts" as well as other sexual and perverted images.
Therein lies an intriguing biological mystery: Why is music--universally beloved and uniquely powerful in its ability to wring emotions--so pervasive and important to us? Could its emergence have enhanced human survival somehow, such as by aiding courtship, as Geoffrey F. Miller of the University of New Mexico has proposed? Or did it originally help us by promoting social cohesion in groups that had grown too large for grooming, as suggested by Robin M. Dunbar of the University of Liverpool? On the other hand, to use the words of Harvard University's Steven Pinker, is music just "auditory cheesecake"--a happy accident of evolution that happens to tickle the brain's fancy?
The sexual and homosexual connection is absolute in all of recorded history: the "singers were happy to be the harem of the gods" and the performers are seeking their OWN pleasure as they USE you and thereby bleed off ALL of the worship for themsleves.
It is clear that different parts of the brain process music and speech: that is why the direct command is to SPEAK even when we "sing that which is written" in the style of the time. SPEAK is defined--for any student--as the opposite to poetry and music. Myth Mongers were allowed to write songs and poems because they never wrote the truth. That is why "singers" are USED to silence the Words of Christ. For that reason John called rhetoric, singing and instrument players SORCERERS consistent witl all Greek texts.
It has been the sectarianizing patternism for churches which engage in the Church Growth Cult and build mega churches to fall into some kind of primal madness and quite willingly lie about all of the Bible and known literature to IMPOSE first musical worship teams and then instruments knowing that they were deliberately sowing discord having "counted the losses as acceptable."
Don't be put off by the term "instrumental" because the Acappella (hides a cappella) praise team is a defacto MUSICAL instrument but using organic instruments. If you listen you will hear the pseudo-instruments and even the "animal" sounds which in the pre-illiterate period was a sign of demonism.
“See how they sang! ‘That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David.’ Musical sounds gratified their auricular sensibilities, and they chanted to the ‘viol.’ Here is the lust of the ear... What a description this of a people that lived and wrought entirely for the senses! They were practical materialists. They had no spiritual vision, sensibilities, or experience. Their imperishable souls were submerged in the deep flowing sea of mere animal pleasures... There is, indeed, a reference to intellectual effort, for it is said, ‘they invented to themselves instruments of music.’ Carnal indulgencies has ever been and is now as much, if not more than ever, the great employer of man’s inventive faculties.” (Pulpit Commentary, The Book of Amos, p. 131).
Naturally, the most crowd--attracting speakers have been instrumental in trying to "restructure" what they call the ANTI-instrumental Church of Christ into the use of instruments. The ploy of calling congregational singing "Acappella" and using performance singers whose "style" is instrumental paves the way for adding instruments.
Not surprisingly, the curse of the Monarchy now being used to say that God commands musical worship, was LIKE THE NATIONS because that is what God abandoned Israel to.
Click for the Old Style Babylon worship
"According to the system which Nimrod was the grand instrument in introducing, men were led to believe
that a real spiritual change of heart was unnecessary,
and that so far as change was needful,
they could be regenerated by mere external means.
"Looking at the subject in the light of the Bacchanalian orgies (Read Ephesus and Corinth), which, as the reader has seen, commemorated the history of Nimrod, it is evident that he led mankind to seek their chief good in sensual enjoyment,
and showed them how they might enjoy the pleasures of sin, without any fear of the wrath of a holy God. (Voodoo, Rock, Boogie Woogie becomes Contemporary Christian Music)
"In his various expeditions he was always accompanied by troops of women; and by music and song, and games (ritual drama) and revelries, and everything that could please the natural hearts,
he commended himself to the good graces of mankind." (Hislop, Alexander, The Two Babylons, p. 55, Loizeaux Brothers)
Of course, if you have listened to some of these speakers they all have a highly-honed style of rhetoric which says, "Look at me: ain't I cute? Listen to me? ain't I entertaining your pleasure centers?" So, one observer noted that such gatherings sell SNAKE OIL but I wouldn't buy any CD's or BOOK any performances.
Is this Ken Sublett for real? That is the most hate-filled attack on a brother that I've read! Wow. Taking gray matters and making them black-and-white is the height of Phariseeism! Mr. Sublett has got that much mastered. Unbelieveable.
Is this Ken Sublett for real? That is the most hate-filled attack on a brother that I've read! Wow. Taking gray matters and making them black-and-white is the height of Phariseeism! Mr. Sublett has got that much mastered. Unbelieveable.
Not gray matters at all if you have any grey matters. You defend what the Bible and all historic scholarship as untaught and I think calling yourself a Church of Christ is a way to steal sheep.
If you call it a gray matter then you are by definition calling yourself a sectrian because heresy is adding or teaching something not necessary to conduct school of the Bible knowing that you are sowing discord and as with the Purpose driven Cult as applied counts the losses as acceptable knowing that you can provide venue to skim off other sheep. That is legalism because there is no "Law of giving" to fund you. I am personally missing a big hole in my bank account because of collecting under false intentions planning to divert the money. Lots of people in the poorest county in the state suddenly found their "investment" missing: we put people into prison for that.
No literate Bible student could call "music" an untaught matter, NOR could they affirm others an JUDGE them right.
One cannot be a Pharisee without doing the following:
Taking the free water of the Word, scambling it and "selling it retail." That is what Peter called corrupting the Word by selling learning at retail which also defines adultery.
Changing the Word to keep from having to obey the direct command to teach that which is written.
Jesus called the Scribes and Phrisees hypocrites by pointing to such speakers, singers and musicians. John called them "fruity" and the rhetoricians (your preacher is not trained to teach that which has been taught" sorcerers who had deceived the whole world.
I would suggest that you really remove Christ off your public confession (You will) so you don't get to suck in the untaught from the Church of Christ and the denomintions at the same time." You cannot be a friend of the World and of Christ at the same time. Being "ecumenical" simply means "I have no principles."
The Church of Christ has the Bible, all church scholarship, founders of denominations and miniml common sense on its side which says that you cannot be an ekklesia and an agora at the same time.
Try to articulate why you think that it is optional when all of history refutes you. Looking at the programs it looks like someone wants to regulate your lives all week. Don't give them any money--that is stealng from the widow and honest working people.
This Wednesday night Maury Hills held a combined worship with the Central Christian Church. This worship had insturnental music and the sermon was done by a shepard at CCC.
I have been living in Houston for about three months now and wanted to find a place to worship God. I went to GOOGLE "church" "houston" and "christ" and found this site.
Please tell me that this is some kind of joke or hoax. There can't be people like this in the world who really believe the things you are saying and who have the spirit that you ALL have. This "ken" guy is over the top. Do you believe in God and Jesus or just your own intellect? I guess religion IS dead! Maybe I am better off staying out of churches...buddhism anyone?
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John,
I also did a Google search on "church houston christ" with results of about 349,000. No, I wouldn't painstakingly check every link address until I found ConcernedMembers and "More Churches" specifically.
But how did you end up at this "crazy site" and this thread: "Maury Hills" of TN?
One more question: You may not recall this, but at the outset, did you notice when it said: "There are thousands of Churches undergoing hostile takeovers and being changed into a venue of "Holy Entertainment" by the "community church" movement...."?
If not, please review that introductory statement. I think that you will have a better perspective of why this site came into being in the first place.
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As I said before, Maury Hills (Columbia Tn) split a faithful Highland Church of Christ to start their own church. I am looking for an article written by their first preacher (Larry Rogers) when the church was first started. I think it is called "Maury Hills; a dynamic vision for Maury County". If anyone has access to a copy of this article, please drop me an email.
The preacher at Maury Hills is a product of ACU whose scholarship has become a laughing stock. Yet, they feel that they have the mandate to exercise prophetic roles to prepare men and women to go out and act as chanellers to facilitate the demise of the "conservative" church of Christ. I have reviewed the ACU SUMMIT and have blogged with Bobby Valentine the expert on K.C.Moser in his second advent: true to prophecy he seems to be leading asray the ELECT. Here is what I have reviewed so far. Romans was the FAITH ONLY thesis:
K.C.Moser Righteousness from Romans from The Way of Salvation: a Baptists heresy never taught by their "fathers." Because it is based on "proof texts" which do not recognize the Old Testament meaning nor Paul's parallel statements, I have looked primarily at the book of Romans. Like the Musical Idolatry I suppose I could paraphrase "Letting blood by the sumps of prelatial pride* is the seed of Restoration." * said of Harvard as a log cabin.
K.C.Moser: Can the Gospel Be Obeyed? Moser says that to BELIEVE in Jesus is to OBEY THE GOSPEL. Not only a little word study but all recorded history would warn that his latter-day disciples have a "theological thinking process" which Jesus said causes them to "take away the key to knowledge." They have "cast a circle" intending to leave the rest of us outside.
K.C.Moser The Gift of the Holy Spirit. Moser with H.Leo Boles may have fed off one another to introduce a NEO - trinitarianism or really Tritheism (Polytheism) into the Restoration Movement in the 1930s. Since Moser has experienced his second coming it is important to grasp that he may have helped invent the "proof text out of context" which is further or expounded violating Peters law against private interpretation. I have become working on this new-but-old heresy which is best done by quoting the context out of which they steal proof texts. This is clearly a heresy and has no support among classical trinitarians.
ACU and its Bible scholarship is simply a laughingstock. I don't think any Bible-based Church of Christ wound engage in anything with Maury Hills.
Bruce McIntyre had been brought to Hohenwald by an elder and his son Rus Adcox clearly intending to bond with the denominations, quit preaching about baptism, stirred up the women hoping to get a piece of the action and began defending the use of instrumental music.
And, now we understand that Mark Henderson has split: after sowing massive discord it appears that chasing off 1/3 of the OWNERS has not resulted in the Purpose Driven Cult's agenda to replace the grey hairs with the young and restless who have been brained damaged already by "music" the satanic and effeminate role of Lucifer called the singing and harp playing prostitute.
We reviewed the WHITE PAPER which used Rick Atchley's tapes to lie about every mention of "instrument" in the Bible and church history. It is clear that they are terminally ignorant of the curse of the sacrificial system and terminally evil for knowing that they were lying.
It has to be automatic that a young student will believe what his professors tell him: especially if that professor is a theologian. However, Jesus said that the doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge.
Russ Adcox is promoting:
Renewing God's People: A Concise History of Churches of Christ by Gary Holloway and Douglas A. Foster. Because the book is intended to be a "workbook" you may find yourself in a BIBLE class with false teachers replacing the commanded "that which is written" or "that which has been taught."
Further, it is logical and automatic that people seeking "higher education" will and do quote other scholars and almost never the original sources. When these scholars quote the Restoration Writers they have a way of lifting proof texts which directly contradict the original sources. I have looked at the twisting of the Declaration and Address and I will shortly look at the ALWAYS twisting about the Lunenberg Correspondence.
I have begun a review pretty much at random because it is part of Russ' misunderstanding about unity and the false notion that the Disciples of Christ rooted in the Anglican High Church dogma ever included men like Alexander Campbell who clearly denied that a few people meeting together in 1832 constituted a UNION.
Russ Adcox is going through Galatians to equate obedience to the will of Christ to those who wanted to be justified by THE LAW.
This is the common mantra declaring that if we have to OBEY in being baptized in order to be saved then WE are doing the works of the Law.
From a previous split I know that Russ intends to teach salvation by FAITH ONLY which allows him to judgmentally INCLUDE all of those who were saved without baptism.
That means that the Church of Christ teaches ANOTHER GOSPEL and are therefore CURSED.
The word CURSED is Anathema. If the Church of Christ had been declared Anathema it would mean that it been consigned to destruction from which there is no redemption. If so we would SEE and HEAR the evidence that God is driving us into the lake of fire.
As it turns out, as Christ declared in Isaiah 30, the SOUNDS OF MUSIC are the sounds of ANATHEMA: driving His enemies into hell.
So, let's look at the first part without listening too much to Russ.
It is not certain that people who attempt to minimize baptism FOR (in order to) the remission of sins have a broad understanding of the other texts. It is not true that Paul preached a FAITH ONLY gospel in contrast to the Gospel Jesus commanded and the original apostles preached. This post includes Christ commanding Anannias to go to Paul and tell him what he must do. After seing the Spirit Christ and believing he MUST "be baptized washing away they sins calling on the name of the Lord." Then, Jesus gave Paul the same promise to "guide him into all truth." Paul began as a scholar of the Word and needed very little more since he knew what the christians believed and why he persecuted them.
You are invited to discuss this issue and not be led another institute while thinking that you are supporting A church of Christ.
I am not believing what I am reading. Is this all you have to do Mr. Sublet is condemn Russ and other churches of christ who do not interpret the scripture the EXACT same way you do? Where do you worship so those of us who are lost may come and woship in spirit and truth, where everything is done decently and in order, and where it is by works that get you to heaven? Not grace. Do you honestly believe that one is going to heaven based on the goods deeds that person did while on earth?
The legalistic PATTERNISM for music isa DEATH SENTENCE with no appeal.
September 6 2009, 6:01 PM
The "authority" people use for using any form of music in the "school of the Bible" is David and the Levites. What most preachers missed is that it was because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God abandoned the NATIONAL system to the tribe of LEVI and the SPIRITUAL PEOPLE attended The Church of Christ in the wilderness QUARANTINED from what was pagan and evil
Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
Gen. 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly,
......mine honour, be not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
It is a fact that after the last blasphemy which brought on the conditional sentence at Mount Sinai was carried out, was by David. David had sinned so that he could not go to the designated place of the Tabernacle. Rather than kill David, God gave him a Jebusite High Place where he built an ALTERNATIVE tabernacle. He was now 100% one of those kings God gave in His anger. Samuel records God's abandonment of the national system to a NATIONAL (Canaanite, Egyptian, Babylonian etal) Civil-Military-Clergy complex to carry out the captivity and death sentence. This was not irrational because the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai caused God to ABANDON the Civil-Military-Clergy over to worship the starry host. Christ PRESERVED the Spiritual Thread from that with the Church of Christ which was to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God and was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing. THAT is the patternism of Christ and that never changed.
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR of your god Remphan,
......figures which ye made to worship them:
......and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
That is where the Babylon mother of harlots resurfaces in the END TIME using "lusted after fruits" or performing the roles of women as speakers, singers and instrument players John called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.
Stephen (Acts 7 you missed in sermons, songs and classes) says that:
God gave (by Grace) David a TENT which permitted the "worship of the starry host"
But, David built God a HOUSE
But, God does not LIVE IN nor is worshipped in houses built by human hands: God is worshipped IN the place of the human spirit which ALL forms of "music" intends to shut down so that you watch THE EFFEMINATE performance and therefore worship THEM.
David was the king of the Civil-Military-Clergy complex worshiping the STARS and SERPENTS: Christ in the prophets (for the Spiritual thread) calls the robbers and parasites. Not surprising since God WARNED the elders when they demanded a SENIOR PASTOR to rule them it would be terminal.
"David succeeded in transferring the traditions of the Confederacy to Jerusalem: the Ark, the Tabernacle, the priesthood. But in this change something happened to the character of 'Israel,' to the structure of the community.
No longer was Israel, the people of God, bound together on the basis of covenant allegiance to Yahweh at the central sanctuary;
Israel was now bound together politically, on the basis of a contract between king and people (II Sam. 5:3). As citizens of the state, the people of Israel owed allegiance to a king who could take a census, exact forced labor, and require submission to his power...
As Israel became a state modeled after other oriental monarchies, more and more she lost her distinctive character and faced the danger of being swallowed up in the power struggle and cultural stream of the Near East." (Anderson, p. 188).
That is repeated in the TURF BATTLES by preachers and elders which makes church--like the monarchy--a 100% political institute with no connection to the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness where Christ OUTLAWED vocal or instrumental rejoicing.
"There is incontrovertible archaeological evidence for the antiquity of the musical guilds themselves. The Phoenicians (Canaanites) outshone their contemporaries in music, and the Israelites were early influenced by them.
......Musical guilds of the Hebrews may be traced back in some instances,
......to old Canaanite families whose designations, such as Hemen the Ezrahite (I Chron. 2:6),
......became a part of later Hebrew family names." (Unger, Merril, Archaeology and the Old Testament, Zondervan, P. 216-7)
"The trained musicians which eventually appear around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change in the history of Jewish music. Before this time much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict., Music p. 313).
"In an inscription from Cyprus, in one from Rhodes and in several from around the district of Carthage, [The Source of Molech Worship]
there are references to important personages who bear the title Mqm'lm which we can translate as AROUSERS of the god.'" (de Vaux, Roland, The Bible and the Ancient Near East, Doubleday, p. 247).
"We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain LEVITES, called me'oreim, 'AROUSERS,' sang (every morning?) this verse from "Ps 44:23: "Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever." The Talmud tells us that John Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom." (Roland de Vaux, p. 247).
So, you see, the Levites cursed by their father, were the PRIESTS offering sacrifices to MOLOCH: especially in Tyre and Jerusalem whose temple was built by the same architect. Just AFTER Hezekiah's plague stopping BURNT OFFERING where the INSTRUMENTS were played and which GOD DID NOT COMMAND, the burning of infants was restoredd.
The Levites cannot be used as authority for "musical worship teams": Christ reserved that as a MARK. They were an old guild and that is why Molech worship or burning infants to the beat of all kinds of loud singing and playing instruments was common in Jerusalem. In Isaiah 30 Christ in Spirit uses this Molech worship as a PATTERNISM of the MARKS and SOUNDS of God driving His old Assyrian/Egytian enemies into HELL. The PROOF that God is carrying out the final judgment causing all of the squirming and clapping will be be SINGING and playing wind, string and percussion instruments. Isaiah 30. This is repeated for the end time (now) when the church of the Babylon mother of Harlots (Inanna, Lucifer, Zoe) (Rev 17) uses lusted after fruits (same ones in Amos) as SELF-speakers, singers and instrument players whom John calls SORCERERS. Those with the DOGS (Cynic howlers), liars and are also destined to the Lake of Fire. We are to see the Lying Wonders of deluded people before Jesus returns as a MARK and SOUND to flee Babylon.
If you care enough to quit singing and clapping and become A School of Christ through the Bible, you will discover that the GUILD NAMES, the names of the instruments, the term prophesying, the dress, the dance and the style of singing (falsetto or a cappella or CCM) were all done PLAYING THE PART OF WOMEN.
"Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul, it was the women who, as in every young civilization, played a major part in the performance of music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephtha's daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have become almost archetypes of female musicians. Characteristic of all these cases is the familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating [hand clapping]. This is the scene known to the entire Near East, and not even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 457).
Including the Levites who "performed the role of women", the Babylonian Tablets, all of the contemporaneous literature, the Classics and church fathers PROVE that when you turn from SPEAK or SAY to SING or PLAY it is both the mark and producer of the effeminate. The Zoe Group had to bring in an expert to assure them that the Platonic Fallacy was not true.
SO, it is a fact that the Ark Moving slaughter and Vileness was the MARK of the first use in the MONARCHY used by almost all people who impose any kind of performance music. The FIRST folly was in trying to involve EVERYONE who could get there. In the second fearful ATTEMPT only those connected with the Civil-Military-Clergy and their camp followers who were involved. It was PERMITTED only because it was the role of the old LEVI tribe already abandoned to worship the starry host. AFTER God has removed His candlestick (seven spirits of Divine knowledge) THEN you are in fact COMMANDED to impose worship teams with or without instruments: you have lost your right to choose.
David as a King to carry out the worship of the Starry Host did not follow the Law of Moses intended to protect the weak from the strong but ENSLAVED the weak and stole their property and gave it to his MINISTERY TEAM including the Levites where in the Greek sacrificial system they were called PARASITES.
Yes, instruments or any musical form is DIRECTLY COMMANDED for any church which has replaced the TEACHER with sermonizers and "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter" which was THE purpose of EXORCISM noise in the killing of innocent animals to eat their flesh and to fleece the dumb. In fact, you probably DO NOT HAVE ANY CHOICE in the matter just as the Israelites were ABANDONED to worship the starry hosts. These stars always carried the meaning of performing STARS.
Since a musical instrument is a "machine for doing hard work mostly in making war and creating the shock and awe of religious rituals" (Outlawed by Jesus as the laded burden) is the ONLY meaning of LEGALISM<.b> in the Greek literature. That was always teaching the LAWS of Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) by the muses or musicians in Revelation 18 identified as dirty adulteresses and SORCERS who burn in hell. That is why LEGALISTS always point the gun in the wrong direction.
ALL literate people grasped: NO INSTRUMENTS in CHURCH.
September 16 2009, 4:42 PM
THOSE IMPOSING MUSIC AND MUSICIANS INTO THE FACE OF THOSE ACCUSTOMED TO GATHER IN REVERENCE AND GODLY FEAR BOAST THAT THEIR PATTERNISM IS BASED ON THE TEMPLE AND NOT THE TABERNACLE (national) and Synagogue (local)
I am surprised that so few of the Kingdom of Christ or the Church of Christ were SHAKEN when they heard the final SHAKING (musical sounds). It may be that those who have been Shellyed into believing that the "church is ONLY about worship" and have rushed to buy the New Style Song books or who have USED musical worship teams to claim the role of Mediators, include a much larger part of the kingdom which HAS been shaken and therefore REMOVED. The ELECT are identified as NOT being able to be SHAKEN.
Heb. 12:28 Therefore, receiving a kingdom that cant be shaken,
......let us have grace, through which we serve God acceptably, with reverence and awe,
Heb. 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire.
They are also MARKED by ignorance of the Nadab and Abihu pattern which makes them laugh and laugh.
One of the hate crime used by many of those being "turned over to worship the starry host" is that the Church of Christ inherited its ANTI-instrument "legalistic, sectarian, patternist hypocritic practice" of not BEGINNING to do what it had NEVER done from the Puritans who of course were influenced by John Calvin and the free thinkers opposed to a SECTOR of the Church of England.
Calvin like all historic scholars understood the difference between the TABERNACLE in one location and the SYNAGOGUE in all small gatherings and the Temple under the Monarchy whom God had "turned over to worship the starry host." All of this SECT were of Levi and Jacob had warned people NOT to attend the assemblies of the tribe of Levi.
The elements of worship in the Mosaic dispensation were of two kinds:
(1.) The generic or essential.... Without here raising the question whether synagogues had an existence prior to the Babylonian exile, one would risk little in taking the ground that, during all the time of the church's development in the past,
God's people had been accustomed to meet on Sabbath days for engagement in these essential parts of divine worship. The patriarchal dispensation being left out of account, in which, however, every sentiment of piety and reverence, the original institution of the seventh day as one of rest, and the acquaintance of the Israelites with the law of the Sabbath before the promulgation of the Sinaitic law, render it highly probable that such a practice was maintained, a few reasons will be intimated in favor of its maintenance during the period of the Jewish economy:
First, The fourth commandment made the sacred observance of every Sabbath day obligatory. It is not reasonable to suppose that the law contemplated the merely individual and private keeping holy of the day.
Secondly, The Israelites, during their sojourn in the wilderness, were accustomed to worship every Sabbath day in mass at the tabernacle. It was accessible from every part of the encampment which was around it on every side. The proof of this is given in Lev. 23:3: "Six days Shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation."
After the musical fall from Grace the STRANGERS including Israelites NOT of the tribe of Levi would be killed if they came close to any holy things. Even though the Levites made no "musical" noise, they too would be executed if they came close to any holy part of the Tabernacle.
While people assume that people did other social things at the "church in the wilderness" the Holy Convocation part of their assembly was very restricted to instruction as was the church as ekklesia. For one thing, they did not play instruments on the Sabbath (until they were abandoned) because that would constitute WORK. The Levites polluted the Sabbath with instrumental noise because they had been abandoned by God
The prescriptive usage of meeting for worship on every Sabbath was thus established during their forty years' pilgrimage in: the desert. In all that time during which they held weekly assemblies, let it also be observed, they knew nothing of instrumental music. It is altogether unreasonable to suppose that this habit, ingrained into them in the early period of their national existence and consecrated by innumerable sacred and splendid associations, would have ceased to be influential after their wanderings had ceased and they had been permanently located in the land of rest.
Such an innovation upon their customs could only have occurred in consequence either of a divine command enforcing the change, or of a serious defection from their religious principles. We know that neither of these causes operated to produce the supposed revolution in their habits of worship. Upon their settlement in Canaan, they were of course dispersed in consequence of their tribal distribution throughout the length and breadth of the country from Dan to Beersheba,
......and, as the tabernacle was necessarily at any particular time confined to one spot, it was not accessible to congregations representing all Israel, except upon the occasions of the prescribed national festivals. What, then, were they doing on all the other Sabbaths of the year in their cities and towns, villages and rural neighborhoods? It cannot be supposed that on those Sabbaths they never met for worship. This consideration is mightily enhanced by the fact that only the males of Israel were enjoined to attend the great annual festivals.
Another Presbyterian, John Calvin understood that the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness was for those in their own communities.
Were the women, the mothers of Israel, the trainers of children and youth, left destitute of all public worship? The supposition cannot be entertained. Provision must have been made for their engagement in the stated public worship of their God.
John L. Girardeau Instrumental Music in Worship
ARGUMENT FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT.
Moses received the mode of constructing the tabernacle and the order of its worship by divine revelation. "See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount." It will be admitted that the instructions thus divinely given descended to the most minute detailsóthe sort of fabrics and skins to be used, and their diverse colors, the pins, the ouches and the taches, the ablutions, the vestments and the actions of the officiating priests and Levites, the ingredients of the holy ointment and the incense, the parts, the arrangements, the instruments of worship, to everything connected with the tabernacle these specific directions referred.
......Of course, if God had intended instrumental music to be employed, it would have been included in these particular directions; the instruments would have been specified for its performance, and regulations enjoined for its use.
What, now, are the facts? No directions are given respecting instruments of musid. Two instruments of sound are provided for, but they were of such a character as to make it impracticable to use them ordinarily as accompaniments of the voice in singing. The record is: "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps." "And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, thou shalt blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies. Also in the days of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt-offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace-offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the Lord your God."
The blowing of these trumpets as a signal for marching, or for going to war, had certainly nothing to do with worship, neither did the call of the congregation to assemble belong to the performance of worship, any more than a church bell now, the ringing of which ceases when the services begin.
There is nothing to show that the blowing of the trumpets, on festival days and at the beginning of months, over the offerings was accompanied by singing on the part of priests and Levites. There is no mention of that fact, and Jewish tradition opposes the supposition.
Moreover, it is almost certain that the blowing of trumpets on such occasions was a representative act performed by the priests, and that consequently it was not accompanied by the singing of the congregation. It is true that there is one recorded exception (2 Chron. 5:12, 13) which occurred, however, when the tabernacle had given way to the temple
This was when God gave David a Jebusite or pagan High Place because he was too afraid of God to go to the original Tabernacle. However, it was Solomon who moved up to Moriah and built a Temple whereas God had only promised David a Tabernacle or Tent.
At the dedication of the latter edifice, the priests blew the trumpets at the same time that the Levites sang and played upon instruments of music,
......so as "to make one sound"
......but it is evident that on that great occasion of rejoicing,
......what was aimed at was not musical harmony,
......but a powerful crash of jubilant sound.
We are shut up to the conclusion that there was nothing in the tabernacle-worship, as ordered by Moses, which could be justly characterized as instrumental music.
This absence of instrumental music from the services of the tabernacle continued not only during the wanderings of the Israelites in the desert, but after their entrance into the promised land, throughout the protracted period of the Judges, the reign of Saul, and a part of David's.
When God "gave them kings in His anger" He promised that the kings would carry out the captivity and death penalty imposed when because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God sentenced them to return to BEYOND BABYLON. If you conclude that God commanded the animal slaughter with exorcism noise it is the PATTERNISM for those who have been abandoned to walk in their own ways which ALWAYS lusts for idols and idolatry.
No one denied that prior to the Disciple Sectarians which split the Disciples / Christian churches by imposing instruments based on the LAW OF SILENCE. Those known as The Church of Christ were never JOINED to the Disciples at any time other than agreeing to work jointly on projects. That ended--as the Disciples confessed--when the Millerites spooked them into believing that THEY had to save all of the Jews to ENABLE the return of Jesus in 1843. The name Millenniel Harbinger intended to EXPOSE all of the various theories. After cutting off assoiation by their missionary society it turned out that the JEWS didn't want to be saved and Jesus didn't return in 1843. The Jubilee heresy was based on the same need to JOIN everyone to enable Jesus to return Y2K.
One would think that if a preacher had ever read Stephen's sermons denouncing the temple and the whole system; and the fact that it was because of their REJOICING or PLAY in musical idolatry that God turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST, they would never go to sleep until they found out the MYSTERY Jesus claimed had been hidden from the foundationof the world from the clergy.
For the readers, this is known as SABAZIANISM and any reader of the Bible of note understands that the MONARCHY was God's ABANDONMENT to something identical to BABYLONIANISM: older illustrations of the temple show a ZIGGURAT or a tower of Babylon.
Their EVIL PARENTHESIS would last until Jesus came to DESTROY it and defined by Paul when the Jews converted to Christ (being baptized) so they could read BLACK text on BROWN paper. If God turned them over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST and NAMES them one by one, then whatever they call their GOD it is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They called the GOLDEN CALF their god.
Shame, shame, shame that people would peddle their craft--"The craftiest craft of all" says Alexander Campbell--when they don't even know the PLOT of the story. John calls all of the CRAFTSMEN including false preachers, singers and instrument players SORCERIERS.All of the church of Christ preachers are still failing to understand the story line. Because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, God turned the nation--under the tribe of Levi--to worship the starry host.
When the elders FIRED God and demanded a "senior pastor" as a king set over us, God understood that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations. The nations or GOYIM would be your Babylonians, Canaanites, Egyptians and Greeks: exactly what God ABANDONED them to because of musical idolatry.
God promised that the KINGS would rob then, enslave them and carry out the captivity and death sentence. I would suggest that you read read:
ONE OF THE CURSES WAS THAT THE KINGS WOULD TAKE THE YOUNG MEN FROM THE FARMS AND FORCE THEM TO MAKE AND BLOW INSTRUMENTS BEFORE THE CHARIOTS.
From the time that Israel REJECTED GOD, He gave them kings in His anger and took them away in His anger after the kings had driven the people into slavery and spiritual death from failure to teach the Word of God.
The LEVITES were an old Egyptian cult connected with Molech worship in Egypt: that is why they burned infants in Jerusalem to the loud noise of instruments.
Because the priesthood was the ssme as other nations, the PRIESTS were male but they PERFORMED THE ROLE OF WOMEN. A cappella is performing the role of women by castrated singers. The style is till effeminate.
Before David this musical performance in Israel was that of FEMALES ONLY. For instance ALL of the elements of the priests robe were derived from feminine dress as with "pastors" and "choir" members. Here is the picture of the Ephod which was a Babylonian vulva
Before we preach that God commanded David to command instrumental music AS WORSHIP, I would begin to read the text as it is written.
1 Chr 15:27 And David was clothed with a robe of fine linen, and all the Levites that bare the ark, and the singers, and Chenaniah the master of the song with the singers:
Stola a woman's upper garment, or stole, as with the Greeks, worn by any one: squalid saeptus stol, Dress of a voluptuary, a CITHERN player, The priests of Isis [at Mount Sinai], Diana goddess of Light and the Moon.
"Its (pipe = to love passionately) was apparently a secular instrument and is never listed in the temple orchestra; only in Ps. 150:4 it is mentioned in a religious (but not ritual) function. Its ethos was not blameless at all, as we see from Genesis Rabbah 50:
'The angels said to Lot: 'There are players of the pipe (organ) in the country, hence it ought to be destroyed'." Its rabbinical identification with the aboda, the flute of the notorious Syrian bayaderes, emphasizes the erotic element which already the Hebrew name suggests." (Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 460, Abingdon).
"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria/b>. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp.
The golden calf represented, Osiris, ISIS and Horus (father, mother and infant son0
Muliebris I.of or belonging to a woman, womanly, female, feminine. A. = pudenda muliebria, to let one's self be used as a woman
2.Of the Jewish priests, Vulg. 2 Macc. 3, 15.--
Luke 20:[46] "Beware of the scribes, who like to walk in long robes [stole], and love greetings in the marketplaces, the best seats in the synagogues, and the best places at feasts; [47] who devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers: these will receive greater condemnation."
Jesus marked the SCRIBES as HYPOCRITES (performers) by making His own prophecy more certain where He MARKS rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. The word HYPOCRITE exactly means speakers, singers, instrument players, dancers or actors.
Carthage was the mother of Molech worshipped in Jerusalem. The Levites learned the TRICKS of their trade in Egypt.
Speaking of a statue.
Cicero: of a sign of bondage: It was placed at Segesta on a very lofty pedestal, on which was cut in large letters the name of Publius Africanus; and a statement was also engraved that he had restored it after having taken Carthage. It was worshipped by the citizens; it was visited by all strangers; when I was quaestor it was the very first thing, they showed me. It was a very large and tall statue with a flowing robe, but in spite of its large size it gave the idea of the age and dress of a virgin; her arrows hung from her shoulder, in her left hand she carried her bow, her right hand held a burning torch.
The singing style of the Levites was FALSETTO or "as a damsel" or as a virgin.
MORE OF THE STOLE:
Greek: Meiyl [4598] upper outer garment. From Maal [4603] cover up, act covertly, treacherous [4600 emasculate] 4604 treachery, transgression,
H4603 mâal maw-al' A primitive root; properly to cover up; used only figuratively to act covertly, that is, treacherously:transgress, (commit, do a) tresspass (-ing)
Why do you suppose that in view of John's prophecy of the Babylon mother of harlots that the persona of the "lusted after fruits" (Rev 18) has INVADED the church as performance preachers (actors), singers and instrument players? And if John MARKED them and called the SORCERERS why is there such a rush to give them cover.
You know, this doesn't matter: all of the recorded evidence is that people are hard-wired when they have spiritual worship connected to the sexual stimuli of music which induces an addictive drug.
Those who lie about all of the instrument terms in the Bible and recorded history say that in some way God TOLD them that they should deliberately sow discord by restoring the CURSE of the sacrificial system totally abandoned to paganism BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
If you don't know the meaning of ekklesia / synagogue it is pretty clear that you cannot BE one of those.
If you don't know the difference between being a DISCIPLE of what Christ commanded to be taught, and a ceremonial legalist then you CANNOT now be such a disciple.
You don't get to land on the Moon without knowing what is a NASA ASTRONAUT school. Nor, can you land on the moon by skipping class and attending the local musical.
No one ever suggested a role for MUSIC in the Church of Christ established in the wilderness without not KNOWING what happened, who then used the legalistic, doomed PATTERNISM of the Tribe of Levi.
Unless you have more immunity than the tribe of Levi whom Jacob had warned "do not attend their assemblies" you might consider yourself a spiritually dead man. If you have lied to impose and to drive away the owners the MARK will never burn off.
Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren;
......instruments [apparatus, psaltery, weapon]
......of cruelty are in their habitations. [stabbings, a pot or furnace]
Gen. 49:6 O my soul,
......come not thou into their secret;
......unto their assembly, mine honour,
......be not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man,
......and in their selfwill [delight] they digged down a wall.
The mantra of Promise Keepers who purposed to "come into their assembly" was Tear Down The Walls!
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
......and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob,
......and scatter them in Israel.
Looking far into the future for the spiritual priesthood.
Gen. 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy fathers children shall bow down before thee.
in Numbers when Korah and 250 of the famous or men of renown decided that they should have a part in the sacrificial system which God had laded on to the Tribe of Levi. As the ultimate way of repudiating famous men who want to be religious leaders Moses tells us their motive.
Num. 16:15 And Moses was very wroth, and said unto the LORD,
......Respect not thou their offering:
......I have not taken one ass from them,
......neither have I hurt one of them.
God's righteousness was to consume them in a moment: they were gathered before the Taberncle andthe went down into a pit and it closed over them. This caused the people to plead for mercy and an offering was made by Aaron to stop the plague. The "budding rod" miracle was to confirm that only Aaron and the Levites were ordained by God.
IN NUMBERS 17
Num. 17:12 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying,
......Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish.
Num. 17:13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the LORD shall die:
......shall we be consumed with dying?
The tribe of Levi had been cursed by their father and WE were warned NOT to attend their assemblies. The Church was set up to QUARANTINE all civillians FROM their slaughter where they USED instruments for the BURNT OFFERINGS which Christ said HAD NOT BEEN COMMANDED.
Not in Jerusalem or the vilest pagan temple could singers or instrument players come NEAR the holy place or thing.
In Numbers 18 God confirmed that the honor the famous people was really being the sin bearers for the nation.
Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron,
......Thou and thy sons and thy fathers house with thee
......shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: [a sancturary whether for Jehovah or idols]
......and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
......[Kahan, an old pagan priesthood]
TO WHAT WERE THEY CONDEMNED?
If you miss the point that God turned the Levi tribe over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST, and your preacher says that the Spirit "told him to impose that" God has provided a way of ESCAPE and not authority for the new class of Priests and Levites
H5771 âvôn âvôn aw-vone', aw-vone' From H5753; perversity, that is, (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.
H5753 âvâh aw-vaw' A primitive root; to crook, literally or figuratively:--do amiss, bow down, make crooked, commit iniquity, pervert, (do) perverse (-ly), trouble, X turn, do wickedly, do wrong.
Jesus wants us to be saved FROM this perverse, CROOKED race and not JOIN THEM! The Scribes and Pharisees He identified as hypocrites: speakers, singers and instrument players.
Instrumental "noise" in Jerusalem was always a signal that no citizen must be inside the walls and that the "officials" must worship which means to fall on their face. The noise is not worship and does not contribute to worship: it is a FORCE to FORCE you to the ground.
In the case of Daniel Oil-Rig notes that there are 6 instruments named 6 times as in 666: another account OMITS one of the instruments. How strange. Daniel and his friends REFUSED to "worship" when the instruments were sounded. Isn't that an approved example?
NEBUCHADNEZZAR the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits (60), and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura (circle), in the province of Babylon. Dan 3:1
That at what time ye hear the sound of the (1) cornet, (2) flute, (3) harp, (4) sackbut, (5) psaltery, (6) dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: Dan 3:5
They claim that they can lead you into the presence of God. They claim that if you enthuse over the music then you are WORSHIPING GOD. So strange and so blind and so willingly.
On another thread we are discussing the SACKBUT: like all of these instruments they belong to the FEMALE or EFFEMINATE.
"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers)
"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp..
Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol
Nabel (h5034) naw-bale'; a prim. root; to wilt; gen. to fall away, fail, faint; fig. to be foolish or (mor.) wicked; causat. to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, - ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, * surely, make vile, wither..
Nabal (h5036) naw-bawl'; from 5034; stupid; wicked (espec. impious): - fool (-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), vile person.
PSALLO outlaws plucking with a guitar pick. Psallo specificially OUTLAWS blowing a wind instrument, a piano, organ, drums even a tiny harp unless you use only your fingers.
When the scholars translated from Hebrew to Greek they understood that ALL of the psallo-derived words spoke of making war or making perverted love.
HERE IS ONE OF THE NACC'S PROOFS THAT PSALLO PERMITS PLUCKING. All of those diverting happy churches into using instruments build on the foundation by Tom Burgess who repeats all of the literary resources collected by O.E.Payne in the first attempt to JUSTIFY the use of instruments.
Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,
as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,
but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.
[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:
"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."
That proves, says the musical invaders. PROVES that God wants us to pluck the flute as worship in church.
And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.
Of course, Alexander was trying to seduce his favorite young boy. Didn't he die of some vile disease?
Yes, I know, all of the scholars say God has NOTHING bad to say about us using INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE: in Fact, Rick Atchley was told that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIEND while He (Jesus) is trying to teach that which has been taught.
I find it ironic and laughable that the anti-music champion finds it necessary to reference the title of one of the worst a capella songs ever written. He is consistently inconsistant. No wonder he sounds like a raving lunatic.
I doubt not that you cannot read black text on white paper
February 13 2012, 3:49 PM
Prior to that all religious musicians sang in a falsetto including the Levites and the Organum Singers in the Sistine and in ALL "praise singing."
Contrary to "using one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning" and keeping the UNITY of the Group where there was never any Command, Example or inference for group singing of silly simon's praise ditties. A cappella was already polyphonic or multipart and was "sacred choral music." We have detailed the horrors of A cappella here.
Acappella is a "fool the fool word" and is identical to the castrated opry singers in the 'chapel."
"The papacy also continued the practice of creating castratos (boys castrated before puberty to keep their singing voices high-pitched) for their own entertainment, long after it had fallen in disfavor throughout Italy."
"Into this artificial world came the castrati, who had first gained a place in Italian churches for their 'angelic' voices. Castratos are said to have been the world's first superstars, because of the great sums paid to them for their singing, and scheduled engagements that took them to cities across Europe, to please their enthusiastic followers.
"How can we hear their music today, since we have no more castratos to listen to? Well, during the current renaissance in Baroque music, some castrato roles have been carefully recreated by counter-tenors also known as male altos or sopranos. Other musici parts are sung by women who use a natural alto or soprano range,
but adopt a style which ATTEMPTS to make the music sound appropriately 'masculine', at least for male roles. There is much debate as to which is better--but keeping in mind the fact that most early composers wrote 'trouser' roles for women to sing, and that castratos frequently presented women's roles, especially in their youth, it would seem that gender stretching is an original part of this music, and perhaps one reason for its continuing dramatic impact."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcccast.htm "The practice reached its peak in 17th and 18th century opera. In Naples it is said that several barbershops had a sign that castration was performed there. However, this cannot be confirmed. The male heroic lead would often be written for a castrato singer (in the operas of Handel for example). When such operas are performed today, a woman (possibly cross-dressing as a man in a so-called trouser role) or a countertenor takes these roles. However, some Baroque operas with parts for castrati are so complex and difficult that they cannot be performed today."
The Church of Christ in the wilderness and throughout the Bible and most of church history was to READ and DISCUSS the Word waking in the steps of Jesus, Paul and all Biblical churches where there is NOT MUSICAL PERFORMANE OR PERFORMERS.
Yes, I know: no one can understand that. Won't Work "a cappella fellas."
At the ACU Summit 2009 this year the MOUNTAIN was their PATTERNISM for the Church: they missed the most important chapters. We can be certain that no one at the PEAK understood what happened at Mount Sinai: it was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian (etal) trinity. For this affront, rather than being a PATTERNISM for us, God removed His grace and abandoned them to worship the starry host: anyone having read Acts 7 would ask some questions before daring to preach.
They lectured on Exodus 31 and just HOPPED over Exodus 32. Here are some very rough notes
Exod 31:12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL,
......saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
......for it is a sign between me and you
......throughout your generations; [your revolution of time]
......that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
That doesn't sound like A DAY OF WORSHIP to me! The word KEEP is:
8104. shamar, shaw-mar´; a primitive root; properly, to hedge about (as with thorns), i.e. guard; .
Exod 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
......every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:
......for whosoever doeth any work therein,
......that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
The ANOTHER DAY of rest is the Greek PAUO which means to STOP the speaking, singing, playing and having a party.
HERE IS THE WAY YOU CAN DEFILE THE SABBATH h2490 Thayer
THIS DEFINES THE MYSTERIES WHICH WERE USUALLY CONNECTED TO THE SEVENTH DAY
The golden calf represented Apis a real bull calf in Egypt. This represented the always-pagan ftrinitiy of Osiris, Isis and Horus.
The Egyptian Opis (Apis) and others which Israel worshipped at Mount Sinal were worshipped throughout the area. "In preference to all other hymns these choirs generally sang the so-called epiphany hymns,which were intended to invite the gods to appear. Plutarch wrote:
Why do the women of Elis call upon God in song to approach them with the bull's foot? Their song is the following:
......Come, Dionysus, Hero,
......into the holy temple of Elis,
......together with the Graces
......come violently into the temple with the bull's foot!
......Then they sang twice at the end: "Sacred Bull!"
......(Johannes Quasten, Music & Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 76)
"For NONLITERATE peoples, music often serves purposes other than entertainment or aesthetic enjoyment. Certain wind instrumentare closely associated with the supernatural, and their sounds connote powerful magic. Australian Aborigines, for instance, identify the sound of a bull-roarer with thevoices of supernatural beings; for the Plains Indians, the same sound signifies an awesome natural phenomenon, such as thunder. Wind instruments are often among a group's most important ritual objects, and in some cultures they are specially venerated. The Kamairua Indians of the Amazon rain forest keep their giant flutes (three to four feet long), wherein spirits are believed to dwell, in a special shrine where they are worshiped. The flutes and drums of New Guinea are similarly housed and worshiped.
"Wind instruments in primitive cultures also serve nonreligious functions. In New Guinea, bamboo trumpets were once played
to frighten an enemyduring battle and
to alert a village that the victorious warriors were coming home with the corpses of the foes.
"Conch-shell trumpets are used for signaling in the Pacific coastal regions of Columbia and in the Ecuadoran highlands.
Trumpets also may be associated with the office of king or chief, as in West Africa,
where their use is strictly controlled by tribal law. "wind instrument" Encyclopćdia Britannica Online.
When Moses came DOWN from the Mountain ACU just SKIPPED the punch line. Moses recognized the sounds of VICTORY and the sounds of DEFEAT, but, he says IT IS SINGING THAT I HEAR. That meaning IDOLATRY .
Sorry, but there is no evidence that does not mark religious music as IDOLATRY and at Mount Sinai (HOPPED OVER BY ACU) sexual perversion. Look at Romans 1 to define Sinai.
All pagans believed that the "gods" dwelled inside of the musical instruments: in an account similar to the Book of Enoch it is said that Satan taught the youth how to make and play instruments: when they played the instruments Satan came into them. This is something like the Psallo/Sop word which Jesus used to cause Satan to enter into Judas whose Judas bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments.
David tried to AWAKEN his lyre so that he could AWAKEN the Dawn
Euripides attributes instruments to Rhea, the mother of the gods or ZOE. Remembering that it was because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God turned them over to worship the starry host and sentenced them to return beyond Babylon; and that the old wineskin god was Bacchus or Dionysus. This is why Jesus said that the MEN were like CHILDREN piping trying to force others to sing or lament and dance the sexual initiation.
Anon shall the whole land be dancing, when Bromius leads his revellers to the hills, to the hills away! where wait him groups of maidens from loom and shuttle roused in frantic haste by Dionysus. O hidden cave of the Curetes!
[120] O hallowed haunts in Crete, that saw Zeus born, where Corybantes with crested helms devised for me in their grotto the rounded timbrel of ox-hide (lifeless instrument), mingling Bacchic minstrelsy with the shrill sweet accents of the Phrygian flute, a gift bestowed by them on mother Rhea, to add its crash of music to the Bacchantes' shouts of joy;
ACU is looking to the MOUNTAINS and missing the musical idolatry and Zoe wants to LOOK TO THE HILLS. Unfortunately, this was a question: Shall WE look to the mountain or hills gods for our salvation? No. Here is a quick Exodus 32 which ACU skipped over while coming down from the hills Rough notes for now but to join the majority of about half a dozen you might read it.
Fallen Angels and Demons Paul connected to Lifeless Instruments
October 28 2009, 12:45 PM
Question: who are the DEMONS?
Jesus talked about hell being prepared for Satan and his angels didn't he? Of course, angels means messengers. But the fallen angel theory seems to make more sense all around.
In 1 Corinthians 10 and Romans 10 Paul quoted from the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: this was to prove to the Jews that they HAD fallen from grace and therefore were NOT predestinated to be saved. In 1 Corinthians 10 Paul identified this with DEMON worship: demon worship was often conducted under the bull (golden calf) representing the Egyptian and all pagan triads. This worship was always MARKED by vocal and instrumental rejoicing which is what Christ outlawed for The Church of Christ in the Wilderness. That was because the Church was to rest, read and rehears the Word of God: that never changed for several centuries after Christ: "singing" was what Moses heard as idolatry at Mount Sinai and no one imposed singing as an ACT (legalism) until the year 373.
Moreover, if SORCERS call forth ghosts, and even make what seem the souls of the dead to appear;
if they put boys to death, in order to get a response from the oracle; if, with their juggling illusions, they make a pretence of doing various miracles;
if they put dreams into people's minds by the power of the angels and DEMONS whose aid they have invited, by whose influence, too, goats [cappella] and tables are made to divine,-
how much more likely is this power of evil to be zealous in doing with all its might, of its own inclination, and for its own objects, what it does to serve the ends of others! Or if both angels and demons do just what your gods do, where in that case is the pre-eminence of deity, which we must surely think to be above all in might?
The rise of the Musical worship team (thanks to Knowles etal) specificially claims that they can "lead you into the presence of God." [The discussion about whether dead men of the Restoration Movement are the DEMONS: No, I would say that the live MUSICATORS fulfil all of the marks of promoting demon worship ALWAYS identified by the sights and sounds of Lucifer's or Zoes]
Or that when we praise God lands on us like a platform: if you watch what we do and repeat it then you will also worship. The New Wineskins (aka Vinyard) claims that the praise singing can induce a sexual-like climactic experience with God: just before final act of worship calling "giving of substance." All musical terms in the Greek literature parse directly to enchantment or sorcery: Paul warned about the "voice of angels" when he equated a lact of love to Lifeless Instruments also called Carnal Weapons. Jesus also warned about them in Isaiah and Ezekiel by naming speakers, singers and instrument players.
Tertullian also confirms out thesis in Isaiah 30 that Christ is defining the ONLY purpose for which hell was prepared. The way we can SEE and HEAR demon worship. Judah put their TRUST in Egypt and were overcome by the Assyrians all identified as using MUSIC to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."
Isaiah 30 uses the musical worship of the BULL DEMON Molech in Jerusalem to show FOR WHOM hell has been prepared:
Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX
Isa 30:32 And is shall happen to him from every side,
......that they from whome their hope of assistance was,
......in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with DRUMS and with HARP.
For thou shalt be required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee also to reign? nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX
The SORCERY / DEMON worship and MUSIC is absolute well documented on clay tablets and the last time in Revelation 18.
Lucifer is called the Singing and Harp playing prostitute who wholly seduced Eve in the Garden: he/she is personified by the king/queen of both Tyre and Babylon:
Isa. 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
......and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee,
......and the MAGGOTS cover thee.
Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [ZOE], son of the morning!
......how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Is. 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
......I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Is. 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Is. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Ezekiel and Josephus blame the LEVITES for national destruction.
October 31 2009, 10:29 PM
Read your Old Testament. God chose the tribe of Levi. He chose Aaron's sons and even the line of Zadok. We should get our understanding of doctrine from the Bible, not Jospehus, not liberal commentaries, and not descriptions of paganism in Greece and the Ancient Near East.
This gets off track a bit but it is important to understand why there is so many passages in the prophets warning about a Spirit OF Fire and a Spirit OF judgment. Even with Cornelius 'embraced it was the BREATH of God which produced WORDS in the Judean language which the Jews clearly understood. This was a sign of Judgment upon the doubting Jews still ready to DENY baptism to the Gentiles unless they were circumscized and kept the Law of Moses which was added because of transgression and not a sign of predestination.
The REASON for this overwhelming with WIND or Breath of God and FIRE was to DISQUALIFY the Law of Moses and the NOT-commanded sacrificial system which burned lambs and children with fire. Nothing could have been a more powerful death blow to the exclusive Jews (Edomites probably) than to have JUDEANS speaking in NON-Hebrew about THEIR Messiah whom they could not deny but still murdered. Peter reached back a decade to prove to the doubting Jews that this was proof that the Spirit HAD BEEN poured out to the Gentiles long ago. Instead of an ANGRY WIND the baptized believer would have A holy spirit in which God thorugh His Word could dwell and be sought. This gave them REST from the curse of the Law where the service of the Levites was HARD BONDAGE using aword having the same meaning as abaddon or apollyon in Revelation.
.......Psa. 33:6 By the [1] word of the [2] LORD were the heavens made;
..............and all the host of them by the [3] breath of his mouth.
.......Psa. 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap:
..............He layeth up the depth in storehouses.
.......Psa. 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD:
..............let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
.......Psa. 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
God abandoned Israel to worship the STARRY HOST because of sin at Mount Sinai. They were continuing their old Egyptian cult and the name LEVITE includes the tribe of Levi but it also points to the worship of Dionysus which coverered the whole area from Babylon, Canaan, Egypt and Greece. Acts 7 makes it clear with Amos that they continued the worship of Molech and other 'gods' representing the Sun, Moon and wandering stars or known planets. The Nacash in Genesis points directly to the NAGA or serpent and sun worshipers of Persia and India.
The Jewish Encyclopedia confirms what the Bible makes clear, that the Temple system was a NATIONAL or STATE sacrificial system. Christ in the prophets deny that this is what God commanded them when He saved them by pure grace. That was Sabazianism derived from Sabius or Dionysus / Bacchus: this was still part of the mindset of the Jewish clergy.
I would rather seek the advice of the almost-universal scholarly opinion than I would one trained as a speaker..
The Ghebers of Hebron 2 Hoaea, xii. 4 derives the name Inrael from Sarah to contend, to fight, and El = God of Fire. Gen. xxxii. '28. Asarians, Asriel, Israel, a name of the War god {Exodus, xiii. 21, 22, xiv. 25), Saturn and the Sun. The Fire-god Azar was the God of war, and M'irs was the Sun. Macrob. I. xvii. OS
For the Sabbath worshipers in the church: that was the day for the worship of ALL of the SUN gods.
The Jews blew the trumpet on the newmoon, poured out libations and offered burnt sacrifices. And for this duty the Lobii, Luim or Levites were assigned to do just what the Brahmans did in India. They ministered to la'hoh, Lord of Life, according to Exodus, iii. 14 ; xxxviii. 21; xl. 15; Jeremiah, xxxiii. 18. Hence the Jews were the Brahmaus of Palestine, as Josephus said, worshipping Brahma, whom, for their own political purposes, they chose to regard as Ab (Father) Ram (Most High) which title is not unsuitable to the Most High of the Hindu Gods. King states that the words brahrna and abrahm have the same numerical value.6
But these fire-worshippers carried with them the arks of Moloch and Khiun (Life-god), their Adon, and they had, like the other peoples of the Delta, their Mysteries, which the priests instituted. They took with them from Phoenicia, probably, a certain knowledge of fixed vocal signs; and it would not be safe to deny to Syria the possession of some sort of (Syrian) hieroglyphs
When the Gurus claim that Amos was just condemning "a bad mental attitude" then you grasp why Jesus fired the "doctors of the Law for taking away the key to knowledge."
Whatever the monarchs called "God" it was NOT the Jehovah of Jacob: He always hypenates His name to keep down the confusion. As Jesus He is Jehovah-Saves who came to save us FROM that "crooked race" probably Edomites and not Children of Israel..
THAT CANNOT DISTURB YOU IF YOU READ THE PROPHETS OR JUST ACTS 7: STEPHEN SAID THAT GOD TURNED THEM OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST. Doesn't the Words of Christ in the Prophets count for anything as His PROVIDING A WAY OF ESCAPE?
.......> Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel;
..............Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. Jeremiah 7:21
.......For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
..............in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
..............concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
.......> But this thing commanded I them, saying,
..............Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
..............and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you,
..............that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7:23
.......> But they HEARKENED NOT, nor inclined their ear,
..............but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
..............and went backward, and not forward. Jeremiah 7:24
That was ABSOLUTE when the elders FIRED God and demanded a human king. Just read the text of the first major PROPHET of doom:
In the name of common sense, WHY would anyone listen to anyone demanding that the SPIRIT told him to DO that to which God ABANDONED first Israel and then Judah?
Jacob says I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!" Of Simeon and Levi the patriarch remarks that they
.......Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments [Sword or Musical]
..............of cruelty are in their habitations.
.......Gen. 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret;
..............unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united:
.............. for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Habitations means "stabbing" from "a cooking range" or boiler, a pot or furnace. God knew that they had a lust for blood and flesh and that was the only rationale for the national or pagan sacrificial systems.
The Levites would be warriors and the latin is bellor To understand such words, the Greek and Latin literature must be read.
In Vergil Aeneid 11 the word Bello is used of the triumph over using music.
.......With such, return'd triumphant from the war,
.......Her maids with cries attend the lofty car;
.......They clash with manly force their moony shields;
.......With female shouts resound the Phrygian fields.
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel:
.......I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
"Dan," he says, "shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse-heels, so that his rider shall fall backwards (i.e., he will teach candidates black magic) .
Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,
.......an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels,
.......so that his rider shall fall backward.
David was KING and the Levites were under the king and commanders of the army: they were not part of the priestly class and even to COME NEAR any holy thing would get them killed.
The Bible is a history of the HEBREW PEOPLE: as such, it includes the Civil-Military-Priestly class which in all nations served the STATE and gave glory to it: they did not serve the people but as God promised when He gave them a "king in His anger" that the Monarchy--as national idolatry--would destroy them.
Let me say it again: the Spiritual THREAD is defined by Christ in spirit through the WRITING PROPHETS. Only these earlier prophets and the later apostles LAID (past tense) the foundation of the Church. You can lay a foundation only once and this one is built on the ROCK (Christ in the wilderness church).
Once a will is probated by its testators it forever stands for the mind of the one making the Will.
It confirms the Bible that all of the historic scholars DENY that God needed a human king, priests and a sacrificial system QUARANTINED within the walls of the CITY: We as Christians go OUTSIDE of the city to find Christ and suffer REPROACHES with Him.
This year ACU used the MOUNTAIN top them: when they came down they flat SKIPPED over Exodus 32. Now, why would a bunch of scholars bent on imposing the MUSICAL IDOLATRY which cause God to turn them over to worship the starry host just like in Babylon and back in Egypt? Well, you don't need school to be a scholar thse days.
If you have read Acts 7 you will understand Stephen saying that God turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST.
For we readers, #150 is NOT a Psalm but a HALAL which means to make yourself vile by making threats with all of the instruments derived from prostitutes: David made war, not worship.
If God ABANDONED them and sentenced them to return BEYOND BABYLON
......then how is it you are going to snatch bits and pieces of an ABANDONED group
......as a pattern for the church which is a school (only) of the Bible (only).
......It has no staff or roles not directed to teaching THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.
If you have read 2 Samuel you will discover that TIME WAS UP when the elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations. God knew that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations. God claimed that He would not rescue them even if they repented and He did not. The Temple was like all pagan temples. If you read Stephen you will discover that God did not want nor need a Temple: trust Christ in the prophets and not the Scribes (hypocrites meaning speakers, singers and instrument players says Jesus).
......Then, what is it about kings being selected to carry out the robbing, stealing, starving them
......for lack of the Word and carrying out God's captivity and death sentence that causes people to
......lie to God and about God to impose the WARRIOR LEVITE'S INSTRUMENTS in a church
......which is a school (only) of the Bible (only)?
......The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. Why would your preacher
......think that he is a "king set over you" to appeal (always) to the Levites to aid him in the war?
......If a Levite came NEAR any holy thing or place he would be executed by the "brethren."
......They did their dirty work in the slaughter and burning pit which God did not command.
......The body or church of Christ was prefigured by the Holy Place. Why do you think you
......can use the Levites as authority without getting spiritually executed?
I will explain to you later what Stephen meant by their REJOICING and what is translated as PLAY. ACU using their mountain PATTERNISM just skipped past Exodus 32 which PROVES that God removed GRACE because of MUSICAL IDOLALTRY: they were not playing hopscotch. For now, let me define the word HALAL which is the root word for LUCIFER and has the same meaning as Chalal which defines the idolatry which began after Enosh when men began to PROFANELY call themselves Jehovah. It is translated, play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute or prostitute. You can take your pick. When Peter speaks of SPORTING do you think they were fishing?
I just can't explain why the UNIVERSAL pleading for instrumental music in the SCHOOL OF CHRIST if from a Warrior's praise song. Nor why people think it is a PSALM. And just why it is they want to go naked with David and make themselves vile. The BOOK of psalms contains only 57 true Mizmors.
You will notice that this fits the PATTERNISM of Israel being TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOSTS including LUCIFER (Zoe) who was Venus or the FALSE MORNING STAR.
......Then when you see David sing, dance, go naked and whirl around in a circle why would you NOT
......believe that He was worshiping the starry host? Rather than kill David, God had given him a
......Jebusite High Place already used for Sabazianism.
All of the instruments in Halal 150 (not a psalm) connect to bad people. For instance,
"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers).
"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp. Source
......H5035 nebel nębel neh'-bel, nay'-bel From H5034 ; a skin bag for liquids
......(from collapsing when empty); hence, a vase (as similar in shape when full);
......also a lyre (as having a body of like form): bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol.
...... H5034 nâbęl naw-bale' A primitive root; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint;
......figuratively to be foolish or (morally) wicked; causatively to despise, disgrace:disgrace,
......dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, -ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly,
......come to nought, X surely, make vile, wither.
The translaters of the Greek version used Psallo because it speaks of MAKING WAR or "shooting love arrows." It has no musical content: it means to PLUCK something. If you pluck a harp string it twangs but it does not make music. All of the PSALLO words demand plucking with the FINGERS but never with a plectrum. That eleminates a guitar pick, trumpet, drum, piano or organ which cannot be PLUCKED with your fingers.
ALL of the prooftext adduced by the Disciples for PSALLO have the context of older males plucking the harp to seduce a young boy.
Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,
......as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,
......but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.
[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:
......"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."
And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.
The musicians in Revelation 18 were the MUSES known as dirty adulterers: they with the speakers and instrument players are called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.
In Revelation17 it is the rise (having risen) Babylon mother of harlots who uses "lusted after fruits" as here worship team of sorcerers. Not to worry: most musical and names of instruments are to perform ENCHANTMENT or WITCHCRAFT. These are the same "baskets of summer fruits) Amos warned about.
For the musical bandits: thou shalt not practice sorcery.
November 4 2009, 7:03 PM
When the Israelites refused to listen to the Word of God they rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry: as indicated in Romans 1 and lots of other passages the MUSICAL rituals both MARKED and CAUSED an outbreak of sexual perversion.
Because of that God abandoned them to worship the starry host. So, you are dealing with people who would use the CURSE of Sabazianism as their patternism for musical worship. Even though they made NOISE and worship means ot fall on your face.
You could lay out texts from the Serpent as a Musical Enchanter(ess) which Christ in the prophets called "the singing and harp playing prostitute", to the Alpha and Omega warning about the Babylon mother of harlots using lusted after "fruits" as speakers, singers and instrument players John called Sorcerers and they would STILL plead ignorance. I'm Convinced.
Dt 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
The Hebrew for "serpent" in Genesis 3:1 nachash which means to hiss, mutter or whisper as do enchanters. It also means in a secondary sense to divine, or enchant or mesmerize, as a snake often does before catching its prey. It also has the meaning to shine or sparkle, like bronze or copper. Some Scriptures also tell us that Satan has an extremely attractive appearance (see e.g. 2 Cor. 11:3, 14), and this Hebrew word therefore also conveys the meaning to fascinated bewitch. (Cp. Deut. 18:10-14).
Dt 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
As the speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18.
God turning them over to worship the STARRY HOST is THEIR authority and they use the COMMANDS to worship like the Babylonians as THEIR commands for worship BECAUSE God never said "Thou shalt not worship like the Babylonians.
HERE IS AN APPROVED NEGATIVE EXAMPLE
For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. Deut 18:14
Observer of times:
H6049 ânan aw-nan' A primitive root; to cover; used only as denominative from H6051 ,
to cloud over; figuratively to act covertly, that is, practise magic, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times,
soothsayer, sorcerer.
Anath (h6067) an-awth'; from 6030; answer; Anath, an Isr.: - Anath.
Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.
Anath: This Canaanite Goddess' name means 'to answer' and may be related to the Akkadian word ettu meaning 'active will.160' She was a major deity all over the western parts of the Near East, including Egypt where she was later considered to be the same Goddess as Libyan Neith. Titles for her include Belet'net 'virgin Anath,' 'Nethebely161 'the destroyer,' and Yebemet-limm 'widow of the nation(?)'162. Her worship extended from the 2nd millenium BCE deep into the Hellenistic Age, when it began to be forced underground. Like the original Athena, she ruled battle, the hunt, and the passage of souls from one world to the next. She was also a Death Goddess who wore the goatskin aegis -- or at least, the Egyptians attributed Neith's aegis to her. This sacred garment has been described as a cloak, apron, breastplate, or shield. In Anath's case, it shifted in function as religious ceremony changed. Originally it was probably a garment worn by each Libyan woman when she came of age, made of cloth and marked with snakes and Moon symbols, or made of many braids of string.
Later it was remade, parts of its feminine symbolism removed and turned into a garment worn during animal sacrifices. Then it was decorated with severed penises, representing both types of death men experience, loss of erection and the ending of their lives.
Those who have been MUSICATED cannot bring themselves to grasp that as promised the WOMEN and CHILDREN (effeminate) rule over you. I just smile and smile because I have read Isaiah 3 written by Christ.
Lucifer (Zoe) replaced 3 tribal stones on the breastplate with wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for him/her and those they can seduce. The SOUNDS of being driven into hell are the same wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ says that Lucifer/Zoe was the singing and harp playing prostitute in the Garden Eden.
When the Levites (an old Egyptian Cult) were to PROPHESY with instruments: the word means a SOOTHSAYER. Why NOT if God turned the musical patternist's APPROVED EXAMPLE over to worship the STARS? The linen garment of the priests was something like a "nighty" garment. The Ephod was a Babylonian vulva still worn by the Pope under his DAGON hat.
Actually, everywhere you look, it seems, they're dancing in their dresses. So we thus find The Childrens custom of dressing "like a woman," from which the later Christian priests adopted their heavenly skirts. And with the ancient KABIRI statue of a god called Cabeiros,
Plutrarch says they were the astronomers and astrologers of Chaldea around 3200 B.C.
According to Herodotus, they surfaced some 2,000 years after that as an effeminate priesthood in what is now southern Russia and present-day Ukraine. They were called the ENAREE, "endowed by the goddess Venus with the gift of prophecy."
They can also be found transformed into the wild young goat man, PAN [Beast in Revelation], frolicking through the glades. As the GALLI priest [Galatians 5] with (according to another tight-assed academic) their "revolting sensual rites [and] the hermaphroditic element," their drums thundered and cymbals clashed, spreading magic among the onlookers lining the flower-strewn streets.
Heredotus also note what is clear from the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai, the "god" of the Jews was Bacchus or Dionysus: the same "new wineskin God." The Jews at the time of Christ were addicted to Dionysus worship and wanted to "initiate" Jesus and hoped that John wore the "soft clothing." Zeus (father) and Dionysus (son) were worshipped as the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple. All priests were "gay brotherhoods."
REMEMBER: GOD ABANDONED THEM TO WORSHIP THE STARY HOST
David had these on his staff because he was abandoned to worship the starry host.
"We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'AROUSERS,' sang (every morning?) this verse from "Ps 44:23: "Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever." The Talmud tells us that John Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom." (Roland de Vaux, p. 247).
Enchanter:
H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate:-- X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.
H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):--serpent.
Ps 58:5 Which will not hearken to the voice [singing] of cha
Levites Mocked at the cross: how you can REcrucify Him
November 12 2009, 3:26 PM
Galatians 5:16
"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature."
We often miss the PUNCH LINE.
Paul, and history agrees, that Paul never speaks of "spirit" as a person much less a third member of the Godhead. In Romans 7-8 Paul's conflict was between HIS spirit and HIS flesh. That conflict continues as we speak.
Gal. 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
NOW JUMP BACK AND UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE RE-CRUCIFY CHRIST WHEN THEY INTRODUCE RITUALS TO "CREATE SPIRITUAL ANXIETY THROUGH RELIGIOUS RITUALS." THAT IS THE LADED BURDEN JESUS DIED TO REMOVE.
Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
Apokopto (g609) ap-ok-op'-to; from 575 and 2875; to amputate; reflex. (by irony) to mutilate (the privy parts): - cut off. Comp. 2699.
Gregory Nazianzen
Nor are we concerned with Phrygian mutilations and flutes and Corybantes, and all the ravings of men concerning Rhea [Zoe], consecrating people to the mother of the gods, and being initiated into such ceremonies as befit the mother of such gods as these. Nor have we any carrying away of the Maiden, nor wandering of Demeter, nor her intimacy with Celei and Triptolemi and Dragons; nor her doings and sufferings ... for I am ashamed to bring into daylight that ceremony of the night, and to make a sacred mystery of obscenity. Eleusis knows these things, and so do those who are eyewitnesses of what is there guarded by silence, and well worthy of it. Nor is our commemoration one of Dionysus, and the thigh that travailed with an incomplete birth, as before a head had travailed with another; nor of the hermaphrodite god, nor a chorus of the drunken and enervated host; nor of the folly of the Thebans which honours him; nor the thunderbolt of Semele which they adore. Nor is it the harlot mysteries of Aphrodite, who, as they themselves admit, was basely born and basely honoured; nor have we here Phalli and Ithyphalli, shameful both in form and action; nor Taurian massacres of strangers; nor blood of Laconian youths shed upon the altars, as they scourged themselves with the whips; and in this case alone use their courage badly, who honour a goddess, and her a virgin. For these same people both honour effeminacy, and worship boldness.
NOTES: 11 There was a temple of Rhea in Phrygia, in which at her festivals people mutilated themselves to do her honour. The flutes alluded to served to turn the thoughts of the sufferes from the pain of the operation.
The Corybantes were the ministers of the goddess, who led the wild orgies of her worship. It is believed that there is an allusion to this practice of self-mutilation in Galat. v. 12. So at least S. Jerome, S. Ambrose, and all the Greek Fathers take the passage. S. Thomas Aquinas, understanding the word in the same sense, applies it mystically; and Estius, who here follows Erasmus, refers the "cutting off" merely to excommunication, a sense which he calls "Apostolico sensu dignior,"through why "dignior" it is not easy to see. Yet he acknowledges that those who interpret it literally do so "non immerito."
Here is what an agitator does to recrucify Christ
Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.) to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down, make an uproar, to stir up, excite, unsettle to excite tumults and seditions in the state to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error
Psallo psallô I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: psallere saltare elegantius, Horace Odes 4:13.7. Jucundus, Voluptuosus
Elegant Elego I. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away
Have you noticed that when they resurrected the PSALLO word they KNEW that they would sow discord and DRIVE AWAY the family? This is to RECRUCIFY CHRIST.
PSALLO IS ALWAYS USED OF WARRIORS, PAGANS OR PERVERTS:
Against Catiline [23] In these bands are all the gamblers, all the adulterers, all the unclean and shameless citizens. These boys, so witty and delicate, have learnt not only to love and to be loved, not only to sing and to dance, but also to brandish daggers and to administer poisons; and unless they are driven out, unless they die, even should Catiline die, I warn you that the school of Catiline would exist in the republic.
Horace Odes 4.13
The gods have heard, the gods have heard my prayer;
Yes, Lyce! you are growing old, and still
You struggle to look fair;
You drink, and dance, and trill
Your songs to youthful Love, in accents weak
With wine, and age, and passion. Youthful Love!
He dwells in Chia's cheek,
And hears her harp-strings move.
HERE IS THE PRACTICE AND THE PEOPLE DEFINED AS AGITATORS:
Melpô, Sing or celebrate a song and dance Melos 2.music to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, Mouso-polos, on, A.serving the Muses, poetic II. Subst., bard, minstrel, AS THE: Aoidos A.singer, minstrel, bard, 3.enchanter, Eunouchos Eunouchos A.castrated person, eunuch, employed to take charge of the women Gallos, ho, A. priest of Cybele, Used with: Pempô, 2. pompęn p. conduct, or take part in, a procession, chorous move in dancing procession, phallos Dionusôi pempomenos carried in procession in his honour
Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:
Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."
Ver. 12.
"I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."
"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will,
let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.
Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this,
why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?
For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;
and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure.
Eusebio Tanicala: 13 Steps to a Better Understanding Why the Use of Mechanical Instruments of Music in Christian Worship Lacks New Testament Authority In Bible Study Lessons, Features on January 29, 2009 at 5:35 am
However, what he proves is that the OLD TESTAMENT had absolute authority and that Christian Worship simply LACKS AUTHORITY which would be a command, example or inference. Both the Old and New Testaments are filled with word meanings which repudiate music in the not commanded sacrificial system and identifies it with the always-perverted pagan religions.
Eusebio lists several steps from the Old Testament to PROVE that God commanded and approved instrumental music in worship. Why are we not surprised when most preachers in the CONSERVATIVE church of Christ teaches and believes the same things. Men of NOTE will hurt you real bad if you suggest that this was not the old legal PATTERNISM. HOWEVER, God has changed His Mind and given us a NEW LAW OF WORSHIP which does nothing more than simply OMIT naming instruments.
Those wanting to impose instruments will never be convinced by the claimed LACK OF EVIDENCE. Christ speaks through the Prophets and not the Scribes whom he identified as hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players.
This material is published for the Filipino Brethren.
Do only ignorant fools believe that Amos condemned instrumental worship?
November 15 2009, 4:01 PM
DID GOD COMMAND INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC AS WORSHIP IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus warned that doctors of the law have the purpose driven goal to "take away the key to knowledge." That is why they deliberately ignore God's use of religious music as the MARK of Satan from Genesis to Revelation. No historic scholar was so ignorant that they would claim what the THOUGHT LEADERS who have infiltrated churches of Christ to DIVERT them claim as scholarly.
1. It is safe to say that all of the "conservative" preachers in the Church of Christ believe and teach that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC as worship under the OLD LAW.
2. But, because we live under a NEW LAW and instruments are not commanded as part of that Law.
3. We do not use instruments because it is simply NOT COMMANDED
* It is also safe to say that most preachers, the theological scholars at once-Christian colleges and even the Greek and Hebrew scholars believe and teach
* That even with the long list of the ACTS including the use of singing with instrumental music in the temple was not wrong within itself (since it was, they believe, commanded by God).
* However, God just condemned their bad mental attitude.
One could reasonably ask whether these people supported by non-instrumental groups do not INTEND to givbe aid and comfort to the instrumental discorders.
Are people who think that Amos condemned the FACT of singing and instruments in the temple just ignorant fools?
Part One 13 Steps to understand the the use of Instruments
By Eusebio Tanicala
To my brethren and especially members of the PBC alumni association, please open your Bible to Amos 5:23.
Please open your eyes and your mind.
What is the first part of v. 23? It says,
Take away from Me the noise of your songs.
If v. 23 prohibits the use of stringed instruments,
should not singing also be prohibited.
Both Amos and the Classics repudiate singing AND playing an instrument at the same time: that would be for the women and effeminate in most societies.
But why do you sing in your worship time? Why do you sing in your birthday celebrations? Why do you sing during funeral services? Why apply prohibition on the second part of the verse but not in the first part of the verse.
Indeed, those who know the context of Amos and consistency as well as simple logic would only laugh at Churches of Christ preachers who use Amos 5:6 in arguing against the use of instruments of music.
I plead with fellow preachers and church leaders to STOP using Amos 5 and Amos 6
as proofs against the use of instruments of music in worship.
Using them as proofs against instrument of music in worship
would only reveal ignorance and would help perpetuate wresting of scriptures.
Further, a foolish and weak argument against a practice removes the sting of ones advocacy. ( Eusebio Tanicala, Ph.D.)
How then should we interpret Amos 5:21-25 and Amos 6:4-6? Are the items enumerated prohibited? How do we interpret You sing idle songs to the sound of the harp, and you fancy yourselves to be great musicians, as King David was? (NLB)
Second, we should be consistent. Look at the context. If the portion, I will not hear the melody of thy viols (5:23). were a prohibition on the use of instruments of music at the time of Amos, then to be contextually consistent, all others in the context disliked by Yahweh, like feast days, solemn assemblies, burnt offerings, meat offerings, peace offerings, drinking with the use of bowls, eating fatted cows, lying on soft beds, ..
AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE THAT MAKES ALL RECORDED COMMENTATORS IGNORANT FOOLS.
......"we recognize the same elements: the sacrifices and libation, the cultic feast in which the congregation gets a share of food and drink after it has been blessed by the king, and the merry-making, now in the form of instrumental and vocal music. But the central act of the ritual, which was performed by the king, is called literally 'drinking' the god (Gurney, O. R. Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 33-34, Oxford University Press, 1977)
......"Sacrifices, rituals, festivals honoring Yahweh abounded, but these rites were tangible evidence of lack of knowledge, for they expressed the popular belief that Yahweh could be pleased and pacified by cultic ceremonies.
......"The condemnation of cultic rites introduced in 4:4 f. and 5:4 f. is picked up again with new vehemence. It has been argued that Amos was not opposed to cultic ritual per se but condemned the mind set of the people by which responsibility to Yahweh was performed perfunctorily and without relationship to daily life and society.
"If we take Amos' words as they stand, there seems to be little doubt that he condemned the entire religious pattern--feasts, sacrifices, ritual music, offerings, tithes--everything. Gerald LaRue, History of the O.T
......NO command of God was ever so ascribed to man. The use of the instruments of music in the Old Testament were of man, not of God." (Tract on music, Lipscomb).
......"Doubtless they sounded harmoniously in their own ears; but it reached no further. Their melody, like much Church-music, was for itself, and ended in itself. 'Let Christian chanters learn hence, not to set the whole devotion of Psalmody in a good voice, subtelty of modulation and rapid intonation, quavering like birds, to tickle the ears of the curious, take them off to themselves and away from prayer, lest they hear from God." (Barnes, Albert, Amos, p. 300)
"Surely these inspired statements are sufficient to show that David made, invented, and commanded the use of instruments of music in divine worship. Where does revelation explain that God made, invented, appointed, or commanded the use of instrumental music in ordained worship of that age? On the basis of plain declarations, the contention that David introduced the idea is founded; in the absence of such testimony that God is the author, we reject the opinion that God authorized the practice." (L.O. Sanderson, p. 350).
......"From the beginning, then, it was not so. Neither is it a part of or aid to Christian worship. Since there is no record of God ordaining the practice, he must have simply tolerated or indulged it, just as he did regarding some ignorance, kings, divorces, and polygamy" (Sanderson, p. 351).
"It was by the hand or commandment of the Lord and his prophets that the Levites should praise the Lord; for so the Hebrew text may be understood:
"and it was by the order of David that so many instruments of music should be introduced into the Divine service." (Adam Clark, Commentary on 2 Chron. 29:25).
Then Clark says:
......"But were it evident, which it is not, either from this (2 Chron. 29:25) or any other place in the sacred writings, that instruments of music were prescribed by Divine authority under the law, could this be adduced with any semblance of reason that they ought to be used in Christian Worship? No..." (Adam Clark, Commentary, Vol. II, PP. 690-691).
"I believe that David was not authorized by the Lord to introduce that multitude of musical instruments into the divine worship of which we read; and I am satisfied that his conduct in this respect is most solemnly reprehended by this prophet; and I further believe that the use of such instruments of music in the Christian church is without the sanction and against the will of God; that they are subversive of the spirit of true devotion...if there was a woe to them who invented instruments of music, as did David under the law, is there no woe...to those who introduce them?" (Adam Clark, Commenting on Amos 6:5).
......"It is foreign also to the piety of Clement that the (song) instituted for drinking companies, to be sung in the convivial feasts of the Gentiles... As if he [Clement] did not know that Psalms, not 'wine songs,'... were recited at the close of the Supper... I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement).
......"...Scriptures do condemn the use that David made of the instruments in worship--Amos 6:5: 'Woe to them... that chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;' and Amos 5:23: 'Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.' The condemnation of the instruments of music in this passage turns on the phrase like David--it does not say like David's, which could refer only to the instruments, but like David is the use that David made of the instruments. David did not invent the musical instrument--Jubal invented the instruments (Gen. 4:21)--but David invented them for worship--they were David's innovation." (Wallace, p. 177).
......"Amos, we are told, is the sharpest critic of musical instruments in pre-Christian times. through him God expresses a preference for justice and honesty over bloody sacrifice and its attendant music of song and instruments. This sentiment, we are told, was revolutionary, making part of a similar change felt over the civilized world... And overall view of the evidence, McKinnon thinks, reveals a relationship between the three elements: a higher conception of God, a rejection of sacrifice, and a rejection of musical instruments." (Green, William M, Pepperdine College, in Restoration Quarterly, v. 19, 1966).
......"To hear a man's or woman's voice sing Handel's solo... beats through one's chest with some sort of a throb depending on how well he or she is singing, and how much you respond to this kind of music. But no matter how much you may 'enjoy' Handel's solo, the words are not meant to be entertainment." (Schaeffer, Edith, Christianity is Jewish, p. 1)
...... "Amos stressed "that violations of the moral law could not be remedied by means of festive rites, offerings, or liturgical indulgence on the part of the sinner. In point of fact, God was already standing beside the altar (Am. 9:1ff), poised and ready to shatter it. No ritual, however, elaborate and symbolic in nature, could possibly substitute for the sincere worship of the human spirit, grounded in high moral and ethical principles." (Harrison, p. 895).
...... "Not surprisingly, most Israelites declined the prophet's invitation to enter into a dialog with Yahweh. They preferred a less demanding religion of cultic observance either in the Jerusalem Temple or in the old fertility cults of Canaan. This continues to be the case: the religion of compassion is followed only by a minority; most religious people are content with decorous worship in synagogue, church, temple and mosque. The ancient Canaanite religions were still flourishing in Israel... the Israelites were still taking part in fertility rites and sacred sex there, as we see in the oracles of the prophet Hosea, Amos' contemporary." (Armstrong, Karen, A History of God, p. 47).
F. B. Bruce is one of the best known modern writer and one might expect that he would defend the denominational practice. However, he like most who rest on their scholarship tell the truth. He wrote--
......"The Holy Spirit, uttering His voice by Amos, pronounces the rich to be wretched on account of their luxury: 'Those that drink strained wine, and recline on an ivory couch,' he says; and what else similar he adds by way of reproach. Especial regard is to be paid to decency (as the myth represents Athene, whoever she was, out of regard to it,
......giving up the pleasure of the flute because of the unseemliness of the sight). (Clement of Alexandria, p. 245).
"...these same people were punctilious in their religious observances. Never did such abundant sacrifices smoke to Yahweh from the altars at Dan and Bethel and other sanctuaries in Israel; and the note of praise rose regularly and loudly from tongue and harp. Was not this the worship in which Yahweh delighted? So they thought, but the voice of Yahweh through His prophet told a different story." (F.F. Bruce, Israel, p. 58).
Bruce shows, along with the LXX, that (1) music was used as worship, (2) they thought that God would delight in it, but (3) God condemned it. This refutes those who deny that Amos said anything about music and it supports the clear statement and context of the book of Amos.
Most ancient scholars not only condemn music as worship but show that it had its origin in pagan superstition and was the product of the poets (songs as magical incantations)--
......"It was only permitted to the Jews as sacrifice was, for the heaviness and grossness of their souls. God condescended to their weakness, because they were lately drawn off from idols; but now, instead of organs, we may use our own bodies to praise him withal." (Chrysostom on Psa. 149, Vol. iii, p. 634).
"I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5, 5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement)
"It is foreign also to the piety of Clement that the (song) instituted for drinking companies, to be sung in the convivial feasts of the Gentiles... As if he [Clement] did not know that Psalms, not 'wine songs,'... were recited at the close of the Supper... I say that so great a profanation of the Psalms is most severely condemned by God in the third [commandment] of the Decalogue and Amos 5:23; 6:5" (Joseph Bingham, Antiq. of the Christian Church, Vol. 2, p. 485 quoting Clement).
"This passage (Amos 5:23-24) shows us that Amos was opposed
......to the forms in which people acted out their worship of God,
...... and other passages strengthen this impression.
......Turning back to the Mosaic period, Amos asks the rhetorical question: 'Did you bring to me sacrifices and offerings the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?" (5:25). He is merciless in his attack on the shrines, especially the royal shrine of Jeroboam II at Bethel (3:14; 7:7-9, 10-17; 9:1). It is very doubtful, however, that he intended a wholesale abolition of the system of worship. Rather, Amos was probably demanding that the cult be purified, for it had become so contaminated by pagan thought and practice that the people had become indifferent to the true worship of Yahweh and the demand of his torah... He demanded that everything be swept away that did not conform to the proper worship of Yahweh." (Anderson, Bernard, Understanding OT, p. 277).
...... "The prophets were singularly unimpressed by all this religious busyness. They asserted that the people had abandoned the true God for heathen idolatries and that their much-frequented sanctuaries were sinks of iniquity. Recent archaeological discoveries go a long way towards confirming their condemnation of popular religion. It is significant, for example, that on the ostraca from eighth-century Samaria, the proportion of names compounded with Baal suggests that no less than a third of the population practiced some form of Canaanite religion." (Heaton, E. W., Everyday Life in the Old Testament, Scribners), p. 231).
......You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god -- which you made for yourselves. -- Amos 5:26
...... Yea, ye took the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Raephan,
the image of them which ye made for yourselves." Amos 5:26 LXX
......"The neighboring gods of Phoenicia, Canaan, Moab--Baal, Melkart, Astarte, Chemosh, Moloch, etc--were particularly attractive to Jerusalem, while the old Sem calf-worship seriously affected the state religion of the Northern Kingdom...the worship of the sun, moon, stars and signs of the Zodiac became so intensely fascinating that these were introduced even into the temple itself (2 Ki. 17:16; 21:3-7; 23:4, 12; Jer. 19:13; Ezek. 8:16; Amos 5:26)" (Int Std Bible Ency., Idolatry, p. 1448).
Starting with Moses God instituted the Jewish laws and the Jews were commanded to do them. This was the beginning of the dispensation of law and was in effect, for the Jews, until the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD. God's relationship with the nation of Israel was one of faith in God, AND doing the works of the law (faith + works, James 2:24). If you can see it, the main thing that Jesus told the Jews is that they had left out the "faith in God" part and only had faith in their religion (works) (read Luke 7:1-9 and notice verse 9 and read John 5:38-40).
Neither Abraham nor Rahab were JEWS and they were never under the Law of Moses.
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way
THE FAITH is contrasted to THE LAW. This is not related to personal faith: If a Jew by faith obeyed every jot and tittle of The Book of The Law they would not be one bit more righteous. God did not NEED a covenant or system of religious acts to approve people:
......Acts 10:35 But in every nation
............he that feareth him,
............and worketh righteousness,
............is accepted with him
......Psa. 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
......Psa. 15:2 He that walketh uprightly,
............and worketh righteousness,
............and speaketh the truth in his heart.
There is no way to perform priestly roles. God has no interest in ceremonial legalism. He does not judge by what he seees or hears. So, get a job like Paul commanded Timothy so you can minister to the poor.
There is only one Spiritual Covenant: that made by Christ to Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew and the Covenant of Grace was to bless ALL NATIONS. There were 70 known nations at this time. The later Israelites lost faith and went into Egyptian Captivity for 430 years. The promise by Christ to the NATIONS was BEFORE the law and the Law of Moses did not REPLACE the Abrhamic covenant.
That Book of the Covenant of Grace was offered to Israel at Mount Sinai but before it could be written down they TURNED BACK to their old Babylonian / Egyptian worship of the heavenly bodies (Sabazianism). God saw this as their REJECTION of Grace and of HIM so he came with a FIREY LAW to govern them until the captivity and death sentence could be carried out.
From the wilderness onward, the godly people not of the cursed tribe of Levi attended the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. They were quarantined outside the gates where the blood and flesh lust of the Levi tribe took place.
One value of the New Covenant is that the Abrahamic Covenant of Grace is restored, empowered by Jesus Christ as the SOLE Rabbi ONLY when the leaders "teach that which has been taught." You cannot even HALLUCINATE any musical content when Jesus is present and teaching us as DISCIPLES and not as CEREMONIAL LEGALISTS DOING WORSHIP.
The other value is that the EVIL Civil-Military-Priestly system has been cut down with its houses built by human hands.
......Ezek. 16:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
......Ezek. 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
......Ezek. 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem;
............Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan;
............thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
......Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
............which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
............where also our Lord was crucified.
That is what many are PURPOSED DRIVEN to restore as quickly as their evil little hands can restore it.
......Gal. 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which
............are OF FAITH, the same are the children of Abraham.
......Gal. 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
............preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
............saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
......Gal. 3:9 So then they which be OF FAITH are blessed with faithful Abraham.
HOW DID GOD DEFINE JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH?
......Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven,
............and will give unto thy seed all these countries;
............and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
......Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham
............obeyed my voice,
............and kept my charge,
............my commandments,
............my statutes,
............and my laws.
......Gen. 26:6 And Isaac dwelt in Gerar:
......Gal. 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written,
............Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things
............which are written in the book of the law to do them.
......Gal. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
............for, The just shall live by faith.
......Gal. 3:12 And the law is not of faith:
............but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
......Gal. 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,
............being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
......Gal. 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ;
............that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
......Gal. 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men;
......Though it be but a mans covenant, yet if it be confirmed,
......no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
......The Israelites refused to listen to The Book of The Covenant.
......They engaged in musical idolatry.
......God turned them over to worship the starry host of their old Babylon or Egypt.
......The Book of The Law was to regulate the Civil-Military-Clergy national system
............It had no ability to cleanse the conscience.
......Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers,
............A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,
............like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
......Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass,
............that every soul, which will not hear that prophet,
............shall be destroyed from among the people.
......He that believeth AND is baptized SHALL BE saved
......He that believith NOT shall be damned.
......Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,
............and preach the gospel to every creature. [No Jew-Gentile distinction]
......Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
............but he that believeth not shall be damned.
......Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
............as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Acts 3:24
......Ye are the children of the prophets,
............and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,
............And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Acts 3:25
......That is why the Prophecies made more certain by Jesus Christ are our SPIRITUAL FATHERS
......Under the ONLY SPIRITUAL covenant of Grace.
......FLEE from Babylon when any simpleton tells YOU that the Spirit told HIM that the sacrificial
......Horror is YOUR pattern for musical worship.
......Unto you first
............God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you,
............in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 3:26
......Turning means to be converted means to be baptized FOR the remission of sins.
......Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
............He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one,
............And to thy seed, which is Christ.
......Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God IN Christ,
............the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul,
............that it should make the promise of none effect.
......Gal. 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise:
............but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
......Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law?
............It was added because of transgressions,
..................till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
......and it was ordained by angels in the HAND of a mediator.
......"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it;
...... but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous,
......is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection
...... of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
......Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey.
............And the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
......Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man,
............and wondered that there was no intercessor:
............therefore his arm brought salvation unto him;
............and his righteousness, it sustained him.
......Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate,
............and a helmet of salvation upon his head;
............and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
............and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
......Isa 59:18 According to their deeds,
............accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries,
............recompense to his enemies;
............to the islands he will repay recompense.
......Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west,
............and his glory from the rising of the sun.
............When the enemy shall come in like a flood,
............the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.
......Gal. 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
......Gal. 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God?
............God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life,
............verily righteousness should have been by the law.
......Gal. 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
............that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
......Gal. 3:23 But before faith [the faith] came,
............we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
......Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ,
............hat we might be justified by faith.
......Gal. 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
......WHAT? Gal. 3:26 FOR ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
......HOW? Gal. 3:27 FOR as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
NO MORE, NO LESS:
......Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,
............there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
......Gal. 3:29 And if ye be Christs, then are ye Abrahams seed,
............and heirs according to the promise.
Because Abraham was not a Jew, there is NO distinction: Christ sent the first apostles to ALL NATIONS which included anyone who would hear. They were commanded to begin in Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria and then to the uttermost parts of the world (Gentiles).
Paul denies that he preached a GOSPEL OF GRACE in contrast to a GOSPEL OF LAW. As I remember it Peter baptized the first gentiles.
You are NOT a disciple if you trust those who "private interpret" meaning "further expounding" or who corrupt the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." The same word speaks of adultery.
The REPUDIATION of Christ's command which connects "remission of sins with baptism" is one of the end time marks which fits perfectly with the rise of MUSIC which was introduced in the Garden of Eden by Lucifer (Zoe) who was the "singing and harp playing prostitute" which is consistent with the end time Babylon mother of harlots (Rev 17) whose "ministers" are speakers, singers and instrument players: John calls them SORCERERS and so all musical terms define closing the rational or spiritual mind so the garbage will be accepted by those lulled to sleep (the Locust-Muse code) so they can be given the sting of death.
This fits most of the latest spawn of preachers trained to go out and betray godly people. Rebeling against authority is one of the MARKS of Christ prophey about the CHILDREN in Isaiah3.
Jesus used a word (translated in both Latin and Greek) which defines those who do not COMPLY with "he that believeth AND is baptized SHALL be saved" as in REVOLT or TREACHEROUS. They in effect tell Jesus Christ that HE has no power to save.
Remembering that both Jesus through His Apostles were carrying out the search for the TINY REMNANT still alive in Jerusalem who had not bowed to Baal. And that baptism was FOR or IN ORDER to the remission of sins where one's PERSONAL faith is like filthy rags: it is THE FAITH of Jesus Christ which contains the power in contrast to THE LAW which was imposed on those not fit for salvation because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel of God against themselves,
being not baptized of him.
The MARK of the MEN who could not or as VIPERS not fit to be baptized would be baptized with WIND and FIRE as the VIPER race. Jesus then MARKED them with the prophecy of Isaiah 3 where the men are marked by music as effeminate:
Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the MEN of this generation? and to what are they like?
Luke 7:32 They are like unto CHILDREN sitting in the marketplace
and calling one to another, and saying,
We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced;
we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept
The Latin for Mark 16:16 defines FAITH as TRUST and not simple believing a fact
Mark 16.[16] qui crediderit et baptizatus fuerit salvus erit qui vero non crediderit condemnabitur
He that BELIEVETH complies with what is commanded.
LATIN:
A. Credo I. Orig. belonging to the lang. of business, to GIVE CREDIT. to give as a loan, to loan, lend, make or loan to any one: (vilicus) injussu domini credat nemini;
II. Transf. beyond the circle of business (very freq. in every period and species of composition).
A. With the prevailing idea of intended protection, to commit or consign something
to one for preservation, protection, etc., to intrust to one, = committo, commendo (cf. concredo)
GREEK:
4100. pisteuo, pist-yoo´-o; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially ones spiritual well-being to Christ): believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
2. COMPLY, hs oukh hupeixn oude pisteusn legeis; S.OT625, cf. 646 ;
BELIEVETH NOT does not mean "just haven't decided." THE BELIEVETH NOTS refuse to comply or OBEY the direct connection between Baptism and Salvation or remission of sins which is a clear statement of Jesus in several places.
Example:
Soph. OT 625
Oedipus Hardly. I desire your death, not your exile, so that I might show what a thing envy is.
Creon [625] Are you resolved not to yield or believe? (Pisteo)
Oedipus No, for you persuade me that you are unworthy of trust.
Creon No, for I see you are not sane
He that believeth not in Mark 16 says that Jesus is not worthy of trust. The lowly people "justified God" by being baptized: the Pharisees rejected the command of God by NOT being baptized. They made a conscious decision not to trust the INSTRUMENTAL MEANS Jesus had commanded.
Xen. Sym. 8.36 We could all come to one mind, I think, on the point I am trying to make, if we were to consider the question in this way: of two lads, the objects of the different types of love,
which one would a person prefer to trust (Pisteo) with his money, or his children,
or to lay under the obligation of a favour?
My own belief is that even the person whose love is founded on the loved one's physical beauty would in all these cases rather put his trust (Pisteuo) in him whose loveliness is of the spirit.
Diod. 12.15 Now at first glance a man sees nothing wise or outstanding in this law, but when it is explored deeply it is found to be justly worthy of praise.
For if the reason is sought out why he entrusted (Pisteuo) the property of orphans
to one group and the rearing of them to another, the lawgiver is seen to have shown
an unusual kind of ingenuity
"Raw" faith really has no meaning. You might believe that a floating chunk of ice can support your weight and save your live: you have no FAITH in the way it is used to mean TRUST if you refuse to step on that which you "think" might save your life.
BELIEVETH is defined as the opposite of APISTOS or he that "believeth not."
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
Apistos To express doubt that it is possible.
I. Pass., not to be trusted, and so:
1. of persons and their acts, not trusty, faithless,
by untrustworthy, groundless confidence, Th.1.120; shifty, unreliable, Pl.Lg.775d.
II. Act., mistrustful, incredulous, suspicious, Od.14.150;
b. in NT, unbelieving, 1 Ep.Cor.6.6, a
2. disobedient, disloyal, S.Fr. 627: c. gen., A.Th.876; ekhein apiston . . anarkhian polei, i.e. anarkhian ekhein apeithousan t polei, ib.1035, cf. E.IT1476.
2. Act., distrustfully, suspiciously, Th.3.83; a. tina diatheinai D.20.22.
b. treacherously
Of the numerous examples of how the word is used:
Soph. Trach. 1228
Heracles
No other man but you must ever marry
this woman who has lain with me in love;
no, you, my son, must take her for your own.
Consent! [Pietho listen to, obey)
To disrespect [Apisteo disobey]
me in small matters
destroys the greater favors you have done
he that believeth not shall be damned because that person has looked the free gift of spiritual life in the face and insulted the Grace of Jesus Christ--I think without redemption if they make a profession out of teaching the opposite of what the Bible and historic scholarship confirms.
Never trust your soul to one who is WAGED to sell you the FREE WATER OF THE WORD: Music as sorcery in the Revelation 18 often ment to slip you a "drug" while singing you a lovely song.
Did Christ in the prophets MARK instrumentalists as ANTI-Christian?
June 28 2010, 12:05 PM
It is perfectly logical to MARK and AVOID those who understood that there is no role for "music" in the qahal, synagogue, ekklesia or synagogue because of a DIRECT COMMAND, universal history of the synagogue until 1815 and minimal common reverence when Christ comes to be our ONLY teacher when the elders "teach that which has been taught."
That's the way the devil always works: Jesus marked them as "speaking on their own." It would be reasonable for those building their Serf-like support team to lie as the postmodern views defends. However, these people were not required to be Bible readers or Christ-devoted to get "credentials" when Jesus warned that doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge: that is their predestinated role.
See Isaiah 50 which defines the PROPHESIERS whom Zechariah 13 says should be executed by their parents if the continue the MARKS after the SIGNS of Messiah and the apostles are completed.
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"Believer's Baptism" preached by the Baptists is an old pagan dogma and denies that Christ died on the cross for them. That is why they don't have to be baptized in imitation of the type or "pattern capable of being imitated." A reader contends:
Can anyone find where Jesus or the 12 used the words That were given to PAUL by the RISEN Christ in Gal 1:11 -12 which is different than what Peter or the 12 preached , Gal 2:7-9 .
Gal. 1:11 But I certify you, brethren,
......that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
......but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal. 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
Gal. 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal. 1:23 But they had heard only,
......That he which persecuted us in times past
......now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal. 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
Gal. 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas,
...... and took Titus with me also.
Gal. 2:2 And I went up by revelation,
......and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
......but privately to them which were of reputation,
......lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
REMEMBER THAT PETER PREACHED TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES:
DID PETER PREACH TWO GOSPELS?
NO:
Gal. 2:7 But contrariwise,
......when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
......as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Galatians 2.7 alla tounantion idontes hoti pepisteumai to euaggelion ts akrobustias kaths Petros ts peritoms,
GALATIANS 2[7] sed e contra cum vidissent quod creditum est mihi evangelium praeputii sicut Petro circumcisionis
THESE ARE NOT TWO GOSPELS BUT TWO AREAS OF PREACHING.
Evanglum (eua- ), ii, n., = euaggelion.
I. Good news, Cic. Att. 2, 3, 1, written as Greek, euaggelia.
II. The Gospel (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Matt. 4, 23 et saep.
Euaggelion or Evangelium is mentioned only ONCE. Therefore, there is ONE GOSPEL.
That is because the ONE Gospel was commanded to be preached to ALL NATIONS
......Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all NATIONS, Ethnos: Gentile. Non-Jewish]
............baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
......Matt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things
............whatsoever I have commanded you:
............and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen
Peter preached that ONE GOSPEL to gentiles.
Notice that Paul is not speaking of TWO GOSPELS but two people sent in different directions.
Gal. 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter TO the apostleship of the circumcision, ......the same was mighty in me TOWARD the Gentiles:)
Gal. 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
......perceived the grace that was given unto me,
......they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;
......that we should GO unto the heathen, ......and they (SHOULD GO) unto the circumcision.
Gal. 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor;
......the same which I also was forward to do.
THE JERUSALEM CONFERENCE IN ACTS 15 PROVES THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE GOSPEL.
Those who began to define the Godhead as OPPOSITE to the three person (gods) of all pagans, did not include the Spirit OF Christ or the Spirit OF God as a separated being. Augustine who wrote the most warned against making dogma out of the concept. He quotes some of the views at that time.
I will expand later on the COMMUNICATION of the Holy Spirit. Jesus spoke the WORDS of God because He had the Spirit of God WITHOUT METER (so metron can be read). This fits the pattern that SPEAK is the opposite of poetry (meter) music. Speak as in rhetoric would define a hypocrite.
If the preachers or musicians speak FOR the Spirit in the morning, Scripture and all recorded evidence proves that they are being led by a lying spirit or The spirit OF lying which is NOT another person.
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Peter and Paul write a PATTERNISM for the sole role of church
August 20 2010, 11:21 AM
If you grasp the meaning of EKKLESIA or SYNAGOGUE it will not be possible for you to even hallucinate music as a performance trying to please God or attract students.
If you do not know the meaning of Ekklesia or Synagogue then it is not possible that you are a Christian. Why? Because a Disciple is a student of the Word of Christ defending CENI in the Great Commission.
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In the days of Jesus the job of the Scribes and Pharisees--doctors of the law, hypocrites as speakers, singers and instrument players was to try to silence Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of exorcists doing sacrificial music keeping you silent so the priests called "heretics" can lift you up to cut your throat. That's the end of almost all humans.
They deny that Christ the Spirit guiding Paul had even the minimal ability to find a word meaning
"play and an instrument." Psallo means to pluck a bowstring or the hair out of your head. Here are some words Christ the Spirit COULD have used if He had a Phd from ACU.
To a simple simon Greek swine trader in the marketplace, you would need a distinct word for each instrument you wanted to play. There are NO such words in the entire Bible and if you try to keep people out of the kingdom with the PSALLO word all history notes that you HAVE been plucked.
Ken, if nothing else, this thread shows that you don't need a reply to keep posting.....and posting....and posting......even if no one else could care less.
I don't need responses: since I quote the bible and all recorded information there is nothing that people can say.
For reeders of righting I have posted all of the New Wineskins forum on instrumental music: very manly, they, not afraid to dialog.
In addition I am in the process of reviewing all of these paper: you will notice that Russ' friends are not timid in telling how they took away the church house of widows. The Scribes and Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites and Christ marked as preachers, singers and instrument players are theit PATTERNISM even when God turned the Monarchy over to worship the starry host. So, when peolple promote the worship of the STARS rest assured that A spirit has informed them: we are warned about the Lying Pen of the Scribes.
People are forced to blaspheme the Spirit of Christ in all of the prophets: Christ repudiates all of the PATTERNISM people use to COMMAND people to participate in what they call instrumental worship of GET OUT. Planning to lose up to half of the owners in order to make the bait and switch falls easily within the postmodern ethics. They say "we gonna take your church house and turn it into a theater for holy entertainment 'cause we gonna save more souls." All recorded history connects religious music to sorcery as did John in Revelation 18. People can easily ignore that and the REST of the Bible because they HEAR spirits and I don't doubt it a bit. However, John identifies sorcerers with dogs (catamites) for whom the lake of fire was created.
1. David Faust from the NACC has convinced a few dupes:
A . In the Old Testament the Lord didn't merely "permit" the use of musical instruments as aids to worship.
He commanded their use.
B. In the old Testament the Lord didn't merely "permit' the use of musical instruments as aids to worship.
He blessed their use.
One example 300 years after the last plague stopping exorcism is THEIR patternism: their patternists had been ABANDONED to worship the starry host (at the temple) and there was NO REDEMPTION.
2. However, They say the LORD SAID when Christ in the prophets said the LORD HAS NOT SAID.
They follow the Lying Pen of the Scribes and blaspheme CENI.
Jer. 8:7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times;
and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming;
but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are WISE,
and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.
Who are the WISE Jesus said the Father HIDES HIMSELF?
WISE IS: Sophos A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896
Sophis-teia , h(, A. sophistry, D.S.12.53, Plu.2.78f, D.L.2.113, etc.; opp. sophia, Ph.1.10; s. mantik, of Balaam
Sophis-tęs , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept panu thaumaston legeis s (lying wonderful speaker)
with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln (Melody in a holy place) That would get the Levite PATTERNISTS executed.
II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money,
That is CORRUPTING THE WORD: selling learning at retail. How can they sell the FREE Word (Isa 55) when Christ outlawed speaking THEIR OWN WORDS (Isa 58)?: Paul said of the Corinthians that "fools love to be fooled."
The Lying Pen of the Scribes do not speak to the Godly people
Mendax II. Transf., of inanim, and abstr. things, lying, false, deceptive; feigned, fictitious, counterfeit, not real, etc. a liar should have a good memory,
Recorded history ranks "poetry and music" with lying: outlawed by the command to SPEAK.
Scrba , ae, m. scribo, I. a public or official writer, a clerk, secretary, scribe (whereas librarius or scriba librarius denotes a private secretary or amanuensis;
2. (Eccl. Lat.) A doctor of the Jewish law, one whose duty it was to guard and expound the sacred text, Vulg. 2 Reg. 8, 17; id. Matt. 23, 2 et saep.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers!
for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
ye entered not in yourselves,
and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Music from mystery MEANS to "make the lambs dumb before the slaugher." It certainly works, doesn't it? ::clappingoverhead::
Jesus called the Scribes (doctors) and Pharisees, Hypocrites: in the Ezekiel 33 version Christ listed slick preachers, singers and instrument players.
How can they get away repeating the Lying Pen of the Scribes? In the words of Paul "Fools love to be fooled: the more they pay the better the fooled."
3. Claiming that God has said, When God has NOT said Is defined by Christ as blasphemy.
Paul commanded "that which is written for our learning" in Romans 15. Therefore we CAN be infallible and can all "speak the same things" by speaking that which is written.
People LIMIT Jesus' CENI by claiming that they have the right to make a law where Jesus has not made a law and you are bound to obey that law or cast yourself out of your synagogue.
Because they have VIOLATED the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word, and have composed their own songs and sermons they are simply blind that God reserves the right to be the Teacher and our role is to be a Disciple: a disciple of Christ old enough to apply to Him for entrance should be old enough that disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists: the laded burden and rest words in fact specifically makes a law to regulate those who are not capable of reverence and Godly fear.
Christ in the Prophets has made it absolute that to use your own imagination to replace the clear Word of God is blasphemy--despising the Word of God and thinking your's is superior.
Paul commanded "that which is written for our learning" in Romans 15. Therefore we CAN be infallible and can all "speak the same things" by speaking that which is written.
People LIMIT Jesus' CENI by claiming that they have the right to make a law where Jesus has not made a law and you are bound to obey that law or cast yourself out of your synagogue.
Because they have VIOLATED the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word, and have composed their own songs and sermons they are simply blind that God reserves the right to be the Teacher and our role is to be a Disciple: a disciple of Christ old enough to apply to Him for entrance should be old enough to know that disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists: the laded burden and rest words in fact specifically makes a law to regulate those who are not capable of reverence and Godly fear.
Christ in the Prophets has made it absolute that to use your own imagination to replace the clear Word of God is blasphemy--despising the Word of God and thinking yours is superior.
This message has been edited by Ken.Sublett from IP address 72.171.0.145 on Jan 6, 2011 8:40 PM
PATTERNISM: Stand up to READ the Word as it has been delivered and sit dow for discussion.
January 8 2011, 4:07 PM
In another forum on the word INFALLIBLE, the problem with Missionaries in strange places seems to justify violating the direct command to READ the word and the direct command against Private interpretation of further expounding. It is a fact that with the Bible many groups have read themselves into the truth without someone to ENHANCE the Word of God in song and sermon.
The only way to be INFALLIBLE is that everyone SPEAK THE SAME THINGS which means SPEAK THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN (Rom 15 and the NOT-musical passages.)
Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak,
......and not to please ourselves.
Areskos or Placeo outlaws rhetoric, singing, acting or playing instruments.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
Edification here means ONLY education: no human can supply a jot or tittle..
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
This is the only resource both inclusive and exclusive.
......that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: ......and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
No: all you are authorized to do is to READ it and let the words stand. The NAME of Father, Son, and Spirit (thought, breath, word) is Jesus Christ.
The NAME of the another COMFORTER (parakltos)
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (parakltos)
......that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: [size=12pt][color=red]I[/color][/size] will come to you
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
......we have an advocate (parakltos) with the Father,
......Jesus Christ the righteous:
The only person guided by The Holy Spirit is guided by Christ the Spirit who claimed that "My words are Spirit and Life." The Spirit OF Christ is the Mind of Christ (1 Cor 2). The Spirit of Christ rides along with the Words of Christ.
In Romans 15 where SELF-pleasure outlaws all of the performing arts, and commands using "one mind and one mouth" to deliver "that which is written." Paul calls that "Scripture." If you are in the jungle you MUST have a valid translation: you cannot invent doctrine.
Eph. 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him,
......and have been taught by him, ......as the truth is in Jesus: [color=blue] that's the Spirit OF truth[/color]
Col. 2:7 Rooted and built up in him,
......and stablished in the faith,
......as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
2Th. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
......and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, ......whether by word, or our epistle.
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to (public) reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
......that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers,
......specially they of the circumcision
IF YOU ARE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THOSE WHO TEACH ERROR THEN RE-READ THE BLASPHEMY THREAD
Convince Elegkho cross-examine, question, disgrace, put to shame, muthon e. treat a speech with contempt, Il.9.522; e. tina put one to shame, Od. 21.424
2. test, bring to the proof, bring convincing proof, refute, confute, bring convincing proof, b. put right, correct, prove by a reductio ad impossibile, 5. get the better of,
6. expose, tina lrounta Pl.Tht.171d, cf. X.Mem.1.7.2, M.Ant.1.17; betray a weakness, Democr.222. Plat. Theaet. 171d Xen. Mem. 1.7.2
The word CONVINCE does not mean to sermonize and counsel endlessly but to REFUTE HIM and DISQUALIFY him. Claiming to fellowship all kinds of error is really arrogance.
In the Qahal or Synagogue or Ekklesia words which define the ASSEMBLY no one was permitted to make up the subject material to be presented: that came from a higher authority. If anyone tries to sing with our without instruments in either they would be hurt really bad. Rhetoricians occassionaly got loose in the Greek ekklesia to present their own veiws but were all frepudiated.
The Campbells defined:
Church is A School of Christ (that's what disciples of Christ do--ONLY)
Worship is reading and musing the Word: (that's what diciples of Christ do)
The pattern for the Church in the Wilderness and exampled by Jesus was:
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
In the words of Paul, "fools love to be fooled." That is why they jump for joy at the chance to hand over their children's health care money to people with NO ROLE and NO DOLE who are as absurd as one who reads "He flew from the bear" as AUTHORITY that God commands them to FLY in a rocket. We can be just as DOGMATICALLY certain that people who pick verses like picking fleas off a dog are terminally ignorant or terminally evil.
Why we know that NO ONE ever sang any Biblical text including the Psalms.
Modern exegetes do not agree in this matter. For a time many would admit no metre at all in the Psalms. Davison (Hast., "Dict. of the Bible", s. v.) writes: "
.....though metre is NOT discernible in the Psalms,
.....it does not follow that rhythm is excluded".
This rhythm, however, "defies analysis and systematization". Driver ("Introd. to Lit. of O. T.", New York, 1892, 339) admits in Hebrew poetry
..... "no metre in the strict sense of the term".
..... Exegetes who find metre in the Psalms are of four schools,
..... according as they explain Hebrew metre by quantity, by the number of syllables,
.....by accent, or by both quantity and accent. (from The Catholic Encyclopedia)
ONLY THE PSALMS WERE CHANTED:
Up to the Edict of Milan (AD 313), the psalms were interspersed with lessons.
By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized.The distinction between these types later faded.
A Cantor is a Chanter: The Jews cantillated which is Paul's SPEAK. Both singing AND melody (or grace) was IN THE HEART to specificially exclude the external meaning of Psallo which is a warfare word.
You could not sing TUNEFULLY nor could you accompany ANY of "that which is written for our LEARNING" (Rom 15 which defines the assembly inclusively and exclusively.)
In the 16th century, Protestant churches encouraged congregational psalm singing by adopting metrical versions in the vernacular. An important early translation was Clčment Marot's, the basis of the Calvinist psalter. A repertory of tunes came into being; these were set in a simple chordal style in collections which included Loys Bourgeois's complete psalter (1563), widely recognized as a standard version. Some later settings were more contrapuntal; Le Jeune and others dropped the tunes and composed what amounted to free motets.
So, why don't we lock up people who are willing to steal the church house of widows so they and satisfy the lust of the eyes and ears and LIE about God COMMANDING them to do it?
As I have said, Christ in Jeremiah 23 says that those who speak out of their own imagination rather than the Word of God are guilty of blasphemy.
The SUBMISSIVE never PLAY harps in heaven (up in the air)
January 12 2011, 1:13 PM
The Elders FIRED God and demanded a human king: the purpose was to silence God who had in fact abandoned them to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
The HARPS were connected to the curse of the sacrificial system as they worshipped the STARRY HOST in the not-commanded temple during burnt offerings which God DID NOT COMMAND.
The BEASTS are ZOON or ZOE: Sophia and Zoe connect to Eve in revelation: the truth being hidden in parables from the clergy from the foundation of the world. Sophia is the Mother Goddess of the prophesied end time religion. Sophia-zoe are documented in the classics as the promoting the LAWS (nomos) with music and this is the mark of pederasty (the dogs who burn with the sorcerers).
zon , to/, A. living being, animal, z. ponron, of women, contemptuously, be free from thes animals, BEGGARS Plat. Tim. 77b
Plat. Tim. 77b in fact, which partakes of life may justly and with perfect truth be termed a living creature. Certainly that creature which we are now describing partakes of the third kind of soul, which is seated, as we affirm, between the midriff and the navel,
.....and which shares not at all in opinion and reasoning and mind (spirit)
..... but in sensation, pleasant and painful, together with desires
They are in opposition to the LOGOS which is the religion of the Written Word of the Living Word. Zoe is identified in the ancient documents as the "Beast and Female instructing principle."
Both the ELDERS and BEAST fall down and CANNOT play harps. Those who are still skipping, singing, clapping and playing with or without instruments are the LOST. Only those who COLLAPSE before a Holy God have any hope.
The "elders and beasts" cannot READ the Word which is FIGURATIVE: any elder or Levite who went before a Holy God in the temple would be EXECUTED.
HOLDING THE HARPS OF GOD IS NOT PLAYING THE HARPS OF DAVID.
Holding the harp OF GOD means to aprehened the Word of God.
1907. epecho, ep-ekh´-o; from 1909 and 2192; to hold upon, i.e. (by implication) to retain; (by extension) to detain; (with implication, of 3563) to pay attention to: -- give (take) heed unto, hold forth, mark, stay.
Echo STOP, Keep balanced, keep on guard 9. possess mentally, understand, taming, do you understand? attend! listen! know of a thing, damazo subdue, conquer, be subject to one another. Subdue epithumia passion, longing after, sexual appetite,.
hippn dmsin Il.17.476; tekhnn Hes.Th.770; pant' ekheis logon A. Ag.582, cf. E.Alc.51; ekhete to pragma S.Ph.789; ekheis ti; do you understand? Ar.Nu.733: imper.ekhe attend! listen!
e. phresi keep in one's mind, it kept still, 2. hold fast,
Col. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility
and worshipping of angels,
intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col. 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands
having nourishment ministered, and knit together,
increaseth with the increase of God.
While Christ said that God DID NOT command sacrifices.
Jamison-Fausett-Brown Revelation 8 notes that:
"In the Jewish temple (court), musical instruments and singing resounded during the whole time of the offering of the sacrifices, which formed the first part of the service.
They also played during the offering of Jesus on the Cross: the Levites MOCKED Him. We now offer the fruit of the lips and our PRAISE is our incense. Woe to those who are CONTINUING to sacrifice Jesus: they even HIRE people to act as LEVITES, an old infant burning cult from Egypt. Jacob warned: "Do NOT attend the assemblies of the tribe of Levi."
But at the offering of incense, solemn silence was kept ("My soul waiteth upon God," Ps 62:1; "is silent," Margin; Ps 65:1, Margin), the people praying secretly all the time. The half-hour stillness implies, too, the earnest adoring expectation with which the blessed spirits and the angels await the succeeding unfolding of God's judgments. A short space is implied; for even an hour is so used (Re 17:12 18:10,19).
THOSE STILL STANDING AND PLAYING OR DEFENDING THE MUSICAL MOCKERS PLEASE MARCH OVER TO THE LAKE OF FIRE: That's where Christ in Isaiah 30 PREDESTINATED the false preachers, singers and instrument player. They serve under ZOE, the BEAST as the female teaching principle. MARKS are given as MARKS.
ALL OF THOSE IMPOSING INSTRUMENTS REST ON THE LEVITES MAKING NOISE WHILE BURNING GOATS. Rick Atchley RESTS their souls on this patternism.
The first two reasons assert that under the Old Testament, God did not just allow instrumental music, He commanded and blessed it. Rick offered the following passages for these contentions: 2 Chronicles 5:13-14; 7:6; 29:25-26; Psalm 33:1- 3; 92:1-3; 150:1-6.
Never mind that the godly tribes were quarantined. No singer or player went INTO or NEAR a holy thing or place on the penalty of death. Some of these patterns are separated from the last by up to 300 years.
CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS WARNED ABOUT THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.
Stand in the gate of the Lords house [courts], and proclaim there this word,
......and say, Hear the word of the Lord, all ye of Judah,
......that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord. Jeremiah 7:2
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,
......Amend your ways and your doings,
......and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Jeremiah 7:3
Trust ye not in lying words, saying,
......The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord,
......The temple of the Lord, are these. Jeremiah 7:4
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
......LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
......THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.
For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them ......in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
......concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
THE PROPHECIES BY CHRIST WERE FULFILLED BY JESUS CHRIST: JESUS AND PETER MAKES THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS THE ONLY TRUTH.
John 6:44 No man can come to me,
......except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
......and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS ......And they shall be all taught of God.
......Every man therefore that hath heard,
......and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words
......which were spoken before by the HOLY PROPHETS ......and of the commandment of us the APOSTLES of the Lord and Saviour:
By using the PATTERNISM based on ignorance of the Word of Christ in the prophets, they have FITTED you out to be cast alive in the Lake of Fire.
IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND NOT LYING SCRIBES whom He called hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33.
......1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently,
............who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
......1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
........................the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
............and the glory that should follow.
CHRIST SPOKE ONLY THROUGH THE PROPHETS TO CONDEMN THE PATTERNISM OF THE MUSICAL IDOLATERS.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
......spake in time past unto the fathers BY THE PROPHETS
God did NOT speak through the lying pen of the Scribes who recorded the Monarchy which God had NOT commanded.
Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us BY HIS SON ......whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
......by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb. 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
......and the express image of his person,
......and upholding all things by the WORD of his power,
......when he had by himself purged our sins,
......sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
THOSE WHO DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD BY QUOTING THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES (hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players) are defined by the Spirit:
Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
......Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you:
......they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, ......and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me,
......The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace;
......and they say unto every one that walketh
......after the imagination of his own heart, ......No evil shall come upon you.
Despise tthe Word of God of God and using your own words is:
Blasphm-e , pf. A. beblasphmka D.18.10:speak profanely of sacred things, eis theous Pl.R.381e; offer rash prayers,
1. When "A" spirit tells you that God COMMANDED the burning of the goats at which the MILITARY instrumentalists made a great noise means that He COMMANDED the preacher to impose instruments after already discording the flock and PROMISING that "he" would never allow instruments on Sunday.
2. ALL of Scripture proves that God HATH NOT SAID.
3. They are being led by a "lying spirit" and are called BLASPHEMERS. There is no redemption as there was no redemption after the musical idolatry at Moung Sinai.
4. All who defend and promote blasphemers are blasphemers.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS REPUDIATING THE SCRIBES.
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
......the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
......when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
......and the glory that should follow.
As far as I can determine all of the musical blasphemers trust in the "lying pen of the Scribes" and are ignorant of the Spirit ONLY in the writing prophets. If you follow a blind guide you will fall into a ditch (pit, hell) just as surely as the blind guide. If you have AFFIRMED that God approves of instrumentsl music and you FELLOWSHIP and endorse those who follow the lying pen of the Scribes, you too can be a blasphemer without redemption.
Ken, reading your posts and seeing the hatred in your hearts, is so hard for me. Here you spend all this time on here ripping these guys and you don't realize that Satan is working through you. It is guys like you that are tearing apart the church. I'll be praying for you....you need Jesus, my man.
As I noted, those who lie, cheat, discord and try to steal the church house of widows (Scribes, Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites and Christ named preachers, singers and instrument players) MAY not be able to resist using the patternism of the Monarchy: the elders fired God and demanded a "senior pastor." God understood that they wanted to worship like the nations. After all, because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God had ABANDONED the Civil-Military-Clergy tribe of Levi (cursed by Jacob Gen 49) to the WORSHIP of the Starry host.
No preacher will tell you the truth about the fatal fork in the road at Mount Sinai. Why is it that THEY will not tell you the truth and then DEMAND that you pay them a wage: perhaps in the words of Paul "fools love to be fooled.?"
On the other hand, ONLY Christ in the prophets spoke for the spiritual people who attended qahal, synagogue or church of Christ in the wilderness: vocal or instrumental rejoicing was excluded. God left that as a MARK of those who would follow the MONARCHY PATTERNISM.
Because they use the legalistic pattern of those Christ DENOUNCED; and perhaps are UNABLE to read and preach from the commanded Prophets and Apostles, they DESPISE Christ in the Prophets.
Christ throughout the prophets identifies those who speak out of their OWN IMAGINATION or a presumed SILENCE by God as BLASPHEMERS. Now, God hates and destroys those (Amos, Isaiah) who bring instruments into their holy places and sentences them to the Lake of Fire. God also HATES those who sow discord among brethren.
It is LOGICAL and predestinated that those who impose instruments and songs and sermons out of their own imagination, when the Spirit denies them a ROLE or a DOLE, would accuse those who quote the Free Water of the Word (Isaiah 55) and OUTLAWING seeking your own pleasure SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS as dispensing HATE. That happens when you just QUOTE from Christ in the prophets whom modern pulpiteers will NOT use as dommanded. Rather, they build their foundation upon the LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.
Jesus MARKED Judas with the SOP word which is the root of the PSALLO word: that mark fulfilled prophecy that Judas the "familiar friend" would not triumph over Him making "vocal and instrumental music." He CAST OUT the musical minstrels trying to assist Him "like ejecting dung." He consigned the Pipers trying to induce singing and dancing to the MARKETPLACE. In Revelation speaking through John He consigned the sorcerers (speakers, singers, instrument players to be cast alive into the LAKE OF FIRE. In Isaiah 30 Christ said that HELL WAS PREPARED for His enemies: the marks in sight and sound of Him BEATING His enemies was wind, string and percussion instruments. These are the same instruments Christ in Isaiah and Ezekiel said that Lucifer (zoe) the singing and harp playing prostitute brought with him/her/it when "cast as profane" out of heaven. The word also meaning "play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute and prostitute." That is the PRAISE word used by the king and commanders of the Army.
Time is short: God commands that we COME OUT OF THE WORLD and not endorse them. God HIDES Himself from the WORLD and the WISE or sophists meaning speakers, singers, instrument players or any skill intending to AID God.
I would never lie to you, steal your church house, or SERMONIZE and ask for PAY: that is outlawed by commands, examples and inferences.
Some sins cannot be repented of: those based on human pride. However, it is NOT hate to warn people that both liberal and conservative preachers lie about the UNLAWFUL and UNGODLY king, kingdom, temple, sacrificial system and the accompanying MIlitary Band making loud noise when Christ in the prophets calls them LIARS.
Campbell was reluctant to respond to the suggestion of Mr. G. that instruments be added to the church assembly. Otherwise, it was not within the realm of possibility that any spiritual and Bible literate person would impose music into the solemn assembly which had the ONLY role to PREACH the Word of Christ by READING it and discussing it. Not even the Disciples believed it. None of them believed in it. It was always ONE dominant person: when the offended were driven out those who opposed slowly grew to enjoy it because it appealed to the "lust of the eyes and ears" says Albert Barnes.
What prompted Alexander Campbell to make his comments. John Rogers asked for a response to Mr. G.
WHAT MR. G SAID DEFENDING INSTRUMENTS is what the Catholics claimed: In fact, the Christians fueled by James O'Kelly were rooted in the Methodists-Church of England-High Church view of a "rubber authority."
The instrumentalists must subscribe to the views of those who sowed discord. In a letter Mr. G suggests the addition of instruments:
"INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is entirely in harmony with the most grateful, solemn and happy feelings of which the human heart is susceptible. Indeed, sacred music upon an instrument, tends, in a very considerable degree, to excite solemn and holy emotions; [Sorcery says John] and we cannot forbear to say, that could the music of our churches be improved--could it be accompanied with an instrument,
......it would soothe and calm the feelings of the auditors;
......it would improve the order of the house;
......it would call into lively action the latent religious emotions of the heart,
......and add very much to the enjoyment on such occasions.
"Music exerts a mysterious charm upon man--it takes captive the citadel of life--carries him out of himself, and leads him where it will.
That is exactly the purpose driving all pagan music: but males didn't go there unless "drunk, perverted or just having fun" says history.
......The shrill fife and the rattling drum,
......inspire the soldier just about to enter into battle,
......with a zeal and daring which no hardship can overcome,
......and no danger intimidate,
......and causes him to rush headlong into the thickest of the combat, ......regardless of consequences.
If martial music thus inspires the worshipers of Mars, will sacred music do less for the humble followers of the meek and lowly Jesus--the worshipers of the true and living God? No!
"It will not. It will inspire them, too, with zeal and courage, and impel them on to resist--not flesh and blood with instruments of death, but principalities and powers--spiritual wickedness in high places, with the armor of God and the sword of the Spirit.
That's true music MEANS "to make the lambs DUMB before the slaughter." NOT a good set up for being a SCHOOL OF THE WORD.
In fact Paul said that we do not WRESTLE (psallo) against these powers with carnal weapons or lifeless instruments. Mr. G. simply does not know and does not CARE that Paul repudiated him.
Paul ALWAYS outlaws music sourced from Lucifer the harp-playing prostitute.
Eph. 6:12 For we WRESTLE not against flesh and blood,
......but against principalities, against powers,
......against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
......against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fear, II. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.); leap, bound, quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.). spring upon ephallomai, leap, bound E.El.435
Paul was NOT SILENT: people are just unable to read BLACK text on [color=brown]BROWN paper. That is Christ's final judgment.
THEN, Paul defines the weapons of the SPIRIT.
Eph. 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
t......hat ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Mr. G. is PROMOTING exactly the "laded burden" Jesus died to remove meaning "songs which create spiritual anxiety through religious rituals." Mr. G. and all music promoters KNOW that they are doing to you exactly what martial music does to soldiers: drive them mad and suicidal.
You will notice that neither Mr. G. offered or cared to appeal to the Word of God. Mr. G. Gives the same reason as the Catholics for adding instruments: it was common to ALL PAGAN CULTS.
"The priests of the pagan temples had been paid from the purse of the Empire, but now Caesar was a Christian and the priests of Mars and Venus [Lucifer, Zoe]hastened to their baptisms.
For the first time in the history of the church, salaries were paid to Christians workers. Tradition has it that Constantine's mother was the first to give the money for the erection of a church building...
All this (meetings in homes) was over now.
......The rags of persecution gave way to softer garments,
......and the church began to enjoy the feel of silk upon its flesh.
Thus the Pergamos stage of church history came into being, the church was married to the world." (Barnhouse, D.G., Revelation, Zondervan, p. 52).
"The religious frenzy seems to afford a kind of divine inspiration and to be very like that of the Soothsayer..
"For although it has been well said that human beings then act most like the gods when they are doing good to others,
yet one might better say, when they are happy; and such happiness consists of rejoicing, celebrating festivals, pursuing philosophy, and engaging in music;
for, if music is perverted when musicians turn their art to sensual delights at symposiums and in orchestric and scenic performances and the like, we should not lay the blame upon music itself, but should rather examine the nature of our system of education, since this is based on music.
The Greeks trained warriors in music and dance: however only the lowest classes PERFORMED music and then only to those who could not understand much speech.
Assertion: He writes in "The Lunenburg Letter" of 1837 after a lady criticise him for being too liberal in reference to Christians in church bodies that did not practice immersion: "There is no occasion, then for making immersion, on a profession of the faith, absolutely essential to a Christian---though it may be greatly essential to his sanctification and comfort.
Those who are perhaps predistined to sow discord claim that the Church of Christ became a SECTARIAN split from the Christian Church. In fact the Christian church was part of the Disciples. The handshake in 1832 is used as PROOF that the Churches of Christ UNITED or "came over to the Christian churches. However, the Stoneite hand shakers did not practice baptism and denied the ATONEMENT.
the lady from Lunenburg to write the editor of the Harbinger is in an article entitled "Letters to England-No. 1," which was published in the June, 1837,
None of the false teachers have never read the Lunenburg correspondence. To Campbell a "c"hristian was one who lived according to Christian principles. We speak of a "c"hristian nation. However, a "C"hristian is ONLY one who has obeyed the gospel.
I. With all despatch, then, I hasten to show that I have neither conceded nor surrendered any thing for which I ever contended; but that on the contrary, the opinion now expressed, whether true or false, is one that I have always avowed.
(Footnote in original reads: It is with us as old as baptism for the remission of sins,
and this is at least as old as the "Christian Baptist." Read the first two numbers of that work.)
1. Let me ask, in the first place, what could mean all that we have written upon the union of Christians on apostolic grounds,
had we taught that all Christians in the world
were already united in our own community?
2. And in the second place, why should we so often have quoted and applied to apostate Christendom what the Spirit saith to saints in
Babylon--"Come out of her, my people, that you partake not of her sins,
and that you receive not of her plagues"--
had we imagined that the Lord had no people beyond the pale of our communion!
3. But let him that yet doubts, read the following passages from the Christian Baptist, April, 1825:--
"I have no idea of seeing, nor wish to see, the sects unite in one grand army.
This would be dangerous to our liberties and laws. For this the Saviour did not pray.
It is only the disciples dispersed among them
that reason and benevolence would call out of them,
"&c. &c. This looks very like our present opinion of Christians among the sects!!!
2d ed. Bethany, p. 85.
4. Again, speaking of purity of speech in order to the union of Christians, we say,
"None of you [Christians] have ever yet attempted to show
how Christians can be united on your principles.
You have often showed how they may be divided, and how each party may hold its own,
but while you pray for the visible unity of the Disciples,
and advocate their visible disunity, we cannot understand you."
March, 1837, vol. 4.
Of those who refuse to preach baptism because the WILL be baptized Christians among the sects--He was one once but he CAME OUT OF BABYLON.
10. But in the last place in the first Extra on Baptism for Remission of Sins, we exclude from the pale of Christianity of the Pedobaptists,
none but such of them as "wilfully neglect this salvation,
and who, having the opportunity to be immersed for the remission of sins,
wilfully neglect or refuse"--"of such," indeed,
but of none others, we say, "We have as little hope for them
as they have for all who refuse salvation on their own terms of the gospel."
1st Extra, 1st ed. p. 53.
1. For those who refused to preach and practice BECAUSE there MIGHT be Christians within the sects, was to him an unforgiveable sin.
2. In 1837 Campbell--as he always did--denied that the Churches of Christ were part of the Christian Churches.
3. Campbell believed that there were Christians within the Christian church sect although in the 1832 the Stoneites did not. All of the efforts to confiscate churches of Christ in written form DENY that baptism is FOR or in order to the remission of sins.
4. If there were baptized believers, he told them to COME OUT OF BABYLON.
VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE DISCIPLES / CHRISTIAN CHURCHES REJECTED INSTRUMENTS ON THE BASIS OF NO BIBLICAL AUTHORITY BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT DESTROYED THE SPIRITUAL (MENTAL) ATMOSPHERE DEMANDED TO WORSHIP GOD: YOU WORSHIP WHATEVER YOU GIVE YOUR ATTENDANCE TO.
THE ADDITION OF INSTRUMENTS FORCED THE OWNERS TO FLEE BABYLON AND GRADUALY CONDITIONED THOSE WHO REJECTED INSTRUMENTS TO ENJOY THE LUST OF THE EYE AND THE LUST OF THE EAR (BARNES)
IF YOU ARE GIVING YOUR ATTENDANCE TO WORSHIP TEAMS YOU CANNOT AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF CENTERING THE SPIRIT ON CHRIST AND HIS WORD.
IT'S JUST A KNOWN PHYSICAL LIMITATION.
The ROLE of the assembly established in the wilderness is:
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to (the public)reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy,
with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Tim. 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine;
continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself,
and them that hear thee.
Damnation for PRETENSE is speaking, singing, playing: any hypocritic art.
January 22 2011, 5:21 PM
One of the passages quoted by Luther in connection with the synagogue in Romans 15 which with all recorded history denounces music which replaces the Word is Micah which is the VOICE of the VICTIM where music derived from mystery means to "silence the voice of the victim."
Micah 2:1 WOE to them that [b]devise iniquity,[/b]
.....and work evil upon their beds when the morning is light,
.....they practise it, [b]because it is in the power of their hand[/b].
Micah 2:2 And they [b]covet fields,[/b] and take them by [b]violence[/b];
.....and houses, and take them away:
.....so they oppress a man and his house,
.....[b]even a man and his heritage[/b].
Mic. 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic. 3:11 The [b]heads thereof judge for reward,[/b]
.....and the [b]priests thereof teach for hire,[/b]
H4242 mekh-eer' From an unused root meaning to buy; price, payment, wages:gain, hire, price, sold, worth.
and the [b]prophets thereof divine for money[/b]:
H7081 qesem keh'-sem From H7080 ; a lot; also [b]divination[/b] (including its fee), oracle:(reward of) divination, divine sentence, [b]witchcraft[/b].
Both divination and witchcraft includes the HYPOCRITES making pretence.
.....yet will they lean upon the LORD,
.....and say, Is not the LORD among us?
.....none evil can come upon us.
Mic. 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field,
.....and Jerusalem shall become heaps,
..... and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
Jesus pronounced woes upon the Scribes and Pharisees: hypocrites includes preachers, singers and instrument players.
Matt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
.....for ye devour widows houses,
.....and for a pretence make long prayer:
.....therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
I finally saw how the words were used for my morning shock. You are not bound to read it.
Wouldn't it be wonderful that when you finally read Jesus pronouncement of DAMNATION on the hypocrites, which Christ pointed to preachers, singers and instrument players, that by reading the text we discover that the HYPOCRITES (only points to performers), the PRETENCE means:
Enter into a house, entry of the chorus, actors coming on the stage to perform the HYPOCRITIC arts and Crafts Paul excluded
Jesus is not speaking of HYPOCRITES making literal PRAYERS: They call out to make themselves famous, celebrate, celebrate with Abaddon's harp, sing as a minstrel, celebrate in song.
Jesus says they are doomed to DAMNATION. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for them and the marks in sight and sound will be a sudden invasion of music. John called them sorcerers and consigned them to the Lake of Fire. I will post more and link to a page so you can read for yourself.
History refutes lie that Churches of Christ sowed discord
January 23 2011, 12:25 PM
Again, really? What does history have to do with anything if what we are about is reading Scripture? Why don't we try to apply Scripture correctly rather than Luther's opinions?
History is important to refute and repudiate those who blame Alexander Campbell and others for SOWING DISCORD by rejecting instruments in the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness: Chirst ordained the Holy convocation which was followed when the GENERAL POPULATION was assembled ONLY to hear the Word of God. Division happened primarily in the Disciples / Christian Churches.
The Campbells agreed with Christ:
Church is A School of Christ. Peter affirmed that by pointing to the prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth. That is the COMMANDED resources.
Worship is Reading and Musing The Word of God.
That is what Paul commanded:
SPEAK (excludes poetry or music) "That which is written for our learning" using one mind and one mouth. The one mouth points to the human "glossa" which EXCLUDES the glossa or mouthpieces of Judas' wind instrument.
Singing AND making melody (Grace) is IN THE HEART..
MORE ON LUTHER DEFINING ROMANS WITHOUT A TICK TO HIS "VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL."
55. It is plainly evident who have abolished divine service and still daily SUPPRESS it.
They are none but that hopeless rabble, the Pope and his blockheads the bishops and priests, monks and nuns,
whose great boast is of their divine services;
who delight to be called the spiritual class and,
by their juggling, grasp the advantages and honors of the world and live in riotousness.
Yet they pretend to help others to heaven with their foolish works and no mention of the Gospel.
Indeed, they persecute and condemn the Gospel,
[color=red]giving Peter just occasion to term them children of condemnation.[/color]
56. Note, Paul says divine service must be rendered with "one MIND" and with "one MOUTH."
We render divine service when we are harmonious,
and when we recognize our common equality and our common blessings in Christ;
when NONE exalts himself above another nor assumes special advantages.
Do you ask how it is we are equal, I reply: All outside of Christ are equally condemned. One needs Christ as much as another.When converted, all receive the same baptism and sacrament, the same faith, the same Christ and Spirit, the same Gospel--in a word, the same God.
Here in this wilderness the heavenly bread is impartially distributed.
Then how can it possibly be right for one to EXALT himself over his fellow spiritually,
one priest above the other? What can he have that surpasses Christ?
And each has the same Christ, and Christ receives each one unreservedly.
Luther and all disciples of Christ understand that all of the epistles CONDEMN the use of music which is a device of those "seing godliness as financial gain" or occupation.
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;
All musicians and rhetoricians are equated to parasites.
Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.
gamęliôi lechei [marriage couch-bed] hędonais, playing in the wind, exult over, treat haughtily or contemptuously, made a mock of, tinos sumphorais, III. use or abuse at pleasure Paison paizô [pais]
4. to play (on an instrument), Hhymn. II. to sport, play, jest, joke, Hdt., Xen., etc.; p. pros tina to make sport of one, mock him,
Then, said Eryximachus, as you are all agreed that drinking is to be voluntary, and that there is to be no compulsion,
I move, in the next place, that the flute-girl, who has just made her appearance,
be told to go away and play to herself, or,
if she likes, to the women who are within.
To-day let us have conversation instead;
and, if you will allow me, I will tell you what sort of conversation.
Jesus CAST OUT the flute girls and minstrels like dung to speak HIS Word.
tęn...aulętrida. It was the fashion at convivia to provide pipers, dancers,
So not even the vile Symposium of the Crooked Generation permitted wine and the flute-girl when there was something to be discussed.
A Levite "musician" who went NEAR any holy thing or IN a holy place was to be EXECUTED: a terminal offense just as was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
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Tom Burgess, the instrumentalists and liberals will be in FELLOWSHIP at the Pepperdine lecturship OF and BY and FOR theologians or "doctors of the law" Jesus said who take away the key to knowledge. You can bettcha that there will be no ANTI-instrumentalists there
Hom. Od. 1.125 And a carver lifted up and placed before them platters of all manner of meats, and set by them golden goblets, while a herald ever walked to and fro pouring them wine. Then in came the proud wooers, and thereafter [145] sat them down in rows on chairs and high seats. Heralds poured water over their hands, and maid-servants heaped by them bread in baskets, and youths filled the bowls brim full of drink; and they put forth their hands to the good cheer lying ready before them.
[150] Now after the wooers had put from them the desire of food and drink,
.....their hearts turned to other things, to song and to dance;
.....for these things are the crown of a feast.
And a herald put the beautiful lyre in the hands of Phemius, who sang perforce among the wooers; [155] and he struck the chords in prelude to his sweet lay.
But Telemachus spoke to flashing-eyed Athena, holding his head close, that the others might not hear: Dear stranger, wilt thou be wroth with me for the word that I shall say?
.....These men care for things like these, the lyre and song,
.....160] full easily, seeing that without atonement they devour the livelihood of another,
.....of a man whose white bones, it may be, rot in the rain as they lie upon the mainland,
.....or the wave rolls them in the sea
This is what Jesus said of the Scribes and Pharisees he called hypocrites by pointing to Christ in Ezekiel 33 marking entertainment preachers, singers and instrument players.
Tom thinks he finds a Psallo type word mening to play the harp. However, the word is psallein. This is in the context of a MUSICIAN so if he plucks a harp then he plucks a harp. However, a kitharista is a harp player: all instruments use compound words to indicateboth pluck or strike AND the name of an instrument.
toi ho phormizn aneballeto kalon aeidein.
anaball , B. more freq. in Med., strike up, begin to play or sing (cf. anabol 11), anaballeto kalon aeidein Od.1.155, 8.266, Theoc.6.20: abs., anabaleo Pi.N.7.77; anabalou Ar.Pax1269: c. acc., eukhn a. t Erti Philostr.Im.1.29.
The PSALLO means ONLY to smite or strike something: this is similar to the word used when Jesus "cast out the musical minstrels like dung" from His healing presence.
Pind. N. 7 Under the yoke of destiny, different men are held by different restraints. But it is by your favor that, even so, Sogenes the son of Thearion, distinguished by his excellence, is celebrated in song as glorious among pentathletes. For he lives in a city that loves music, the city of the Aeacidae with their clashing spears; [10] and they very much want to foster a spirit familiar with contests. If someone is successful in his deeds, he casts a cause for sweet thoughts into the streams of the Muses. For those great acts of prowess dwell in deep darkness, if they lack songs, and we know of only one way to hold a mirror up to fine deeds: [15] if, by the grace of Mnemosyne with her splendid headdress, one finds a recompense for toils in glorious song. Skillful men know the wind that will come on the day after tomorrow, and they do not suffer loss through the love of gain. The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death. [20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences, through the sweet songs of Homer, since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness, and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories, and the heart of the mass of men is blind. For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms, would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword
But to you, Thearion, she gives a due measure of prosperity, and while you have gained a bold spirit for fine deeds, [60] she does not impair the wisdom of your mind. I am your friend; averting the dark shadow of abuse, and bringing genuine glory, like streams of water, to the man who is dear to me, I shall praise him. This wage is worthy of good men. If any Achaean man is nearby [65] who lives above the Ionian sea, he will not find fault with me. I trust in my being their representative. And among my fellow townsmen, the glance of my eye is bright; I have not overshot the mark, and I have thrust all violence away from my path. May the rest of my days approach benevolently. Anyone who knows the truth will declare whether I follow a path that is out of tune, singing a twisted5 song. [70] Sogenes, of the Euxenid clan, I swear that I did not overstep the line when I hurled, like a bronze-cheeked javelin, my swift tonguea throw that disqualifies a man's strong neck from the sweat of the wrestling-match, before his limbs fall under the burning sun. If there was toil, greater delight follows. [75] Let me go on. If I rose too high and shouted loudly, I am not too rude to pay my debt of gratitude to the victor. It is easy to weave garlands. Strike up the song! The Muse welds together gold and white ivory with coral, the lily she has stolen from beneath the ocean's dew. [80] But in remembrance of Zeus and in honor of Nemea, whirl a far-famed strain of song, softly
Good boy, Fred: one preacher out of the masses is not bad :-)
January 27 2011, 6:29 PM
Much of the Bible identifies the prevaiing Greek, Roman and Jewish Worship to REPUDIATE the use of music which is always the WEAPON of those "intending to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Most children of that time would not fall sucker bait to anyone imposing MUSIC knowing that Jesus spoke of the Jewish Clergy as hypocrites (preachers, singers, instrument players) the MARK of someone entertaining in order to fleece the sheep.
HOMER SPEAK FOR ALL DECENT AND LITERATE SOCIETY:
(Butler 1.2) Then the suitors came in and took their places on the benches and seats.
......Forthwith men servants poured water over their hands,
......maids went round with the bread-baskets,
......pages filled the mixing-bowls with wine and water,
......and they laid their hands upon the good things that were before them.
......As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink they wanted music and dancing,
......which are the crowning embellishments of a banquet,
......so a servant brought a lyre to Phemios,
......whom they compelled perforce to sing to them.
PETER WARNING AGAINST THOSE WHO PRIVATE INTERPRET OR FURTHER EXPOUND FOR PAY BECAUSE THEY CORRUPT THE WORD-SELL BAD LEARNING AT RETAIL.
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
......as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
......Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
......with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;
13 hdonn hgoumenoi tn en hmera truphn, spiloi kai mmoi entruphntes en tais apatais autn suneukhoumenoi humin,
Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,
Hgeomai , 2. c. dat. pers. et gen. rei, to be one's leader in a thing, theios aoidos . . hmin hgeisth . . orkhthmoio Od.23.134; h. tini sophias, ds, Lead, command in war.
God HIDES Himself from the Wise or Sophias: skilled in music and singing, in divination, in rhetoric
Truph- ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, tn gunaikn h t. Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia, give oneself airs, be dainty, fastidious, Spoiled pets in the EKKLESIA
......Aristoph. Lys. 387
......Have the luxurious rites of the women glittered
......Their libertine show, their drumming tapped out crowds,
......The Sabazian (like the Jews) Mysteries summoned their mob,
......Adonis been wept to death on the terraces,
......As I could hear the last day in the Assembly?
......This is defined as the worship by the women of Tammuz in the Temple set up for pagan idolatry.
That is why ALL of those using music AS worship are forced to appeal to the sacrificial exorcist musicians God never commanded
No one is so ancient that they did not know that musical prophesying (witchery) was the world's OLDEST profession. Scholars note of the religious musicians who sang AND played an instrument (Anti-instruction) was "drunk, perverted or just having fun."
This is the PLAY at Mount Sinai: God turned them over to worship the starry host or Sabazianism: Music in the presence of God when He intends to teach is always deemed without redemption.
Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamophthogga paizn Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, pros alllous X.Smp.9.2; meta tinos LXX Ge.26.8; of mares
HOMER SHOWING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND IN THE GAP AND WARN THE TINY REMNANT.
Hom. Od. 1.3 As soon as he touched (the psallo word) his lyre and began to sing Telemakhos spoke low to Athena,
with his head close to hers that no man might hear.
"I hope, sir," said he,
......"that you will not be offended with what I am going to say.
......Singing comes cheap to those who do not pay for it,
......and all this is done at the cost of one whose bones lie rotting in some wilderness
......or grinding to powder in the surf. (That PSA prefex, Sop, Psallo)
...... If these men were to see my father come back to Ithaca
............they would pray for longer legs rather than a longer purse,
............for wealth would not serve them;
AND PETER WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO DO NOT SPEAK THAT WHICH IS RECORDED FOR OUR MEMORY.
2Pet. 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery,
......and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
......an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pet. 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
......following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor,
......who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
......2 Cor 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
......but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
......Kapeleuo (g2585) kap-ale-yoo'-o; from kapelos , (a huckster); to retail, i.e. (by impl.)
......to adulterate (fig.): - corrupt kapęl-euô , A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade..
.......kapęleu' drive a trade, chaffer with your vegetable food Hdt.1.155
2Pet. 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity:
......the dumb ass speaking with mans voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pet. 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
............to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pet. 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity,
............they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
............through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet. 2:19 While they promise them liberty,
............they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Bobby Valentine, Pepperdine, Unleashing the Holy Spirit
January 27 2011, 9:14 PM
All of the sowing of discord in the last few decades derives from men who believe that if THEY believe something or just want to do it they have the endorsement of the "Holy Spirit" person. One of the discorders at Pepperdine this year claims that "a" spirit told him that God commanded instrumental praise and you had better not disobey. Of course, the PATTERNISM is for the burnt offering of the GOATS which Christ in the Prophets say that God did not command.
My first review will be my notes on K.C.Moser the "revived" authority on the Holy Spirit and other false teachings.
Review of Jay Guin: A new argument for instrumental music.
February 20 2011, 3:25 PM
Jay Guin Thinks that knowledgable members of the Church of Christ believe.
That God commanded instruments for the temple worship.
The Temple has been replaced by the church.
Because people "worshiped" God with instruments outside of the temple.
It is authority for believers to conduct the assembly with "instrumental worship."
First, no literate person in recorded history believed that God commanded king, kingdom, temple, sacrifices of innocent animals and instrumental noise to serve the slaughter priests.
Secondly, Christ ordained the qahal, synagogue or church of Christ in the wilderness as a school of the Word: for the irreverent Christ outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing.
Jay uses David "making merry" while moving the Ark to Zion as authority for music in the School of Christ. In fact, people are probably guided "beyond the sacred pages" to use as THEIR authority that which was always a mark of God's judgment.
Jay Guin: When the ark was being brought to Jerusalem, David and the people celebrated and worshiped with instrumental music as spontaneous worship and not as part of the formal liturgy of the Tabernacle.
(2Sa 6:5 ESV) 5 And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals.
David was causing a large body of people and not just those of the tribe of Levi to "MAKE MERRY" which is the same rising up to PLAY performed at Mount Sinai. This was a sin beyond redemption and God abandoned them to their lusted after 'worship of the STARS."
I believe this is a cold, calculated way to separate people based on the MARKS. It is the confession of John's prophecy in Revelation 17-18.
So mock: eat, drink and make merry for you are an ACTOR of an event of Biblical Proportions.
People like to pronounce curses on you if you quote too much Bible in context, especially if you define words based on their meaning at the time of writing. The MYTHOS versus the LOGOS of post modernism doesn't worry about the text: they are tasked to write NEW MYTHS which always change with the culture. Culture is always that thing which is always changing on you.
Jesus was prepared to be the personified LOGOS and that is why He was so deadly on the musical minstrels. The neo-trinitarians or polytheists rely on the "spirit" person to guide them beyond the sacred pages: songs and sermons have no other meaning.
I have added the meaning of "Anathema" which is clearly defined as any performer: Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites defined by Christ in Ezekiel 33 as "speakers, singers and instrument players" have self-dedicated themselves in a restored ceremonial system depending on the Levites for their patternism. The Levites cursed by Jacob had no inheritance in Israel.
When people dedicate themselves pretending that they add glory and honor to the word of God, they have slipped beyond the pale and "cannot be redeemed" and must be burned. God didn't command burnt offerings or the accompanying exorcism music. Therefore, once you sell your body into that ANATHEMA you cannot be redeemed.
The Book of Enoch quoted extensively in the New Testament defines those who fell into the music trap as those for whom God comes in judgment for.
Jude 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers [blaming Fate], walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having mens persons in admiration because of advantage.
1113. goggustes, gong-goos-tace´; from 1111; a grumbler: murmurer.
1114. goes, go´-ace; from goaw goao (to wail); properly, a wizard (as muttering spells), i.e. (by implication) an imposter: seducer.
goęs A. sorcerer, wizard, Phoronis 2, Hdt.2.33,4.105, Pl.R. 380d, Phld.Ir.p.29 W.; g. epôidos Ludias apo chthonos E.Ba.234 , cf. Hipp.1038; prob. f.l. for boęisiHdt.7.191.
Epôidos [epaidô] I.singing to or over: as Subst. an enchanter, Eur.: c. gen. acting as a charm for or against, Aesch., Plat. 2. pass. sung or said after, morphęs epôidonc alled after this form,
II. in metre, epôidos, ho, a verse or passage returning at intervals, a chorus, burden, refrain, as in Theocr.
2 Chronicles 33 proves that Ch 33 connects instruments to witchcraft.
April 8 2011, 10:51 PM
2 Chronicles 33 proves that Instrumental Music patterned by 2 Chronicles 29 is universally understood to be witchcraft or sorcery. The testimony ends with Revelation 17 and the Babylon mother of harlots using the lusted after "fruits" in Revelation 18 as speakers, singers and instrument players. John says that the hypocritic operatives trying to defeat Jesus and His Word HAD deceived the whole world. They have been unleashed by Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) as SUN WORSHIP in Jerusalem and in a church near you. They Lake of Fire was prepared for anyone using their own imagination and saying that it is the will of God.
The 100% False Teachers using Hezekiah's Reformclaim that the SPIRIT told them that "God commanded instrumental praise and we should not disobey." This falls BETWEEN the pagan, musical rituals of 2 Chronicles 28 and chapter 33 where music is identified as the Worship of the Sun gods (Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon). The SACRIFICIAL MUSIC was a PLAGUE STOPPING ceremony used to COLLECT the people close to Jerusalem to protect the KING'S hide. The PROOF TEXT false teachers use proves that they have been seduced by the same demonism.
2 Chronicles 28 speaks of the idolatrous worship
......which had polluted the Temple.
2 Chronicles 29 is a plague stopping animal sacrifice.
......God DID NOT command sacrifices OR the instruments.
2 Chronicles has Manassah restoring the Demonish:
......the words for singing and playing instruments proves
......that it was demonism.
If in doubt read Acts 7 which proves that god ABANDONED Israel to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
I have looked up the Greek and Latin words all of which point to the worship of Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) in Revelation. John calls the sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world.
How can you account for a man willing to lie about all of the Bible and recorded history ONLY causing up to 1/2 of the owners to cast themselves out of their synagogue. To be able to fool even half of the people is the meaning of Lying Wonders: it certainly is a sign.
Why God HIDES from the WISE and Jesus does not pray for the WORLD
April 17 2011, 11:50 AM
The problem on both sides of the issue is that they DENY Christ and are indeed ANTI-Christs and blasphemers by hiding from the fact that Christ defined the future REST in inclusive and exclusive terms. Peter affirms that Jesus Christ led by that same Spirit made the prophecies more certain. As Jesus commanded that "we teach that which HE commanded to be taught," in 2 Peter 1-2 Peter outlawed private interpretations or further expoundings: a MARK of a false teacher is that he does not teach "that which is written for our learning." Christ was EXPLICIT: we are just dumb and dumber.
Luke 11:48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers:
......for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the WISDOM of God,
......I will send them prophets and apostles, ......and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, ......which was shed from the foundation of the world,
......may be required of this generation;
Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
......which perished between the altar and the temple:
......verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
John 6:44 No man can come to me,
......except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
......and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ......And they shall be all taught of God.
......Every man therefore that hath heard,
......and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Baptism is the MARK or SEAL that one is a Disciple of Christ beginning in the Prophets. By being deliberately ignorant of the Prophets they blasphem the Spirit of Christ by denying that He outlawed all of the performing arts and crafts. They further blaspheme by claiming that their vain and evil imagination is the Spirit person speaking to them. Christ defined them in Jeremiah 23.
......Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: ......and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Ephesians 2:20 And are built
......upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, ......Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
......as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
......spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
......whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
......by whom also he made the worlds;
James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord,
......for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
......who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
......the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
......when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves,
......but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you
......by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
......sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
God the One Father in heaven made Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ. When the father "breathed" on Jesus as the Son (Word) it was articulated into audible words. Jesus commanded that we teach that which HE commanded to be taught: if they cannot understand that then it is a MARK that God hides himself from the WISE (Sophists: preachers, singers, players, actors) and Jesus will not PRAY for those of the WORLD:
kosmos , metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumel k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).
Pind. O. 11 My tongue wants to foster such themes; [10] but it is by the gift of a god that a man flourishes with a skillful mind, as with anything else. For the present rest assured, Hagesidamus son of Archestratus: for the sake of your boxing victory,
...... I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive,
...... [15] while I honor the race of the Western Locrians.
There, Muses, join in the victory-song; I shall pledge my word to you that we will find there a race that does not repel the stranger, or is inexperienced in fine deeds, but one that is wise and warlike too.
2Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
...... whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
......as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
......until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
......is of any private interpretation. (further expounding)
2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
......but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, ......and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
There is no preacher at any scholarly level who knows or needs to know that Christ spoke through the Prophets and Apostles.
Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites and in Ezekiel 33 names self-speakers, singers and instrument players. A hypocrite literally speaks only to those PERFORMIN clergy roles for which they have no ROLE and no DOLE.
It is amazingly prophetic that the "angels of light" make a cottage industry out of tellying the dupes that God never said anything about Commands, Examples and Inferences (CENI). They hold "workshops of evil" and mock those who believe that when Christ speaks it is AFFIRMATIVE: if He says "command them what I have commanded to be taught" He does not have to tell the NON-DELUSIONAL people that "you can ALSO teach out of your evil imagination." This is obviously the WACO SYNDROME
CHRIST SAID OF THOSE WHO BUILD ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE NATIONAL SCRIBES.
Stand in the gate of the Lords house [courts], and proclaim there this word,
......and say, Hear the word of the Lord, all ye of Judah,
......that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord. Jeremiah 7:2
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,
......Amend your ways and your doings,
......and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Jeremiah 7:3
Trust ye not in lying words, saying,
......The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord,
......The temple of the Lord, are these. Jeremiah 7:4
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
......LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT; ......THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.
For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
......in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
......concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
......Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you:
......they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, ......and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, ......The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace;
......and they say unto every one that walketh
......after the imagination of his own heart, ......No evil shall come upon you.
Despise tthe Word of God of God and using your own words is:
Blasphm-e , pf. A. beblasphmka D.18.10:speak profanely of sacred things, eis theous Pl.R.381e; offer rash prayers,
1. Because Christ as Spirit spoke ONLY through the prophets.
2. Those who use use the pattern of the Lying Pen of the Scribes, in fact despise and ignore the SPIRIT message.
3. Christ in Jeremiah defines that as blasphemy
Hebrew: H5006 nâats naw-ats' A primitive root; to scorn; abhor, (give occasion to) blaspheme, contemn, despise, flourish, X great, provoke.
Any time hyou fabricate (work) a sermon which does not SPEAK that which is written for our learning, and substitute your own self-centered performance, that defines a hypocrite and a blasphemer.
It is amazing how many young men are out there cutting down the church which gives them an unlawful dole for an unlawful and destructive role.
They take advantage of the blogs etc and spread their venum and are quite able to prevent you from telling them that "the kings have no clothes." Even at graduate schools it seems that they have missed Bible reading 101a.
Jay Guin, Matt Dabbs and the PROGRESSIVE churches of Christ love Danny Corbitt's book which I have reviewed. Here is a sample from Matt Dabb's censored blog:
No one was so simple minded as to have missed the universal connection between music and making the lambs dumb before the slaughter.
-Xenophon, Socrates, Symposium 2
Habakkuk knew that the superstitious really believed that the musical sounds were the "voice of demons" living inside of the instrument: that is why the Catholics BAPTIZED bells, books, candles and pipe organs.
When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girlone of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle
[2] They now played for the assemblage, the flute-girl on the flute, the boy on the cither; and it was agreed that both furnished capital amusement. Thereupon Socrates remarked: On my word, Callias, you are giving us a perfect dinner; for not only have you set before us a feast that is above criticism, but you are also offering us very delightful sights and sounds.
Xen. Sym. 3 After this the boy, attuning his lyre to the flute, played and sang,
......and won the applause of all; and brought from Charmides the remark,
......It seems to me, gentlemen, that, as Socrates said of the wine, ......so this blending of the young people's beauty and of the notes of the music ......lulls one's griefs to sleep and awakens the goddess of Love.
Sure, it is raw lust they use to attract the "bipolars"
This may be the Love we keep hearing about. However, Paul warned:
Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise,
......but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph. 5:18 And be not drunk [methun] with wine, wherein is excess;
......but be filled with the Spirit; (The Word of Christ Col 3:16; John 6:63)
Eph. 5:19 Speaking to yourselves
......\ in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
..........\ singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph. 5:20 Giving thanks [praying] always for all things
......UNTO God and the Father
......in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Kat-aule ,A. charm by flute-playing, tinos Pl.Lg.790e, cf. R.411a; tina Alciphr.2.1: metaph., se . . -s phob I will flute to you on a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):Pass., of persons, methun kai katauloumenos drinking wine to the strains of the flute, Pl.R.561c; k. pros khelnidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment,
4.30.11 John T. Willis 2. "Sing" is vocal; "make melody" is instrumental. Psalms 33:2-3; 144:9; 149:1, 3 make this crystal clear. Amos 5:23 further verifies this reality. People forget that God turned Israel over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS of the army: they made war and not worship. We will examine these passages in context.
Blasphey is saying that God commanded Instrumental "worship."
August 15 2011, 12:32 PM
The Churches of Christ were never remotely connected to the Disciples / Christian Churches. They were the first to say that God Commanded Instrumental Worship and we MAY go and do likewise. The Mantra has accelerated to saying that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTS and we will be disobedient if we do not comply.
If God DID NOT Command instruments even when He turned them over to worship the starry host.
Then Christ in Jeremiah says that they BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit
The Direct Command is to build the church on the foundation of the Prophets (by Christ) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth.
All of the prophets repudiate the Jewish Monarchy as robbers and parasites: the Scribes had a lying pen and Jesus quoted Ezekiel 33 to NAME preachers, singers and instruments as hypocrites. Yes, you can have all of the Phds in the world and never be allowed to grasp the fatal fall from grace caused by musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. If you pay for the Free water of the Word you are violating the command of Christ in Isaiah 55.
Anyone who claims that God commanded anyone to use instrumental music in a worship setting is:
Terminally ignorant
Or terminally evil.
Not even Judas--whose bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments--knew that he was indwelled by Satan -- the Son of Perdition -- until Jesus gave him the SOP mark which is the rood meaning of PSALLO.
In all of the Bible and contemporaneous accounts--beginning with clay tablets--the fall into musical idolatry meant that you have fallen and cannot get up.
If you enable those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit of god then you are a blasphemer: God has no pity on the blind being led into the ditch (Pit meaning hell).
When you rise up (against god) in Play (musical idolatry) there is no redemption
February 11 2012, 8:51 PM
Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play
The golden calf represented Apis a real bull calf in Egypt. This represented the always-pagan trinitiyof Osiris, Isis and Horus.
PLAY at Mount Sinai is defined in most pagan religions which the Israelites imitated. The word is
h7832.Sachag
Whe they made SAMSON GRIND or SPORT they sexually abused him
Judges 16:25 And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport [h7832]. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport [h6711]: and they set him between the pillars
.
Genesis 39:15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried,
....that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out.
Genesis 39:16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home.
Genesis 39:17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying,
....The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us,
....came in unto me to mock me: h6711.tsachaq
David went naked and PLAYED the harp and played with the camp followers: He confessed that he made himself VILE that hale or "praise word" people grasp without knowing what it is they are holding in their hands.
1Chronicles 13:8 And David and all Israel played [H7832] before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. Went Naked
THE LATIN: Exod 32:[6] surgentesque mane obtulerunt holocausta et hostias pacificas et sedit populus comedere ac bibere et surrexerunt ludere [Ludo is PLAY]
Surgo they rose up in insurrection AGAINST God.
Hędonais 3. Pl., desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, X.Mem.1.2.23, Ep.Tit.3.3,
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
What ANY Disciple would know without exception.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
Ephraim Syrus On Our Lord notes that Sinai was atest. The Israelites were consummate idolaters in Egypt. However, God gave them one more shot at the Abrahamic Covenant. By removing Moses as a visible "authority figure" He wanted to let them answer their own prayer:
18. But when their heathenism from being inward became open, then Moses also from being hidden openly appeared; that he might openly punish those whose heathenism had revelled beneath the holy cloud which had overshadowed them.
But God removed the Shepherd of the flock from it for forty days, that the flock might show that its trust was fixed upon the calf.
And he was there in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. Mark 1:13
While God was feeding the flock with all delights, it chose for itself as its Shepherd the calf, which was not able even to eat. Moses who kept them in awe was removed from them, that the idolatry might cry aloud in their mouths, which the restraint of Moses had kept down in their hearts. For they cried: Make us gods, to go before us.
19. But when Moses came down, he saw their heathenism revelling in the wide plain with drums and cymbals. Speedily, he put their madness to shame by means of the Levites and drawn swords.
So likewise here, our Lord concealed His knowledge for a little when the sinful woman approached Him, that the Pharisee might form into shape his thought, as his fathers had shaped the pernicious calf.
THERE WAS NO REDEMPTION: THE OLDER PERISHED WERE "WORN OUT" AND DIED. THE YOUNGER GENERATION WERE SENTENCED TO RETURN TO BABYLON: IN THE MEANTIME THE KINGS GIVEN IN GOD'S ANGER WERE SELECTED TO PLACE EVERYONE IN BONDAGE THE COMMAND FOR THE LEVITES WAS NOT TO BE MUSICAL WORSHIP MINISTERS BUT BE SOOTHSAYERS WITH INSTRUMENTS TO WARN ANY GODLY JEW NOT COME INSIDE THE GATES OR BE SLAUGHTERED.
If you fall for "musical idolatry" God will "set a king over you in his anger to take you captive without a way of excape."
Then and now, the ELDERS rejected God as their leader and SET A SENIOR PASTOR over them to prove they are not able to "teach that which has been taught."
How preachers DELIBERATELY repudiate Christ about the church
February 23 2012, 5:44 PM
People who intend to SOW DISCORD to make a place in normal society for Professional Religious Musicians claim
That God specificialy commanded "instrumental praise" and ALL use the Levites who performed as SORCERERS with instrumental noise to warn a Jew who did it that they would be executed if they came inside the walls when this WORSHIP OF THE STARRY HOST or DEMON worship was being carried out by the Civil-Military-Clergy complex who demanded that the POOR give them thousands of innocent animals to satisfy their blood and flesh lust.
IN FACT CHRIST DEFINED THE FUTURE DAY OF REST INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY: "DOCTORS OF THE LAW" AND SCRIBES AND PHARISEES (SPEAKERS, SINGERS, MUSICIANS EZ 33) KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU DO NOT HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AS GOD DELIVERED IT.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dogs neck;
he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swines blood;
he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
Yea, they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
That is the Command Example Inference: you get no choice
H8586 talűl tah-al-ool' From H5953 ; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant:babe, delusion Alal (h5953) glean, mock,
Illdo 1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule,
ipsa praecepta (rhetorum), Cic. de Or. 1, 19, 87:
voces Neronis, quoties caneret, Tac. A. 14, 52Plane
plnus , i, m., = planos, I. a juggler, impostor, cheat (class.; cf. erro): ille planus improbissimus, Cic. Clu. 26, 72: fracto crure planum attollere
cno , ccni, cantum (ancient I. [select] imp. cante = canite,
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinat ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae, Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: maestae cecinere tubae, Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9.
C. Since the responses of oracles were given in verse, to prophesy, foretell, predict.
Thus saith the Spirit OF (preposition) of Christ saith: Isaiah Burden Part D
March 2 2012, 3:56 PM
I have added clickable links for any elder who is not more APT to chase a coon than APT to "teach that which has been taught.
Thus saith The Spirit OF (Preposition) Christ: Sabbath or REST is the Greek PAUO.
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him,
not doing thine own ways,
nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words:
Too bad but Isaiah is Christ's "patternism" for His future REST both inclusively and exclusively. Isaiah 50 outlaws any of the musical mocking prophesied of Jesus:
Isaiah 58 has Christ OUTLAWING seeking your own pleasure or SPEAKING your own words.
All of the instrumental bandits INSIST that a vision or a spirit or someone gave them permission to Speak Beyond the Sacred Pages. CENI is used to MOCK the idea that Jesus wast telling the truth when He commanded that we teach and observe WHAT HE COMMANDED to be taught. Peter makes that the PROPHETS (by christ 1 Pet 1:11) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus, witnessed by the Apostles and left for OUR MEMORY: anyone who does private interpret (further expound) is a false teacher. Part F defines what Christ LIBERATED us from.
If it hurts refusing to obey is PROOF of strong delusions: lying wonders are all of the performing arts and crafts called HYPOCRITES (Jesus) and SORCERERS (John).
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...........................THE BOOK
What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)