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September 29 2012 at 12:35 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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I challenge you to find me a "scriptural" worship service in the New Testament. It's not there, at least not how we do it. Read James 1:26-27 to understand what true religion is. Also, see Matt 25 about the folks that made it into heaven on judgement day. Not one word about any "authorized" worship service.

I was raised in the church of Christ; I know what it teaches. It is nothing more than another denomination of the Catholic church. The Communion we partake of is nothing more than a Catholic ceremony. If we did the Lord's Supper the correct way we'd be eating a meal and drinking wine. (with the alcohol still in it).

If the "authorized" worship service was important to salvation it would have been stated very clearly and leave no room for discussion. It's amazing that we argue about something that the bible barely mentions. There is just a lot of stuff it does talk about though. Stuff like how we are to conduct ourselves and how we are to treat our neighbors. How we are saved by grace. Those things are really hard for you old "hard-liners" to understand. I feel sorry for you, and I mean that sincerely. However, if you want to see a truly scriptural worship service, read 1 Cor 13 & 14. We might ought to be speaking in tounges and doing some phrophetizing like those folks did back then. Low and behold, we might even sing some solo's too when we meet. You guys leave out the part "if any man has a song, let him sing it". Now who's leaving out things?

Check out Romans 14 and see what it says about people having a difference of opinion about what is right and good! We are not saved or condemned by some ritual we do on Sunday morning. We are saved by grace, through faith. When we put on Christ it is not an act of submitting to some goofy set of rules about a "soul-saving" worship service. When we are baptized, we put on Christ and we strive to live as Christ would want us to live.

Finally, read 1 Thess goes something like this: Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, mind your own business, and work with your hands! Eccl 2 not sure what verse....Solomon said that there was nothing better for a man to do than to eat and drink and enjoy what his hands worked for. Sorry for the paraphrasing bible is in the other room.

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Let Scripture and History define IMPURE RELIGION now called "worship."

September 29 2012, 12:45 PM 

RE: Let God Tell Us How to Worship

I challenge you to find me a "scriptural" worship service in the New Testament. It's not there, at least not how we do it. Read James 1:26-27 to understand what true religion is. Also, see Matt 25 about the folks that made it into heaven on judgement day. Not one word about any "authorized" worship service.

Scripture almost always defines the pagan THESIS for what they called "worship." When James severely limits PURE RELIGION we are supposed to ask: "What is IMPURE Religion." People tasked to perform for cash flow and use any kind of "Music" which demands dancing as the clapping and body movement are "making the lambs dumb before the slaughter." They should be asking questions of the text and mining it like Solomon's Mines.

Jesus said that kingdom DOES NOT COME to observations: that means that Jesus does not participate in religious services.

James and IMPURE RELIGION Threskia

Worship which is conducted in musical rituals comes from the orgies of Orpheus:

"Nor are these Thracian orgies, from which the word Worship (threskia) is said to be derived; nor rites and mysteries of Orpheus, whom the Greeks admired so much for his wisdom that they devised for him a lyre which draws all things by its music. Nor the tortures of Mithras

Commentary on Vergil, Aeneid. book 6, line 645.
[645] Orpheus was one of the mythical fathers of song, and his name was associated with revelations about the lower world, supposed to be preserved by secret societies (Dict. M. Orpheus), so that he is naturally made the harper who plays while the blessed spirits dance and sing. He is called `sacerdos,' as in Hor. A. P. 391 he is called sacer interpresque deorum. The long robe was characteristic of musicians, as Cerda shows, comp. Prop. 3. 23. 16, Pythius in longa carmina veste sonat (of the statue of Apollo in the Palatine temple), and also Hor. A. P. 215, Ov. F. 6. 654, 688, where the long robes of the `tibicines' are mentioned and accounted for. `Cum veste' above v. 359. Elsewhere we have `in veste,' as 12. 169, puraque in veste sacerdos.

The word in the Bible is:

Threskos (g2357) thrace'-kos; prob. from the base of 2360; ceremonious in worship (as demonstrative), i.e. pious: - religious.

Orge I. natural impulse or propension: one's temper, temperament, disposition, orgê , hê, II. passion, anger, wrath, 3. Panos orgai panic fears (i. e. terrors sent by Pan), Eur.:--but, orgê tinos anger against a person or at a thing, Soph.; hierôn orgas wrath at or because of the rites, Aesch.

God hides from the wise or Sophists:

sophistês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun A.Fr.314 , cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistêi Thrêiki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with mod

Thraix a Thracian; ionic Thrêïx, ïkos, pl. Thrêïkes [i^], Il., Hdt., etc.; epic contr. Thrêix, Thrêikos, Il., Trag., etc.

Orpheus the Thracian was the originator of ritual worship called Threskia

Strabo defines IMPURE Threskia

[10.3.17] From its melody and rhythm and instruments, all Thracian music has been considered to be Asiatic. And this is clear, first, from the places where the Muses have been worshipped, for Pieria and Olympus and Pimpla and Leibethrum were in ancient times Thracian places and mountains, though they are now held by the Macedonians; and again, Helicon was consecrated to the Muses by the Thracians who settled in Boeotia, the same who consecrated the cave of the nymphs called Leibethrides.

And again, those who devoted their attention to the music of early times are called Thracians, I mean Orpheus, Musaeus, and Thamyris; and Eumolpus, (sweet singer) too, got his name from there. And those writers who have consecrated the whole of Asia, as far as India, to Dionysus, derive the greater part of music from there. And one writer says, "striking the Asiatic cithara"; another calls flutes "Berecyntian" and "Phrygian"; and some of the instruments have been called by barbarian names, "nablas," "sambyce," "barbitos," "magadis," and several others.

[10.3.18] Just as in all other respects the Athenians continue to be hospitable to things foreign, so also in their worship of the gods; for they welcomed so many of the foreign rites that they were ridiculed therefore by comic writers; and among these were the Thracian and Phrygian rites.

For instance, the Bendideian rites are mentioned by Plato,1 and the Phrygian by Demosthenes,2 when he casts the reproach upon Aeschines' mother and Aeschines himself that he was with her when she conducted initiations,

that he joined her in leading the Dionysiac march, and that many a time he cried out "evoe saboe," and "hyes attes, attes hyes"; for these words are in the ritual of Sabazius and the Mother.

10.3.19] Further, one might also find, in addition to these facts concerning these genii and their various names, that they were called, not only ministers of gods, but also gods themselves. For instance, Hesiod says that five daughters were born to Hecaterus and the daughter of Phoroneus, from whom sprang the mountain-ranging nymphs, goddesses, and the breed of Satyrs, creatures worthless and unfit for work, and also the Curetes, sportive gods, dancers.

Orpheus the Thracian was the inventor of worship in the form of rituals. Music especially was added to claim that the charismatic, sexual feelings were proof that he could call down the gods or move you up to "him".

"If any one perchance thinks that we are speaking calumnies, let him take the books of the Thracian soothsayer (Orpheus the inventor of musical soothsaying), which you speak of as of divine antiquity; and he will find that we are neither cunningly inventing anything, nor seeking means to bring the holiness of the gods into ridicule, and doing so: for we shall bring forward the very verses which the son of Calliope uttered in the Greek, and published abroad in his songs to the human race through out all all ages." (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 499).

Classical antiquity is a broad and perhaps misleading term for a long period of European history, that begins roughly with the earliest recorded Greek poetry of Homer, and continues through the rise of Christianity and the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

The recitations of the Ancient Greeks Ancient Greece is the term used to describe the Greek-speaking world in ancient times.

The historic heroes and improvers of the lyre were of the Aeolian or Ionian Ionia was an ancient region of western coastal of Anatolia (now in Turkey). ).

In Greek legend, Orpheus was the chief representative of the arts of song and the lyre, and of great importance in the religious history of Greece.

He was a Greek of Thracian origin; the "Orphic Mysteries", rituals of unknown content, were named after him. It is possible, but not probable, that Orpheus was an historical personage; even in ancient times his existence was denied.

The first Musaeus was a mythical seer and priest, the pupil or son of Orpheus, and is said to have been the founder of priestly poetry in Attica. According to Pausanias, he was buried on the Museum hill, south-west of the Acropolis. He composed dedicatory and purificatory hymns and prose treatises, and oracular responses.

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