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Palm Sunday: final SOUNDING. Sectarian Instrumental Music Worship Timeline

February 6 2015 at 11:09 AM
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The new "c"hristian World View denies that God, Jesus or the inspired prophets and apostles had the ability to reveal the Mind of God in WORDS able to survive for about 2,000 years. So despising God and His Word is the meaning of BLASPHEMY for Latin literates.

Stephen Johnson teaches Bible at ACU and has the feminists 1voice4change INVERTING and therefore lying about all of the texts showing that women are uniquely prone to seeing their imagination as the inspiration of God: in all of the "proof texts" he-they do not grasp that the REASON that almost all men and all women must be silent in the PATTERNED assembly because they deny that "there is ONE GOD THE FATHER (teacher) and One MEDIATOR between man and God, the MAN Jesus Christ. He is the door through which conversation comes.

In the more recent history of biblical interpretation [outlawed 1 Peter], the relationship between the preacher
.....and the word of God is understood in terms of the historical distance between the two.

Preachers are taught that to ARRIVE at the meaning of the text
.....they must first read the text historically located correspondence
.....wrapped in the cultural idioms of the ancient world and its situation.

In fact, one of the characteristic features of MODERN exegesis to assume the great distance
.....between the ancient world of the text
.....and the contemporary world in which one lives

The preacher must be EQUIPPED with considerable skill order to traverse the vast distance between these two worlds.

Arriving in the ancient world of biblical writers, the preacher must use the proper tools order to undertake the critical task of excavating the one true and original meaning of the text.

Upon mining this precious nugget of truth,
.....he preacher must then muster the determination to make it back to the contemporary world
.....with the precious cargo intact-a treacherous journey indeed

The horrible obstacle Stephen etal see is the BRAVEHEART soul with the courage to tell you that what Jesus taught has nothing to do with OUR culture.

Stephen and the progressives do not think that you can understand APOCALYPTIC when they extort hire for UNCOVERING the One True Church and its feminists-effeminate voice.

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Some Stephen Johnson at ACU defining the NEW anti-christian world view

February 6 2015, 1:38 PM 

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Re: Stephen Johnson ACU How to UNCOVER the feminist Bible

February 14 2015, 12:37 PM 

Brandon Moore and all of the neo-trinitarians are defined as ANTICHRIST says John because they deny the ONE GOD THE FATHER and ONE Son whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ but not "theos."

when there are absolute statements that there is ONE GOD THE FATHER and one son whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ this is a TRUMP CARD. This does not prevent people from just collecting all of the passages mentioning the Holy Spirit: they can never grasp that it is "The Holy Spirit OF Christ." His Mind is the Mind of God and therefore He could say "My Words are Spirit and Life." He does not mean that they are a separate PERSON because that would be to despise the power of God to speak to His Son.

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Barton Stone repudiated by the neo-trinitarians

February 15 2015, 5:36 PM 

Not even the Catholics use the Nicean Creed in baptism nor the mass: the Apostolic Creed is used instead. That is about the time that the theologians have confessed to reading only theologians have fallen into what is clearly the mark of Antichrist. The Gnostics (some churches of Christ using lectio divina as foundation) opposed the Apostolic Creed which did not identify Jesus as the ONE GOD THE FATHER.

We know that Jesus came in the flesh but the antichrist mark is to deny that the prophesied Christ or Messiah came in the flesh.

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The Grace-Centered Cult

February 19 2015, 7:10 PM 

Judah Smith is correct: Grace is a person. Or Rather, Jesus of Nazareth was God's visible-audible demonstration of His Grace, Word, Justice, Light, Righteousness.

However, Judah Smith and all of the Grace-centereds say that grace is more important than keeping rules. The new Feminists-Effeminate Theology wears the "mask" of godliness but they are:

Anti-God since they are afflicted with goddess worship: Mother goddesses were sometimes males.

Anti-Biblical since you have to fabricate and prevaricate in order to SELL a book or replace the Bible with your own mumbo-jumbo.

Anti-Christ since He died to be the only Master Teacher and elders are commanded to teach that which is written--not written by Judah.

The OPPOSITE of keeping rules is BREAKING rules: Titus personifies Grace and is parallel to Acts two which Jason also BREAKS.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Submit means to place under a shelter, make subject to. A person who fiddles around with the notion of NOT obeying direct commands is not UNDER the "umbrellum" or the church as SAFE HOUSE from the Jason Shepherds.

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The Graces as Feminist's Triple Goddesses: 3 states of ugliness

February 19 2015, 7:16 PM 

Artists always pictured the 3 graces is beautiful and "graceful." However, sometimes God gives grace to the ugly.



Everybody in every time has represented the Tripartite Goddess. Not only the Western tradition but in Asia, Africa… see examples.

Apollo [Abaddon-Apollon], god of Arts; Mercury [KAIROS], god of winds; and Dionysus, god of wine (therefore, of the earth) gave them their favors too and then, the Three Graces controlled all the elements (earth, water, air, fire and ether (art)).

All around them was happy and still today, we admire them for this… but, remember, their mother took pity on the ugliness too… Who was actually their mother? Maybe the White Goddess? Maybe the Mother Nature?

As the ALWAYS-ANTITHESIS God gave Jesus in replaces of the TRINITY OF GRACES to teach us NOT to use the Graces and Muses as a PATTERN.

Judah substitutes grace for obedience: all of the Grace-Centered Cults rest on grace (1 or 3) especially to permit them to Jason-like sowing of discord and lying about Scripture. Not to worry that God hates instruments in the holy places and people who sow discord the feminist-effeminate theology got them a new paradigm (to replace the old pattern) and confess GRACE GONNA COVER IT ALL.

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Senior Pastors replacing Christ are called DEMAGOGUES

February 20 2015, 10:40 PM 

I noticed that a church of Christ in Nashville had cancelled the FELLOWSHIP MEETING on Friday Night because of the Ice. This is the meaning of being taken captive by those whose destiny is to remove the REST Jesus died to give individual disciples.

The command is for ALL Disciples to abandon their own opinions and take up THEIR cross and follow Jesus. That passage specificially calls upon the rhetorical or musical performers (sophists) to give up anything out of their own mind and follow Jesus. That is the SECT that is called the WAY or narrow road. A true Church if Christ is NARROW and EXCLUSIVE because it is a tiny bubble in a hostile world or the ECUMENICAL. Dare to be narrow minded.

A Senior Pastor claims the role of Jesus Christ and they are standing in "their" holy (holey) place claiming to be gods replacing everything but what they hear or see in visions. That SPIRITUS is called Abaddon or Apollon and these seniors are called demagogues.

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Demagogue-Psychopomp: conducting souls to hell part B

February 21 2015, 9:05 PM 

Lipscomb University along with the other Feminist dominated ex-christian institutions are forced by God to MARK themselves as of Biblical Proportion.

We have noted that the Little Flock is MIKROS: They are the SECTARIANS called the WAY. The World, Kosmos or ECUMENICALS get a lot of mileage out of using SECTARIAN as a violent psychological weapon. They KNOW their father and the New Paradigm DENIES all of the Bible other than using lifted words or phrases as their THEME while they spend the whole sermon HINDERING the tiny few from finding the NARROW WAY. They worked for about 3 decades DEprogramming everyone so that most are too intimidated to lift their voice because they know what EXCLUSIVE means.

They call it A Christian World View not knowingn that World or ecumenical is ANTI-Christ and includes all of the loose butterflies you can corral and saddle because Jesus will not pray for them. Notice that consistent with the priests of the Babylon Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 they intend to DECEIVE because they are SORCERERS and are the Judas Goats to lead you into the pit.

They began sowing discord right on time c. ad 2000 claiming that musical praise teams can lead you into the presence of God. That claims to be mediators or Jesus Christ. The joke is that for the Greek-literate they are to lead you into the presence of the god, HADES: their pattern the Levites "had a covenant with Death and Hell and so they are used as the PATTERN for those destined or purpose driven without control.

Dr. David Lavender, Ms. Rhonda Lowry and Dr. Jackie Halstead are diligently working for the University to introduce what they call "spiritual formation" into the life of the church. What better way to implement their desired changes than by involving church leaders in practices borrowed from paganism, medieval Catholicism and New Age practitioners. Teaching them the joys of contemplative prayer, to use breath prayers, to light candles for ritual prayers, to walk in labyrinths, to take pilgrimages and to seek their spiritual center is supposed to make them more spiritual as leaders of the Lord's church. Their Retreat to the Catholicism's Mercy Convent to draw near to God is especially impressive. There are spiritual seminars by men like Rev. Glandion Carney of St. Peter's Anglican Church and Dr. Gary Moon of the Dallas Willard Center for Spiritual Formation. The coordinators of this program must be wiser than the Holy Spirit, for He failed to include such a regimen in the Bible he inspired.

You are to IGNORE the olden Bible because THEY like Shelly and York have new spectacles to get a NEW VISION for the church. The feminists have a NEW PARADIGM (they don't know that a paradigm is a pattern). They are ANTI-God, ANTI-Scripture and ANTI-Christ because they hear "a" spirit making everything before them OBSOLETE: Just shot away by particles beamed from the eyes, by evolution and by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle where you can't determine where the REprogrammed preacher is or HOW FAST he is going at the same time. Laugh: Paul said that people love to be fooled because they are the ECUMENICAL a race of vipers whom John refused to baptize.

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They HATE baptism because someone said that "little vipers hate water." They will do anything to claim that they are part of the Little Flock, despised and rejected to try to keep them out of the water. Something like LIGHT to a dracula: they will cont come to the light because they KNOW that their sins would be outed.

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Musicians (Locusts) are part of conducting sould to hell (Isaiah 3)

February 22 2015, 1:14 PM 

Highland Church in Abilene may have predated Fuller in churches of Christ: Jo Bass exercised AUTHENTIA over E. R. Harper which spelled the total defection of the Herald of Truth. John T. Willis etal credits Jo Bass for His utterly false teaching which is driven beyond Biblical Illiteracy but a Purpose Driven effort.

Jeanene P. Reese, wife of the President carried the ball (smile) and declares this "spirit" person has given them a NEW PARADIGM to replace the old God, old Scriptures and Old Christ who HAD His turn in the Bible: now it is time for the holy spirit person to take over and speak through visions (Max Lucado) or hearing audible voices (Rubel Shellly) or having "a" spirit stop Rick Atchley dead in his tracks to lie to God, about God and violate his solemn oath not to add instruments to HIS church in the "plenary" sessions. Now, men Like David Young (My ex) had adopted the 40 days of prayer pattern when at Mount Sinai and with Jesus Satan was attempting to "speak sweet words" causing men to pervert Scripture BUT to fulfill the PATTERN in Revelation 17f.

Caroll Wimber adds the worship as a SEXUAL CLIMAX experience

Physical and emotional expression in worship can result in dance and body movement.

This is an appropriate response to God if the church is on that crest.
It is inappropriate if it is whipped up or if the focal point is on the dance rather than on true jubilation in the Lord.

Expression then moves to a zenith, a climatic point, not unlike physical lovemaking (doesn't Solomon use the same analogy in the Song of Songs?). We have expressed what is in our hearts and minds and bodies,

and now it is time to wait for God to respond. Stop talking and wait for him to speak, to move. I call this, the fourth phase, visitation: The almighty God visits his people.

John Wimber is the father of the Vineyard or New Wineskins Movement. Zoe is Eve is Vires or Venom or VENUS (Lucifer) and Paul said she was WHOLLY SEDUCED.

Signs and Wonders was a phrase used often by leaders of the Charismatic movement in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It is closely associated with the ministry of John Wimber and the Vineyard Movement. One of the major emphases of the belief is that the Gospel can be communicated more effectively to unbelievers if accompanied by supernatural manifestations brought on by the Holy Spirit (such as prophecy and healing).

The origin of the phrase is in Deuteronomy 26:8, which describes the commandment to tithe first fruits as linked to God's having brought the Israelites out of Egypt "with a strong hand and an outstretched arm, and with signs and wonders". This passage is read with emphasis in the Passover Haggadah and Seder.

A key verse in scripture that is understood by Christian ministries which allow God to move in signs and wonders is Mark 16:20, which states "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

The ongoing theological reflection accompanying the Signs and Wonders movement was evidenced by Fuller Theological Seminary’s 1988 Symposium on Power Evangelism, which produced the document entitled, Papers Presented at the Symposium on Power Evangelism. In the same year, C. Peter Wagner released The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit: Encountering the Power of Signs and Wonders Today.

In the concluding paragraph, John Wimber also reveals the unscriptural, ecumenical goals he envisions for his power evangelism theories.

That's fine because the ECUMENICAL terrorism is the WORLD for which Jesus didn't pray and Satan is the Kosmokrator or WORLD RULER. The KOSMOS or world is marked by what it thinks is "beautiful music by beautifully adorned women."

Mike Cope boasts of being the first keynoter (king for an hour) at the first Jubilee in 1989: this was a product of Madison (Flatt) and Woodmont (Shelly). Jubilee had its sand washed from under it when Max Lucado was called in to wring the water out of salvation.

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February 23 2015, 8:51 AM 

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Ken, GRACE called and said "sorry about that, you should have listened".

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February 23 2015, 12:10 PM 

You need to be careful about where you lift your "pitchers"

This is from How to do Extreme Discipleship on Friday night: the clergy say TGIF we can justify our Role (roll) Jesus took away from us in the old PARADIGM.

Musicians conduct defunct spirits into hell: they must be up in the choir loft with the other mice (plural of muse)

Did you know that all wheel drive on a 15 degree incline works like four wheel brakes?

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February 23 2015, 3:53 PM 




(Greek myth) any of nine sister goddesses, each of whom was regarded as the protectress of a different art or science. Daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, the nine are Calliope, Clio, Erato, Euterpe, Melpomene, Polyhymnia, Terpsichore, Thalia, and Urania


Don't think I couldn't teach you mythlogy in the proper setting. happy.gif

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February 23 2015, 4:21 PM 

I always lift my pitcher and say cheers to photo bucket as they are my buffer. They don't ask me when it is time to yank one.

Does the "Church in the Wilderness" provide communion weekly. Perhaps more like the Baptist and just every once in a while? Just wondering. happy.gif

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February 23 2015, 7:47 PM 

THE NINE MUSES AND THE NINE MAGPIES The Muses work for Apollo or Abaddon.

So spoke the Muse. And now was heard the sound
of pennons in the air, and voices, too,
gave salutations from the lofty trees.

Minerva, thinking they were human tongues,
looked up in question whence the perfect words;
but on the boughs, nine ugly magpies perched,
those mockers of all sounds
[worship team], which now complained
their hapless fate. And as she wondering stood,
Urania, goddess of the Muse, rejoined;--

"Look, those but lately worsted in dispute
augment the number of unnumbered birds.--
Pierus was their father, very rich
in lands of Pella; and their mother (called
Evippe of Paeonia) when she brought
them forth, nine times evoked, in labours nine,

Lucina's aid.--Unduly puffed with pride,
because it chanced their number equalled ours,
these stupid sisters, hither to engage
in wordy contest, fared through many towns;--
through all Haemonia and Achaia came
to us, and said;--

'Oh, cease your empty songs,
attuned to dulcet numbers, that deceive
the vulgar, untaught throng. If aught is yours
of confidence, O Thespian Deities
contend with us: our number equals yours.
We will not be defeated by your arts;
nor shall your songs prevail.

Then, conquered, give Hyantean Aganippe; yield to us
the Medusean Fount;—and should we fail,

we grant Emathia's plains, to where uprise
Paeonia's peaks of snow.—Let chosen Nymphs
award the prize—.’ 'Twas shameful to contend;
it seemed more shameful to submit. At once,
the chosen Nymphs swore justice by their streams,
and sat in judgment on their thrones of rock.

“At once, although the lot had not been cast,
the leading sister hastened to begin.—
She chanted of celestial wars; she gave
the Giants false renown; she gave the Gods
small credit for great deeds.—She droned out, ‘Forth,
those deepest realms of earth, Typhoeus came,
and filled the Gods with fear. They turned their backs
in flight to Egypt; and the wearied rout,
where Great Nile spreads his seven-channeled mouth,
were there received.—Thither the earth-begot
Typhoeus hastened: but the Gods of Heaven
deceptive shapes assumed.—Lo, Jupiter,
(As Libyan Ammon's crooked horns attest)
was hidden in the leader of a flock;
Apollo in a crow; Bacchus in a goat;
Diana in a cat; Venus in a fish;
Saturnian Juno in a snow-white cow;
Cyllenian Hermes in an Ibis' wings.’—
Such stuff she droned out from her noisy mouth:
and then they summoned us; but, haply, time
permits thee not, nor leisure thee permits,
that thou shouldst hearken to our melodies.”
“Nay doubt it not,” quoth Pallas, “but relate
your melodies in order.” And she sat
beneath the pleasant shadows of the grove.

And thus again Urania; “On our side
we trusted all to one.” Which having said,
Calliope arose. Her glorious hair
was bound with ivy. She attuned the chords,
and chanted as she struck the sounding strings:—

Revelation 17 gives the final warning: the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Eve, Evah, Viris, Venus in the perverted Babylonianism, uses lusted after fruits as craftsmen, singers and instrument players. John said they were SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. The unleashed locusts are the Muses seeking to inject their final sting. The Mother inclused aphrodite as Venus or Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute.

The ACU lady says that when Adam was commanded to CLEAVE to Eve that he was to be under subjection to Eve. Adam was under domination to the EARTH which, she says, is the Mother.

Don't miss the point of myths and legends as the opposite of LOGOS or regulative principle outlawing all of the effeminate performing roles. If you don't grasp the MYTH you might pass through ACU and get hooked on the MYTHS. For instance, the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites were turned over to worship these listed starry host. All of the musicators use the God-abandoned Levites as their PATTERN. Like Wow.

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February 25 2015, 10:29 AM 

And just how does the Grace of God compare to the Graces of Mythology? You are just too cute. happy.gif

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February 26 2015, 2:16 PM 

The GRACES or MUSES are the musical worship team (locusts) and their leader is Abaddon-Apollon. These graces invited you to their worship services with the final act in the back room and PAY BEFORE she declares you "washed from your sins." Aballon-Apollon is called the WASHER.

The musicator ooohh that they feel cleansed after the charismatic, anti-Christian worship observation to which Jesus says the KINGDOM DOES NOT COME.

Jesus appeared as the SINGULAR Crace without instrument and SPOKE which is the opposite to and antithetical to ODE or any musical term the Graces used: that is why they are called "sorcerers" under (yep) the Babylon mother of harlots (Rev. 17)

There is nothing anyone can post which does not show that all musical terms are enchanting or sorcery intending to fleece you in tithes and offerings. That is why there is no command, example or remote inference of God calling ME out of my REST to be injected with "worship" by clergy always called parasites: God always makes spiritual covenants with the LAOS and exclusive of priests or levites.

He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5, NLT)

He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, ESV)

He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, NASB)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5, KJV, AKJV)

Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, ASV)

Not by works of righteousness which we did ourselves, but in the measure of his mercy, he gave us salvation, through the washing of the new birth and the giving of new life in the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, Bible in Basic Eng)

Not on the principle of works which have been done in righteousness which we had done, but according to his own mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, Darby Bible Tr.)

Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost, (Titus 3:5, ERV)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit; (Titus 3:5, Webster Bible Tr.)

As righteous men, had done, but as the result of His own mercy He saved us by means of the bath of regeneration and the renewal of our natures by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, Weymouth NT)

Not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5, World Eng. Bible)

All of the GRACE-CENTEREDS call that a lie: they say that our spirit was renewed or regenerated and THEN we try to proof it by being baptized or not.

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Buzzards of a Feather...?

February 28 2015, 12:33 PM 

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Re: Buzzards of a Feather...?

February 28 2015, 2:04 PM 

No, I got it from reading the Bible "in context." I became radicalized when I returned to the Little Dead Church in the High Woods. They were worshiping the father, worshiping the son and worshiping the holy spirit.

They lit the furnaces when a friend wrote a ditty about the battle of the "Unums versus the Trads." It turned out that lots of people closed the book and bowed their head until the afflictions passed over.

I read that there is ONE GOD THE FATHER and One lord Jesus Christ: that means that JeZeus is not a fraction of a three-headed godhead.

I learned about Alexander Campbell only after I retired at 49 but neither he nor any literatie in history believed that God was three, separated PERSONS (people) able to stand side-by-side and hold conferences (LU professor and not John Mark Hicks.

My principal objection to the popular doctrine of "the Trinity"
is not that it is either irrational, or unscriptural,
to INFER that there are three Divine persons in one Divine nature.
That these three equally have one thought, purpose, will, and operation, and so one God; —

or, to use the words of the Westminster Confession, "In the Unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity;"

This is where the scholars stop and teach Campbell's rejection as his agreement.

You don't need to read the Bible to say that people who claim that God is three people in one people are not to believed. People reject Christianity because it still teaches that Yehovah commanded people to slaughter the owners of lands and burn their animals to do something for him. That's good, because you can read the Bible and discover that God DID NOT command mass murder and He did NOT command kings, kingdoms, priests, levites, animal slaughter or loud noise (never musical) to WORSHIP Him since He owns all of the cattle on a thousand hills and "If I get hungry I will not tell you."

I say I object not to this doctrine because it is contrary to reason, or revelation,
BUT because of the metaphysical technicalities,
the unintelligible jargon,
the unmeaning language of the orthodox creeds on this subject,
and the interminable war of words without ideas
to which the word Trinity has given birth.

For example, in the same section from which I have quoted the above words is found the following jargon: "The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son."

Were any one to ask me, Can there be three distinct persons, or even being, in one God? I would say,
Reason informs me not,
and revelation does not assert it.

But if asked, Can there be one, and [100] one three in the same sense?
I reply, Both reason and revelation say No.

But then no Trinitarian or Calvinist affirms that the three are one, and the one three, in the same sense.

The first to use the trias word agree that the Son is eternally begotten! However, they say that when the ONE GOD THE FATHER SPEAKS what comes out is His WORD or His SON. Jesus proved that His role was to articulate what He heard the Father BREATH into him. Without Measure or in a limited sense would make no sense. However, the word "Metron" is most often use of "Musical Meter." That's good because there is no metrical text in the Bible and therefore never intended to be babbled by men pretending to be girls.

SPEAK in the LOGOS sense is the OPPOSITE of ODE or musical melody: that's good because Paul commanded that the ODE and PSALLO be in the heart or SILENT so you can SPEAK that which is written for our learning.

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Re: Buzzards of a Feather...? God rides upon the WINGS of the WIND: buzzards are fine.

February 28 2015, 7:32 PM 

>The Trinitarian System Alexander Campbell:

2. But in the second place, I have an insuperable objection to the Arian and Calvinistic phraseology--

On the doctrine of the first relation existing between the Father and the Saviour of Men, because it confounds things human and divine, and gives new ideas to bible terms unthought of by the inspired writers.

The names Jesus, Christ, or Messiah, Only Begotten Son, Son of God, belong to the Founder of the christian religion, and to none else.

They express not a relation existing before the christian era, but relations which commenced at that time.
To understand the relation betwixt the Saviour and his Father,
which existed before time,
and that relation which began in time,
is impossible on [333] either of these theories.

There was no Jesus, no Messiah, no Christ, no Son of God, no Only Begotten, before the reign of Augustus Cesar.

The relation that was before the christian era, was not that of a son and a father, terms which always imply disparity; but it was that expressed by John in the sentence under consideration.

The relation was that of God, and the "word of God." This phraseology unfolds a relation quite different from that of a father and a son--a relation perfectly intimate, equal, and glorious.

This naturally leads me to the first sentence of John. And here I must state a few postulata.

I think I learned that from Christ in Isaiah because A Church of Christ is built upon or educated by the prophets and Apostles. Institutions built upon the abandoned Jewish system cannot be Christian in any sense and that is why the progressive preachers replace the LOGOS with their personal opinions. If Messiah was a branch off a stump and the ARM of God or the Finger of God watch out for people who want to make the finger of God another "people."

When God made Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ (Messiah) He had all of the glory and power of God almighty in our world. However, He put on the clothing of a servant or slave because any persona which stands between God and His Word would intentionally seek their own glory.

You watch closely in the morning and see who seeks whose glory:

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my WORDS, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.

Logos is God's Regulative Principle: opposite of self-speak rhetoric, singing or playing instruments. Jesus called these hypocrites.

If they quote part of a verse and then twist out a bunch of sausage from their own attempt to ENHANCE the LOGOS they Jesus will be ASHAMED of them when He comes in HIS glory.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

It is probably that they can never have read these verses nor does it alter their course in the slightest because Jesus had Paul say THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. The little ancient poem I quoted is the UNIVERSAL meaning of MUSIC when people claim to be speaking for God or His Christ.

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This was inspired by the Spirit OF Christ: it is an absolute statement of fact. The Word in the Prophets, made more certain by Jesus and left for our memory by eye-- and ear--witnesses and OUTLAWED from private interpretation or further expounding is a MARK. The Word CANNOT be superceded with a new paradigm by Disciples OF Christ as the only Christians because they have "a" holy spirit or "a" good conscience. They could never even hallucinate that a Deity called The Holy Spirit (of) lived inside of their carnal bodies.

I have a tribe of about 50 buzzards which soar and float as they make their circuit every few days. Make certain that the doors and windows are closed in the morning: they might be angels of blight

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Re: Buzzards of a Feather...? God rides upon the WINGS of the WIND: buzzards are fine.

March 1 2015, 10:02 AM 

Paul’s brief descriptive in his letter to the saints in Rome:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things (Romans 1:22-23).

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