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July 17 2008 at 6:51 AM
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Wil  (Login engourdi)
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Hi my name is Wil. I am looking for some help from owners of Akitas while I am trying to correct our new dogs health problems.

We adopted a 17mth female Akita about 4 days ago. She is a beautiful well behaved and temperament dog. This is the good news from it. She came with a bad skin allergy. I did not know the extent of her problems until I received all the records from the vet. She is going to be an expensive dog.

This is not our first Akita it is actually our 3rd. We had a pup that was lost to hip problems and older male we adopted that live until he was 12 last year. So we have dealt with some of the breeds problems.

The new female (Yuki) has terribly itchy skin. She is on a prescription anti-histamine for it this doesn't really work that well. I want to get her off of it. She has been to the specialist for dermatology. There have been a battery of test on her and the result was atophy. This is not very helpful and sounds like what they would name a condition they are unsure of how to fix. The dog is allergic to many things. She is anemic and has poorer lymph system.

First thought is to change the food which we did. I now use Canidae lamb formula. She was previously on cheap food from Walmart. I have added flax oil to her meals and also fish oils. We are using whitchhazel on her skin to reduce itching and this works but on for a temp amount of time. We also have been using aloe from our plants on her skin. Other than that we are riding it out to wait for some form of a change.

The next step is to take her to the local holistic vet we have. I get into the practice and figure the regular vet hasn't figured it out so far maybe the holistic ones can.

Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks,
Wil

 
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Chrissy
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Hi Wil

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July 17 2008, 7:02 AM 

Did this girl happen to come from IL and is she cream color? If so I did an eval on her and I felt so bad with how itchy she was! If we are talking about the same dog email me and I will give you more info. SkylineAkitas@att.net


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Since Wil posted

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July 17 2008, 10:52 AM 

here about her, why take it private? Please let us all know more about her.








 
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Elea
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poor babe...

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July 17 2008, 7:03 AM 

Yeah getting her off the "cheap walmart" food is the FIRST good thing. From what i've heard that food is MUCH better that you switched too. You might want to try Nicky's "raw diet"... at least that might help getting all the toxin's out of her body and get her healing. Then you can slowly add back a good quality dog kibble if you didn't want to keep the raw diet. I think nicky has posted what she feeds her dogs before you might try seraching the archives for it. (or she'll read and post it again)

i think you can give dogs vitamine E as well. That might help. I'd ask the vet or the holistic person so make sure you give the right amount. But the food will probably make a HUGE difference. Might want to check out there's a powder i've heard people give their dogs who have skin irration's that seemed to work.. http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754410
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hope you get your girl some relif.


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Sarah
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Hi Wil

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July 17 2008, 7:06 AM 

Welcome to the forum!

Is she itchy everywhere, or just certain areas? Poor little lady must be miserable. Hopefully the food change helps...

Have they recommended a steriod, like prednisone? My boy, and a few others here take pred for allergies...Mikko just needs his about 1 month out of the year, as he has seasonal allergies.

Sounds like you are doing all the right things with adding the oils, using witch hazel, aloe, etc...I believe another thing you could try is Gold Bond powder. I was told that helps with the itchies.

Maybe going to the holistic vet wouldn't be a bad idea....multiple opinions are best, I think.

I know I don't have any great answers for you, but I bet some others will.

Sarah

ps. We will need to see pics of your pretty girl and thank you for adopting!!!

 
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Welcome Wil and Yuki (I think we now have 3) ... Our

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July 17 2008, 7:24 AM 

boy had some itchy issues early on and was plagued with hot spots for a while but we have the groomer use an oatmeal bath and that seems to have helped...Your girl sounds like she has lots of issues contributing; hopefully changing her diet will be a big factor...Keep us posted and pictures, pictures, pictures...
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Wil
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Re: Welcome Wil and Yuki (I think we now have 3) ... Our

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July 17 2008, 7:41 AM 

Thanks for the responses. I will get pictures of her in the next day or 2 for posting. I will also post pictures of the last 2 we had.

She does itch all over. It seems that she scratches and nibbles at just about every spot she can. She itched her ear open last night which means now she has a cone head for a few days until it heals. The tip of her nose get broken open daily because she rubs it against the carpet. I wish she would stop this since I have off white carpet . Her stomach has a little rash on it that seems to go partly away when using whitchhazel. I don;t see any signs of bugs. The vet didn't report any flea,ticks, mites or otherwise.

I did find it odd that she has been de-wormed 3 times in the past year or so but never had a lab test that showed worms or parasites. I am figuring that it was a precaution to try and help out the skin issue. I know from my own past experience that internal parasite in humans and animals can cause a whole host of problems.

Other than that she is a good dog. What ever the family did they did well. The only downside we have is the cat is not too fond of her. He seems to think hissing and running are a good thing. The cat was raised around the other 2 Akitas when we had them. He should no better.

Thanks again,
Wil

 
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Sarah
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Poor baby!

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July 17 2008, 7:53 AM 

I really hope they are able to figure something out for her


 
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Doreen
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Scabes

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August 11 2013, 7:14 PM 

I was just wondering if anyone has delt with their akaita having scabes?

 
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watch out for flax!

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July 17 2008, 7:55 AM 

many dogs are allergic to flax so you could be making her problem worse.

my suggestion is to try a raw diet on her for a few months and i can almost guarantee you her allergies will clear up... http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/animals.htm   I have heard countles stories of dogs with skin and coat problems that nothing would help, except a real food diet. Drop the meds, drop the processed foods, drop the GRAINS, opt for maximum nutrition!

(welcome to the forum btw! would love a photo of your girl!)





 
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Wil
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Re: watch out for flax!

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July 17 2008, 8:07 AM 

Thanks for the info on the flax. I did not know that it could be a cause of the problem. We had used it on the previous male and he did fine. So I figures that it would not hurt to try with her. The good thing is I have only given it to her twice now so it is easy to stop.

Any suggestions on which of the raw diets to try?

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Wil

 
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for a first try, i would suggest

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July 17 2008, 9:13 AM 

a pre-packaged, raw frozen diet for the first week or two... can be quite pricey though but if you elimiate the meds, special baths and vet visits you may be saving money.

you can google raw frozen diets and see if a petstore near you carries it?

normally you can choose the protein source... some dogs are allergic to chicken so they have lamb, rabbit, horse, venison, buffalo, duck, beef, etc... rare to see pork though, not sure why.

it would not hurt to try... raw is not a miracle diet but for many dogs it DOES produce near-miracle results.

ps: or try a grain-free kibble mixed with fresh meat... maybe your girl is allergic to grains, who knows?...





 
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Wil
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Re: for a first try, i would suggest

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July 17 2008, 10:14 AM 

I will look into a supplier locally if not I can order it online.

I think one of the problems before was they had her on a lamb and rice formula but were giving her wheat based treats. Kind of defeated the purpose of the lamb and rice. I am using Canidae's lamb and rice now. She seems to eat less of it that the other foods. Her treats are grain free.

Does anyone make there own raw diet? If she did well with beef it is easy for me to get. My mom owns a farm that raises organic cattle. Price would be good and I know what goes into them.

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Wil

 
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yep, i make my own...

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July 17 2008, 11:16 AM 

and it's mostly beef-based, as I can get ground beef for really cheap - i feed that and balance it with the correct proportion of raw chicken backs (or you could do turkey necks or any other small digestible bone - beef bones are too hard and indigestible, they can crack or break teeth).

Bone-in pork roasts are also a big hit, as are beef hearts & organ meats.

Add some raw eggs (with the shell) and you are all set!

Some rough guidelines to follow: 60% meat, 20 to 25% edible bone, 10% organ meats and the rest can be eggs, cottage cheese, yogurt, fruits and vegges (pureed or cooked), etc.   I wish I had access to cheap venison and stuff like that... oh well.

For the record... never had any allergies with my kids, no eye gunk or dirty ears, no itching and scratching, etc. White teeth, tiny poops, etc. They do get the occasional kibble dinner when I feel lazy, Dakotah gets Evo RM and Maika gets an organic chicken based kibble with grains, otherwise she plugs up like crazy. I'd say they are on an 80% raw diet though... Boy is a massive 145 lbs of bone and muscle and the tiny peanut is still 95 lbs, very light on her feet though.





 
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I do

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July 17 2008, 11:26 AM 

I make my own raw diet for my dogs. Actually, it's not so much "making" anything - just giving their meals to them raw When I first started feeding raw, I followed the BARF diet pretty closely (you can Google BARF diet and find tons of info on it).

Now I'm pretty relaxed about it, so long as my dogs get about 50% raw meaty bones (things like chicken wings, pork ribs, etc, where there is quite a bit of bone in the meat; about 50% or more bone in the portion) and 50% muscle meat (no bones). I also try to give them some organs. Ideally, organs should comprise 10% of the overall diet. Mine won't eat raw organs so I just give them chopped up baked liver as treats and give them a dehydrated organs/glands supplement powder once in a while. I give them some sort of omega-3 oil (fish, krill, etc) every once in a while (they also eat some fish). Other than that, I don't really supplement.

My boy has allergies. The raw diet is great for eliminating the food allergens, since you have control over what goes into the food and you can simplify the protein sources and use just what Yuki (my girl is named Yuki too ) is not allergic to. However, it is not going to eliminate ALL allergens. My boy is also allergic to certain pollen so he does itch in the spring/summer. It helps though to eliminate whatever allergens you can, and food is the easiest thing to control. I do not have my boy on any meds. The witch hazel is a great idea actually. I think I will use that on my boy's inner thighs - he gets little sores there in the spring/summer because he licks and nibbles, esp. when blowing coat, and the moisture is trapped there. Witch hazel helps dry things up, doesn't it?

Good luck!








 
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Re: I do

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July 17 2008, 4:13 PM 

Witch Hazel does a lot of things. It is an astringent and a healer. Here is a link for more info.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/witch-hazel-herbal-remedies.htm

Thanks for the suggestions. I am looking into the BARF diet now. I will by a premade one for the first week or so until I get the time to become comfortable with it.

Wil


 
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I'm sure you'll get the hang of it in no time!

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July 17 2008, 9:35 PM 

Just remember that every dog is different, so even though it is very important to include raw bones in the diet, don't be afraid to alter slightly the suggested ratio of bone to meat to suit your dog. Too much bone leads to constipation for some dogs while too little bone leads to squirts for others. It's pretty simple actually - bones make stools harder. Vegetables make stools softer. You want to end up with a fairly hard, compact stool, but not with constipation or a stool that comes out looking like powder (you'll see what I mean after a boney meal ) My girl cannot handle as much bone as my boy so she gets more meat in her meals.










 
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That would be perfect for you guys!!

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July 17 2008, 7:23 PM 

Since your Mom has a farm!

I do 1/2 raw 1/2 kibble...turns out Mikko is allergic to raw beef, so we have cut that out, and stick to chicken, venison and fish for his meats.

Christine and Nicky are very knowledgeable on the subject of raw...I'm just along for the ride.

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make treats

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April 13 2012, 9:52 AM 

I always made my treats because my Akita had tons of allergies. Chicken, grass, etc. I made him sweet potato treats and he would do anything for them. You'll need a dehydrator though. You just cook the sweet potatoes whole for about 45 min. Let them cool, peel, slice, then dry. Carrots were also a favorite of his and they're really easy too. :O) No drying needed lol.

 
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~*~*~ YUKI PHOTOS ~*~*~

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July 17 2008, 9:06 AM 

Here are some pics I took of Yuki when I did her eval.

Yuki3

Yuki2

Yuki1

Yuki


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