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July 17 2008 at 6:51 AM
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Hi my name is Wil. I am looking for some help from owners of Akitas while I am trying to correct our new dogs health problems.

We adopted a 17mth female Akita about 4 days ago. She is a beautiful well behaved and temperament dog. This is the good news from it. She came with a bad skin allergy. I did not know the extent of her problems until I received all the records from the vet. She is going to be an expensive dog.

This is not our first Akita it is actually our 3rd. We had a pup that was lost to hip problems and older male we adopted that live until he was 12 last year. So we have dealt with some of the breeds problems.

The new female (Yuki) has terribly itchy skin. She is on a prescription anti-histamine for it this doesn't really work that well. I want to get her off of it. She has been to the specialist for dermatology. There have been a battery of test on her and the result was atophy. This is not very helpful and sounds like what they would name a condition they are unsure of how to fix. The dog is allergic to many things. She is anemic and has poorer lymph system.

First thought is to change the food which we did. I now use Canidae lamb formula. She was previously on cheap food from Walmart. I have added flax oil to her meals and also fish oils. We are using whitchhazel on her skin to reduce itching and this works but on for a temp amount of time. We also have been using aloe from our plants on her skin. Other than that we are riding it out to wait for some form of a change.

The next step is to take her to the local holistic vet we have. I get into the practice and figure the regular vet hasn't figured it out so far maybe the holistic ones can.

Any ideas are welcome.

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Wil

 
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Hi Wil

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July 17 2008, 7:02 AM 

Did this girl happen to come from IL and is she cream color? If so I did an eval on her and I felt so bad with how itchy she was! If we are talking about the same dog email me and I will give you more info. SkylineAkitas@att.net


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Since Wil posted

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July 17 2008, 10:52 AM 

here about her, why take it private? Please let us all know more about her.








 
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poor babe...

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July 17 2008, 7:03 AM 

Yeah getting her off the "cheap walmart" food is the FIRST good thing. From what i've heard that food is MUCH better that you switched too. You might want to try Nicky's "raw diet"... at least that might help getting all the toxin's out of her body and get her healing. Then you can slowly add back a good quality dog kibble if you didn't want to keep the raw diet. I think nicky has posted what she feeds her dogs before you might try seraching the archives for it. (or she'll read and post it again)

i think you can give dogs vitamine E as well. That might help. I'd ask the vet or the holistic person so make sure you give the right amount. But the food will probably make a HUGE difference. Might want to check out there's a powder i've heard people give their dogs who have skin irration's that seemed to work.. http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754410
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hope you get your girl some relif.


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Hi Wil

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July 17 2008, 7:06 AM 

Welcome to the forum!

Is she itchy everywhere, or just certain areas? Poor little lady must be miserable. Hopefully the food change helps...

Have they recommended a steriod, like prednisone? My boy, and a few others here take pred for allergies...Mikko just needs his about 1 month out of the year, as he has seasonal allergies.

Sounds like you are doing all the right things with adding the oils, using witch hazel, aloe, etc...I believe another thing you could try is Gold Bond powder. I was told that helps with the itchies.

Maybe going to the holistic vet wouldn't be a bad idea....multiple opinions are best, I think.

I know I don't have any great answers for you, but I bet some others will.

Sarah

ps. We will need to see pics of your pretty girl and thank you for adopting!!!

 
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Welcome Wil and Yuki (I think we now have 3) ... Our

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July 17 2008, 7:24 AM 

boy had some itchy issues early on and was plagued with hot spots for a while but we have the groomer use an oatmeal bath and that seems to have helped...Your girl sounds like she has lots of issues contributing; hopefully changing her diet will be a big factor...Keep us posted and pictures, pictures, pictures...
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Re: Welcome Wil and Yuki (I think we now have 3) ... Our

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July 17 2008, 7:41 AM 

Thanks for the responses. I will get pictures of her in the next day or 2 for posting. I will also post pictures of the last 2 we had.

She does itch all over. It seems that she scratches and nibbles at just about every spot she can. She itched her ear open last night which means now she has a cone head for a few days until it heals. The tip of her nose get broken open daily because she rubs it against the carpet. I wish she would stop this since I have off white carpet . Her stomach has a little rash on it that seems to go partly away when using whitchhazel. I don;t see any signs of bugs. The vet didn't report any flea,ticks, mites or otherwise.

I did find it odd that she has been de-wormed 3 times in the past year or so but never had a lab test that showed worms or parasites. I am figuring that it was a precaution to try and help out the skin issue. I know from my own past experience that internal parasite in humans and animals can cause a whole host of problems.

Other than that she is a good dog. What ever the family did they did well. The only downside we have is the cat is not too fond of her. He seems to think hissing and running are a good thing. The cat was raised around the other 2 Akitas when we had them. He should no better.

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Poor baby!

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July 17 2008, 7:53 AM 

I really hope they are able to figure something out for her


 
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Scabes

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August 11 2013, 7:14 PM 

I was just wondering if anyone has delt with their akaita having scabes?

 
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watch out for flax!

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July 17 2008, 7:55 AM 

many dogs are allergic to flax so you could be making her problem worse.

my suggestion is to try a raw diet on her for a few months and i can almost guarantee you her allergies will clear up... http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/animals.htm   I have heard countles stories of dogs with skin and coat problems that nothing would help, except a real food diet. Drop the meds, drop the processed foods, drop the GRAINS, opt for maximum nutrition!

(welcome to the forum btw! would love a photo of your girl!)





 
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Re: watch out for flax!

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July 17 2008, 8:07 AM 

Thanks for the info on the flax. I did not know that it could be a cause of the problem. We had used it on the previous male and he did fine. So I figures that it would not hurt to try with her. The good thing is I have only given it to her twice now so it is easy to stop.

Any suggestions on which of the raw diets to try?

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Wil

 
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for a first try, i would suggest

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July 17 2008, 9:13 AM 

a pre-packaged, raw frozen diet for the first week or two... can be quite pricey though but if you elimiate the meds, special baths and vet visits you may be saving money.

you can google raw frozen diets and see if a petstore near you carries it?

normally you can choose the protein source... some dogs are allergic to chicken so they have lamb, rabbit, horse, venison, buffalo, duck, beef, etc... rare to see pork though, not sure why.

it would not hurt to try... raw is not a miracle diet but for many dogs it DOES produce near-miracle results.

ps: or try a grain-free kibble mixed with fresh meat... maybe your girl is allergic to grains, who knows?...





 
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Re: for a first try, i would suggest

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July 17 2008, 10:14 AM 

I will look into a supplier locally if not I can order it online.

I think one of the problems before was they had her on a lamb and rice formula but were giving her wheat based treats. Kind of defeated the purpose of the lamb and rice. I am using Canidae's lamb and rice now. She seems to eat less of it that the other foods. Her treats are grain free.

Does anyone make there own raw diet? If she did well with beef it is easy for me to get. My mom owns a farm that raises organic cattle. Price would be good and I know what goes into them.

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yep, i make my own...

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July 17 2008, 11:16 AM 

and it's mostly beef-based, as I can get ground beef for really cheap - i feed that and balance it with the correct proportion of raw chicken backs (or you could do turkey necks or any other small digestible bone - beef bones are too hard and indigestible, they can crack or break teeth).

Bone-in pork roasts are also a big hit, as are beef hearts & organ meats.

Add some raw eggs (with the shell) and you are all set!

Some rough guidelines to follow: 60% meat, 20 to 25% edible bone, 10% organ meats and the rest can be eggs, cottage cheese, yogurt, fruits and vegges (pureed or cooked), etc.   I wish I had access to cheap venison and stuff like that... oh well.

For the record... never had any allergies with my kids, no eye gunk or dirty ears, no itching and scratching, etc. White teeth, tiny poops, etc. They do get the occasional kibble dinner when I feel lazy, Dakotah gets Evo RM and Maika gets an organic chicken based kibble with grains, otherwise she plugs up like crazy. I'd say they are on an 80% raw diet though... Boy is a massive 145 lbs of bone and muscle and the tiny peanut is still 95 lbs, very light on her feet though.





 
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I do

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July 17 2008, 11:26 AM 

I make my own raw diet for my dogs. Actually, it's not so much "making" anything - just giving their meals to them raw When I first started feeding raw, I followed the BARF diet pretty closely (you can Google BARF diet and find tons of info on it).

Now I'm pretty relaxed about it, so long as my dogs get about 50% raw meaty bones (things like chicken wings, pork ribs, etc, where there is quite a bit of bone in the meat; about 50% or more bone in the portion) and 50% muscle meat (no bones). I also try to give them some organs. Ideally, organs should comprise 10% of the overall diet. Mine won't eat raw organs so I just give them chopped up baked liver as treats and give them a dehydrated organs/glands supplement powder once in a while. I give them some sort of omega-3 oil (fish, krill, etc) every once in a while (they also eat some fish). Other than that, I don't really supplement.

My boy has allergies. The raw diet is great for eliminating the food allergens, since you have control over what goes into the food and you can simplify the protein sources and use just what Yuki (my girl is named Yuki too ) is not allergic to. However, it is not going to eliminate ALL allergens. My boy is also allergic to certain pollen so he does itch in the spring/summer. It helps though to eliminate whatever allergens you can, and food is the easiest thing to control. I do not have my boy on any meds. The witch hazel is a great idea actually. I think I will use that on my boy's inner thighs - he gets little sores there in the spring/summer because he licks and nibbles, esp. when blowing coat, and the moisture is trapped there. Witch hazel helps dry things up, doesn't it?

Good luck!








 
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July 17 2008, 4:13 PM 

Witch Hazel does a lot of things. It is an astringent and a healer. Here is a link for more info.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/witch-hazel-herbal-remedies.htm

Thanks for the suggestions. I am looking into the BARF diet now. I will by a premade one for the first week or so until I get the time to become comfortable with it.

Wil


 
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I'm sure you'll get the hang of it in no time!

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July 17 2008, 9:35 PM 

Just remember that every dog is different, so even though it is very important to include raw bones in the diet, don't be afraid to alter slightly the suggested ratio of bone to meat to suit your dog. Too much bone leads to constipation for some dogs while too little bone leads to squirts for others. It's pretty simple actually - bones make stools harder. Vegetables make stools softer. You want to end up with a fairly hard, compact stool, but not with constipation or a stool that comes out looking like powder (you'll see what I mean after a boney meal ) My girl cannot handle as much bone as my boy so she gets more meat in her meals.










 
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That would be perfect for you guys!!

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July 17 2008, 7:23 PM 

Since your Mom has a farm!

I do 1/2 raw 1/2 kibble...turns out Mikko is allergic to raw beef, so we have cut that out, and stick to chicken, venison and fish for his meats.

Christine and Nicky are very knowledgeable on the subject of raw...I'm just along for the ride.

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make treats

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April 13 2012, 9:52 AM 

I always made my treats because my Akita had tons of allergies. Chicken, grass, etc. I made him sweet potato treats and he would do anything for them. You'll need a dehydrator though. You just cook the sweet potatoes whole for about 45 min. Let them cool, peel, slice, then dry. Carrots were also a favorite of his and they're really easy too. :O) No drying needed lol.

 
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~*~*~ YUKI PHOTOS ~*~*~

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July 17 2008, 9:06 AM 

Here are some pics I took of Yuki when I did her eval.

Yuki3

Yuki2

Yuki1

Yuki


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she is gorgeous!!

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July 17 2008, 9:13 AM 

Just wait until her skin & coat heal up... wow!





 
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such a pretty GIRL!!!

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July 17 2008, 9:14 AM 

Wil, thanks for being that girls angel and saving her!! You got a beauty!!! I have no doubt you will be able to clear up her skin allergies and she will be soo happy with you.

Chrissy GREAT pictures!!! Show's how pretty she is.

Elea, Sierra & Haylie


    
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What a honey bunny!!!

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July 17 2008, 9:17 AM 

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What a small world!

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July 17 2008, 9:18 AM 

Look at her!! THANK YOU Wil for adopting her! Poor thing looks like she's been through a lot It sounds like she is in great hands with you Wil!

I'm a sucker for the all white girls too

 
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Re: ~*~*~ YUKI PHOTOS ~*~*~

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July 17 2008, 10:25 AM 

Thanks for the photo's. I will post some in the future when she heals more.

The picture included is of our last male and our 4yr old daughter (She is 11 now). This is the first day we got him. He was a lot overweight. He was 160lbs when we picked him up. After about 6 month we got him down to 130lbs where he stayed for the 6 years we had him. Last year he was put to sleep because of hip and knee problems. At 12yrs old he lived a good long life.

Nikko picture.



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Re: ~*~*~ YUKI PHOTOS ~*~*~

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July 17 2008, 11:02 AM 

What a handsome boy he was, and your daughter is a cutie to. Thank you for going Rescue and saving the girl Yuki, she is a doll and with your love & help she can't help but improve and get better.



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cute pair!!!

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July 17 2008, 12:02 PM 

whoa.. he sure doesn't look 160.. amazing how SOLID akitas are. You'll have to get us a new picture of Yuki and your 11 year old now.

I think i'd do nicky's raw diet and start from fresh. Probably do a world of good.

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Aww, Nikko

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July 17 2008, 7:21 PM 

What a handsome boy! Good for you for getting some weight off, I've heard it's not always easy to do. I'm glad he was able to live his last years with people who took such good care of him.


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Hi and..

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July 17 2008, 7:23 PM 

welcome to the forum!!!

AWWWW...The pics are wonderful!!!

And as for the "itchies"...sorry no help from here...

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Wow

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April 12 2012, 6:14 AM 

She is beautiful

 
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Hi Wil

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July 17 2008, 10:51 AM 

and welcome to the forum. Sounds like you are on the right track by changing foods. I have used Canidae and most of mine do fine on it but one of them got terrible itchy skin and hot spots. I recommend Dick Van Patten's "Natural Balance" and it does come in many different formulas.

I of course also recommend our own canine supplements, K-9 Challenge Supplements, for dogs with skin problems/allergies, etc...
I would recommend the "MVP" which is minerals, vitamins and probiotics to boost the immune system.
It is a milled flaxseed base, which as you probably know is full of Omega 3's and 6's which are excellent for the coat anlong with activated charcoal.
I see Nicki mentioned alot of dogs being sensitive to Flax, I have not seen that in my personal experience. Sensitivities to wheat, corn, soy...yes.
If you would like more info, please ask!









 
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while some flax is a good thing...

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July 17 2008, 11:24 AM 

Too much flax can have a reverse effect - dogs can get irritated skin and can become very itchy. I was only commenting on the addition of flax oil... a bit is good! too much is not



 
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Very true, but the same

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July 17 2008, 11:31 AM 

can be said about many things! Too much of alot of things can be a bad thing. My point was feeding flax to a dog with skin problems is a step in the right direction in most cases.








 
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yep, i agree

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July 17 2008, 12:08 PM 

too much of a good thing is rarely a good thing.

Except tell that to the ice cold bottle of beer on a hot sunny day.... LOL!!!





 
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July 17 2008, 4:15 PM 

I have been limiting her intake to 1 tbsp a day right now. This sound like too much? She is 97lbs.

 
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July 17 2008, 10:58 AM 

I am starting my dogs on a raw diet. I looked into it because my Whippet bitch is SUCH a picky eater. After researching all of the benefits, I am going to transition all of my dogs. Here is the lady that I am going through http://www.bigskyrawfourpaws.com/. I gave her a call and was very impressed with her! Good luck.


 
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Please remember one thing...

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July 17 2008, 9:37 PM 

...Keep it simple! Canidae has changed their formulas, and not all dogs are doing well with the changes. If you are doing lamb and rice, stick to Only lamb and rice for a length of time before adding in additional supplements. You might try Natural Balance Duck and Potato, as they make treats to go along with the food; and it is a nice balanced dry food that a lot of dogs seem to do really well on. Stick to ONLY one protein one carb. and give it a good 3 weeks or so. The body has to have time to rid itself of the toxins from eating 'bad'(allergic) food and start to heal itself. The lymph system is poor because it is fighting what it views as foreign(the food) and it gets tired out from working so hard. After a length of time you can try adding in digestive enzymes(if you are doing dry), organic alfalfa(to help the body detox), and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil for dogs/cats.

Raw was mentioned already, and I totally agree with going the raw route. Kymthy Schultze has a book out about Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats that is just amazing. It helps in creating a balanced sensible raw diet and the benefits your dog/cat receives when eating raw. I highly recommend this book to anyone even thinking about a raw diet for their pets. It just makes absolute sense. All of my dogs will pick a bowl of raw food over dry/canned any day. When you first feed raw, make sure that you set the bowl down with confidence. If you doubt the diet, likely your dog will wonder what you are setting in front of it as well. Also, you will be scooping a lot less in the yard, and it won't smell.

For bathing, I would suggest using 369 NuHemp shampoo( http://www.kicxnutrition.com/pg_detail.asp?parent=100 ). Colloidial oatmeal is the last ingredient, which, if your dog is allergic to grains you need to watch the shampoo as well. So, at least this is soothing and moisturizing but less so from oatmeal than other soothing ingredients. I would follow up with the 369 NuHemp conditioner. It really does a nice job of conditioning the skin and coat. After rinsing out the conditioner, I would prepare a rinse made of organic apple cider vinegar and water. Put it in a squirt bottle or something and rinse the skin and coat with it. Making sure to get to all the red irritated spots. For in-between bathes you can apply this mixure with cotton balls to the irritated itchy spots. It helps take the itch out and is a natural anti-bacterial. You should see the red irritation clear up within several hours, if that. Any raised spots might still be there, but it will help the skin out.

I hope some of this has helped you. No one likes to see their dog suffer from allergies or anything like that. Take care, and let us know how it goes!!!

 
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Re: Please remember one thing...

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July 18 2008, 2:57 AM 

I understand we need to stick with one food for some time to see what happens. I personally have food allergies (Celiac disease) and know what the detox period is. For humans it can take 1-2 years for your body to heal after an auto-immune disease.

I did bath her in Dr Bronner's last night. That seems to help the itch and got rid of the dog smell. I will have to try a rinse of apple cider vinegar. I drink the stuff all the time so it is around.

http://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/OLBA02/BabyMildLiquidSoap.htm

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Hi.

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July 18 2008, 4:11 AM 

I had lots of allergy issues with my Akita, food was the worst offender. Once I found a safe protien (chicken) we were rollin'.
She also had bad environmental issues during high pollen events, washing her feet each time she comes in from outside abates the symptoms.
Antihystamines are real hit and miss for dogs, I'd really encourage you to investigate the core of the issue and work forward from there.
One food allergin can drive your dog nuts for a couple of weeks, my dog exhibits horible symptoms from lamb.



 
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Re: Akita skin problems

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May 6 2011, 4:25 PM 

i also own an akita a male, we also addopted him,when he was 4 yrs. old they told me not to give dog any people food and i do i mix pork or ham, chicken, he doesnt like beef with his food mostly for flavor.he will not eat dog food plain, i started this when i first got him, i was trying to get him to like us. he is now almost 8 yrs old, he sratches alot. i thought he had fleas, so used medicated shampoo for fleas, sarted shedding alot, changhed his shampoo, to non medicated its called out, buy it in k mart seems to help shedding, they stay smelling cleaner longer, my dog weighs 125 lbs. dont know what he is allergic to either but cant spend money to find out. seems healthy took to vet try a calming condtioner you leave in hair. doggie vitamins. good luck i love my dog even if there a pain. hope this helps. just another big dog lover.

 
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akita skin problems

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April 11 2012, 6:59 PM 

If the vet has already performed that many test on her skin then they may need to look deeper into the issue. Hasmher thyroid been checked, kidneys, auto immune disease. There are a number of other potential problems. Tell them to look deeper.

 
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Any updates?

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April 25 2012, 9:42 AM 

We went totally chicken free as well as grain free and all our dogs are doing well. Tommy went 6 months without an allergy shot. A good chicken free food is Acana out of Canada. Champion Pet Foods also makes Orijen.

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