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casio warped , and by way of the wandering melody, like silhouettes of our four, the notes know too much now. The man who came to stay plays as it is mixed. We are together still in Kensal Rise. Drew returns from a stroll around the cemetary.. 'a few Doherrty's in there..' and all of my living soul in here, singing my heart out and as London is light shedly upon too. Gemma stretches out on the sofa. not your average eastend lass. Ramones tshirt and boxing boots. Free reignng blushes that are vehemently denied 'I go red when I'm hot'. Pat is as excited and genuine a soul this intimate morning. Boundless energy and fervour for the music. I am with good souls, getting closer and stronger as a band. All around us, true disorder. By the time you read this there should be or hopefully a link to a demo I knocked out this night passed
The Libertines machine oiled and steaming across the continents, is well and truly steamrolling all hope I had.
They still have me in the dark. Japan? oh right.. Amerigoround the states? nice one.. I try at least:
Dear Carl,
I have no malice in me, and cleanlier blood than your current well hidden hypocritical hearty hooter-coke has been allowing you. Yeah yeah yeah, so what. Good luck. I don't think you should beleive anyone anymore. Can I clear up the drugs thing finally? When you roll into the studio staggering and mewling, and jabber that you've been 'with the skag and bone man ' all night.. it's just seen as a classic Carl moment. Drinking yourself into a snorting stupor year after year? Why not go to Paris and NewYork and stay in hotels an do interviews for a bit. John? shooting smack for two years? Don't worry, we'll stand by you and give you a lift to score and watch and help as a band as you go through it all, beleive in you and give you time and love and of course you come through it. Gary? your all encompassing addictions to knitted jumpers and singing 'in my mind I'm going to Carolina' are treated as serious illness and as such we do all we can to make you comfortable/ Like letting you in my fucking band. It's too late. You've hurt me too much. Only this now, the same: You are hurting me immensely. Stop it. Album promotion or not, letting 'fans' down or not... I am not in a position at the moment to do the thing that any sane version of myself would do: ie, inform you of the illegaliy of your current efforts to 'bracely soldier on'. WE are the Libertines and you are abusing the strength of your position within the realm of 'intimacy and mechinisation' . Do not fool yourself into fooling yourself. you are not the Libertines now. Peter x (still talking to himself)
Oh but if you carry on, Babyshambles are gonna show you up as the 'jumping someone elses train' industry bumhole stoppers that you always were. hear me now.
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so what do you make of *that* then?
alex
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he really doesn't like Carl and John, does he? So much bitterness.. hang in there Pete. If only things could be different. I mean, historically bands don't have to actually "get on" with each other do they. I'm always hopeful there can be a turnaround, but when you read something like that, it seems impossible now.
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just read that there and, well its not a good read is it. Maybe he's right, maybe he isn't. Fact is, its not the place to be airing dirty laundry Pete. Can you not ring Carl, youve got his number - have it out properly and if its not to be then its not to be. Im sure most people can sympathise, if you see it as 'everyones ok to stay in the band with a problem... as long as it aint Pete'. That does sound shitty, but there's more to it than that i'm sure.
Is the Bilo writing machine more truely happy with friends writing and performing, or would he rather be globing it up? Who's loss is it? This is where the reality of it all kicks in, it was never going to be a fairytale ending... but im still glad I picked up the book.
As for that £1800... well someone's done their fucking maths wrong there lad, cue headshakes. That aint gonna keep the young'un in nappies for long. As ever, theres that onefivezerozero still here for a biloreturn 'wor the bracket' shindingalong. you know where to find me.
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don't know who's right or wrong in the situation, but I know that at least Carl and the others haven't aired anything in public, maintaining their dignity and privacy.
Pete just sounds spoilt.
I'd go and see a Pete-less Libertines above a babyshambles gig anytime though
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I'm glad Pete's being forthright. And, really, I'm curious how the band can represent themselves as the Libertines without him. I'm not trying to start an argument over whether it's fair or not; I mean, legally, I don't understand how they can.
Nonetheless, Peter wrote most of the new album, so the Babyshambles recordings should succeed just as well, I'd think.
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Maybe you wrote the songs, maybe you signed a contract saying all money is divided 25% but formost you are friends. If my best friend did the same thing and cast me out of the friendship over drugs I'd change my ways, because in the end 'getting levered of your face' only worsens lifes problems, its doesn't help you forget, it exentuates them later.
Peter, Skipping gigs and court is fair enough, you obviously don't care, but if your a decent human being, get off your high horse, your not the only member of the Libertines, and so other band members have problems, they don't let it consume them.
Listen to Don't be shy, Don't let your last chance to kepp your friends slip away.
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the problem is he DOES like carl (and john and gary). loves them in fact which, i would think, is why he's so deeply hurt and reacts so bitterly. the more you love someone the more you hurt them... and all that sort of thing.
shame.
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love to both of them.
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When is pete going to realise that all this dirty laundry bullshit doesnt really wash with anyone? A year, six months ago, whatever, there would be 40 messages of support, little one liners saying get well bilo, we are thinking of you peter, come to my house for muffins and ginger beer peter even though i live in the orkneys.....you know the form. The guy is slowly draining away any respect he deserves for his talents. So what if the rest of the band do the hard stuff too? We havent seen John form some splinter band and disrupt the plans of his own major recording artists. We havent seen carlos looking pale and sallow in every fucking two-bob newspaper like we have pete (possibly looking for new ears as the comments are falling on ever deafer ears within our little communities). we know the most of the band do the stuff we also know they are able to deal with it a lot better than you can. unfortunate for you maybe but you're not some thick, certificateless chav dickhead bored on a housing estate, you are one of the most talented people in british music for the last 20 odd years and intelligent to boot with the world at your feet and talents you cannot manufacture - yet you have chosen to envelope yourself in two of the most addictive hard drugs out there, surely aware of the risks and consequences?
Its simple pete - the libertines can survive without you. they did it last year then, despite all you drug-fuelled behaviour, gave you a second chance which you're radiply blowing as every day comes. posting desperate words begging to be allowed to play leeds and reading and totp the evening you've just played to as many people as you can lever into a nightclub in sheffield (five people on stage in total that night, fuck all overheads, the door money mustve gone a long way - especially as there were only supposed to be 80 of us but hey, you're doing it for the kids, right?) - what the fuck did you expect? yes please pete, come back and save us.....pete they dont NEED your shit, they put up with enough of it last year and gave you more than enough chances and support to put things right and you toddled back off to your pipey crowd up the east end. that was your choice not carls, not johns, not garys. i see gary gets it in the neck for being a tad square when out of libertines duties as the mud wont stretch to calling him a smackhead - you even have to have a dig at seemingly the one member of the band whose appeared to be giving you the light of day, good move pete. not only a dig, you allowed him into YOUR band!!! what an arrogant statement that is, the one thing i'd never have expected from our great poet and songwriter. the new libs album is largely old songs and the handful of new ones dont follow the libertines of old lyrically, the great pictures of british life you have so wonderfully painted, they are very sad, open-souled paintings of the problems you and the band seem to have with each other. the whole situation is tragic.....i was desperately hoping it would turn out the way it did last year, the three gigs i saw the band play on your leaving jail were astounding, the forum possibly the best gig i have ever seen, and leeds was going to be the turn-around triumph after last years woes. now its not. its going to be identical to last year - the band soldiering on without you. i dont think theres many people post on this board wouldnt give their right arm to see you back in the band but it aint going to happen if you carry on the way you have chosen.
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"John? shooting smack for two years? Don't worry, we'll stand by you and give you a lift to score and watch and help as a band as you go through it all, beleive in you and give you time and love and of course you come through it. Gary? your all encompassing addictions to knitted jumpers and singing 'in my mind I'm going to Carolina' are treated as serious illness and as such we do all we can to make you comfortable/ Like letting you in my fucking band."
no longer on babyshambles
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I don't think he took that bit out, it says message was edited by www.babyshambles.com not heavyhorse.
Interesting, the plot thickens...
...Fucking hell, why do I care, there is something wrong with me. I have inverted snobbery regarding people who incessantly watch mundane soaps and then here I am, finished work for good yesterday and just about to Phileas Fog it and embark on a round the world trip and I have nothing better to do than look at minute details on a post on a fucking internet message board. Please let me have my life back, I wish there was a rehab for my addiction, how am I going to get my fix when I'm away. I know theres internet cafes but I cant go around the world and garner only a knowledge of the best internet cafes.
HELLLLLLLLPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!
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why would anyone other than peter edit it? surely if it was kirsty and/or kirsty they would have taken out the bit about carl as well? or the whole post
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Was I the only person more annoyed by what he said to Gary? I mean, I could SORT OF see where he was coming from with t'other two, though I still thought there were very harsh words in there, but "we do all we can to make you comfortable/ Like letting you in my fucking band"
????
I move we start a Gary Appreciation Thread!!
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"Album promotion or not, letting 'fans' down or not.."
Well, he's the expert at letting fans down, isn't he? And what's with the fucking inverted commas? Is the great and mighty Pete forgetting who gave him his fucking money to spend on crack in the first place? I kinda wish I'd not bothered reading that.
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Wasn't that a big bit in the NME dual-interviews, that pete reckons there's no difference between doing crack/smack and indulging in nose-up? When everyone else can clearly see there's a world of difference.
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I think it is hypocritical. Either be clean or not - and if you're not don't lose patience with someone cos their drug of choice is different to yours.
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maybe im reading it different from everybody else, but they way i see it is petes very upset with whats going on and rightly so , he has wrote most of the songs on the new album and carl,gary and john are away plaaying them with that other knobhead on guitar. I reckon by reading what he posted sounds like a guy at cracking point fed up with his so called mates taking the piss out of him and he is speaking his mind so i think everything he says is correct apart from slagging gary.........Stix and stones may break my bones ahhh but your words fuckin kill me xxx
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Carl's said it hundreds of times. He wants the fans to hear the songs (and we do, fuck anyone saying they shouldn't do the american dates) and he wants people to get paid. That's what a tour will do. And what's the mini-US tour coming up next week? two days? Peter's bitching and moaning but can't bring himself to put down the pipe for TWO FUCKING DAYS. I remember the last US tour with Peter last April. Peter showing up 5 hours late, bringing dirty homeless men into the dressing rooms and up on stage (to Carl's microphone), Carl leaving a venue in tears. Peter is not right this time.
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tell me how he cant has his armns and legs suddenly fell off or has he lost the power to sing, i seen him a couple of weeks ago and he looked fine to tour to me, yes id love him to quit his drugs problems but he has to do it in the enviroment he is in and his mates ignoring him will just fuel his addictions???
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aye, i saw him on tour a couple of weeks back as well. but his pathetic non-shows prove he's in no fit state of mind to be out gigging. his pathetic ranting demonstrates he's in no fit state of mind to be slagging of carl and john and gary. so what that carl and john also do drugs, that's no surprise to anyone, but they're not fucking up the band, are they? they're not pissing fans around and slagging off those who complain, are they?
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I understand that you are obsessed with Pete but that is the biggest load of bollocks I've read on here in a long time.
1. Pete's upset? Who's fucking fault is that?
2. They're Libertines songs.
3. The replacement guitarist is not a knobhead, he's doing a job, and not an easy one either with tossers calling him names for no reason.
4. Pete's, as you call them, so called mates, are the only real friends he's got and know him a darn sight better than all you sycophants.
5. They are not taking the piss, they are trying to make Pete see sense.
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I think the difference between Carl snorting coke and Pete being addicted to crack/smack is that it doesn't seem to be causing problems for the other members of the band or changing the person he is. That's a guess, I don't know anymore than most others on here what's really going on but please fergiemod, take your rose-tinted spectacles off.
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right ive never claimed to be a friend of pete, im a fan, and no physco the guitarist is a knobhead in my eyes ok i seen him play at t-in the park as for the songs pete wrote them and in my eyes he should be fucking allowed to play them with his so called mates, how can not talking to him be helping , have you ever known a addict, there parinoid and not talking to them makes them worse he needs carl beside him, helping him , locking him up in rehab is the worst that could happen
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shaun ryder took more drugs than anyone and he toured, my shades are off, im just sticking up for some 1 i adore ok, if petes reading all the nasty things people say about him he will probally go away sad and take more crack/smack what pete needs is love...... all you need iss love lalalala
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the amount of smack one takes isn't an indicator of how fucked up they are. I get drunk off one beer, that doesn't mean that someone who can drink 2 beers is an alcoholic. It's obvious to everyone that Peter's taking enough to change what he was.
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I've spoken with this guy and he's a pleasant fellow. Knows exactly what he's there to do. He's not under any delusions that he's "replacing" Peter. He's a guy from Boston making a buck playing guitar in a band he's probably a fan of (why else would an American audition in the first place?). He really doesn't deserve to be slagged.
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Obviously the board is pretty divided into Carl/Libs and Pete camps as to who's right and wrong. I happen to believe that Pete back in the band is a darn sight better for him than out, and that Carl has made the wrong decision. I do accept that this was done for the right reasons though.
What I don't like is when you express your opinion and that is then referred to as bollocks when your accuser doesn't really add anything to whats been said before.
"They're Libertines songs" - yes they are but only because Pete was in the band and they are on the album. Are they going to ask him to write 80% of the next album next time he is allowed back for 6 months?
Don't jump down my throat. I've just read that last paragraph and it doesn't read well, but I can't phrase it any other way. I feel for Pete. I don't agree with a lot of the content of his post but I can see why he feels the way he does.
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Rick The Brief - you have summed up exactly how I see this too.
Also, I can't help thinking that maybe it would be for the best if The Libs called it a day after this album has been promoted. I would rather see Babyshambles rather than a Libertines without Peter and a re-union seems increasingly unlikely with every passing minute. I will be seeing them at the Leeds Festival at the end of Aug, so maybe that is a premature judgement...we shall see.
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OK maybe I was a little harsh as this guy's obviously a kid and I am in a bad mood but
a) I'm not on Carl or Pete's side, I'm a Libertines fan.
b) I feel for Pete too but because he's an addict in a right mess, not because I think he's been treated unfairly because I think a lot of people have bent over backwards to help him.
c) Who wrote what song is irrelevant.
d)As far as I can see he feels the way he does because he's paranoid and in denial. He knows what he needs to do and he doesn't want to do it.
e) It pissed me off to see a session musician getting slagged off for no good reason.
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sort it out pete, youre becoming a junkie dullard. get back with the band, where you belong, make music, write some new songs, make some more proper albums with the libertines, stop acting like a little petulant child who cant wait to badmouth his friends and workmates for the sake of getting some attention.
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its like replacing john lennon with some american dick who can play piona and guitar, im not sayin anymore , there both in the wrong and should be togther ........ come together right now over me .........
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The Beatles didn't need the money. The Libertines do. If you know anything about the way record labels operate (especially in America), you'd know that Carl and co. are probably in debt right now. There's nothing bad to be said about wanting to make a living at what you do.
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i play in a band and were not in it for the money and i dont think there in it for the money either, yes the need money but dont think thats why there touring, there new album wrote by pete will make them some money ........tyeeehhhhh im the taxman
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I think you're being a bit harsh on the guitarist fergie. He's not the one who's done wrong in all of this, whether you blame Carl, Pete, Gary or John, the new guitarist is the least to blame out of everyone. He's just doing a job, it doesn't make him a knobhead and it certainly can't be easy for him.
The Libertines as they are now are doing what they should, playing music. I for one would rather see a Pete-less Libs than no Libs at all. What do you want them to do? Split up completely so they can be another "nearly made it big but fucked it all up" band?
And why should they all let it go just because Pete chose to become addicted to drugs? I'm sure you wouldn't in the same situation. If it bothers you that much, stop being a Libertines fan and become a Babyshambles one instead.
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i am a libertines fan and a big babyshambles fan, ok i shouldnt have called tony a knobhead sorry, but what im trying to say is get pete bk in the band, i know he cant play america just now, but fucks sake carl call him ask how he is take him for a pint ..... cornered the boy kicked out of the world but the world kicked back alot fucking harder....
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look Fergie, if the libertiens are to play round the world at all, they have to do it with someone else because Peter would not be allowed to travel.
Please remember that Peter is not out of the libertines, it's been made clear that he is a libertine in their hearts and that the rest of the band feel that he needs to take time out to sort out the most important problem in his life. namely, drug addiction. to be honest I doubt whether there is anythign else that makes Peter cornered.
Lastly, for the love of The Libertines, let us stop this heisbetterthantheother thing - whomever "he" may be. they are two beautiful people who have regaled us with lovely melodies and tunes, and many laughs and yes, even a few tears of joy and let's forget the sorrow.
yes?
toop toop too too too te dup?
toop toop too too too te dup?
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Just so you're aware - you can be on conditional or unconditional bail. If your bail is unconditional you are allowed to travel anywhere as long as you return for the relevant court date. Having said that I don't know what Pete's conditions are.
If you were to miss a date then a bench warrant would be issued and you would be likely to be remanded in custody or given bail with stringent conditions eg daily reporting or a curfew.
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saying that you must either be pro carl or pro pete is just so very stupid, not to mention childish. Are we back in the playground here kids? How about loving them both to bits and knowing that you know so little about whats going on so cannot judge the decisions that have been made.
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this is my humble opinion
however much i love the babyshambles stuff, what got me hooked was the magic of pete and carl on stage together. that's what the libertines is all about and although i don't think the libertines are much without pete, he will never stop being a libertine.
p.s. fergie. . . i saw you at pete's last monday and i'm so glad you got to meet him and sing with him
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When I first read this post I thought it was a bit stupid and childish but thinking on it. I have no right to think that or judge. I've done exactly the same thing and I'm pretty sure most people have. When I was younger and my Dad was cruel or cold I'd scream blue murder calling him 'an evil bastard' and a 'childbeater' at the top of my lungs. But that was not malice. That was me trying to open his dead eyes and deaf ears to the fact that I was still afuckinglive and no one likes being frozen out. Its just a natural reaction, a cry from the darkness once again. If anything its a sign theres still feelings there, if he'd given up on them for sure he wouldn't bother would he?
As for Gary getting some nasty attention...yeah once again calling from my own experience (its all that I have to work from) I used to do the same thing with my overly perfect beauty queen mother. How could she possibly understand what I was going through or what it was like to be a 14 year old drunk? She couldn't, she just wanted it over. Swept under the carpet along with my demons. It made me think that she was stupid and fickle. So yes even the nice ones get lashed out at.
I'm not a 'Yes Pete' fan. I don't think cries from the darkness are a good tactic and I do believe this may really hurt the others if they read. But this is just the problem being reasoned out and addressed. I just hope Pete realises that this freeze out is about love and not about how easily your Dad turns dead eyes from your world. Not all people ignore you for the same reason and not all moaning is purely selfish and spoiled. (Sorry for the length of this post).
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Erm, ok here we go...
Peter has said on several occasions now that he has tried to get in contact with Carl, by both phoning and writing to him, but to no avail. Cold?
Peter has also said that he's been clean now for a while. Who knows whether this is true or not, but Carl certainly doesn't if he hasn't been in contact with Peter. Surely this at least deserves a look-in?? Give him the benefit of the doubt etc?
Finally, in response to him acting like a child.. well in his eyes, isn't that exactly how he's being treated?? A wag of the finger telling him he's not allowed out to play until he changes his attitude? The boy's desperate to play.. pleading even. It doesn't matter whether you're 14 or 41, it's an awful feeling to be left-out, and everyone knows it!
It's a fucking tightrope (spud) - these situations, and who's to say what's the appropriate way to act/respond, and even if you get it wrong - screw it, 'cause as said, it's difficult. But the current way of dealing with it doesn't seem to be working. It's hard to be objective most of the time because Peter does spill his heart over the internet, and Carl doesn't. But his public pleas to Carl are at least testament of his effort?? Has it been reciprocated by Carl??
A friend in need's a friend indeed.
All these are open questions.
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i can understand why pete's pissed off (despite it being his own fault) although i think it's very unfair for him to broadcast it to the entire world.
he didn't need to post that on the internet. he could have quite easily somehow got that to carl, john and gary. instead he decided to try and get the sympathy vote of everyone on here (naturally - who wouldnt?)and i'm sure lots of people are sick of his running to the tabloids.
and as for carl and john taking drugs aswell, so what? they can cope with it, peter can't. and that's pretty damn obvious.
and picking on the guitar tech is just childish. he has fuck all to do with it. poor guy.
anyway, if that sounded harsh or offensive, sorry, thats just my opinion.
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i have been dipping in and out of this thread all day and i really hate getting sucked into it but.....i just have to say Mu22...i disagree with you.
"Its simple pete - the libertines can survive without you."
...i just dont think you can really believe that. practically all libs material is peters'. and if carl truly believed that they could continue without pete then why would he be saying that if peter doesnt 'sort his shit out' then there will be no further libertines albums.
the libertines cannot survive without peter. whether he wants to be in the libertines or not is a different kettle of spanners.
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Jesus....... i don't know about pete but some of the people on this forum have trouble keeping a grip on reality. For the record, no one really 'copes with drugs' you always think you're in control - coke is no better or worse than brown, but heroin is more instantly addictive - believe me they can both really fuck you up.
Addict does not = loser for fucks sake - there but for the grace of god.......
Any of you other hedonists out there can easily make the same mistakes.
Who cares what other people's interpretations of the Pete / Carl situation are - only they know, and in the rarified air that they've been breathing lately, they seem as confused as the rest of the world. The only way they can ever sort it out is to meet up and talk it through.
I've seen Pete at Wolves & Shrews in the past couple of weeks and the boy can still play like a god, he even managed to win over an old cynic like me. From meeting him and after following the media frenzy closely i would just say this:
The Libertines can carry on without Pete, but they will miss him as much as he misses them. Pete lives to write & play music - whether it's therepy for low self esteem, drug addiction, boredom etc - this does not matter. He misses 2 gigs in London he's 'a waster' - life is not that black or white. Yes, Pete needs help kicking his drug habit but being separated from the band he loves is not helping his recovery / state of mind.
If he's not to be welcolmed back into the Libs fold - get yourself a Babyshambles ticket & see for yourself what the Libs are missing. Maybe then a few of you duffers & mockers will see the light by seeing he can still cut it, and hopefully you'll see fit to stop slagging off such an easy target.
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"get yerself a babyshambles ticket and see what you and the Libs are missing...."
well i went to petes solo gig the other week, great drunken night out, nice to stand a few feet away from the great man and all that bollocks but in the cold light of day if it hadnt have been pete, who the fuck would go to such a wanky gig as that? no one, not that anyones big enough to admit it. also, the novelty of seeing pete in 'intimate surroundings' wears off as fast as it glosses, believe me.
as for 'see what yer missing'......i saw babyshambles in leeds in may and it was fucking awful, a truly sad spectacle of an evening and a great, great man in tatters, again propped up only by it being pete and he can do no fucking wrong which puts a slant on what is an otherwise local band night type of affair.
i want him to get his fucking act together and his brain in gear and ditch the crack, get back where he belongs....before its too late.
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I think it's very hard not to end up on one side or the other, just because, well, you can't help having an opinion.
I don't think either of them is entirely right. Or entirely wrong, come to that. But I wish Peter would stop saying things that you really hope he's going to regret...
And yeah, absolutely, visas. And indeed insurance (I have a friend whose job is precisely getting insurance for things like this. Pete is uninsurable right now). As for the Beatles analogy: I give you Jimmy Nicol, who drummed with the Beatles when Ringo had tonsilitis. Not that I'm drawing any analogy between Pete and Ringo other than that they both have a way with the dry one-liners.
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You know, if I wanted drama, I'd start shit with the most popular girl in my high school, because what's going on with Pete vs. the rest of the band is just really sad to witness.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug. - Rick James R.I.P. foo'
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theres nothing new in all this...i think (the whole drugs thing aside) that the two of them are simply growing apart as people often do. i may well be wrong and to be honest i hope i am. but i dont think anyone knows whats going on really....aaaahhhh tis all speculation!! i just wish happiness to all...
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time and time again ive read this forum and found myself getting annoyed at the total idiots who air their opinions.
No one owns Peter, no one can make him do anything he doesn't wan't to do. If he decides not to turn up at a gig, tough shit. If i went to see him or Babyshambles and he didn'2t turn up id take it like a man and not go crying to nme. Fucking pansies.
All i can hope for is that Peter continues to make music regardless. That will keep me happy.
To be honest i find most of the posts here are by total fucking loonballs. If i was in the band id avoid this place like the plague. Just enjoy the music and stop (like me) making other peoples business your own.
Alan
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Did it ever occur to anyone that the reason Pete isn't with the Libs right now is not some sort of punishment, but just the simple fact that it's too painful for the other members to watch him screw up his talent with drugs, and are unable to watch it anymore?
Ever been around anyone who is massively fucked up with an addiction? There comes a point where you just can't do it anymore. You have to let them know that if they're ready to quit you'll be there for them, but as long as they're still using, you will not be part of it, either actively or passively. You have to walk away.
And the rest of the band (apparently) aren't addicts. Pete is. You can't expect the rest of the world to give up substances just cuz Pete has a problem. He needs to learn to deal with it, or not. And if not, it can't lead anywhere good.
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agreed.
by the time someone is in their mid-20s (early even) he should learn to rise above their emotions and not allow them to dictate behaviour. if only for their own self-preservation. it seems perhaps for every hundred people who offer support and love to peter, it will inevitably be the few nasty ones that will stand out and on which he'll focus more intently.
just a thought.
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i dont really know what to say other than i think this saga has finally gone on for long enough....
I never thought i would reach the point where i would tire of the sight of the libertines in the press....
But it seems this whole thing is just going round and round in circles.
I dont think thay anyone who has posted on this page is wrong. We all have the right to our own opinions and thank god we live in a country where we have a right to freedom of speech....
I cant even begin to imagine what Pete is going through. I have never been or ever known an addict so dont know how the drugs make you act or react.
It saddens me because i sit and look at photographs taken of the band over the last couple of years and see how happy and close they seem.
Pete must really feel disillusioned at the moment but to lauch an attack on your friends.. im not sure that is the right way to go and cant think how this can help, But hey this is only my opinion.
Someone said that u must be in either the pete camp or the carl camp- i did think i was in Carls but now i really dont know what to think. I feel it is time for both sides to sort this out once and for all.
This great band that has done so much to change peoples lives are fast becoming a tabloids dream and for all the wrong reasons. God how mant bands over the world would give their heart and soul to be as influential as the Libertines?
To pete i would wish that he firstly sorts his head out as it is very painfully apparent that he is not a well man.
And to the rest of the band i would say that i hope that one day you can accept pete back into the fold and i understand that this can only be done when pete is rid of his demons and drugs.
I sincerley hope that watching the libertines in March earlier this year was not the first and the last time that i see them all together as they should be.
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Hey you just made me wanna be a hippie! I don't know how to feel about that...oh Lord.
And yeah I get your point about age but maturity/immaturity aside its hard to go through anything thinking anyones ignoring you or looking down on you. If the same thing happened to me now? I think I'd still behave the same way...except you know...it would be legal.
Also yeah poor fill-in guy doesn't deserve any spite.
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I dunno who started the band, the history or stuff, but when you`ve got two lead singer songwriters in one band there are going to be egos even if they started out as friends. I can only compare it to my situation last year when I let my best mate Scotts help me out on a few jobs painting houses. First few days were great, it was a pleasure to go to work. then he starts going, I reckon we should do it like that or why are we doing it that way and I`m getting a bit pissed off with that, then he starts bringing booze to work, then he cant work coz he`s making goulash(he`s a magyar)for some bird he met, then he`s so drunk one day he starts shaking my ladder while I`m 50 m up the bloody thing. I told him to f off I can tell you. Noone shakes my ladder and I told him that and he said well I`m gonna do it so bollocks to you. So I sacked him. After that everyone, me sister etc,, says what wrong you two are best friends and I dont want to tell em the all so I say he`s looking at the ladies panties on the washing line and (whisper) taking some home..
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Surely by now every one who cares enough to be following this thread has met pete. He is kind, witty but above all just seems tragically vunerable, and whether we like it or not that is why so many people adore him. It makes him accesible and real. But what makes him so vunerable is that he is tragically flawed. Surely though, carlos knows this more than any one, And that makes me wonder is it tough love or is he just fed up. Either way that is fine but it is unfair to leave Pete grasping at something that is looking increasingly like it will never happen.
Just one of many opinions I know but any thoughts? x x x
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Possibly, although I know that he has commitments, financial ones I mean. But I just think Pete is being fucked with at a very inopportune time. Ever tried to get hold of your partner or worse ex and she wont answer? Surely that post is fairly simalar to what most of us would be saying or at least thinking.
Whatever Carlos is going to know he should get in contact with Pete tell him he still lobes him and do what he has to from there,
There u go, its that simple!!
If only!!!! x
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Okay, I've notice how quite a few people seem to think that Carl's being cold and neglectful by not allowing Pete to contact him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do remember reading an interview with Carl where he said he didn't want to talk to Pete because he'd manipulate Carl into allowing him to join the band again.
Maybe that's what it is, really. Carl not wanting to weaken his resolve and stick to his difficult decision.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug. - Rick James R.I.P. foo'
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pete's a tabloid dream. someone in the spotlight who'll sell his darkest secrets for cash and reveal those of his friends for free. i hope none of my mates would ever reveal my secrets in such a spiteful manner.
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I supppose Carl/John/Gary have to tour america regardless of whether Pete wants them to or not, or whether Carl is trying to hurt Pete or not. They must have spent a bit on Pete's failed re-hab and need to make that money back.
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i dont think a few hundred or thousand on rehab is gonna break the bank, as musicians do earn a fair bit, its more important they carry on to be defiant to pete that they really will carry on without him if needs be, not that any of them want that i am sure
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