James Pilmer/Pilmoor born 1825 lived in West End Street, Kirkby Moorside and was a blacksmith. Parents Matthew, and Betty Garbutt. He married Sarah Lancaster in Leeds, 1846. Known children are Samuel and Sarah, my great grandmother. I`d like to hear from descendants and am especially interested in any family stories. Did James work in the Pilmoor foundry in West End Street? What was his appearance? etc
I have read a few of your messages in various forums, and Sarah Pilmoor is my great great grandmother. I would like to know where you got your various dates of information from whether it was the IGI or the church records at the archives. I do have 1 picture that has 4 generations including Sarah herself.
We have been up in Kirbymoorside this weekend doing research, but need to go back during the week as Northallerton Archives is closed on weekends. So we hope t do that soon.
Also if you wish you can take a look at what we have so far on the family tree as it is published on my website and the address is as follows
www.schofield1.karoo.net , I hope this may be of some help to you please let me know if there are any questions or anything I can help with. You can e-mail straight off the site if you wish as it is same e-mail addy as the 1 given above
Re your enquiry as to my sources I have birth and marriage certificates for most of my direct ancestors back to 1837, plus a few death certificates. I`ve checked all the census returns and relevant parish registers. The IGI was a help...up to a point. However...
Here`s the rub. We both went wrong in identifying the wrong Isaac Pilmoor as the father of Sarah`s grandfather Matthew Pilmoor born 1792. We both found Isaac son of George of Wombleton, bpt 5 May 1776 who seemed to be the only one around even if he did marry in 1788! Personally I assumed it was just a late baptism.
In fact the correct Isaac Pilmoor is the son of a Quaker couple, Michael Pilmoor and Mary Snowdon, born in Fadmoor 24 November 1763. Michael and Mary were married in a Quaker ceremony in September 1749. Isaac also had an elder brother called...Matthew! None of this appears on the IGI but is recorded in the records of the Guisborough Monthly Meeting of Friends (the area included much of N Yorks)which I examined recently while looking for another Quaker line which also feeds into our family tree on Matthew`s wife`s side. It turns out her grandmother was also a Quaker.
I don`t seem able to contact you by email but if you care to get in touch I`ll be happy to share. You seem to have more detailed info on Sarah`s children than I have but I`m not sure how your info and mine hangs together.
Thank you so much for responding to my message. Yes we also presumed it was a late baptism as we have had a few in different strings of our family trees.
Are we certain this Isaac is the right one and how would we access the information we are needing? This is a new one on us, first time we have come across any quakers. So will be very interesting. It is nice when you finally have contact with a distant family member, also am really looking forward to seeing how our families merge and where.
It's very exciting, and I hope we can help each other. Do you have any copies of the information you have recently gained. Also you mention the quaker line also being on Elizabeth (aka Betty) Garbutt's side (Matthews wife) so would be interesting to see what you have come across with that too.
I am presuming having put my e-mail address into this reply that you can now access this? If not please leave a message and will somehow send it to you.
Many, many thanks and look forward to hearing from you.
I`ve only just seen your message. Since I wrote last, I`ve obtained a copy of a book which goes into amazing detail about the Pilmoors. It is "Water from the Moors" by Isabel Anne McLean, published by North York Moors National Park Authority in 2005 and available (praise be!) through the internet on their website. The book deals with the life and works of Joseph Foord, an 18th century water engineer who devised an ingenious means of getting water to the towns and farms in Ryedale. Foord is a Pilmoor cousin of our Michael and the father of Joseph Pilmoor, the founder of Methodism in North America; so two famous relatives for the price of one! Much of this book gives detailed accounts of the Pilmoor Quakers of Fadmoor from whom we descend.
Betty Garbut`s mother was Mary Johnson of Farndale. Thanks to the Dade system the grandparents are also named in the Register as William Johnson and Rachel. Mary Johnson was the first daughter of the second marriage of Rachel Johnson nee Breckon who was a Quaker widow with three children when she married William Johnson of Farndale. Breckon being her first husband`s name. After he died, Rachel was in trouble with the Friends` Monthly Meeting for consorting with a person of mean conversation (presumably William)and thus bringing the movement into disrepute. There are various references in the minute book of Guisborough Monthly Meeting (copy at Northallerton Record Office) She promised to mend her ways but didn`t and then married outwith the sect although remaining in contact (a subsequent child`s birth was entered in their records).
In 1749 Michael Pilmoor and Mary Snowdon married according to Quaker usage. Isaac was born 1763, "son of Michael and Mary Pillmoore of Kirby Meeting". You won`t find this stuff on the IGI!
The book I mentioned traces the Fadmoor Pilmoors down to Michael and gives family trees so it`s comprehensive in its approach.