Look at Wine's recruits over the years they haven't produced. Last year the best players were Hindy's recruits. This year Ernst and Blackburn are the best players and they aren't Wine's recruits either. This is year 4 for this group we should see these recruits doing something. What are these JUCO guys doing for the program nothing but taking up spots from players from around the region. Obviously those players around the region are okay because they are beating the team now with other teams.