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A Positive

by JT (no login)

PSU won one yesterday against the bottom dweller. WOO-HOO - a win.

How's that for positive?

Posted on Apr 21, 2007, 2:10 PM

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Another positive

by JT (no login)

We swept yesterday. Have no score from today.

Where are the citicizers of negative threads today? We have a positive - participate. Fill us in on stats etc.

Posted on Apr 22, 2007, 6:38 PM

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PSU Sweeps The Basement Dweller

by JT (no login)

Took all 4 games, by golly. Time to set off fireworks.

Posted on Apr 23, 2007, 9:17 AM

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Re: PSU Sweeps The Basement Dweller

by Anonymous (no login)

I smell contract extension!

Posted on Apr 23, 2007, 11:13 AM

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Speaking of that...

by Anonymous (no login)

I heard that in the search for the new womens hoops coach, the search committe was told not to consider absolutely a-n-y-b-o-d-y associated in any way to Rene Portland. Guess what happened? It became a legitimate search and nobody's friends were hired, and nobody poisoned with The Penn State Way, etc. I kinda thought they tried to do that when hiring a baseball coach. I notice that Penn State doesn't hire head coaches for anything. Always an assistant and then tries to make them into a head coach. Some coaches are better suited to be assistant for life.

Posted on Apr 23, 2007, 12:25 PM

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smelling

by jellydoughnut (no login)

Speaking of smelling I saw a former pitcher down in the bullpen area this past weekend, and he was eating a cheesesteak from the locker room! I love seeing alumni interact with current players

Posted on Apr 24, 2007, 4:11 PM

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I posted this on the 16 -i deferred

by Anonymous (no login)

Well a lot of talk was thrown around about how much better MSU was than PSU and their record was testimonial enough about how great their coaching is vs PSU's. Can't really say I know a whole lot about their coach, (or really even about ours) but after this week end, I'd say we didn't stack up all that poorly against them. As I have been saying all along, give Wine a chance. Are we a powerhouse? no way! Can we compete in the B10, absolutely, no question about it!
Minnesota, one of the consistently better programs in the B10 SQUEAKED by taking two of three. Iowa, a major dissapointment in dismall conditions. MSU (second in the B10 coming into this weekend) we take three of four. We have a lot to work on, but if pitching can hold up, and hitting continues to come around as they did this weekend, then I really like our chances.
GO PSU!!!


Posted on Apr 21, 2007, 11:14 PM

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You want a cookie?

by LionFan (no login)

they stack up against the bottom teams in the league!

Posted on Apr 22, 2007, 12:36 PM

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Mount St. Mary's Put a Whoopin On Us

by Jeff (no login)

Well you have to laugh. Robbie Whine beat up and beat up good by the nuns of little ole Mount St Mary's. Where will it all end this season?

Posted on Apr 19, 2007, 9:13 AM

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That has bene said here before

by JT (no login)

There is no consistency with Wine's teams. Sometimes they show brilliance and other times shabby play. That is 100% a coaching problem when a team is not consistent.

Posted on Apr 19, 2007, 12:39 PM

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Finally!!!

by LionFan (no login)

People are starting to open their eyes!

Posted on Apr 19, 2007, 1:38 PM

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Give me a break

by Anonymous (no login)

Nothing has been posted about last weeks wins against MSU. Why is that? But all of the sudden posts on the loss. I totally agree that was a terrible loss but they used freshman pitchers with very little experience. In my mind mid-week games are designed to give those pitchers much needed experience.

The team is improving every series and I expect this to continue.

Pitching has been great and hitting is starting to improve. This board should be used to support the team not bash Robbie Wine.

So give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Apr 19, 2007, 7:19 PM

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So why didn't YOU post a positive?

by JT (no login)

Give me a break. Each person has the power to start a thread. If you can't post a positive don't bust on anyone else.

Posted on Apr 20, 2007, 8:09 AM

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Serious Question

by JT (no login)

I know most of you are sensible so my question goes to you and not the "everybody but PSU is a criminal/cheater" types.

In the past decade or less, Ohio State has put their money where their mouth is. WHY has OSU consistently put good teams into play. Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc. OSU has done somthing right with theirs sports programs that PSU has not done, but surely wishes they could do. Opinions?

Posted on Mar 28, 2007, 9:08 PM

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Re: Serious Question

by Anonymous (no login)

Yeah you can say Ohio State puts their money were their mouth is, but Penn State is more than an athletic school, it prides itself on its academics, and that is where the schools morales are and will stay!!

Posted on Mar 29, 2007, 8:46 AM

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Wrong

by Fred (no login)

Don't place Ohio State in the same category with some SEC teams. The academic standards at Ohio State match PSU's. Same goes with Michigan and Purdue.

I don't have an answer for the poster, but a commitment to quality coaching and expecting winning seasons will always win out over the inbred status perpetuated in the PSU sports program.

Posted on Mar 29, 2007, 11:14 AM

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BigTen

by PSULION (no login)

Agreed, for the most part, the BigTen is fairly well known for having above average academic universities.

With respect to putting out quality teams year in year out....I think that has to do w/ the fact that PSU was not aligned w/ the Big Ten until the early 90's. Penn State was and for the most part still is, only known as a football school (you can probably throw wrestling and Volleyball from an athletic standpoint) because we played all the big schools as an Independent prior to joining the BigTen. W/o this conference affiliation, baseball and basketball are not nearly as recognized. It'll be tough to gain that reputation as an elite baseball/basketball school especially considering we have only won 1 Big-Ten championship in baseball and only advanced to the tourney once since joining the bigten. Basketball has had moments of 'brilliance', but very similiar to baseball, no consistency. With all the new facilities, including the Jordan Center and The Med, I think (hope) we'll eventually get there, but you can't expect it to happen overnight.

I know the Med has a lot of seats, but come on 1000+ people at the opener....that's it?? For those of you that have been to watch a game at a powerhouse (ie. Texas, Texas A&M, Miami, Georgia Tech, etc...), they'd fill up the Med, especially for the opener...EASY. Don't tell me about the weather, no excuse! We need someone working their a$$ off to market the Med and the baseball team. You want to put a winner out there....you need to establish an atmosphere that's contagious to winning as well as a place that top notch highschool kids would want to be a part of when they witness this atmosphere!....ie...get people out the game!!

Posted on Mar 29, 2007, 12:18 PM

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Thanks for responses so far

by JT (no login)

I agree with PSU Lion. Even at Beaver Field, they had 1,000 in attendance so it will feel like a lot less in the bigger venue. Per season, Ohio state averages 2-3,000 PER GAME. Would surprise me if PSU will ever get 2,000 for just one ball game. Ohio State made some kind of commitment to athletics in the past decade and I wish we could do the same. The BJC has been around for years now but that facility did nothing for the quality of teams we put on the boards year in and year out.

Posted on Mar 29, 2007, 12:50 PM

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Re: Thanks for responses so far

by bing bong (no login)

Last year at home we averaged 472 at the games. Actually, 1000+ people at a collegiate baseball game is very good. We could do better, but I think it was a good start. Also, if you want to draw fans, you have to win. So c'mon Lions contend for the B10 and we'll get those big crowds like Texas, LSU, etc. Gotta have a solid program before you get a fan following. Horse before the cart guys.

Posted on Mar 29, 2007, 8:27 PM

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Re: Serious Question

by lovePSU (no login)

Guys, i went around campus and asked people where the Baseball game was on Friday. most didn't even know their was a game. Soem did not know where the stadium was. No one knew what time the gaame was. I asked at places like the HUB, the Creamery, Hooters.
Seems like most don't even know we play baseball. When i brought it up, some were surprised and said they would like to go.

No signs around campus at meeting places, bars, dorms. It's really quite simple. But seems no one is taking charge.

Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 2:18 AM

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Maybe...

by LionFan (no login)

that's because the team is 5-15! Why would you want to promote crap? HEY EVERYBODY, LET'S GO WATCH BAD BASEBALL! or COME ON OUT AND SEE OUR TEAM GET BEAT! When and if we get a team that can compete, that is when you should spend money on trying to get people to fill the seats. The more people that come out and see how BAD we are, the better the chances are of the coaches getting fired! How long are we going to wait? When we get new coaches in here, are we going to give them 4-5 years to suck too?

When you look at the schedule, we can't even beat teams that we are supposed to. Centenary and Central Conn. State are supposed to be "NO BRAINERS" or for sure wins. What's sad is, Bucknell and Kent State are too. But you never know because, we are not a good D-1 team. It doesn't look to me like we are moving in the right direction!

Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 1:06 PM

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I have to Agree

by Ayron W. (no login)

Ok Slobby Whine (I mean that as a joke, really) has been here long enough now that this should be his turnabout year. There's lots of time left but this team seems like our basic average every year medium grade team with erratic brillance balanced by terrible ineptness. (Well hey, guess you can say the team does have balance.) If we don't at least make playoffs, time for this coaching stuff to be run out of town.

Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 3:12 PM

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Re: I have to Agree

by The Truth (no login)

Just a question have we seen positive changes from the coaching staff? I don't know but before we start calling for people's jobs remember this is a real person have we given him enough time? Are there signs of improvement? You have to remember he has Zero head coaching experiance and he is learning on the fly so maybe the school gives him more time. Just a thought I'm not a backer or a hater.

Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 3:25 PM

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Maybe

by Ayron W. (no login)

But isn't this his 4rd year? Last year we didn't make playoffs. How long do we wait? I got nothing against the man either but what is reasonable time to expect improvements, which I really haven't seen, considering the big hype that a new park will draw better players. Look at hoops, DeChellis has not gotten the job done but he recently got a job extension. How much do we take there?

Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 4:36 PM

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Time's Up

by LionFan (no login)

Wine has had plenty of time to make a move. If he was going to turn it around, it would have happened by now. We've gotten worse since he got here. Go through and look at their recruits vs. the guys already here. No impact players!!! If there is, tell me who?

You wrote about Wine still learning to be a head coach! Guess what!?!? You do that in JUCO or at a lower level. So don't give me that nonsense about give him time.

We need someone in here who can win now, and obviously who already knows how to be a head coach!

Maybe if we had an Athletic Director that knew how to pick quality coaches, we wouldn't have this problem.



Posted on Apr 3, 2007, 5:51 PM

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Comment

by Anonymous (no login)

This is a major D-1 University and we need to hire the guy to get the job done at this level. Doesn't matter where he comes from as long as he is the best. So "learning the job" is BS as you say. Case in point of a great coach in his sport is Bobby Knight. He went into Texas and made a tremendous impact his first year. This is Penn State and we suck in basketball because we have a coach who can't coach yet he is the AD's buddy so he stays. What a waste! And we suck in baseball too. What another waste!

Posted on Apr 4, 2007, 8:38 AM

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I agree

by Fred (no login)

I agree with him/her and the others in this thread.

Posted on Apr 4, 2007, 8:20 PM

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Re: I agree

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Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 4:22 AM

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Easier said than done

by lovePSU (no login)

OK, everyone (probably Wine included) will agree we are not performing as well as we should be, or hoped to at this point in the season. But we can't go blaming everything on the coach, nor start comparing Baseball w/ Basketball. Two completly differnt animals when it comes to recruiting. Basketball = everyone plays in similar enviroments (or at least major programs do, facility wise)
True, the Juco's have not performed to their billing....but they will, or at least should. Considering they were all top in their conferences and their teams, and they ALL came from TOP Tier teams(top 10 programs in country). I expect them to come around soon (or at least pray they do).
This is NOT Wine's 4th year, it is his 3rd. That means he only has two recruited classes. And yes, he tried to jump start it with "top notch" Jucos along with typical project freshman. Remember, his first year was with inherited recruits.
Now, how hard is it to recruit for Penn State (a team without storied history for Baseball, and until this year, the worst facilities in the B10.) Even this years recruits were recruited in October of 2005 w/out benifit of new facility. Were do the best players go, (the ones that can make an immediate impact on the success of this team? SOUTH.... look, the entire B-10 had their schedule canceled this week due to COLD weather and SNOW. This is not Basketball, it BASEBALL!
IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO MAKE THIS TEAM A PERENIAL POWER. That is always hard to swallow when we desperately want winners TODAY!
In the mean time, YES, WE CAN PROMOTE THE TEAM (AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT) AND OUR RECORD AT HOME IS NOT TERRIBLE.
LETS ALL SUPPORT THE TEAM, GET THE STUDENTS OUT TO WATCH AND HOPEFULLY, WIN A LOT MORE GAMES. GO PSU

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 4:41 AM

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Re: Easier said than done

by The Truth (no login)

I think its hard to bring kids in from Florida, California, Texas, and other warm weather states butfigure it out. Kids from above the Mason Dixon line know it is cold and we have always drawn good players from NY, NJ, PA, and other surrounding states. I dont want to hear about the weatherits not like it just started getting cold in State College. He needs to figure this outbesides Wines kid the majority of the best players were recruited by the former staff.

Look at MSU they brought in a new staff during the same time and right now they are second in the big ten sure they havent played anyone but they are in a better spot today than we are inmaybe its time to stop blaming the players the weather and everything else and maybe say Mr. Wine is in over his head.


Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 10:58 AM

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True True True

by Ayron W. (no login)

And also he should know that nobody is comparing baseball to basketball either. I see the sameness in the two sports. Bioth struggling teams under less than the best management.

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 12:26 PM

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i will deffer till this weekend

by lovePSU (no login)

You use MSU as an example. I will defer further comment until after this weekend. HOPEFULLY, we'll see were not as bad off as everyone thinks.
Just call me overly optomistic.

Posted on Apr 10, 2007, 2:50 PM

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Re: i will deffer till this weekend

by Anonymous (no login)

Given the Choice I would take MSU's coaching staff.

Posted on Apr 10, 2007, 7:09 PM

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Re: i will deffer till this weekend

by l (no login)

Thing is, you're not given the choice! And.... Coach's need to be given a chance.
Its not like Wine came into a top ranked program and destroyed it, or even hurt it. Looks like, to date, its been on even par with the past programs. I will admit, that even par with "sub par" performance is not acceptable. But time must be allowed.



Posted on Apr 16, 2007, 2:13 PM

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PLEASANTLY SURPRISED.....I deferred!

by lovePSU (no login)

Well a lot of talk was thrown around about how much better MSU was than PSU and their record was testimonial enough about how great their coaching is vs PSU's. Can't really say I know a whole lot about their coach, (or really even about ours) but after this week end, I'd say we didn't stack up all that poorly against them. As I have been saying all along, give Wine a chance. Are we a powerhouse? no way! Can we compete in the B10, absolutely, no question about it!
Minnesota, one of the consistently better programs in the B10 SQUEAKED by taking two of three. Iowa, a major dissapointment in dismall conditions. MSU (second in the B10 coming into this weekend) we take three of four. We have a lot to work on, but if pitching can hold up, and hitting continues to come around as they did this weekend, then I really like our chances.
GO PSU!!!

Posted on Apr 16, 2007, 10:04 PM

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In the end, the players have to deliver

by PSULION (no login)

You know...this board is all about coach bashing...Hindelang, Ford, Ramsey and now Wine. In all fairness, despite Hindelangs knack for little league 1st and 3rd base running plays AND his uncontrollable waving arm in the 3rd base coaching box encouraging baserunners to round the corner only to get nabbed at the plate by 5 feet, his teams won the only Big-Ten title, went to the Super Regionals and advanced to the Big Ten tourney a majority of the time after winning the Big Ten tournament, but what do we say when this happens....the PLAYERS won these games despite the coach. Believe me, these teams were NOT loaded w/ guys from FL, CA, TX, OK, Juco's and wherever else, infact there were a # of walk-ons that more than contributed (all from the NE)to the efforts.

So is it the players or the coaches???

Bottom line is these guys, w/ or w/o Wine's coaching 'expertise' have to get some confidence and string along some wins. I understand that coaches can be blamed for a few losses during the season, but to chalk up Wine as the sole reason is a little irrational.

Oh...and PITT and there coach is NOT the best team in PA, give me a break.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 2:56 PM

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Re: In the end, the players have to deliver

by The Truth (no login)

Its the Players...you want to be a good coach have good players. Its not about the X's and O's its about the Jimmys and Joes.

Look at Torre is he a great coach or does he always have the best players? I think is some of both but mostly he usually has the best players.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 3:51 PM

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Guess what?!

by LionFan (no login)

The coaches are responsible for the players that are here! Dah...they recruited them! Just goes to show that if the players suck, the coaches suck at recruiting. The fact that they can't make it work with what they've got, shows they suck at coaching and developing players. What more needs to be said? Get 'em outta here!!!

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:55 PM

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thanks for the clarification

by PSULION (no login)

thanks for clarifying the recruiting process. So, Wine's recruiting class is in it's sophomore season and we're going to start running him out of town b/c they couldn't win against some elite pre-bigten talent? He needs atleast another 2 years before one can judge his recruiting and coaching efforts. You can't expect every recruit to come into a program and make significant contributions right out of the gate (fresh/soph years).

I do partially agree w/ your statement about developing/coaching and their lack of 'developing' a player into a legitimate power hitter. Oklahoma State is known for producing some bigtime power hitters including the all-time HR leader in Pete Incaviglia...can we continue this philosophy here at PSU?! Are they getting away from this philosophy or can these guys only take it deep in BP? 8 total HRs this season thru 26 games??

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 4:19 PM

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No problem...

by LionFan (no login)

you're welcome! If you are unsure about anything else, just ask. I'm here for you.

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 5:49 PM

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I appreciate that...

by PSULION (no login)

Thanks!

Michigan State this weekend...a sweep about now would be nice.

By the way, take a look at what's in store for Michigan State baseball courtesy of Mark Mulder and Kirk Gibson. Looks pretty nice!

http://msuspartans.cstv.com/view.gal?id=4284&template=player_gallery

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 11:22 PM

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I've said...

by LionFan (no login)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter who you bring in here or from what juco program. If you don't have a coach who knows how to development talent, and teach, I repeat, TEACH the game of baseball, you will suck every year! We don't have a coach like that. Good coaches who know how to teach and develop players can go within a 300 mile radius of campus and recruit enough talent to compete at the Division 1 level. Imagine if we had a guy like that who could go anywhere. Instead, we have coaches who like to drink and chase skirt.

We have enough talent to win some ballgames. We just don't have a smart enough coach to make it happen. Let's get a coach who will make things happen! There are plenty out there!



Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 1:02 PM

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Pitt

by diamonddawg (no login)

Pitt has no field & 8 scholarships yet they continue to win and develop players. What they do have are coaches. 20 some pro players in the past 8 years and played for the BE championship in 2005. Look at their roster mostly kids from PA and a few from NY/NJ. Their team plays hard and you can tell they know how to play the game.

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 3:00 PM

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Dawg

by Ayron W. (no login)

That is an excellent point. If a guy can coach, he will coach and can coach ANYBODY.

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 4:09 PM

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Perfect...

by LionFan (no login)

Perfect example!!!

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 6:34 PM

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Re: Pitt

by bing bong (no login)

PSU beat Pitt pretty bad in 2005 in Altoona and beat them again last year at Falconi Field in Washington, Pa. Pitt's program is not very good and Jordano is not a very good coach. It is a pretty widely known fact around Pittsburgh. Simply ask the players.

Posted on Apr 9, 2007, 7:11 PM

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Re: Pitt

by The Truth (no login)

7-4 in the Big East isn't too bad they took two games from ND and two from Louisville.

Posted on Apr 10, 2007, 10:43 AM

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Please

by diamonddawg (no login)

The best players in Pa are going to Pitt. jordano has won more games at Pitt than anyone and has developed an impressive number of kids. Obviously, you do not know baseball in western pa. He is in the top 40 winningest active coaches in D1 baseball....not a very good coach?

Posted on Apr 10, 2007, 12:00 PM

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Re: Please

by bing bong (no login)

The best players in pa are not going to Pitt! As to Jordano's record--if any team played the patsies he plays year in and year out as a pre-season they would also have a wonderful winning record. This is where Wine is making a mistake with PSU, he plays too many outstanding teams in OOC and the team has trouble rebounding for wins. Pitt's outstanding pre-season OOC schedule includes powerhouses: Youngstown State (loss), Virginia Tech (joke in the conference), St. Joseph's (2x), Lehigh, Lipscomb (DII or III, and lost), Belmont (DII or III-joke and lost), Sacred Heart (3x). Now as to ND, they are NOT very good this year with a new coach no less. In fact, their powerhouse schedule included loses to: Sacred Heart, Harvard (are you kidding me?), Texas State, Iowa (killed them 8-1), Florida Gulf Coast CC (where Yodice is from), Central Michigan, Cincinnati (lost twice). Lousiville, you guessed it, here are there powerhouses: Northwestern State, Stetson (Lost 2x), Morehead State, Murray State, Illinois State, Indiana State, Kent State (Loss!), Xavier, don't think I need to go on. PITT AIN'T IT!!! I'm not saying PSU is great. Wine better start winnning. But to play the OOC schedule he puts together and then go into B10 play is nuts. Those guys are so down by the time the schedule rolls around they can't pull their heads from their arse. That needs to change. Hopefully, Wine realizes that and next year will be a more Pitt-like OOC and we can soak up some patsies. Jordano has done this for years. Their field sucks and they get 0 fan support. Pitt is not a better program and we've beaten them the last 2 years which tells me all I need to know.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 9:27 AM

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Check the Record

by diamonddawg (no login)

Sounds like you are close to the situation. Lipscomb University beat Auburn on the road. Beat LSU twice on the road. Pitt lost to Vanderbilt in the ninth, 4-3 and Coastal Carolina in its first game of the year. Virgina Tech ("joke in the league') also beat Georgia Tech 2x this season.
Notre Dame also beat Nebraska big. As i looked at Pitt's lineup yesterday, they started 6 freshmen/sophomores. If it is true that they only have 8 scholarships, that leaves them 3.7 short, which is a lot of money to spend on at least 4-5 more players. I would find it hard to beleive that the majority of the teams that they play are not fully funded. That, my friend, is a BIG disadvantage.

BTW, Pitt's on average RPI is in the 100-120 range.

Sounds like you bing bong are just a sore ding dong.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 11:30 AM

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Re: Check the Record

by bing bong (no login)

First you tell me how good Pitt is. Then you tell me they beat ND and Lousiville. (Down programs obviously) Then you tell me what a phenominal coach they have when I am familiar with their program and players--who say Jordano is a goof. I've met the man, he's an arrogant goof at that. On top of that you tell me how they get all the best players in Pa WITH ONLY 8 SHIPS (which makes no sense)!! They've played nothing but patsies for years in OOC. The last two times they played PSU they lost--2005 was a beating. Then you try to show me schedules from the patsies that they played. Baseball is played in a series because anyone can win a game here & there. PSU by the way beat the #1 team in the country!!!!!--obviously that doesn't make them great, as their other results clearly show. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Pitt, plain and simple is not very good (which is widely known around Pittsburgh)and you my friend are a YING-YANG for even suggesting it!!

PSU is not very good right now. They have talent (and yes, some of the best from Pa and the WPIAL--Jordano's back yard)that is not producing and Wine needs to handle that or move on.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 5:02 PM

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Re: Please

by The Truth (no login)


Why are you defending this guy? Seriously

Central Connecticut State we lost to Central Connecticut State and your bashing other teams? Central Connecticut State...I feel like Iverson with Practice...Central Connecticut State...Seriously? Central Connecticut State.



Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 11:53 AM

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Re: Please

by bing bong (no login)

I'm not defending Wine or the results posted so far. He needs to get his act together and turn his teams around. As to Central Connecticut State--again PSU lost to a team they should not have. However, CCSU had very nice college pitching, and they are not a horrible program as you suggest. In fact, they have made the NCAA tourney 4 of the last 6 years and have won their conference 5 of the last six years. That's right "THE NCAA TOURNEY", "THE SHOW", "THE PLACE ALL PROGRAMS WOULD LIKE TO ACHEIVE". The Northeast Conference is nothing to brag about, but they win it almost EVERY year. So, before you jump all over a program, note the history first. BTW, Kent State has been a very respectable baseball program over the years and used to be outstanding!! Along the likes of "better than OSU". John Van Benschoten, a pitcher, was a first round draft choice from Kent State not but about 4-5 years ago. Again, most people don't think much of Kent State until you look into it.

Now as to Wine and the state of PSU baseball? He needs to show some improvement in the next year or two or get the boot. Period.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 5:52 PM

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Re: Please

by The Truth (no login)

It sometimes seems like you would defend him till his death...Its hard to sweep a team no matter how much better you are then them (Us beating UNC)

We all want the same thing a winning team on the field and a product we all can be proud of, I think our expectations were to high from the start and we didn't realize that Hindy didn't do a that bad of a job...sure he was a clown from time to time but if his teams didn't make the playoffs it was a surprise.

Posted on Apr 11, 2007, 6:15 PM

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To be honest though -

by JT (no login)

When 60% of the teams in the Big Ten go to the tournament, its isn't that great an accomplishment to get there. And it's pretty shameful not to get there - as in last year. Penn State Athletics is poor at picking quality coaching.

Posted on Apr 12, 2007, 8:39 AM

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Look on the Bright Side

by Annony (no login)

We'll never have to worry about finding some place to park in Lot 44 with all the ESPN media trucks there covering PSU Baseball.

We won't ever have to hear ad nauseum about the coaching legend of PSU Baseball.

We won't have to sit through any boring ceremonies honoring all the major league former PSU players.

We won't EVER have to worry that one of our coaches will leave for another team and then come back and kick our butts with the new powerhouse team they coach.

We certainly won't have to worry that any school is going to come in here and try to steal one of our coaches away form us. By golly, it's a relief knowing we don't have that worry.

There are likely a lot of other bright spots also.

Posted on Apr 12, 2007, 4:02 PM

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Re: Look on the Bright Side

by The Truth (no login)

Games Being Sold out or Scalpers!

Posted on Apr 12, 2007, 5:38 PM

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Re: Look on the Bright Side

by Anonymous (no login)

was it like that where you played college baseball?

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 10:06 AM

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Re: Look on the Bright Side

by The Truth (no login)

I am a PSU alum and former player...all I know is that our teams would have drawn decently when we played if we had the stadium.

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:07 PM

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TheTruth

by Fred (no login)

You play for Howdy Doody?

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:12 PM

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Re: Look on the Bright Side

by Fred (no login)

Never have to worry about women latching on to the players or trying to have their babies in hopes of the big paycheck at the next level.

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:10 PM

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Re: Look on the Bright Side

by The Truth (no login)

I did play for Hindy,

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:20 PM

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You do however...

by LionFan (no login)

have to worry about the possibility of one of our coaches knocking up a student, faculty, or even someone's MOM. That is when ESPN would come and fill the parking lot. Nah, that wouldn't be enough to bring out the cameras.

I just hope when they go down, our reputation doesn't go with them.

Posted on Apr 13, 2007, 1:42 PM

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Ramsey

by jellydoughnut (no login)

I would def go with Ramsey that guy was the man! Everyone knows that he was the hitting coach on the team that went to the super regionals. He took Campo, Fagan, and Bishop under his wing and taught them everything he knew. He was the total package. Great coach, great bp thrower, unbelivable motivator, and that guy could hit one mean fungo!

Posted on Mar 19, 2007, 3:43 PM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

by LionFan (no login)

xpAGQFG(

Posted on Mar 19, 2007, 8:55 PM

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I'm sorry but...

by LionFan (no login)

That might be the funniest thing anyone has put on this site! Good one! Keep up with the good humor. It keeps things loose on this site.

Posted on Mar 19, 2007, 8:57 PM

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That one made me laugh too!

by Anonymous (no login)

I always enjoy this board.

Posted on Mar 20, 2007, 11:34 AM

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Ramsey the man

by Anonymous (no login)

No one has disputed the fact that the teams were better after Ramsey replaced Ditch....

Posted on Mar 21, 2007, 12:24 AM

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Yep

by Anonymous (no login)

Youre right about Ramsey vs Ditch. Sometimes, I think Ditch is doing some of the posting on here.

Posted on Mar 23, 2007, 10:35 PM

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Re: Yep

by The Truth (no login)

The players that were in the program when ditch was there were some of the best in PSU history. Campo, Fagen, Bump, Netwall, Sadlowski, I think ditch should get some credit. PSU simply brought in better recruits during these times and the players were "Pro Prospects"

I like Ramsey but I think ditch was a better recruiter.

Posted on Mar 24, 2007, 1:00 AM

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Ditch

by PSULION (no login)

Ditch was great for the PSU program and it's a shame that he never got the chance to manage the team....I am sure he would have been extremely successful. Take a look at what he's accomplished at schools, none of which are known for baseball including Penn State. (http://www.iup.edu/varsitysports/sports/base/ditchbio.shtm).

His 1st year was 1994/1995 season....therefore don't think he gets credit for Bump or Sadlowski, but he does get credit for all those players that came in the following 4 years as well as those at Cincinnatti, WVU, etc.

1000+ people at Saturday's game....that's great! How many does the new park hold? Hope they can keep the attendance #'s up....that'll be great for PSU as well as the future of PSU baseball. Highschool kids on recruiting trips would love to see a park full of fans...hope it stays that way!

These guys going to start hitting for power??....stop worrying about the K's and take some hacks. Isn't Oklahoma State known for their HR hitters?

Posted on Mar 25, 2007, 3:28 PM

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Ditch recruiting

by Anonymous (no login)

Revisionist history is great but Randy Ford was the chief recruiter in the 90's. Im sure Ditch looked at players as well but saying Ditch is responsible (and not Ford)is way off the mark. It would come as a major surprise to Coach Van Zant at WVU to learn that Ditch was his recruiter and not Bruce Cameron.

Posted on Mar 25, 2007, 10:23 PM

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Agreed

by BaseballMom (no login)

You are exactly right!

Posted on Mar 27, 2007, 6:23 PM

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Untitled

by bing bong (no login)

Those who said the new stadium would not help attendance and that it would be poor--were WRONG! Over the weekend, one with bad weather until Sunday, the Lions drew 3000: 750 Friday (lousy weather), 1050 on Sat (not much better weather--cold), and 1200 on Sunday. Great games and some wins at least. Pitching good (not great for this series), hitting still needs work. Feel bad for Wyner, Sunday he was still struggling mightily. We needed that kid to be a real force in the B10 this year. Others now will have to pick it up. Whitehill/Stobart were OK again. Someone needs to step up from out of that bullpen and become the starter they need. Lorentson was OK on Sunday, gives up a lot of hits, no runs though. Where is the Carr kid?? Is he hurt? Hasn't given up a hit yet and still no sign of him. Has to be injured.

If they win, as I had stated earlier, they will draw even better. If they lose, attendance will fall off.

I will say this though, "The Med" is an unbelievable venue to watch a college baseball game!! I made 2 of the games and they were great fun and a great break from studying.

If you haven't gone yet--DO IT! You'll have some fun. The digital scoreboard and antics that they show and sound system are superb!!

Posted on Mar 26, 2007, 8:54 AM

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I was one who said that

by Anonymous (no login)

So what's changed? 1,000 on a weekend? WHAT has changed?

Posted on Mar 26, 2007, 4:13 PM

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Re: I was one who said that

by bing bong (no login)

Last year they averaged 472 at home games. This year already averaging 1000+ per game in lousy weather while charging fans to get in. I'd say EVERYTHING has changed!!! About 600 fans more per game who are PAYING has changed!! Blue-White game may see a huge attendance, OF PAYING FANS!! Unbelievable change. Now all they have to do to generate MORE attendance is WIN. This, so far, is the only thing that hasn't changed yet!!

Posted on Mar 26, 2007, 9:05 PM

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Don't expect...

by LionFan (no login)

Don't expect the win totals to change until we get a better coaching staff in here. Sure, people will come out to a beautiful park to watch games. Look at the Cubs! They suck every year and yet, they still sell out. I just hope we win 20 games this year!

Posted on Mar 27, 2007, 12:42 AM

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Re: Don't expect...

by bing bong (no login)

The season starts now. Like you, I hope we win more as well. But the stadium is so spectacular to watch a game--I'll be at most this year. The team is still young, believe it or not, and next year will be even better. Everyone back except Clark and O'grodnik.

As for this year, I still hold out hope that the bats will come alive and Wyner will get healthy. If not they need a pitcher to step up from the pen. The B10 will tell you if you are a competitive team or not. We'll know soon enough. But in the meantime, lets support the Lions and get to "The Med" to show some support.

Posted on Mar 27, 2007, 1:35 AM

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Pics show empty seats

by PSULION (no login)

How many does the 'Med' hold? In these pics on the PSU athletics homepage, looks like a lot of empty seats.

http://www.gopsusports.com/GoPSU_Photo/photo_Gallery.cfm?sp=1

Posted on Mar 27, 2007, 10:07 AM

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Re: Pics show empty seats

by bing bong (no login)

The Med holds like 6500 total I believe, so 1200 or 1000 people spread all over the stadium does leave a lot of empty seats. However, for a collegiate baseball games getting over 1000 is good attendance. As I said earlier, if they can compete and win the attendance will get better. If they continuously lose probably worse or stay the same. Better weather will probably draw more fans as well. A lot remains to be seen and the real season as to whether they are winners or losers starts this weekend.

Posted on Mar 27, 2007, 10:15 AM

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Clark takes No hitter into the eighth, Lions top CCSU 8-1

by BaseballMom (no login)

Sorry I missed a great game!

www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=12170

Posted on Mar 24, 2007, 9:17 AM

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Sillyness of this

by Fred (no login)

I find it hard to believe anybody here. Everybody arguing over who is a good coach and making fun of each other and no talk about baseball today. Does anybody actually know anything about this PSU team or are they so bad joking around is more fun?

Posted on Mar 21, 2007, 12:01 PM

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Re: Sillyness of this

by The Truth (no login)

It's more fun not to talk about baseball. Only going by the stats we aren't looking too good. Opponents ERA against us is 2.2ish and we are hitting .243 as a team. Basically our offensive needs to step it up drastically. We are also striking out 23% of the time, this needs to change quickly or we may be looking at under 20 wins this year.

We need more guys on base...pitching wise not that bad but we need to score more runs...any suggestions?

Posted on Mar 21, 2007, 2:04 PM

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silly

by jellydoughnut (no login)

Yes, making fun of the situation and old coaches is much more fun! Our team is brutal. They can't hit water if they fell out of a boat. I'll tell you what they need to do is recruit some better players. PA is a good baseball state, and I think we need to a better job of recruiting in PA and the surrounding states. I dont think we need to go all over the US for marginal players, when there are alot of good players PSU is missing out on.

Posted on Mar 21, 2007, 4:51 PM

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Re: silly

by Well Said (no login)

I like it Jelly...I like it a lot.

Posted on Mar 21, 2007, 5:59 PM

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Re: silly

by bing bong (no login)

Let's hold our assesment of this team for the B10, the only season that counts. While the hitting has been bad, it has been against some pretty good pitching. Most of whom will end up drafted from what I've heard. From this point on, either you can compete or you can't. The B10 can be tough for long stretches. Minnesota will give us our first real evaluation of what we're capable of accomplishing. Pre-season stats show Minnesota as the team to beat. They have beaten a few ranked teams in their OOC schedule.

Posted on Mar 22, 2007, 9:00 AM

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We are horrible!!!

by LionFan (no login)

Schedule, schmedule!!! Look at our numbers! We are hitting .229 as a team. We've played 11 games and we've struck out 100 times. Where is the offense everyone was running their fingers about? Please Mr. A.D. ... End this pain for the Nittany Lion's and their fans. Get a real Coach in here! Someone who knows what he's doing. Someone who can get players, and keep them. It really makes you miss guys like the Stidfole's and the Gummo's. Yeah, I said it! I didn't think it could get much worse from last year, but it has. When your best guy is hitting .298, you probably stink. Which we do!

Posted on Mar 15, 2007, 12:58 AM

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Re: We are horrible!!!

by Anonymous (no login)

Parents of the players are going to have their choice of any seat in the stadium for the first home opener, and maybe all season. Just about nobody but parents will pay to see a team lose.

On the other hand, we've had some great games thus far. Erratic is the name of the game right now. We have potential and a truly great coach can tap that potential and hand us an upper tier team. This year more than any other under the Wine Regime is going to be a sign of the quality of coaching.

Posted on Mar 15, 2007, 12:39 PM

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Re: We are horrible!!!

by The Truth (no login)

How can you say Wine is a great coach? Seriously he has never had a winning record. His team embarrassed PSU last year him and his coaching staff?

Truly Great Coach yeah and Al Davis is a truly great owner.

I just want one example of how he has made PSU better since he came on board. He had very little or nothing to do with the stadium, his team constantly is loosing close games, and they were simply out of control last year.

Im sorry Im disappointed with him as a coach and a representative of PSU.


Posted on Mar 15, 2007, 12:58 PM

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Re: We are horrible!!!

by The Truth (no login)

Sorry for the last post I misread the previous one. I thought you were saying Wine was great...Frustration has already set in for the year.

Posted on Mar 15, 2007, 1:00 PM

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right

by Anonymous (no login)

I was just about to jump all over you for misreading what I wrote.
But to make it clearer, if this teams fails this year, it is 100% in the hands of the coaching staff. No doubt at all about that.

Posted on Mar 15, 2007, 3:16 PM

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Something has to be done

by Fred (no login)

We need to see some wins or nobody will attend the games once home games commense, even if they can with all this snow stuff. Don't home games start within a week? They will be canceled with snow on the ground. Unlucky times for PSU.

Posted on Mar 19, 2007, 7:46 PM

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