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July 18 2003 at 10:56 AM
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[Sorry in advance to those of you who've already seen these but I just felt like sharing.]

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/ann_coulter.html
http://users.rcn.com/skutsch/anticoulter/quotes.html

[Incidentally would it be wrong to post these on the Ballad too?]

On a different [and lighter] note, are there any good alternatives to eBay for finding rare gear?

 
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Very amusing, in an "out-of-touch people are funny" sort of way.

July 18 2003, 1:03 PM 

...and for the record, yes, it would be wrong to post them on the Ballad, mostly because it'll probably start another thread where everyone talks about their views on politics without regard to anyone else giving a fuck. BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN HERE, NO SIR.

So... yeah.

--RoPOH
"Like any good's ever come of it."

 
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Shade forgot about n/t
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That, and you've never posted there, and they don't like it when strangers start topics.

July 18 2003, 1:35 PM 

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Teen Sensation Lainer
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It won't happen here

July 18 2003, 1:50 PM 

Because we don't have nearly enough people who do give a fuck. We've had, what, two real debates? And we needed Wandy to get one of them going.

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Justin "Nekotuxie" Scott
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My political barometer may be a touch off here...

July 19 2003, 2:14 PM 

...but Ann Coulter is slightly to the right of Jesse Helms.

She's a political waste case, another critic who will become nothing more then a roadside attraction once her media amplitude dies out. A replacement for Bill O' Reilly (wandered WAY too far off into hypocricy and non-political commentary), who was a replacement for Tucker Carlson (didn't have any original thoughts, and got PWNED by any liberal CNN hired), who was a replacement for Jerry Falwell (career suicide) and Rush Limbaugh (who is now working for...ESPN?)

It seems that media outlets, in order to appease a very aggressive group of conservatives (the type of people that think moderates are liberals and liberals are communists) who have a tendency to write and call and write and call about the media having a liberal bias (in many cases, they attack media outlets with fairly good standards of objectivity and force them to add a columnists that skew the objectivity) to add a conservative voice. In fact, since a moderate (say John McCain) is a liberal, they have to get an ultra-conservative to appease.

Ann Coulter is just getting her turn on the wheel.

I recommend you don't take her too seriously. National Review didn't. Aside from a small column from Jonas Goldberg (the editor of NRO), long after Ann Coulter's firestorm of bad-mouthing them ceased (when she got a new job), NRO paid little or no attention to her after they fired her for legitimate reasons (she refused any editing of her documents, even when her thoughts were incohesive) - try reading some of her back work on NRO - even the column that started this babbles about a friend who died on 9/11, airport security being a pain in the ass, airport security being ineffective, a defense of racial profiling, an implication that our border laws are lax, and an assault on our policy in Afghanistan in a very short column that doesn't bother to connect any of those rather varied thoughts.

Say what you will about the NRO, but at least they try to stay ON TOPIC. Horrible censorship that is.

BTW....Here's the original document from which the 9/11 stuff was taken.

http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter.shtml
Ann can be found at
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=1
where she still has thoughts like a college graduate written like a fifth grader.

Note: I recommend checking out HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher when she's on, and reading her book. Her book is a ludicrous joke. "See, I Told You So" had more cohesive thoughts. Seeing her and Bill Maher empathize about how they've been censored

(Bill about how ABC "censored" him because nobody watched PI, and that's ABC's fault, and Ann because NRO "censored" her barely cohesive, barely coherent ranting columns due to massive backlash from her conservative readers and massive frontlash from Ann herself )

is comedic gold. Bonus points if Larry Miller makes fun of them both.
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As for her thoughts on airports, racian profiling, and security-

I don't know if I'm totally against the concept of racial profiling at airports. Honestly, if airport security never goes to racial profiling, I could care less. I've done the 150 minute line, and I can do it again. I don't fly that often (four flights since 9/11), and it doesn't bother me that much. In the time period where I flew a ton, most trips were two or three days long, and it takes about fifteen seconds to search a laptop case. (You get used to storing damn near everything in a garment bag.)

However, I find myself agreeing with Seanbaby on this one. Having suffered through some egregious security lines,

(Lambert International (St. Louis) has the metal detectors close to the doors, waiting to get through security, I found myself outside, freezing my ass off - BWI, LAX, and JFK lines AVERAGE two hours.)

if I were among the arab/muslim populace that is not carrying explosives, boxcutters, or marijuana wrapped in tinfoil (NBA players are stooooopid!) - I would accept racial profiling limited to airports. Just think, following the national population statistics, at most, you'd have a half-dozen arab/muslims on a huge flight (say a 777 filled to capacity). Normally, the airport searches 20 people getting on that flight. Instead of having to wait through 20 mindless searches, and then get searched anyway (being arab/muslim), why not allow racial profiling and get to spend the rest of your time at the airport bar or Der Wienerschnitzel? It would make a lot of people's lives easier, and my grandma could start bringing her tweezers across country now (on her last trip, she grew the nastiest unibrow).

(Note: I use the word arab/muslim to denote that both groups kinda share the profiling. Non-arabian muslims and non-muslim arabs get searched just like arab muslims.)
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Thoughts on "taking over and making them christians":

Now in case you haven't bothered to follow Iraq since it stopped smouldering, it's actually rather diverse politically, from US sympathizers, to former Saddam Sunni allies, to revenge-hungry Shiite clerics, and damn near everything in between. Now we don't get all of this, because people that were pro-US or anti-Saddam aren't throwing grenades at US Soldiers. They also aren't staging protests (because they're happy), or holding up "Please stay US" billboards.

I don't know all that much about the political climate in Afghanistan, but from what I can guess, it seems like the 2% that had the food and guns and Saudi money (Taliban) pretty much told the other 98% what to think and do.

Ann's suggestion that we take over and make them U.S. East Oil, a Subsidary of United States, Inc. is like suggesting that middle-eastern terrorists should bomb Fox TV because Hank Hill supported Dubya. (Now, if the Japanese wanted to bomb Fox over "Banzai", they might have a beef. Place Bets Now!)

I'm not a total genius on this - but I think the point of a terrorist is to scare the masses into a state of submission by being willing to kill anyone within the masses, i.e. scare them all by making everyone think they could possibly be a target.

If we had tried to fight a small pocket of terrorists by bombing anyone and anywhere, by causing the entire populace to think that they could possibly be a target...

That wouldn't have made us....

Nah.

And I'll skip Christianity's good cleak track record, because nobody has ever, ever been killed in the name of that religion.

Justin "Nekotuxie" Scott
- He took a duck in the face at 250 yards.

 
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Re: Racial Profiling

July 19 2003, 2:32 PM 

No, that is not a good idea. In fact, it is a very bad idea.

Remember that scare last year when Fox News (I don't know for sure that it was them, but it sounds out of character for the other news networks) said that the Al Queada was still planning on more terrorist attacks in the USA? And remember how they completely skimmed over the fact that they gave up because it would be almost impossible to pull anything off with the current levels of security. Racial profiling would create a security hole big enough to fly a 747 though (irony intended). All they have to do is hire/convert anyone who is not of middle eastern ethnicity and BOOM, instant trojan horse.

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Justin "Nekotuxie" Scott
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Re: Re: Racial Profiling

July 19 2003, 10:09 PM 

Yes, but of course, that assumes that said hired/converted terrorist can get past metal detector, x-ray scans, and the dreaded "Did you pack your own bag today?" question.

I was half-kidding about the racial profiling. Mentally, I have my caveats, especially because my search always takes about a minute. I usually carry my laptop on, and I hand it to the guard while I do the metal detector, and it's done by the time I get out. I don't enjoy freezing my ass off at Lambert because they're bringing over the dogs to check an old lady's purse that was holding contraband nailfiles.

I don't think racial profiling in an airport would work, but we could stop harassing people who couldn't get out of their seat to take over the plane. It would save them the embarassment and save me the trouble of waiting. I just think in our technologically advanced society, we could come up with something more secure then a group of poorly trained gorillas confiscating staplers from 20-something WASPs.

-Justin "Nekotuxie" Scott

 
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