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Not really.

February 25 2004 at 9:33 AM
Ozymandous  (no login)
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Response to Besides the point

The main problem with SGLs is that they introduce yet another way to make tournament games not comparable to each other.

And this was different than MGL being able to rush wonders in other games how?

Unless there are restricted ways to win in the initial save game, results can't really be compared anyway, because people will not do exactly the same things anyway.

Your example of getting a SGL to rush the Pyramids is no different than playing an epic in PTW and going to early military and getting a MGL to do the same thing while I choose to go a builder route in my game. Yes, the player would have to make adjustments to get the MGL in other games, but don't players already have to make adjustments to be the first in tech, etc anyway? If I build my Civ, like I did in Epic 38 where I could research almost all (after Internet was built) of the modern age, and half of the Industrial Age tech's in 4 turns each, should I not get a benefit from a possible SGL, like someone who was a war-monger in vanilla Civ3 and PTW could do?

I am not faulting Sirian or anyone else for feeling this ruins the game for them, but I look at the SGL as a 'reward' for those players who do NOT necessarily win by conquest or domination in every single game. Even though a SGL can steal a wonder, if your Civ is ahead in tech you'll naturally be the first to discover everything and will be the ONLY Civ to have a possible SGL. This doesn't seem unbalanced to me.

It seems the true crux of the issue is that an AI Civ may actually use a GL to rush a wonder period. How many times did an AI Civ ever use a MGL to ever rush a wonder, 5%? Is all the heat about SGL's really a problem with the fact they can rush a wonder, or that now the AI will USE GL's to rush wonders instead of making a swordsman/spear/horseman army in the Middle Ages? We now have a way for the AI's to use GL's like the players used to, and still do, and now players are upset? Yeah, ok, color me confused, but I am curious if this would be an issue if the AI was more intelligent and had used GL's to rush wonders from the start of Civ3. Somehow I doubt it.

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