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October 13 2004 at 3:39 PM
silentbob  (no login)

Am I they only one who found these gigs boring!!

I went to the Collectormainia show and London, and they seriously bored me to tears!!

Its strange cos the songs seem ok, but the performances and the venues, you can't even see them unless you are in the first couple of rows!!

Milton Keynes had woeful sound, unless you were right near the band, it was like being downstairs when your sister has the stereo on, and then Adam mentioned the people at the bar in the back, and i thought they can't even hear you!!

London, well again, you couldn't see the band, it could have been a couple of cut outs on stage!! and that just spoiled it for me! Could have been a better venue.. you know where we can see the band!! Though the sound was a bit better!

Overall a couple of really bad gigs.. and i've seen Ghost Of The Robot...!!! (at coventry.. woeful sound...)

Oh.. and just so you don't think i'm just saying they are rubbish, I saw them first at the harvest and they were fantastic real energy, and you could see and hear them, i felt that show, was just excellent, and why i decided to go to London!

I bet most people at the bar at milton keynes didn't realise they had started to play!!

Oh and the trumpet player (Jordan is it.??) he kicked it big time, he was the highlight of both gigs, completely stole the show, his playing was excellent!!

 
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trulla
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 3:42 PM 

Am I they only one who found these gigs boring!!

One word: Yeah!

scnr

 
 

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October 13 2004, 3:43 PM 

Yeah I think you're pretty much the only one.

Yes Milton Keynes's sound wasn't all that, hardly Common Rotation's fault, but London seriously rocked.
My friend Jules and I weren't in the front but we thought the guys put up a fantastic performance.
Guess we'll have to differ on that one!

 
 

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October 13 2004, 3:46 PM 

another word ..yeah!

Seriously though, I'll admit - I DID hear from others that the sound system at Milton Keynes was pretty rubbish and if you weren't at the front then you could hardly hear the band at all.

... but since I WAS at the front I had a fantastic night.

And as for The Troubadour ... I LOVED the venue - awesome - so excited the guys will be back there for TWO dates next April!


 
 

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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 3:57 PM 

So there ya go silentbob, 'two yeahs' and a 'yeah pretty much' to your question...satisfied with the outcome?

 
 
trulla
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 4:05 PM 

So there ya go silentbob, 'two yeahs' and a 'yeah pretty much' to your question

And that within less than 10 Minutes. Give us another hour and I guess the count will be even more convincing!

 
 
silentbob
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October 13 2004, 4:06 PM 

Well.. satisfied, no!

I was just disapointed thats all, i thought these shows were going to be good and they just were to me at all.

Now i realise that most people who come here are likely to be die hard Common Rotation fans, and that it is great just to have them over here at all, but as a more casual listener, i was disapointed thats all i can say!!!

I wouldn't try to say that you didn't have a good time, just from where i was sitting, the perfomances (other than the trumpet guy) weren't that good, the venues didn't help i'll say.

Again this is all from a casual listeners perspective, somebody who can take or leave Common Rotation, they need to raise there game if they want to attract an audience that doesn't consist of buffy fans (of which i am, before you slate me for that!!)


 
 

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October 13 2004, 4:13 PM 

sorry you didn't enjoy the gigs Silenbob .. but have to say

Now I realise that most people who come here are likely to be die hard Common Rotation fans

Most maybe - but I only found this forum AFTER going to MK and London - and have BECOME a die hard fan since the two gigs

..if they want to attract an audience that doesn't consist of buffy fans

Since Joey and I have never ever seen an episode of Buffy with Adam in it ..they've already succeeded with our spot in the audience




 
 

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October 13 2004, 4:13 PM 

Gotta jump in here because I for one, am not a Buffy fan! So there! nuff said!

 
 
trulla
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October 13 2004, 4:19 PM 

Actually, I liked the Troubadour a lot because it was so packed, because there was no huge distance from the stage to the audience and because it had some raw feeling to it. It made the show a lot more personal and intimate, which is what I like best about Common Rotation. To me, they don't do the typical "We Band, You Audience" type of shows, but more like "Let's have a party, we bring the music" kind of gigs.

Which means, I don't have to be front row to enjoy their shows, as long as I am part of said party (and have some room to dance ).

And I will so not get into the whole "Buffy-Fans/not-Buffy-Fans" discussion, been there, done that, thanks.

 
 
silentbob
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October 13 2004, 4:22 PM 

**Most maybe - but I only found this forum AFTER going to MK and London - and have BECOME a die hard fan since the two gigs**

Thats interesting, how did you know about them then? Because i wouldn't see a band more than once that i hadn't heard before, so you had heard of them before? or at least heard there stuff?

I think 99% of people will listen to this band because of buffy, they will have heard about them from a friend, whos a buffy fan!!

There may be the odd person dragged along by a buffy fan to a gig but even then..

All i'm saying is if they want to get recognised outside of this arena, and by that i mean events like Collectormainia and Hush then when they play shows they'll have to raise their game!

Saying that, i'm aware this appears i'm slagging them off, but i'm not, i have both albums and two of the three cdrs they've released!! Just i thought this years gigs weren't anywhere near the harvest.. well apart of the trumpet guy!!! (see.. even a running gag!!)

 
 
Jo Ann
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October 13 2004, 4:26 PM 

Well, I suppose the majority of their audience does consist of Buffy fans. I guess that's a blessing and a curse.

But as for your other complaints, you might have to chalk it up as bad venue. If you truly do enjoy their music, and are not there for the "Buffy thing", try attending a living room gig. From what I understand, they started doing that because of the reasons you stated. Living room shows are quite nice and intimate. And every seat is a perfect seat.

Peace Love and Cheese

 
 

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October 13 2004, 4:31 PM 

Okay... my two cents


yes, I'm a die hard Common Rotation fan, you can ask my friends and family about that.

Might be that Adam wasn't in best condition for this event, but would you, after signing autographs for 8 hours straight, posing for photographs, beeing jetlaged and all that? And not only for one, but for two (three) days? I wouldn't !

You're right, the venue did suck (for MK... I haven't been to the Troubadour. but what I've heard so far. it was great !), but that wasn't Common Ro's fault, and you shouldn't blame it on them !

Might be that it was boring for you, but it wasn't for us. We had lots of fun, rocking the front row. And when the others surrounded the bar in MK, they couldn't be much interessted in Common Ro's music.

And I don't think that the bar people couldn't hear Common Ro, because I could hear them talking loud an clear during the entire set, and THAT sucks.

 
 
Jo Ann
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October 13 2004, 4:35 PM 

BTW, the "trumpet guy" is Jordan Katz. And yes, he is terrific.

Peace Love and Cheese

 
 

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October 13 2004, 4:53 PM 

From silentbob: Thats interesting, how did you know about them then? Because i wouldn't see a band more than once that i hadn't heard before, so you had heard of them before? or at least heard there stuff?

Well - Since I had tickets to the Collectormania (C6) Party (Collectormania being a regular meeting point since C3 - of my friends and I who met through Lord of The Rings (not Buffy) fandom) ..and knew Common Ro were going to be playing - I ordered The Big Fear about 2 weeks beforehand off a website - purely out of curiousity.

Loved it totally - had excellent position at the Party gig to be further totally drawn in by their performance and live sound .. bought all the live CDS that weekend too - Didn't book for London on the Monday until the Sunday night - when I got home .. was just lucky to get tickets - and had the most fantastic evening ever.

Since then - have become a Union Maid addict - downloading all tracks available - and cannot wait until April to welcome back Common Ro to the UK :D


 
 
silentbob
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October 13 2004, 4:55 PM 

Yeah, Jordan Katz, fantastic, just really, i mean that guy can play, for me he left both Eric and Adam standing musically, he was just fantastic, I really can't say enough about this guy, very talented!

Maybe i would have prefered a gig not full of buffy fans!! But saying that Buffy fans can on occasion enhance the gig, for instance the only time that Kane (Christian Kane's band) performed at Senior Partners, the auidence sat there for an acoustic set of rare power, it was a fantastic set, and everybody sat there silently and clapped when need, but just sat and watched this performance, and even though Christian said his voice was bad, he still sang his hardest, and his vocals and guitar were stunning! That gig ranks among my ALL TIME best and i think will for a while!!

I guess mostly i was disapointed, i had expected a better night monday, i thought ah.. away from the Collectormainia crowd, a better show, and just don't feel it was.

I'll keep listening, just don't feel the need to see them live, though i don't think they'll worry bout losing my ticket sales!!


 
 
Jess
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 5:02 PM 

To bad that you don't want to see them play live again, just because of two (in your eyes) non-perfect gigs.

but in case the Troub will sell out again. I can be glad, because I can take your ticket to invite my 15 year old brother to a trip from Germany to the UK

btw.. Kane really rocked. But it's always a difference to have Common Ro or Chris & Steve on stage.

 
 
Jo Ann
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October 13 2004, 5:06 PM 

Yeah, Jordan Katz, fantastic, just really, i mean that guy can play, for me he left both Eric and Adam standing musically, he was just fantastic, I really can't say enough about this guy, very talented!

I feel the same.

Maybe i would have prefered a gig not full of buffy fans!!

Your original post said nothing about Buffy fans. However, it may be best if you stayed clear of that subject.

I guess mostly i was disapointed, i had expected a better night monday, i thought ah.. away from the Collectormainia crowd, a better show, and just don't feel it was.

I'll keep listening, just don't feel the need to see them live, though i don't think they'll worry bout losing my ticket sales!!


Nothing is ever perfect. You might change your mind next April and try them out again. Maybe there might even be a LR gig near you.

Peace Love and Cheese

 
 

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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 5:42 PM 

Maybe i would have prefered a gig not full of buffy fans

I can add that none of my friends who were present at the gig in MK were/are Buffy fans..and I betcha a lot of other people in that room weren't either...

Tis all about the music man, all about the music!

 
 
Jess
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October 13 2004, 5:46 PM 

*been there, done that*

signed!

 
 
ToriaR
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October 13 2004, 6:02 PM 

Never seen the band before the Troubadour show - loved it, completely loved it. Full of energy, very intimate, I laughed, I was enraptured... I am now a huge fan.

I first heard them through the power of the internet, recommended by a friend.

You can't say the guys weren't working - I think they must have sweated off several pounds in the Troubadour that night.

I know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

 
 
Hey Silent Bob
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October 13 2004, 6:14 PM 

Quote me a list of great lyrics from Kane or the now Ghost of the Robot. It think Eric and Adam deliver extremely powerful vocal performances of uniquely crafted pop songs. I've heard other bands associated with Buffy but this one has had an audience before Adam's appearance on the show. From what I understand they make hundreds of new fans everytime they open for TMBG.
This is because they are trully original and they stand above perfect "John Mayer-like" vocals and guitars. Eric and Adam are terrific singers and instrumentalists who aren't afraid to let there imperfections shine because they have a whole lot more to say than Celine Dion or Jason Moraz.
This sounds to me like you just didn't like the band to begin with. So why did you go the second time?

 
 

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October 13 2004, 6:17 PM 

I not sure if you are the only person who found these gig’s boaring or not, however my sister and myself had a great time, and the guy’s blew our respective sock’s off!

We went to the Collectormainia show and then had to get to the London gig to confirm our opinion and they seriously impressed us!

We were not in the first couple off rows but we did nab a position on the stairs.

Milton Keynes we were quite close to the band so I can’t comment on the sound near the back.

London, I loved the venue, each to their own!

‘I’ve seen Ghost of The Robot...!!! (at Coventry.. woeful sound...)’ Have to agree on that comment!!!


Here’s my take on the Gigs!

It was very odd

Not in a hall but in an open space in a shopping centre , dealers stands in the middle and lots of booths with big pics of the actors who were flogging their autographs around the outside ( facing outwards) whilst all around the Saturday shoppers were coming and going and looking bemused.


It was so very odd to see all these familiar faces sat behind tables in a shopping centre " I'll take two pounds of potatoes a new dress and Nick Brendon please" . I'll confess it made me uncomfortable .. I mean I know that that's what conventions are about, but this was the selling without the convention. Maybe it was just the venue and the set up that made this .. well, odd . But people seemed to be having a great time so maybe it was just me being over sensitive.

Instead of the dealers stands and general madness Deb and I had a mooch around the shops .. with the result that by the time we got to the gig/ party we already had very sore feet.

The party was at a convention centre with famous cars ( Batmobile Starsky and Hutch car , ludicrously stretched limo etc) outside .. so we went upstairs and found ourselves transported back in time to the school disco, complete with chairs ranged round the walls , everyone sitting around looking nervous and a DJ who seemed to want to avoid at all costs anyone actually polluting his pristine dance floor with their feet ( "eclectic" would be one word to describe the music " utter crap" would be another ) . We watched the place fill up and had a great time people watching, the die hard Common Rotation fans took up postition in front of the stage and then more and more party goers in amazing costumes from fandoms I know nothing of kept arriving .. ( including one lass in pink pvc underwear and the worlds tallest Dwarf complete with chainmail ) .. Finally at 8.30 the DJ played something dancable so we chose a position near the stage and danced . as did a host of other guests, alarmed by this invasion of his dance floor the DJ switched back to playing tripe but we had a prime position by the stage so we kept dancing despite being increasingly constricted by others with the same idea and increasingly hot . Common Rotation were due on at around nine , they then said it was going to be nine thirty and that they were holding the fancy dress competition first .. at 9.20 they asked us to clear the dance floor (which made the DJ very happy) We shuffled back towards the stage and they brought the contestants out for a very rushed judging , if I had been a competitor I'd have been seriously annoyed .. all that effort, all that time when people could have had a good look at the costumes and they crammed it in to the few minutes before the band came on when the place was so packed that no one could see the costumes .. my vote went to Rimmer in Gingham dress accesorised with army boots and Mr Flibble .. I think he came third.

Finally the band came on and lo.. they were very good indeed .. It's hard to describe their sound , sort of They Might Be Giants/ Bare Naked Ladies/ folk/ rock / whatever.. Adam and Eric both have really good voices and a good stage act , though I suspect that if you were more than a few rows back the visuals would have been lost on you ,which is a shame because the visuals were very nice indeed . At one point a kerfuffle started in the crowd near us because a guy had had one drink too many and was swaying rather a lot and being quite vocal .. Adam addressed the guy saying " I've learned a new word over here .. " wanker" , back home you'd just be an asshole" . The Lass standing behind Mr over refreshed was getting a bit upset so I switched places with her ( not an easy manouvere in that crush) and made use of my best " behave yourself" look ( which is very effective). The guy was fine, not being in any way offensive just a tad tipsy and there was really no problem.

After the gig ( which went down a storm) the DJ finally put some decent music on. But we were dying of thirst and heatstroke so we went and joined the queue for the worlds slowest bar and finally secured pints of lemonade and Red Bull then got some fresh air and went to meet the band who were signing CD's at the back of the hall . Not a lot you can say about that except that they were all very nice and we now had signed CDs and tickets for the gig in London . My main memory is addressing Adam Busch by brandishing a CD at him with the immortal words " I can't get the wrapping off this f*cking thing , can you do it ?" Deb meanwhile was bemusing a band member by asking where to by tickets for the next gig " You can get them in the mall" "where?" " The Mall" .. "oh the shopping centre, no we can't , we're going home now ".. so we got a flyer and a website address instead and booked as soon as we got home, we have a piece of paper and the assurance that our names will be on the door, probably will be , on the " keep these lunatics out of the club" list.

The party went on till 2AM but we had a long drive home and left shortly after midnight. No stamina the youth of yesterday, it's all very sad

Have to praise Common Rotations organisation, they said that our names would be on a list at the door and, despite the extreme lateness of our booking this proved to be the case .. we were impressed!

The Troubador s a tiny but really rather nice venue .. upstairs is a coffee house/wine bar type thingy (very atmospheric, the ceiling covered in lutes and other Troubadory things).. then down in the cellar is a tiny venue with a bar a stage, and lots of cosy corners (not that you could have seen the band from there) Deb and I decided to play at being fire hazards , standing on the steps of the fire exit but promising the staff member in charge ( who , incidentally we have also seen at various things dressed up as Spike) that in the event of a fire we'd be first out the door and we promised faithfully not to spontaneously combust in the meantime.
The band came on at nine and were in fine form, very chatty, very sweary and in great voice . Adam was clowning it up and there was a lot of freeform experimentation with lyrics .. some of it quite rude! . It was hot, sweaty and the best fun!. They finished with a rousing version of Billy Bragg's "waiting for the great leap forward" by which time it was 11PM . and ,since we were an hours tube ride from our car and then two hours from there to home we had to dash off , which was sad as there were some nice people there and we'd have loved to stay and chat!

So that's the third time we've seen the band .. and they are coming back in April and we shall no doubt be testing out the ticket purchase system again.

Common Rotation .. really rather good!

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 6:22 PM 

I get what you are saying silent bob I was at the Collectormania show but not the London one. I didn't enjoy the cmania gig until about half way through and this had nothing to do with the boys I just felt that the actual party had a really flat and depressing atmosphere and it took me longer than usual to get into the gig. The boys themselves played to their usual standard and after I forgot where I was I had a brilliant time until they stopped playing and back came the depressing dank atmosphere.

As for them having to raise the bar if they want to make it outwith their tv following, I don't completely agree with you but again I get what you are saying.

My feeling is that it's going to take time to gather a fan base over here and the only way to do that is to play here more frequently which I know may not be possible and they have to play gigs with other bands that are more established in the towns where they are performing.

 
 
silentbob
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October 13 2004, 7:11 PM 

Ok.. great Kane Lyrics..

Well, I got this old TV That you left behind
And I got a better me It took so long to find

One More Shot.


We made love that very night Under a burnt auburn cancun sky
I guess now I'm a Mexican 'Cause in Texas I'm a wanted man

Spirit Boy

A little bit of Bourbon And a broken neon sign
Once again I'm riding shotgun To everything that's on my mind

Just a bartender To tell my troubles to
Well, I just haven't found a way To say, I'm so in love with you

The Chase

And there was a fantastic song he sang called More Than I Deserve, or Better Than I Deserve at convention, which was fantastic.

Oh and the reason i ended up seeing them twice was, I enjoyed them at The Harvest and wanted to see them, i booked Collectormainia for my sister, but then Showmasters didn't send the tickets, so had to go down to there to get them, so ended up going, i already had tickets for monday thinking a proper "gig" venue would be better to see them!

and how did you get i DON'T like the band.. did you miss the whole, i have both albums, and two of the three cdrs (so thats everything available on the site then...) and really enjoyed them at the harvest.. and for the record i think Offstage Lines is one of my fav songs ever, "We don't solve your problems here, we just work our way around.." love that line!

I am talking about my opinion of the gigs i saw, which make me not really want to "see" them live again.. they were disapointing!

All i'm saying is my opinion of the shows.. i still think they are an interesting band, but like i said, need to raise their game.

If it was a school report it would read, shows promise, but needs to improve further!

As for the london venue, i expect if everbody was sitting it wouldn't be too bad, but it was crowded and you couldn't see the band.. well you could see the top of thier heads.. and i'm quite tall!! I actually thought the venue was pretty cool, a nice place!

 
 
Anonymous
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October 13 2004, 7:27 PM 

These are nothing but ordinary when compared to

my love is not instinct
no body taken for ransom
no soldier marching in sync
with the beat of a tired anthem
my love she is nothing she is only everything
she is everything under the sun

or

just remember all the things you reaccess with your god
will someday be repossesed by the mob
or

now good writers borrow and great writers steal
actors poets painters politicians as such
but after 2000 years or more of this histroy my friend
for something original might be asking for far too much

They Might Be Giants fans freak out over this band when they support them on national tours. This was the case with me. You're right I missed everything you said about being a fan of something you obviously don't understand.

 
 
watcher652
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October 13 2004, 7:28 PM 

Christiana Raymond - lovely report! Thanks for taking the time to post it.

I always enjoy hearing the reports, even from those who are disappointed. You can't please everyone. I know from years of experience that what I find wonderful, there will always be someone who has problems with an event. Just a matter of perspective.


 
 
anon 2
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 7:35 PM 

I think some of us have misunderstood silentbob here. I don't think he has anything aganist Common Rotation, he owns the cds which he says he loves and I don't think he intended to start a my band has better lyrics than your band battle, which obviously CR will win on their own forum. I just think he saw 2 shows which between the sound systems and very low stages he just didn't enjoy as much as all the other glowing reviews that this board is used to.

Silentbob, What is your favorite venue to see a show at?

Would you be willing to see them again if you knew the venue was known for good sound and sightlines?

I don't think it really was the band's performance that let him down as much as his own personal experience during the show, and he's entitled to that opinion. I mean if I worked for Clear Channel and saw them, as talented as I might think they are, I'd probably leave not liking them a whole lot. Then again, maybe that would be the point.

 
 
Anonymous
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October 13 2004, 7:38 PM 

**You're right I missed everything you said about being a fan of something you obviously don't understand.**

Oh.. i love insults... i do, please tell me how do i need to understand this band please explain to me, that i don't get them on the levels that you do, that i could never understand the complex nature of the lyrics... please i need schooling in this.

I wonder do you not sleep at night that there are common rotation fans, who glup, don't take them as seriously as you do, thats a shame that isn't it, because surely we just don't understand, thats it isn't it.. thats the only explaination..!!

You have fun with that! Me I'll just wink and nudge and say... enjoy the superiority mate.. i hope it lasts!




 
 
Anonymous
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October 13 2004, 7:43 PM 

In quick response.. the Astoria in london, or Shepards Bush Empire, both have been pretty good venues, decent sound. Would Common Rotation sell them out though?




 
 
lol
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October 13 2004, 7:44 PM 

*claps!!!*

THANK YOU ANONYMOUS!!! someone needs to put this guy in his place! i am assuming male any way.

 
 
silentbob
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 7:44 PM 

ok.. the above couple of posts are mine.. but didn't come out with my name.. very odd

 
 
lol
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October 13 2004, 7:50 PM 

ok silentbob, question . . .

if you disliked the milton keynes gig so much why not have sold/ given away your ticket to the london gig? i am sure there are people out there that would happily have taken it off your hands!

 
 
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October 13 2004, 7:52 PM 

*As for the london venue, i expect if everbody was sitting it wouldn't be too bad, but it was crowded and you couldn't see the band.. well you could see the top of thier heads.. and i'm quite tall!! I actually thought the venue was pretty cool, a nice place!*

I don't get the point. The last time I went to see Pearl Jam (about 7 years ago. but the concert I rember best)I was one out of 5.000, and did see NOTHING, but the setlist was great, the guys rocked the house and it was one of the best gigs I've ever seen.

The same with Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, David Bowie... and I could add many more to this list. Do you really want 10.000 people to sit down at a concert, just because the only thing YOU can see is a bunch of heads in front of you?

Sure, Kane was great last year, and I think it will work the same way when they're back in two weeks, but only at the con. Do you really think that everybody will sit down on monday? I don't think so!

Your choice: head to the front, or stay at home... (oh I "forgott")

You can't blame this on Common Ro. It doesn't matter what the venue is, or which band is playing. This is the concert world, in case you're not going to see Cliff Richard

 
 
silentbob
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October 13 2004, 8:09 PM 

ok to answer the "Why not give the ticket away"

Well funnily enough i thought that the crappy sound system and general atmostphere of the C6 party wasn't Co-Ro's fault, They were the main factors in saying that gig wasn't any good, that whole night was a bit crappy.. although Adam's comment about the bar bugged me, cos i thought.. i bet they don't even know there's a band on here!!

I thought they'd be better monday, and soundwise it was better.. just got bored!!

and the standing question, yes i have been to a fair few gigs where you can't see a lot, but the difference is not small venues like that, it was a very intimate venue, i am always the person who doesn't wanna sit down at gigs, and believe it or not, i did try to secure a better view a number of times!! but both sides were crowded, and there was no way through!! I saw Maroon 5 at the Astoria and was off to the side at that gig, so only had a side view, but it was a fantastic show!

I did notice though that there was a minidisc player running off the soundboard so i wonder if they recorded the show

 
 
Jess
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October 13 2004, 8:18 PM 

well... we (commonrotation.de) did.. and I have both tapes running up and down for days now. And I love the Troubadour gig, I haven't been there, but my tape sounds like LOTS of fun !

 
 
Sue Smith
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October 13 2004, 10:08 PM 

Silentbob, were you the <mumble> that took 1,000,000,000 flash photos on Monday night, blinding the guys THE ENTIRE NIGHT until someone asked you to stop??

All I'm getting here is negativity - you weren't happy with the sound, you weren't happy with the venue, you weren't happy with the view, etc etc.

I thought the Troubadour was the best gig I've seen them do (I've seen 8), and I was down the back myself. I didn't see much, but they played a really long set and I took along two friends who were instant fans. We all thought the venue had character, something you won't find in most larger places.

I'm wondering if you saw them as a full band last year at The Harvest, which may explain why you felt they were so different this time?

 
 
Regan
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Re: UK dates

October 13 2004, 11:54 PM 

Not really gonna get into this much, because I've both been there and done that. But I watch Buffy. I've also been to 25 Common Rotation shows. Do you really think I go out of my way to see them, buy their music, etc. just because Adam was on Buffy? If I did that, I'm also a fan of Russell Crowe. Maybe I should go buy a "30 Odd Foot of Grunt" cd to add to my "actor band" collection. In fact, you will usually see me after a gig talking to Eric or Matt...NOT Adam. very rarely, actually.

 
 
Karen
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 12:10 AM 

Trying to be constructive here. So you say they need to improve but really aren't saying how, since you were disappointed. So, in your eyes, how do they need to do that?

From what I'm reading you weren't keen on the venues and sound so if I were to look at that I'd say you allowed that to influence how you viewed the guys' performance. Because hey, maybe Jordan was the only one you were able to see since it was crowded and all. Just wondering.

 
 
Regan
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 12:21 AM 

I'm starting a 30 Odd Foot of Grunt Fan Club...

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 2:46 AM 

Cool your pits SilentBob no one said they understood the band better than anyone else. They just suggested that you admitted you missed something that everyone else got from this show at the Troubadour in which the boys played a 2 1/2 hour set drenched in sweat.
Alright "mate". You're the one who posted a negative critique of a show that many people are calling their favorite. You've opened yourself up for what you would call insults which are really just criticisms... just like the ones you're making of the band. "hold me tight rub me just right but not where it's too tender too the touch" sensitive
cheers

 
 
trulla
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 3:44 AM 

From silentbob:

I saw them first at the harvest and they were fantastic real energy
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Just i thought this years gigs weren't anywhere near the harvest.

and then

Maybe i would have prefered a gig not full of buffy fans!!

Am I the only one who thinks this is quite ironic?

Don't get me wrong, silentbob (and I like your nick BTW ), you're entitled to your opinion by all means, but I still don't see what you where missing at both shows. To me, they where 100% proof why I love this band.

 
 
watcher652
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 4:22 AM 

I hope silentbob doesn't hold the personal insults of a few against the rest of us. You don't have to slam anyone personally just because someone said they didn't enjoy themselves. He said does like the band, just not the recent live performances. He went to both because he thought the first one was just a fluke, but it seems he has a similar experience at both venues.

I'd like to know what exactly would have made the experience better for you, silentbob? You obviously had expectations of the boys that weren't met. What were they? It must not be the songs, because you did say you like their albums.

From your first posts, you commented on the venues and the attendees, not the boys themselves. You keep saying you found the shows "boring" but I don't know what you think is "boring."

Did you think Adam or Eric weren't energetic enough? Or too bouncy? Too much in between song chatter? Not enough chatter? Not enough movement on the stage, or what passed as a stage? You did seem to enjoy Jordan's live performance. What made him different from Adam and Eric? Maybe you just appreciate a horn player better than a guitarist?

I can't really think of anything else offhand, so I'd appreciate knowing what your thoughts are.

Oh, and if you compare them to another performance or another band, please tell me more than just the title of other show or band. If you say, "well, it could have been so much better, like show X was" I'm not going to understand what you mean if I didn't go to show X. You have to explain what made that other show so much better, in your opinion.

 
 
silentbob
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 6:24 AM 

First off it wasn't my intent to come here and say "common rotation are crap" because i don't think they are, just the past couple of shows i had seen "I" didn't enjoy, i realise there are a great deal of people who did enjoy them, and fully respect that, and i am not trying to say that anybody was wrong in thinking that, i'm stating what my perception was. And asking if anybody thought the same, i have been on message boards for a while and hate it when people come along and just complain!!! I hope in some way i have been constructive, at least i've tried to be, not soley, negative.

So in response to the question about the boys,

I felt that on saturday they weren't that engaging, as a member of the audience, i sort of drifted, the reason i say Jordan was fantastic, was that when he played he held my attention, his performance stood out, in the end, i wandered off to the bar, most of the time i was thinking, this isn't good, (and i made it quite close to the front saturday) and yes, i saw more of Jordans perfomance than the other two! I just lost interest in their performance.

Oh and i spoke to my sister and asked her, (cos i'm thinking, maybe it was just me, maybe) and she said they were ok, they songs were good and stuff, just something was missing!

I guess its hard to put into words, when you are at a great gig you just know it, and when you aren't you know it to!!

Monday there was the crowd, and i couldn't see the band from the moment i got there, so its hard to judge the performance, they could have been stunning, but i wouldn't know.

I have always felt that Common Rotation should interact more with an auidence, for some reason Adam seems to strike me as a lead singer that keeps a gap, just from how he stands, to how he performs on stage, a sort of "you might not know what i'm doing and so i am cool.." no, in my opinion not.

The gig at the harvest for me was different, because he did interact a bit more, he seemed fresher at the harvest, in a way seemed tired at C6. Perhaps its simply that at the harvest i had no expectations so therefore thought what a great gig, as i had never heard of them before then.

What would have made it better, quite simply being able to see the band would have been nice, I suppose i gave up in the end!!

And i'm no stranger to standing gigs, i have been to many where the support acts are better than the act i had gone to see, for instance Kane (not the christian kane band) supported Maroon 5 at the Astoria in london, and i thought the energy the lead singer put into his performance was amazing, and though Maroon 5 weren't shabby by any means, i wanted to get Kane's album, and i only saw half of there set, but i wanted more!! (Note am not comparing to CR)

Perhaps its to do with expectations, perhaps i expected more, i guess, than i got!





 
 
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 7:02 AM 

@Silentbob

I think I start to see your point now. Adam seemed pretty tired to me as well (at C6) and you are right, they did put more energy in their performance at the Harvest. But as Jess has said it before:

Adam had to sign autographs for hours that day. Sure, he had to work at the harvest as well, but there was defently more time to chill out between guest talks, signings, photosessions and the gig.

I had the feeling that Adam needed more time to "get into it" at the C6 gig, but wouldn't go that far to say that it was "boring". That's the only thing, there was less energy. LESS, not "NO" energy.

Adam and Eric are only humans and everybody has a bad day from time to time. I don't know a person who's never been tired at work/ school.... and than try to entertain some folks who's never heard of you before. That won't work.

btw.. Kane did open for Marron 5? I envy you for that. I love them! (Yes I know, your not talking about Chris )

 
 
Art
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 10:00 AM 

Silentbob is just giving his opinion.

Some people love Common Rotation.

Some people love gangsta rap.

Some people love Tom Petty.

Some people love Peaches and Herb remixes that were found in the 99 cent bargain tape bin at a ghetto record store in Copiague.

It makes like fun.

 
 

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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 10:15 AM 

Peaches and Herb! God, that brings back memories!



Davina
xx

 
 
watcher652
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 12:39 PM 

Thanks for the feedback, silentbob.

 
 
Regan
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 12:57 PM 

I'm all about you stating your opinion..I haven't always liked every single thing ComRo has done. I took exception to the "Buffy fan" comment.

 
 
ToriaR
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 5:19 PM 

Feel the urge to apologise. I was a bit harsh with silentbob, but I think it was 'cause it was late at night and I was tired. It irked me a bit that his only points of comparison seemed to be other bands with ex cast members of Buffy or Angel in them, but I think it was all the exclamation marks that pushed me over the edge. But fair play to you for coming back and clarifying what you were saying. I still don't really agree with you, but that's not the point.

 
 
Silentbob
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 7:14 PM 

Thanks!

Can i just say thanks to all those who've come back and said.. "we don't agree but.."

All's fair in love and boards...

You have my respect guys. Even if we disagree.

 
 
Karen
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Re: UK dates

October 14 2004, 11:38 PM 

That's what I was trying to get at and I miss all the responding, go me. But that's what I was going to say, it was perhaps an off night. It happens.

Now another question...

What if you're a Shelby Woo fan?

REPRESENT!

 
 
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