Just read this on CoF
"I was one of the winners of that live 105 interview robert contest, Not sure if you heard about this already, but one of the first questions that was asked (i think it was that guy who was asking for questions a few days ago) concerned the attitude of certain members in the group towards ross and the possibility (probability?) that they may decide to leave because of it and if robert were forced to choose between working with ross again or not so as to consider the feelings of the others, and robert unequivocally answered that he'd choose ross (!!!), using his standard line that if one doesn't like what's going on in the group, then one needn't be a member of the group."

Did Robert really say this? What a shit attitude towards your friends, total dictatorship.

^ my thoughts exactly. Robert's a real bitch sometimes, more & more often lately. Aparently he's forgotten that the other band members have made some really substantial contributions in the past, or that they even have feelings at all.

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For a sunrise or a sunset, you're either coming or you just left
But you're always on the way
Towards a sunrise or a sunset, a scribble or a sonnet, they are really just the same

MaYbE, RoBsEsSiOn aNd I nEed To pAy a ViSiT tO RoSs AnD BrInG SoMe "NaCl" wHiLe We ArE @ iT..............MuAh Ha hA Ha hA Ha hA Ha hA Ha hA


J/k

"-!@!- "

i'm a little disapointed in this... that's just not cool Robert!

Wow i am also taken back by this one. Funny that he is standing behind Ross like this when most of us FANS cant even stand Ross and we dont even really know the guy. This thread seems to directly connect to another thread on here now.."Take that....MR. SMITH!!". Its age. Robert feels old. And we all know that as people age, sometimes some of them feel crochety and act that way. Its sad because Robert is making himself appear even older with some of these deliberatly mean statements.

Im kinda worried now, too. If all the other members of the band were to leave, does he have substitute back-ups. Something in my heart tells me we shouldnt all assume so. It seems to come down to the fact that Robert isnt the only one in the band aging. Afterall, the other guys didnt discover the Fountain of Youth and not tell Robert. Everyone eventually gets set in their ways. They are all becoming old dogs, and most old dogs will put up with being told what to do even less then younger dogs.


oy vey Robert...what the hell are we going to do with you?


EliseSometimes

wow. i just read this at COF too.

you know, im getting really sick, really fast of Ross. From the VERY beginning when i said i didnt quite love the new album...i knew it was because of him and his "ideas" for the Cure. The direction he's going in is completely pretentious and so very uncure-like.

Seriously, think about it: the new album was praised, why? because the Cure, a HUGE band from the 80s, were making a "comeback" there wasnt one article that didnt mention the "young, hip," ross robinson. would it have been the same if Robert had produced the album himself, like he always does? Think: the publicity circa Bloodflowers...yep, it wouldve been just like that. torn down in a second.

this comment is so f'n rude. i mean if roger and simon leave...forget it...theyre the only two longest standing members of the group. and when you think "The Cure" you usually think about them too. i dont know how many of us could imagine The Cure without Simon...or even Roger!! What's he gonna do call up Lol and say "hey old pal! we need you back to play keyboard!" or call up Phil or Mike Dempsey and say "Hey 'member us! we want you back in the band! now learn everything from the past 15 or so years that youve missed, k?"

i understand Robert's fear of aging wholeheartedly...i really do. but that's NO reason to let down a million older fans and the younger ones by producing mediocre music. and when i say mediocre i mean, not as good as they can do...NOT as good as Kiss Me, or Disintegration, what have you. the comparisons being made about the new album being their best since Disintegration are just BS. Bloodflowers was better...it wasnt as pretentious and lyrically inept as this album, but that's just my opinion.

now, im rambling...anyway, my point, if i have one, is that saying that is very shitty indeed and i hope for once that Robert was A) Lying or B) drunk off his ass C) being an asshole because he thought the question, to begin with, was rude, private, and out of bounds. Maybe he didnt want to discuss whats going on within the band quite yet.

if simon and roger chose to leave because of this...i can safely say, i dont blame them. all the more power to them.

just a heads up for robert: your young, kiddie fans will grow out of you...i promise. take a listen to rubber ring by the smiths...the man has a point, see whata mean?

lol FIC, let's go! i like your ransom post

I just read an article on COF from the Italian Rolling Stone. I thought it was terribly mean (and now I realize that maybe that's why Robert is lashing out at older fans).
but it mentions robert's decision not to have children, which was on another thread.

Robsession, i would like to read this article you mentioned from the Italian Rolling Stone...is there a link to it?

And are you saying you think he regrets deciding to not have children?

EliseSometimes

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/rsitaly04.html

here it is Elise.

Thanks Robsession for the article link..i just read it and found that i gained a bit of a new reception of Robert...
..but i still dont understand this: I thought it was terribly mean (and now I realize that maybe that's why Robert is lashing out at older fans).

What was mean? Sorry...sometimes i dont quite see what im supposed to.


EliseSometimes

elise, i think robsession was referring to the pig man remarks the journalist was making.

he does come around though to seeing the beauty in robert which makes it okay i suppose for the
criticism if you will...

Um, another way to look at the remarks is to remember that they are locked into a 3 record contract with Ross. Robert problably realizes how bad the situation is and can't do anything about it for now and it getting sick of hearing all the bitching. I can understand that. i have a few situations in my life that are completely out of my control, but everyone feels the need to bitch at me about them anyway. After a while, when someoneopens their mouth I just snap and yell, "Don't even bitch at me about shit I can't do anything about!"
And let's also not lose sight of the fact that Robert loves to lie and mislead when it suits him....

I know too well what you mean about people bitching about things that can't be changed, but the Cure's record deal is with Geffen, not Ross. Robert doesn't ever have to work with Ross again if he doesn't want to, but apparently he would have that sniveling ass-kisser around than the people who have stuck with him through more than a decade of good & bad times.

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For a sunrise or a sunset, you're either coming or you just left
But you're always on the way
Towards a sunrise or a sunset, a scribble or a sonnet, they are really just the same

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!....BUT WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

LOL

I do not have the physical proof, but according the the press releases released by the Cure and I am records the deal is a 3 album deal with I am. I am records is owned and operated by Ross. Geffen has agreed to 'distribute' the albums. So that is why the Cure are stuck with Ross because he is the head of their music label. What that means beyond that is just speculation.

There are many theories some may be true some may not be. We will not know until it happens. But for those who like to think of things, think of this. There is always a 'drama' quality to the release of the Cure's albums. Robert has cried wolf so many times on albums being the last album and Bloodflowers was overhyped as the last album/tour when it clearly wasn't that it is not going to get attention. So why not have the other band members cause the drama this time? Just a thought I will put out there for all to ponder.

Now as for the comments - if they are true - are in line with Robert's philosophy about the band. Unfortunatly he is very much the prick when it comes to his control over the Cure. If you do not like, or Robert does not like what you are doing, then you are out. It started with Michael Demepsey and the fact that there has not been any changes in almost 10 years should not make us feel secure. Simon left before after Pornography and came back. Who is to say what is going on. Should we think less of Robert as a person or morally because of his attitutude towards his friends if this is true? Yes, but we ought not be suprised. It has always been Robert's band even though Simon has been on most albums. It will continue to be his band. I would like to see that in their remaining years maybe they try being more of a band like on WMS (even though it might not be as good as other albums) than just doing what Robert/Ross want.

All I know is that I met Ross backstage @ curiosa and he was the coolest.
I changed the whole concept I had about him...
I even found out that my boyfriend worked with him a while ago, and my boyfriend said that yes, he is very passionate but than again he is supercool and friendly.
Now, about what Robert said, kinda heartless...
He's been saying a lot of rude s***** lately...
Like the one about the "older fans"...
What's next? Robert leaving Mary for a 20 year old???
(mid life crises???!!!!)

By the sound of the latest cd, I'd say the Cure are doomed - regardless of who is/isn't willing to work with Ross Robinson. The shitty record sales and half-empty ampitheatres should enough for an astute businessman to ditch Ross.

Based on the latest interviews with Robert, I'd say his marrage is doomed as well. He doesn't have the mindset to be loyal and for the first time ever, comes across as being incredibly materialistic. I'm sure there are plenty of 20yr olds willing to boost his ego - as well as promptly have a child (to insure 50% of his fortune)(first things first) or just burn through his millions.

thank god there was no internet when members left after wish. we are talking about boris and porlleaving and simon thought of leaving too after the wish tour. hell would have frozen over. those 3 members were more important to the cure sound than roger was. during that classic line-up era, they released arguably their 4 best albums, head on the door, kiss me x3, disintegration, and wish. now thats a great fucking run of albums. rogers imput on kiss me and disintegration was that of a session player and aside from that WMS, bloodflowers, and the cure where he was a real member of the cure, , the closest he got was disintegration. i love roger and he is the best keyboardist the cure ever had, but the cure lost their best ever drummer and guitarist, lost simon once and nearly twice. robert is an asshole? it should be no shock. he's super-cool and nice but even he has his moments. he's not jesus. this is the same guy who said in similar words, im sure someone can find the exact quote "i tried to destroy everything stable around me" or not even telling mike dempsy that he got kicked out of the band or making lol the group prank monkey. he did have a point and he has said it before. if members are un-happy they can leave, they've done so in the past. if roger leaves which i think he will, its not a big blow, cause all the classic keyboard parts were not even written by him and live he doesnt change the originals which he didnt write much at all and this new sound is obviously geared away from keyboards. if simon leaves, the cure should end. his bass lines make up a huge part of the cure in studio and live and couldnt be copied by a replacement. if the cure continue, the only replacement that might work is steve severin. they played together in the glove and siouxie and the cure were heavily influenced by siouxie and the banshees. but remember this is a band and they all get paid equally but essentially, robert smith is the cure. so he can do whatever he wants and the band can do what they want. they dont hate each other. amicable differences. as far as ross goes, he's a good producer but the cure have had better and done better when they did it themselves. ass he might be for throwing shit and breaking instruments, but he is a huge cure fan and got the ultimate job, something anyone of us would have wished to do if we were producers. do ppl hate him cause simon and roger hate him? if so thats a lame reason to hate someone. if he was a shit producer, then say so and explain why.

chris parry headed fiction and produced 3ib and bdc and that was it. ross owns i am, the contract is for 3 albums not 3 albums produced by ross robinson.

"Based on the latest interviews with Robert, I'd say his marriage is doomed as well."

Hum...not really...

"...Which is when the conversation turns, and we somehow wander into virgin territory and the man behind that hair, those albums, that contradiction, that visage, begins - as if pulling aside the curtain of his own theatricality to get at the core of the humanity behind it - to speak sheepisly about his wife. Mary.
" i've always found amazing over the years that all the intreviews I've done, no one has ever wondered for a second about Mary, the girl i'm married to, and whether she has a life outside mine." He sounds sad and wistful, the faintest hint of a small lump forming in his throat. Mary was his first love, his only love. And suddenly wonder if she's been the protagonist of every cure song ever written."They think it's just me that's mad," he says.
"And I've never told anyone otherwise - [ he then wispers, like a wink ] and I won't.
..."And his 45 years old, talking about his wife, simply saying, " i love her insanely. But the fact that you can feel that kind of blunt passion with someone [ his eyes perk up ]...is scary.. you can be dependent and completely fucked up and in love all at the same time." And isn't it that's how it goes? And isn't it that why "The kiss" belongs on the same album as "Just like heaven"?

Filter Magazine Summer 2004

I think that robert leaving Mary would be the biggest shock for me.
And when I said ;"What's next, leaving Mary for 20 year old" I was just expressing my anger about what he's been saying lately...

X, where do i sign up for that?!?!?!

i disagree with the argument that roger isnt really part of the band. to me he has been there for most important and most significant (record/sales wise) Cure albums. he IS the cure's keyboardist, end of story.

steven severin is a mighty good replacement...BUT id rather have simon...hes as much of the Cure as robert is, if not significantly more if you consider albums like Pornagraphy and Disintegration...those bass lines make up the songs.

i for one dont hate ross because simon and roger do (them hating him JUSTIFIES my dislike for him more, because theyre the ones in the studio with him and there word counts more than mine)...i just think he's a shit producer when it comes to the Cure. His work with Slipknot was fabulous...he should stick to it.

he may be a nice guy, i dont doubt it...but heavy rock is what he knows best. i said it from the SECOND i heard the new album in full length: "it's not that great...based on sound quality and production" Anyone who said it was would either be a fool, deaf, or too loyal of a Cure fan to see that they arent perfect and so a bad album is possible. that's what the majority of The Cure is...noise.

im not afraid to admit it anymore, like i was before. i dont really like the new album. there, i said it.

phew.

This talk about Ross being a nice guy reminds me of an interview with a German doctor. He treated Hitler's mother when he was young. He remembers how Hitler was with his mother and how he cared for her. Then without thinking he says that Hitler was a good person. He realized what he said and corrected himself. Now I am not saying Ross in like Hitler. What I am saying is that we often make hasty judgements based on a small circumstance. Those people who Ross got in backstage probably think he is a nice guy. Someone like Simon who worked with him does not think so.

I agree with white. Putting aside the quality of the songs, the album itself was mixed/produced poorly. I said it when the album came out. I think in terms of the music content/sound it is better than Bloodflowers, but in terms of production it is probably the worst Cure album.

People know that the Cure is Robert (or at least he is the most important). If given the choice between blaming a beloved member of your favorite band or some outsider, who are most people going to blame? The outsider. That is why people are upset at Ross. Add into that the fact that members of the band do not like Ross and we have more reasons to be against him. Then if Robert picks Ross over the band then we are forced to see a side of Robert we may not like to see.

What happens will happen. If there are legimate musical differences between Robert and certain band members then it would be better if they seperate. If it is Robert choosing Ross over the band and not about the music then Robert is an ass. That has nothing to do with the music, just a judgment about him personally.

Lol was there from the begining. He was on their most popular albums except for Wish. Jason is a much better drummer than Lol. To say that Lol would be a better choice because of album sales would be false. Who stays and who goes we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen. I think whatever we may want to think about Robert as a person, we all hope for a great next album. Chances are this means not having Ross as the producer. If the Cure put out a crap album and it is produced by Robert then we will at least have a clear person to blame for the sound unlike this time.

i would really hate if simon were to leave the group. i love robert and simon together. i really like this line up.
i hardly ever listen to the new cd.
i can understand what ross was trying to bring about on the new cd, but alot of it sounds so forced. and so rehashed. i would have loved to see what a new cd produced by the band themselves would have sounded like, since robert said that the new cd was going to be really heavy. it starts out that way with lost, but then the rest of the cd is all over the place. that first time i heard the end of the world on leno i was very disappointed. i thought it was a really sappy song. i posted that it was and some people were mad at me for sayng that. now, i think it's fun to sing, but i was really disappointed since i was expecting something heavier.

i think jax made a good point of us blaming ross since he is the outsider. but i'd bet any amount of money that the new cure cd would have been better if ross robinson hadn't produced it.

Jax...
hehe...
You didn't say that Ross is like Hittler...but to put them in the same thought is kinda funny...
Of course I have to think that he is cool for getting us on the stage.
But not only that, my boyfriend had only good things to say about him as well...
Not that I think that my boyfriend is always right...ha, trust me, I have a mind of my own...sometimes even too much...
But usually we like the same type of people...and he told me some cool stories...

I've said it before, and here I go again...this album is not my favorite...if it wasn't Cure I probably wouldn't have bought it...
But I have to say that some of the songs sounded really good live...specially "aniversary"...

"The master and his
servant have exactly the same fate. It’s a sunrise and a sunset. From a cradle to a casket.
There ain’t no way to escape. The sunrise and the sunset. Hold your sadness like a puppet, just
keep putting on the play. But everything you do is leading to the point where you just won’t know
what to do. And at that moment you may laugh but there is someone there who will be laughing
louder than you. So it’s true, the trick is complete. Now you have become everything you said
that you never would be. You’re a fool!"

I really liked the new album. Is it really not doing well? I thought I had heard it was doing okay, considering it's not a boy-band MTV crap kinda thing. Also I thought the concert tour was really going very well, but someone just said it isn't.

i read that curiosa was the highest grossing tour of the summer. i forget where i read it though. what can you do about album sales? look at the charts. it's depressing...the crap that ranks the highest.

What troubled me most about Roberts comments is Roberts apparent lack of direction for what is best for the Cure. Of course, what Robert thinks is best and what I/we think can be totally at odds, but I do think Simon / Roger have made, and would make in the future, far more valuable input into the group than Ross is capable of doing. It concerns me then that Robert is looking in the wrong direction for the Cure. Where does he want things to go? Why Ross? Is it something to do with him wanting to appeal to a younger audience? Does he really think Ross did a good job of producing the album? Or did he just enjoy working with him and is past caring about the outcome?
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i hope he doesn't pull a bruce springsteen. you guys probably don't remember but bruce got rid of the E street band and then formed this band of younger kids. what was he thinking? i used to be the biggest springsteen fan on the planet till then.

This being an election year maybe we should have a poll:)

Is Robert leading the Cure in the right direction?
Should Robert get rid of Ross?
Do you approve of Robert's handleing of the war on terror?
Was Robert right to invade Iraq?

'tsk 'tsk

i agree black cat
esp. with simon and roger making valuable and unforgetable input into the cure, far more than ross has made. i know some/many will disagree with me here but i believe that if roger and simon were to "quit" the group, then there will be no cure. yes robert is the face, the voice, and its his baby but simon and roger,(for lack of better words, i will repeat what was said on COF i believe) are the backbone of the group. to me if roger and even more so if simon left there would be no "cure" and it would be roberts solo stuff. no offence to perry and jason but thats how i would view it.

and another thing, did ross influence this album that much? i mean, robert is a controle freak when it comes to his band hes not going to do anything he dosent want to do. he knows what he wants and he knows how to get it, is one new producer going to change that? i believe no.

i dont know what i think of ross. yeah he may be a nice/good guy but a bitch to work with, i dont know. cant really form a honest oppinion about him cuz i dont know the guy. what i dont like is that he pissed off the other band members to the point of there now being rumors of the backbone members leaving. really, the boys have been doing this for a long time, wouldnt you think they would know what works for them and what doesnt? why try create and change something that is good. but then again, their last two albums havent done as well as this one, so maybe robert is trying somthing different to make them more "mainstream" or to increase album sales.......i'm just glad i dont have their job or ross's job for that matter.

i personaly love the new album except for two songs but am burnt out on it at the moment. i went to bloodflowers (that i was secreatly protesting it do to the boys not making it to seattle for the dream tour. but at the show in everett, robert said the tried to get here but couldnt, so ok, i'll listen to it now.) yeah, i'm a geek, what can i say.

This just reminded me of a comment Steve Sutherland made in an interview on the BBC6 Cure day last week - that Robert is a real dictator when it comes to recording, and during Disintegration made other band members take excessive amounts of drugs to see if the recording would go better. I know the other band members can get up and leave if they want, but I do think there are limitations on how you treat people. In any other workplace situation you wouldn't get away with treating collegues or members of staff like Robert treats the rest of the group. I'm just pleased Robert never went in for politics!
SD I agree, Simon is certainly essential to the group, visually and musically! Roger too, but I feel Simon more so, I always recognise his bass sound as being part of the Cure sound. Saying you can lose that is like saying you can lose Roberts guitar sound, just stick him up front to mime and look good.

JAX: HAHAHAHA!


BC: haha. robert the drug pusher. peeeeeeeer pressure! Now YOU take these drugs, SIMON...or else!

let's see, he boots Lol and Andy for debauchery, yet he pressures the others to take drugs during the making of Disintegration?

ladies and gents: robert smith, the "flip-flopper"

i agree with SD in saying that if Rog and Simon leave...it's basically a "Robert Smith Solo." Of course if he invited old members back...that would be different...but as much as i'd love to see Porl and/or Boris back in the band, that wouldnt happen and that's just like going backwards...if pushing the band forward means appealing to a younger audience and being more accesible to the mass media...

then im afraid the next cure album will NOT be a disaster (sales wise) but for me...a disaster nontheless. you'd think selling out only half of stadiums/venues this tour wouldve gotten the point across!!!

the only reason they were the highest grossing tour all summer anyway was because everything else was cancelled: Britney, Christina, Lollapalooza, etc...and the Ozzfest line-up wasnt what it used to be. and people in this country JUST dont have money to spend on concerts anymore, unless of course, youre a rich republican. they had no one to compete against, really.

it's been convenient for me to blame ross because i didn't really care for the new cd... but the fact is: robert wrote the material, ross just fucked up the production. it's not just me - everyone @ work has banned me from playing the cd... and i own the business, so - that's how emphatically others dislike it too.

of course i'm appalled by robert's comments. simon is the only one in the band i find lust-worthy anymore. if we're gonna talk about the cure & their fans on the basis of physicality, i guess i'd have to say age/weight/hairloss has certainly affected the pretty packaging... i mean, i ain't exactly a girlscout no more, but i aint the one trying to sell myself to <25yr olds.

the bad part is, in my heart i feel like robert's making a fool of himself w/ these comments not to mention his vain attempts to keep up with the hollywood crowd. next it'll be collagen lip-injections (for some of those big-fat fake hollywood lips), botox and a boob job for rob.

exactly BC and White!
i can see roger going and it not being a big impact to the sound of the cure, even though hes one of my favourites if not my favourite (i'm using "U" just for you black cat!) of all the boys. but simons sound is apart what makes the cure the cure. if simon goes, there will be no cure. and simons attitude will be missed as well. he keeps the punk/post punk eliment alive in the band. and yes, hes fun to watch on stage and not bad on the eye either. his energy is great live.

and about the drug thing. it was kind of disturbing to hear that but in reality, i think they all had been doing drugs to begin with so whats a few more hits of sid or a few more bowls going to hurt! LOL, hummmmmm. brings up a violent fems song into mind "did you do to many drugs, i did to many drugs did you do to many drugs to? baby". and working in the medical profession, alcohol/alcoholism is much worse than most durgs, even herion. it on the same lines as my least fave drug as cocaine. its very can cause a person to be disruptive and distructive, not only to a creative process but to themselves and others around them. it changes the chemistry of your brain, the physiology of it all is much to indepth to post on here but i'm sure that jax can explain it better than i could. just giving ppl insite in case they didn't have any before.

you're right about curiosa being the best selling concert because other tours were cancelled. i forgot about that woye.

The Detroit venue was quite big and seemed to be totally packed. I assumed audiences would be even bigger in larger cities.

my boyfriend keeps telling me that robert sounds more and more like a producer than a musician.... he says robert probably thinks himself a "big producer" and that's why he sounds more and more dictatorial... i dont' know what to think, really.... may be it's because of aging (as someone said?) or probably he's way too influenced by ross?
who knows what's really going on inside robert's mind....

Robert has always been in control of the group. While it was not as bad as the Smashing Pumpkins with Billy, it was pretty damn close. Bloodlfowers Robert not only wrote the songs but played all of the music for the band. They just came in and played it exactly how Robert said. The earlier music was that way too. The only album that seems a collaboration was WMS. This is the album where Robert let the band decide what songs to be on there. He let them come up with the sounds for the song. The albums before WMS, Robert would write the songs and know how he wanted them to sound. He would go in and tell the band and then the band would try and play it like Robert wanted it to be. They might 'suggest' something or play it in a different way and then Robert would pick what he wanted. So it is not as though they were studio musicians, but they did not have great control over the songs either.

The issue with Ross is a different matter. It is one thing to say this is my band and this is how things are going to go. Now you bring in someone else who you have not known for the past 25 years and go he stays and you call can fuck off if you do not like it. I think that is the issue.

That is the issue, but what Robert is saying to me here is that Ross is of more worth or use to 'the Cure' than Simon or Roger, which I simply don't think he is. I think Ross is of very little use. Whatever happens in the studio, I still think Simon has a bass sound that is very Simon and it would be missed. And very much he would be missed live, good to look at and good attitude - he should just go beat Ross up, probably make him feel better at least.

Maybe we should kidnap Ross and - not hurt him or anything, but maybe duck-tape him to a tree in the Canadian forest or something just long enough to get the next Cure CD out. Someone would have to feed him and give him potty breaks... no, that won't work.

Maybe we should kidnap him and take him somewhere so far away that it would take him long enough to get back home that the next CD can get recorded(?) someplace like Craplakistan?

CRAPAKISTAN!!!!! LMAO!!!!

When I read what Robert had said about that others could all leave, that he'd take Ross over them etc, I got really pissed off. Why cant he just get a young mistress or other crazy shit that guys do when they have that mid-life crisis/male menopause shit? He also is going non-stop with this Moz bashing, enough already, how long can you stay angry? Pugsly better get straight and fly right, the bottom line should open his eyes for godsake, the tour lost money and the cd is selling slow as liquid shit! I dont know maybe Ross gives a great blow job or something but to diss his band is beyond contempt, how do they feel about his latest diarhea of the mouth statements, does anyone know? If anything it is hurtful, no matter what they really think of him, it's embarrasing for them to hear him say this crap. Anyway Morrissey booked lots of gigs after palooza went south and I have my tix for Radio City Music Hall, a place I would have loved for the Cure to play, so Renfield can kiss my ass. ooooh I'd love to have the old site up again where we could email them at least to give support. I could put up with anything from that man but his disloyalty to his mates is not one of them.

Did anyone manage to record this radio station interview? I'm looking for a copy. If so email me

grump682@netscape.net


Thanks

John

Ross got the boot up the ass.

Wow, another really old topic.