If Robert Smith wants a change he should cut his hair off and take off the make up. That would do more for his future success than blowing off band members. Actually, he also might want to consider rehab - now that would really do him, his purse and his writing some real good.

yea... and take a bath too.

if he could, he'd probably fire all of his fans as well.

His hair does look kind of oily in those award pics. I wonder if it's gel, mouse, or whatever.

If you had the balls you would post as your own username. We don't know what happened. All I know is that Roger spread nasty rumours and Robert and him don't get along anyway. If Robert's haircut is so important to you, might I suggest getting into another band.

It's just a band, and it's only text folks...chill.

Robert changing band mates dont bother me at all. Robert will still be Robert and his music will continue to be wonderfull. he has gone through so many band mates throughout his career, i wont judge him for the things he does.
lots of love for Robert. he's the only one i really love from The Cure xoxo

Quit bashing Robert, He has always led The Cure in the right direction. I do believe he knows whats best for The Cure.

molly & wishcat I agree with you guys roger goes from bashing the pop songs in the live sets, to bashing roberts choice of producer which added fuel to the fans hatred of the guy, to stating to anyone that would ask him during curiosa that he planned on leaving the cure to saying that he was essentially fired. something doesn't add up there :/ keep in mind that roger was in the middle of another major duel with bandmates THE FIRST TIME he left. It was either with Porl or Borris, don't remember whiich. Roger is easy to approach and easy to talk to which makes many fans have a closer attachment to the band, thats gone now and I think people are upset about that. Whatever the case, it is Roberts band, as the lawsuit of everyone's other favorite ex member Lol proved. Quite honestly, Lol had more to do with the Cure's sucess than Roger did, which wasn't much to begin with. He was there when they were some shitty band, to the pornography disaster, to the ressurgence of the cure as a stadium rock band. I'm sick of reading oh poor Roger, oh poor Perry, Robert is such a fucking asshole shit. this is going to be a huge generalization, but i know a lot of female cure fans got into the cure cause robert was hot hot hot, as is evident by the large number of high school girls who went to cure shows in the late 80's and early 90's. My older brother has a friend who told me recently, his friends and him use to joke about that and go to cure shows to meet chicks even though they hated the cure. so cut the crap about roberts hair, make-up, weight and all that other crap. he's fun to make fun of but insulting him is a bit different.

I've noticed something about these posts.

Each picks a side

A) Robert is an ass.

B) Robert can do no wrong.

What's present: Lot's of unfounded opinion.

What's lacking: Facts and/or sources.

how about some c heese?

MAy the force be with them!

Well I didn't even know what Robert looked like for three years when I discovered and listened to the Cure. But no matter how it happened, I'd still be sad about it. Cuz they were awesome on stage together and I had a great time meeting them. Daria lala please pass the cheese, brie if you have any. Or bleu cheese. Or a grilled cheese. And some wine please. I'm not going to France now so I gotta pretend....

yea, the bottom line is:
i don't care if robert hires celine dion and cher to back him up - I JUST WANT ANOTHER CURE ALBUM, PLEASE!

AND FAST!

(cuz i'm get'n fidgity)

i have to say maybe the way the whole thing went down was shitty, and that latest pic of robert
leaves much to be desired, it was apparently a bad day but i still love the cure and i still love robert
for giving me hours of great music to indulge in and i'm sure he will lead the group in a new and
exciting direction and produce another great piece of work..sometimes change is necessary and good
and who knows maybe we'll see porl banging out on the guitar again in the future...now wouldn't that make alot of us happy!

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yo no sabia!

yeah...paris is out for me too!!!
if im happy with what the new albun sounds like...ill go see them in england next year...


yours curely...
-midnight-

sigh. i'm not gonna bash on robert and i know the band has gone through many changes but its still very sad news. any ways i'm very glad i got to meet both of them a few times this past year. Le sigh.

"I've been waiting for a guide to come and take me by the hand. Could these sensations make me feel the pleasure of a normal man?" -Ian Curtis

I don't think Robert Smith has always taken the Cure in the right direction. Look at the last 5 albums the Cure has made. I rest my case. And the Limp Producer!
Roger wasn't the only person in the band stating his opinion on the internal workings.

Robert Smith's hair represents his own refusal to change.
It's a symbol. He makes it such an integral part of his persona - and it's just so unnecessary anymore. By the way, as with most people here, I've spent alot of money on Cure
merchandise - so I can say what I want, just like everyone else can.

Hey Robert -please stop reissuing albums over and over and over and over again and take some musical risks FOR A CHANGE!!!

"Robert Smith's hair represents his own refusal to change."

O.O Robert has always been changing things with his career.and he has cut his hair many a times.
and tryed new things with the sound of his music. compare Faith album to "boy's don't cry"
he just likes to try new things, break away from the same ol' same ol'


"But just like the rain
i'll be always falling, yeah
only to rise and fall again..."

Faith and Boys Don't Cry are over 20 years old.
I'm talking about his music NOW.

well i dont see anything wrong with his music NOW!
i think it sounds good.
and i like his side projects with Blink and so forth.
sounds good to me.
he said he wanted to try new things, and that he didnt want to stop making music.
i wont judge him on what decsions he makes as long as he still keeps making music i'll enjoy.

"But just like the rain
i'll be always falling, yeah
only to rise and fall again..."

I think Robert wears his hair how he likes it, and dresses how he likes it, and thats fine, neither of these factors affect the Cures music. Personally I don't care if he looks like he just got out of bed after a long night of partying, I often look like that myself! Musically though, most will probably agree Ross was a bad decision, so hes not incapable of making bad band decisions. Yes the Cure will go on without Roger and Perry (they would also go on without Simon if it comes to that), they will make songs we love, songs we hate too probably, just like on the last album (to me 4 great songs, some acceptable ones and two bad ones). I still think Robert behaves like a total asshole in these situations though, musically he may be the best and thats really all that matters, so long as he doesn't become a right wing paedophile nazi, its not going to change my enjoyment of the music.

PREACH IT JULES!!!

"I don't think Robert Smith has always taken the Cure in the right direction. Look at the last 5 albums the Cure has made. I rest my case. And the Limp Producer!"

2004 The Cure
2000 Bloodflowers
1996 Wild Mood Swings
1992 Wish
1989 Disintegration

I see three great albums, one average album, and one below average album.

"right wing nazi pedophile" I agree with you blackcat.

I can hear myself chanting "We hate most in other people what we hate most in ourselves." The most vain will be concerned mostly with appearance. Those that seem to require some kind of Usher-esque physique, and styling would do well to leave the fanatics to their own opinions and go watch Usher. It just reveals where your priorities lie, and how much you probably worry over your own appearance when you go on and on about the superficial appearance of someone famous.

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I can't say I've loved every song released since Disintegration (even then, "Homesick" and "Closedown" bored me) but for my taste, there have been some gems tucked in the last few albums, too. So, once more, an opinion (and no matter how much those who agree with each other convince themselves it is so) is not empirical fact to everyone. If this were the case, all of us Cure fans would be wrong, anyway, because apparently Britney Spears has the media and a huge following. More people with the same opinion does not equal a fact. Period. Rest your case on something other than your opinion of the last five albums, please, because that doesn't resonate as true in my taste.

As for the band. I'm waiting for official word on what's going on. Since I am neither owner nor member of the band, I will refrain from making an assumption until I see the results. After all, I about chucked in my fan status with Wish because it deviated by band members and sound to such a degree. But the gems in it have kept me around this long. I'll just wait and watch, because, as a fan, I have that luxury.

i don't know - anymore, i just feel like an idiot when i tease my hair and do siouxsie make-up... so that means i prolly look like an idiot as well.

i bought some great superfly glasses in l.a. and thought i'd look REALLY cool in them for dress'n up... but when i did get freaky again and put them on -

I JUST LOOKED LIKE ZSA ZSA GABOR!!!

...and i wanted to slit my wrists for looking so much like an old, fat, washed-up lush.
shit, man! i never thought i'd see the day.

I remember Simon saying how much he hated Ross too, out loud and in print, he is right too. I just dont like how this was done, booking gigs and not telling people who are still in your band, that's f'd up. I've been around musicians a lot, too much, and they always talk shit about each other. It doesnt mean they will get kicked out if the fearless leader hears about it (then Simon sure would be gone). RS just this past summer said how this was the best Cure line up ever, so what happened recently to make him do something this drastic.
As Robert has gotten older and fatter the make-up got heavier and the hair frizzier, he really could have gone for a better look. I wont even get into how he dresses, ay carumba! He's a good looking man, really he is, but he is hiding behind all the shit for some reason, who knows why. Simon is the one who has the rocker look, he stays contemporary and I wish Robert would take the hint from him.
that being said, we will all see how it turns out this summer when they go out live, time will tell. I hope it will be great but dunno. toni

wow, another response mentioning the weight and the looks. whatever.

and the way i read the billboard thing about roger, he said robert called him and said he was going back to a 3 piece and found out about the summer tour via a fan website. never said he found out about the shows and then robert called him or vice versa, so stop assuming what was said. and if he did indeed find out about the shows after he was no longer in the band, so what, he's not in the band anymore, why should he know about what they plan on doing over the summer?

I'll will always love Robert regardless of how he looks like...but c'mom..he doen't have to dress like a homeless person...to receive an award...please...
When I started listening to The Cure, I was 11/12, it was really all about the music, I personaly didn't think he was hot (now when I look back I think he was really hot). But when I was a teen, my ideal guy (beauty) was Tom Cruise and Rob Lowe. I thought Robert was weird...oh well...
About the changes in the group, to be honest, I don't really care... I love The Cure because of Robert. He is The Cure...who knows what really happened anyway???? I'm not gonna sit here and try to figure it out...as long as Robert continues doing what he does, and tours in USA at least one last time...I won't care what the line up is ...I'm happy...

meanwhile...I'll perve on Paul...hehehe

but by all accounts Roger found out about the tour before he was told he was out of the band. I'm sure reading about tour dates was enuff to figure out he was gone, if this isnt how it played out then his post on his website makes no sense at all.

hey toni!
what you said about robert's 'midlife crisis' (on procure) cracked me up!
but i was thinking. maybe this will all play out just fine and the next release from the cure will be really great - in a simplified violent femmes kind'a way(?)

they were really good in the unplugged special, so

you got to keep hope alive,I'm trying. I had a slight headache this morning, after I read this stuff it was a full blown migraine, no shit. I canceled my plans and am just suffering, um does taking lots of prescription pain meds count as suffering? seriously I feel like shit and just hope Robert doesnt implode or anything and just un-cure himself altogether, at least we have tons of good music from years gone by to listen to, but still you know how I feel. TONI, THINK HAPPY THOUGHTS!

Who's the hot guy in the pic above?

PAUL BANKS !!!!!!!!!!!

I'm with Pinkcat on this. The more i think about this whole thing the more I really don't care. I mean, Oh well, big deal. I love Roger don't get me wrong but he never really seemed like part of the group anyway. He just seems too talented, too strong of a personality.

Anyway, the show must and will go on. I highly doubt anyone will miss the two of them after the first 5 minutes of the first concert as a threesome and Robert knows this. Roger is no shrinking violet. He will emerge elsewhere.

RE Dest's post. You tell someone to stop making assumptions and then go on and make an assumption based on the way you read something. In reality, you seem to be saying, "Stop making an assumption that attempts to further a hypothesis that I don't agree with." That person's assumption is no less valid than yours.

Hell so much shit.
To those who still have to whine on about how Robert looks, read back to Pyra's post, she hit it just right with 'The most vain will be concerned mostly with appearance.' So Roberts scruffy, hasn't he always been, so what, who care's? Oh yeah, those who are weak minded enough to be influenced by how somepone dresses. As for his weight, well yeah lets face it, he is a bit over and personally I do wish he'd lose a bit, for the good of his health - purely being selfish here, I want him healthy to keep on making records and touring long into the future.
As for the way he treats people, yes he's mean, he should probably just employ session musicians so he can shit on them as much as he wants.
Now, maybe with the release of the early albums he wanted to be a three piece to get back to the old times and get a simpler sound, maybe they'll play more old stuff on tour, who knows why, we'll find out in time.

are we realy shallow just because we comment on how bad robert looks in a picture? robert was the one who came up with the "style" thing in the first place. it wasn't an accident that he wore makeup and teased his hair way up. it was contrived. to say that vain people only notice how other people look is stupid. we're visual beings that's why we have eyes. how can you ignore that robert looks like an unmade bed. what's on the outside really is as important as what's on the inside. it's really a balance of the two. one is just as important as the other.

>>>>meanwhile...I'll perve on Paul...hehehe

HEAR, HEAR.

(Nnnnnnnngh..he gives me fits..they ALL do..)

Sorry, off-topic; but, it needed to be said.

and the way i read the billboard thing about roger, he said robert called him and said he was going back to a 3 piece and found out about the summer tour via a fan website. never said he found out about the shows and then robert called him or vice versa, so stop assuming what was said. and if he did indeed find out about the shows after he was no longer in the band, so what, he's not in the band anymore, why should he know about what they plan on doing over the summer?

Anon. how am i assuming here? i do admit i made a generalization in a previous post and did assume something, but said "this is a generlaization" because I would admit to things like that, but did you even read the statement made by roger for billboard?

"Elaborating to Billboard.com today, O'Donnell reveals that he was informed by Smith that he is transforming the Cure into a three-piece, backed only by bassist Simon Gallup and drummer Jason Cooper. "There's not really much you can say when you are the fifth member," he says, adding that he found out about the Cure's upcoming live dates via a fan Web site."

please post a name, this anon. why is everyone so afraid of saying what they feel hiding behind an anon? its not like we even know someones real name and where they live, it just helps reading posts in other threads and it makes responding easier :/

and i was responding to this...

"I just dont like how this was done, booking gigs and not telling people who are still in your band, that's f'd up"

that was my post and I swore I signed it Toni, not anon. Yes I read the Billboard thing and the time frame of when he spoke to RS seemed to me like it was after the fact. Like I said before ,Rogers message on his site doesnt make much sense if he knew he was out. That is unless he was stirring the pot. I'm just expressing my opinion and I DO sign my name, why wouldnt I? I'm not exactly the type that gives a crap if someone doesnt agree,it's a big world with lots of ideas. I'm also pretty sure Mr. Robert Smith cares diddly what we all are thinking about this, and why should he? He's a SUPERSTAR (does Molly Shannon-Mary Katherine lunge) Toni

I support any decision that Robert Smith makes about the band 100%. Nobody on here can possible understand all of the circumstances and it is wrong to assume and gossip about what has happend, just deal with it and I can't believe people are actually bashing Robert on his looks... Grow up! I love Robert's image and I hope he would never think to change it. He is, in my opinion the most beautiful human being and the definition of perfect...

I think Robert Smith the rock star and millionaire can handle it, so deal with the fact that people have different opinions than yours and stop the attempted censorship. Unless you know Robert Smith personally, then you have no reason to tell people off. Speaking of which, Robert Smith is the most beautiful person on earth? What on earth are you basing that on?
Do you know him? Or have you even met him other than for 30 seconds at a show?

HELLO? When there is talk about Robert Smith's hair and makeup - people are discussing his theatrical presentation on stage, and for photo-ops and public appearances. NOT HIS PERSONAL STYLE!!!! COME BACK TO REALITY!!!!

i agree. it's a band. it's business for crying out loud,

toni, i was not saying you were anon. i was referrinmg to a post that was written to my post after i responded to yours. i was just pointing out what post i originally responded to which is why i quoted yours. sorry for the confusion.

Sometimes it's preferable to post anonymously.
That way we cant see any battle lines being drawn.

This is one fan who is looking forward to a new cd by the Cure !

Crystal,
were you referring to me? "Deal with the fact that people have different opinions than yours and stop the attempted censorship." You have to be kidding me, right? I don't know if you read correctly what I wrote but I ask you please read it again...

"I support any decision that Robert Smith makes about the band 100%. Nobody on here can possible understand all of the circumstances and it is wrong to assume and gossip about what has happend, just deal with it and I can't believe people are actually bashing Robert on his looks... Grow up! I love Robert's image and I hope he would never think to change it. He is, in my opinion the most beautiful human being and the definition of perfect..."


Now if you don't understand, here let me explain it bit by bit for you...

"I support any decision that Robert Smith makes about the band 100%." NOw that is my opinion, that is okay, right?


"Nobody on here can possible understand all of the circumstances and it is wrong to assume and gossip about what has happend". A true fact, unless anyone on here is a member of the band (I am unaware of it!), you can't possible understand all of their dealings.


"and I can't believe people are actually bashing Robert on his looks... Grow up! I love Robert's image and I hope he would never think to change it. He is, in my opinion the most beautiful human being and the definition of perfect..."
Once again, my opinion, I even stated it as my opinion... So please Crystal, explain to me were you mistook what I wrote as an attemt for censor ship?


"Robert Smith is the most beautiful person on earth? What on earth are you basing that on? " I think you are the one attemting censorship. What the fuck do you mean "what on earth are you basing that on" ? I'm basing that on my fucking world you idiot, I claimed it as only my opinion, not yours or anyone elses. I could care less if you agree or disagree, because it is obvious that you are illiterate.


Sorry, I would not normally speak rudely as this but that comment if directed towards me, which it seems it was, really took me over the top. If not directed towards me , which I doubt, I apologize.


Cheers,
Amy

tsk tsk telling people to grow up, calling them illiterate, calling them idiots...just because you don't like what they say....

Oh stop, people. It's only a band...don't get your panties in a twist.

Yeah so I got a little bored after about ten of the comments so I skipped them. I don't really see this going anywhere pleasant outside of recordings though. The live show may be a bit lacking now.