If You're a Christian, Muslim or Jew - You are Wrong


We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.
These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.

Osama bin Laden is insane. He believes God whispered in the ear of Mohammed 1,400 years ago about how he should conquer Arabia. Mohammed was a pure charlatan -- and a good one at that. He makes present religious frauds like Pat Robertson look like amateurs.

He said God told him to have sex with as many of the women he met as possible. I'm sorry, I meant to say "take them as wives." God told him to kill all other tribes that stood in his way or that would not placate him with assurances of loyalty or bribes. God told him, conveniently, that everyone should follow him and never question a word he said.

He sold this bag of goods to the blithering idiots who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time. If that weren't shockingly stupid enough, over a billion people continue to believe the convenient lies that Mohammed told all that time ago -- to this very day.

We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion. The people who believe in science are the minority. The people who believe in bloody fairytales are the overwhelming majority.

George W. Bush is the most powerful man alive. He is a class A imbecile. He is far less intelligent than the average Christian. But like most of the others, he believes Jesus died for his sins. That idea is so perverse and devoid of logic it should shock the conscience. Instead, it gets him elected, and earns him the reverence of a great percentage of America. America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.

There is no damn Easter Bunny. There is no Jesus waiting to return. Moses never even existed. These were all convenient lies from the men of those times to gain power. Their actions were rational -- they wanted to deceive their brethren so that they could amass power. I get their motivations. But I cannot, for the life of me, understand our motivations, thousands of years later, still following the conmen of yesteryear into our gory, bloody, violent end.

Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist. And he died on that cross like a fool. He fancied himself the son of God and he could barely convince twelve men to follow him at a time when the world was full of superstition.

Excellent marketing by some of his followers would later rescue his botched effort. How many people saw his miracles? One? Twelve? Eighty? Why didn't he show the whole world? Not because this is some giant pop quiz by God to test us -- but because he did not perform any miracles!

Even his apostles can't agree on what miracles he supposedly carried out or when he carried them out. Or whether he returned after death or he didn't. Whether they saw him in person or just as a vision. Rational human beings shouldn't believe this kind of nonsense. Yet most of the world does.

If a man today killed his only son to show how much he loved other people, he would be considered a madman, locked in jail and earn society's contempt. Yet we think this is some sort of noble act by our Father in Heaven.

In Heaven? What, with the harps and the winged angels and the 72 virgins? My God, how stupid do you have to be to believe that?

I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.

So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material. And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp. But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.

There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion. I hate to do this to them. But we have killed far too many people, wasted far too much time on this nonsense for us to keep going in this direction for fear of offense.

Jesus was a lunatic. God is not coming to your rescue. He hasn't come to anyone's rescue in thousands of years, including Jesus. Mohammed was a power hungry, scam artist and ruthless conqueror. Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination of some long dead rabbi. He would probably laugh his ass off at all of you who still believe the fairytales he made up thousands of years ago. He probably wouldn't even believe it if you told him.

Did I mention Judaism? The chosen people? Come on, get off it. People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses. I'm tired of all the deaths because we did not want to give offense. Orthodox Jews are wrong and ridiculous.

As are the orthodox and fundamentalists of all of the religions. It says in the Bible that it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different cloths or to eat shellfish. If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.

How long are we going to dance around the 800-pound gorilla in the room? The world is run by madmen. It's not just Bush and bin Laden. It is the leader of all of the countries in the Middle East, almost all of the Americas and most of the rest of the world.

Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.

Right now as you read this, there are ignorant, hateful Muslims teaching other ignorant Muslims how to put on a suicide belt. There are orthodox Jews telling other Jews how they must never leave their "holy land" no matter what the consequences are to other human beings. They assure their followers -- remember, they are not the chosen ones, we are. If we crush and oppress them, don't worry, God will excuse it, and even desires it, because He is on our side.

There are maniacal Christians who are praying for the end of time. Who are hoping that most of the world's population is wiped off the face of the Earth by their vengeful and murderous God. Whom they believe is, ironically, a loving God. Unless, of course, you make the fatal mistake of not kissing his ass and appeasing him, in which case he will slaughter you and condemn you to eternal torture. What kind of sick people believe this?

The kind who live next to you. The kind who voted for George Bush. The kind who send their religious leaders to the White House to argue against even-handedness in the Middle East because it would prevent their sick prophecy. The kind who have undue influence over how we use the greatest and most lethal army ever built by man.

If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed. Learn the real nature of our universe and put aside old wives tales about resurrected Gods, omniscient prophets and a guy who could split the Red Sea but couldn't find where he's going in the desert for forty years.

It's the year 2005. Let's start acting like it.

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thank you anon for remaining anon.

ok...............................

1st of all i dont entirely agree with what this guy says, i find it really interesting though and i wanted to see what everyone here thought of it.
but unfortunatly this post was removed before i could even view any comments.

i guess people here can't handle a little debate.

removed how? ic an see it and read it

yea cuz i re-posted it. duh.

I think it's a good thing to question the beliefs this guy has, also to question this guy himself. Thanks for the link Daria.

i do agree on some of his points but overall the guy is full of himself. i'm not big into religion, but religion has done a lot of good for people. for a lot, it makes them better people or more compassionate. his problem is with fundamentalists of all kind, and to that, yes, i respect his views and agree with them. but overall, saying "your ignorant and brainwashed because you believe in Jesus or Allah" shows how ignorant he is.

also consider that these fundamentalist in every religion are a very small percentage of their religion. There are hundred of millions of Muslims, Christians, and Jews in the world. you only hear about the bad ones because the news and media thrive on horrific stories. whens the last time you've heard on the news that a nun helped a drug addict get help and gave him or her food and shelter or the last time you heard a muslim who gave money and food to the poor during ramadan? these things happen everyday but you wont hear it cause it's not good for ratings and wont sell magazines and newspapers.

it was prolly deleted because - let's face it, it sounds totally crackpot.

daria's acknowlegement of your post gave it instant credence.

oh yea, and we don't need serious religious stuff to get people jumping @ each other's throat - we can do that over something as trite as... say a U2 concert.

I'm not trying to get everyone "jumping @ each other's throat"
I simply want to hear what everyone has to say about this.
I'm not really a religious person, I believe there is something out there and there has to be more than this to life. I don't want to believe that we are here for nothing, that after we die thats it, nothing else happens for us. my boyfriend kinda agrees with what this guy says. He thinks it's a good article. He's all into science and is an athiest. It kinda bothers me so I wanted to see what other people had to say about all this.

oh and... "I think it's a good thing to question the beliefs this guy has, also to question this guy himself. Thanks for the link Daria."

why are you thanking her for the link? in my original post i had a picture of the guy and a link to the site. Daria is being sarcastic to me cuz i re-posted it and didnt put up the links. but i doubt anyone thanked me on that thread for the links.

daria is known to be a sarcastic wench around here - thats why we luv her so.

as for the "crackpot" post -
i get enough of that shite on the 6 o'clock news.

and it has nothing to do with the cure or ... anything music related. it just sounds like some crap that was randomly posted - so that probably why it got deleted.

"and it has nothing to do with the cure or ... anything music related"


well baby pictures and boat trips and other shit people talk about here are not cure or music related. but i dont see that getting trashed.

so like, what do you want/expect from us?

respect?
afirmation?
recognition?
medication?

lets cut the crap and just tell us what it is you want

I would tend to think the "randomly posted" crap part was what was meant about why - not just because it isn't Cure-related - but that religion and politics are two very basic topics to set everyone into heated, or even attacking/attacked, conversations. Differences in tastes, no matter how superficial, will often send people into rages, thinking they've been personally attacked, too.

Love off-topics, love discussions, don't have a lot of time to post, as the two and a half week old is getting antsy, again - but caught a couple minutes to read through this... sadly, again, everyone's gettin' really itchy about posts and topics...

Personally, I struggle between having experienced so much that is not approved by atheists as relevant, and wanting very much to be atheist but not succeeding...

If someone wants to yell at the world for faith, it probably says more about the guy yelling than about the faiths... Whenever I've done my railing against faiths, it was more to do with my own struggles than my wish to change everyone else.

And I think even without religious differences, there will still be a ton of things people will find to war and battle about. So, taking away someone's comfort in the Unseen isn't the way I'd advocate to save the world...

And with that, Trent now wakes up.

how do i always end up the wench?

"so like, what do you want/expect from us?

respect?
afirmation?
recognition?
medication?

lets cut the crap and just tell us what it is you want"


I already said i want to see what people have to say about this. if you read what i wrote you would know this. so stop trying to be a smart ass!

oh its ok midnight, i dont mind being called a wench. i found  ou t  that an adjective  version for wench is actually a wanton. nice. i always knew i was asian.

This response may be a bit too serious considering the tone of this thread but oh well:

Belief is generally secondary to motive and action. I'd say most people act and are motivated by selfish motives: lust, greed, desire for power, desire for blood - religion is usually just used to justify them; as are many other ideolodies, theories, "science", etc. The problem, to my mind, is not "belief", but lack of self-control. And this is something which is independent of any set of beliefs. In other words, it might be worth while to look at belief as justification rather than motivation. The modern world has many peace loving Muslims, Christians, Jews, and atheists. So, would you judge them by their beliefs, or the merit of their deeds? Do you judge your friends by their beliefs, or by their actions?

Or to put it differently: "Generalizations? That way leads to the Dark Side..."

Hahaha

i've been called a vile wench - which i took as a complement, considering the source.
i liked the title so much i printed it on a t-shirt and wear it with pride.

me sarcastic? how so?

anna,  can i get one of those shirts as well?