baltimore sun - nov. 2, 2005
Donald Rumsfeld to Profit Millions from Bush Spending on Avian Bird Flu Pandemic

president bush unveiled a $7.1 billion plan yesterday to guard against an avian flu pandemic, calling for the stockpiling of 20 million doses of vaccine and enough anti-viral drugs to protect health care and public-safety workers in case of an outbreak...

the prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world.

Rumsfeld served as Gilead's chairman from 1997 until he joined the bush admin. in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.

I wish I read more. Howcome only one company in Europe has the patent on the remedy? Those bastards!!! I read a company in China was willing and able to make the vaccine for the bird flu but the bloody company would not allow it. They said it takes a year to produce. Just another bullshit day in America. Fear for profit my ass!!!! I'd rather die from the flu than pay for the vaccine...

maybe the person who owns the patent, is the anti-christ.
Lock your doors and shut your windows the armagedden is here.

just another day and another butt-fucking from our government...

Let us remember who we can thank for so few pharacutical manufacturers in the U.S.

Us.

Yes, the law suit happy people of the good old U.S.A. We have chased away all the manufactureres of most of our medications to Europe (where there are laws to protect for the benefit of all) because we think its OK to sue everybody that comes down the pike. So, pat yourselves on the shoulders and be thankful that ANY company is willing to research and manufacture drugs for you in America.

well i understand from my allergist it's going to be difficult for the virus to mutate into an airborne cooty, so in other words - a pandemic prolly ain't gonna happen.

our government is trying to scare us (again).
scared voters won't question why so much $$ was spent on a worthless vaccine.
rumsfeld will walk away with millions of tax payers dollars because we were ignorant enough to let it happen.

The "spin" has begun....
The best way to divert the nation's focus on the mishaps of Bush's administration is to cause wide spread panic by creating a potential "pandemic". Bush is also trying to cover his sorry ass from the hurricaine Katrina fiasco by being this caring, well prepared, people president.

Ass

quit complaining about our government!!!
it's the best one around!

no! make me!

If we have the best govt around then whey does most of the world hate Bush? Including half of the US?

"If we have the best govt around then whey does most of the world hate Bush? Including half of the US?"

Even though most people hate Bush, we still have the best government around!!
Please tell me what other government out there is better? Would you rather be in Iraq?

Shut up and quit complaing!

Unless you've researched every other government in the world, you cannot say that we have the best one... Just because the US is the richest country in the world, it does not mean that it's the best! You've been brainwashed just like everyone else... Try living in another culture sometime- you'll see things from different perspective. And by the way, you can't say I'm unpatriotic- I'm a veteran. I gave up 4 years of my life for this country!!!

And by the way- you're a coward for posting as "Anonymous"!

Amy,
You tell them girl!!!!!!!!!!!

yea, i always thought we had the best gov in the world, but thinking analytically, i have plenty of very happy friends abroad - whose peaceful existance proves that there are other places where people can live happily as well, so...

i guess it's all perspective.

people can live happy somewhere else, but that dont mean that they have a better government than us. we have a pretty good government compared to most places!! why the fuck do you think SO many people wanna migrate and risk there lives to come to the U.S.
everyone needs to just quit complaining like little babies. things are not perfect with our government but it's one of the best ones out there. be happy that women can vote here and that women can chose whoever they wanna marry and that women dont have there viginas sown together or there clit removed so they dont feel peasure! WTF everyone here is fucking spoiled or something, get real and see the big picture!

You're the one that needs to see the big picture.... If we just sit around and act happy, the politicians have won! Do you really want things to get worse? It is the people that can change things... If the people didn't try to improve things in 1776, we would be living in part of England right now!!!

No offence intended, English friends... But you did treat us pretty shitty back then!!!

Is it time for your medication now?

Ha ha. At least I'm not a coward!

"If we just sit around and act happy, the politicians have won"

i didnt say to "sit around and act happy". just brought to your attention that we have one of the best governments around so quit whining!
get over it! you know im right.

I know you're right? Um, no. Would I be arguing if I thought you were right?

If our government is so great, then why do we have all these problems? Don't you think that a truly great country wouldn't go around boasting to the rest of the world about how great it is?

You want us to stop complaining- why? There is no middle ground- either we complain and do something about it, or we sit around and do nothing. What do YOU suggest we do? What is YOUR great answer to our situation besides "stop complaining"?

Don't get me wrong- there are a lot of worse places to be, and we do take a lot for granted. But if we stop questioning the politicians.... I'd hate to think of where we would end up.

"If you tolerate this, then your children will be next!" -Manic Street Preachers

I believe we have the best government, I just hate the asshole who's running it.

thank you scared
see im not the only one who see's this.
amy you need to chill out before you go postal on someone.

...I wasn't disagreeing with Purple! She made some valid points.

While I didn't realize how strongly I felt until I started typing, I was far from being upset... I only wish I could talk this way when I'm face to face with people!

And I agree with you, Scared... The system is corrupt because the people running it are corrupt. Our system no longer serves the people as was intended by our forefathers!

and how!

go amy go amy (turning in cirlces and shaking hands lol)

the only problem is that if you were to do now what the forefathers did in Boston harbor you will end up in jail.

I know- I would be a "terrorist"!!!

modern life sucks dont it

True Democracy is the best govt.

Which we don't have here, but we could

our government may not be perfect but it's the best one around. so apreciate it a little. geez, we have so much freedom and yet people whine whine and whine. most people would be happy to be here. if you have a problem with the government then complain to them and do something about it, don't sit here and bitch.

We're fed up with the state of things, and rallying for everyone who is fed up to band together. Even if it is in a Cure forum, this is how we start to get things done. I do not like where I see our government heading, and the vocalizing and writing down of these opinions and finding like minds is the first step. And I'm totally glad and appreciative of that gift of freedom to speak out about it.

We have potential to have a great government, but as things are now, it is not. Money speaks louder than ethics, for example. No, I wouldn't care to live in several dozen other places, but humanity could all have the potential to be great - instead of just the few who were lucky(?) enough to have been born in this country...

Jingoism does not equal maturity. The ability to see our own flaws and to protect the freedoms we have, and to correct what is damaging is necessary.

It is the fact that I tried to use my voice in the last elections, and in the end, it didn't change anything that has made it necessary to keep speaking about my dissatisfaction and to keep trying to band enough people who are also dissatisfied to tip the scales in the next elections.

It's fine that you think this country is great, and great that you get to tell us. That's about the last right we all have. I will not shut up, thank you very much.

Thank you, Pyra.... That is what I was trying to say and the words did not come out right. I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way!!!

Aye, muy chingon!

yeah yeah yeah.....

this is a music forum!!!!! a Cure forum!!!

if you want to discuss politics and how "awful" our government is, go to a different type of forum, like the Cure are really gonna read this and respond or listen to you guys, get real here. people get fed up with all the complaints about politics and religion here. this is not the place to be talking about it. if you wanna argue or discuss this shit with people send them emails or AIM them. but shut up on the forum! the band dont give a rats ass about your opinions!

who said I cared if the Cure fucking read that or not???? Duh... I'm well aware that this is a FAN club, not the BAND's club...

Yeah, heaven forbid that Cure fans would want to talk about politics to each other... I personally don't give a crap whether The Cure read this or not- these are my opinions regardless of who's reading.

If you don't want to hear our "complaining", you don't have to read it! Just skip over this thread and leave us alone.... In case you haven't noticed, you're the ONLY ONE here complaining about the content of this thread!

It is a Cure forum and we are Cure fans. We've been here for a long time and quite frankly have talked about everything the Cure has done a hundred times over. The music, your favorite song/album, How cute Robert is, blah blah blah and well, there aint much going on in the Cure right now. Until news of the new album comes out and Robert delays it over and over again (come on you all know he will) There is nothing to talk about without talking about the same stuff. So this is interesting. Get over it anon.

Geez.

Yeah, what kind of a democracy would this be if we had to shut up.

Even though some people in Washington as well as their thug followers (some are even here) would prefer that we do. This is still a democracy so we do have the right to speak out.

bitching is like a rocking chair, it wont get you anywhere!!
shut up about the government spoiled brats.
find something better to bitch about or go get laid or something.

What I find ironic is your bitching about us bitching. I think that's amusing.

cuz you guys go on and on like babies about or government
oh it's awfull its bad its the worst im embarressed to be american blah blah blah....
get over it. it's the best one around!!!
if so unhappy here move somewhere else geez.

rah rah! go team...

Wah...wah...
I bitch...Therefore I am!

you want a bottle? or a pacifier?

Big words from a little man who is too scared to post his own details.

There used to be a word for the kinds of you: Nazi

Yeah thats right: "Everybody shut up if you think differently than me"

Stop trolling and go do something usefull.

I think you're outnumbered here, Anon. Don't you have anything better to do? You just keep repeating yourself over and over... Haven't you figured out that you're not getting anywhere? You're not going to change how we feel, and you aren't going to shut us up.... Why don't you go troll someplace else? I, for one, would like to have an intelligent conversation about politics with some of these fine people instead of wasting my time talking in circles with you...

This is getting sooo tiresome.

Amy, I'm not trying to change the way anyone feels about our government.
I'm just sick and tired of hearing you guys complain about it.
It's the best one around and all you do is bitch and bitch.
it's ok to state an opinion about it but to drag on and on about how shitty it is and how people are embaressed to be americans because of Bush, i mean c'mon.
apreciate a lil' what you have, and have a debate one on one with people elsewhere.

I'm not the one who is draging this tread on, i just said in one single post
"quit complaing about the government, it's the best one around"

but you amy and scared are the ones dragging it on. just let it go and move on like you said.

I agree amy, pyra, and scared. I do appreciate being ABLE to bitch if I so please, and I do, often. I don't like the way things are being done in our government, but it doesn't mean I don't appreciate the freedom I have. I know the US government has its good points, but it has a hell of a lot of bad. Cash is king unfortunately, in this derranged democracy we have. Those with money have the power, it's a sad fact. I work for the gov, and I see firsthand how everyone's tax dollars are spent (not entirely, but to some degree). I am DEFINITELY NOT a fan of GW 'Saddle up the horses, we're gonna get us some terrorists' Bush. Why does the US feel it absolutely necessary to be the world police?? If a country decides to fuck with us, we should fuck with them, otherwise, we should mind our own god damn business.

I don't mind nationalism, and having pride for where you're from at all, but the thing that pisses me off to no end is when you get these tunnelvision fucks that always say how wonderful and amazing our country is, when they have never even left their own town to explore all that their country has to offer, then make an educated decision.

Can we ban anons?? You know, make it where people have to sign in to post?? I know it may be a pain in the ass sometimes, but it seems we have a lot of people infiltrating the boards with their views (which is cool), but they shouldn't be able to hide behind a veil of secrecy by not logging in.

BTW, I really don't care what anonymous person I just offended, that's my right as an American, right? Free speech is a two edged sword.

Oh, and Miles, sorry man, forgot to include you in the list of 'kudos to yous'

Anon, you say you're sick of hearing us bitch about the government? Last time I checked, no one was twisting your arm to read this thread. Obviously telling us to "shut up" is not working- you're the one that needs to move on. You could at least own up to your own opinions and reveal your identity... Nobody can respect someone that posts as Anonymous!

Thanks, everyone, for being so awesome! It's wonderful to know that I'm not alone in feeling this way!!!

i dont care for your respect lol
and i dont care for your opinions
get over this and move on.

If America has one of the best governments we are truly fucked

thank you for making me laugh...

fucked we may be but it's true!!!

i wish i caould stick you guys in some of these counties
you wouldnt last long.

Wow, you really are crazy, aren't you... You're talking to yourself now, and you're not making any sense.



Anyway, who does everybody think will run for Democratic Presidential Candidate for 2008 besides Hilary Clinton?

Do you think that Bush will be impeached?

I don't know, but if John Mcain runs I may vote on the other side of the fence. Hillary may make a good V.P. but I'm not sure about Prez.

What 'other countries' are you talking about??

Jesus Fucking Christ man, get a grip, big woop, so we're not automatically all gung ho for every 'democratic' decision our government makes, you're the only one who seems to have their panties in a twist! Did you notice that?? or were you too busy trying to be a little USA cheerleader??

funny how anon has stopped (or was s/he ever reading to begin with and just taking out his/her boredom on us?) reading our posts and is just kinda making up what we might have written from his/her imagination... heh.

McCain might get my vote if he doesn't sound like just another damned puppet... I'm not keen on anyone they've brought up. Especially not the hints of trying to run the OTHER Bush for president...

If you could trade places with some of these women in other countries where they are forced to marry people they dont know or have there vaginas sown together or there clits removed, or starving in africa... or where if you said one bad thing about the government they punish you...
you would not last, you'd probably die there.
this place is NOT PERFECT BUT IT'S THE BEST ONE AROUND.
yeah we have probelms but stop overreacting.

not reading even a little bit - and you know, we still mutilate boys' genitals here, so what are you going on about???

That's just another theocracy (and don't we all know how wonderful those are) in action.

It would take one hell of a terrible candidate to get me to vote Republican... Especially if Dubya's brother runs. I'd probably end up voting Libertarian if it came down to it!

You know in the UK, the Liberal Democrats are actually the third major party and are slowly gaining more and more seats in Parliament.... Our MP when I was there was Liberal Democrat, and he was a good guy- even took the train to London (100-150 miles away) instead of driving or flying.

Have any of you heard of the Monster Raving Loony Party from the UK? Believe it or not, they occasionally win a few local elections!!!

Anon, what are you on about. You need to do some reading before you write.

"and you know, we still mutilate boys' genitals here"

and that is a bad thing???

thank god they do, i dont want no shribbled up ugly looking dick.

what are YOU on about??

Unless there's a candidate that really makes me think she can beat out the next war supporter, I'll probably use my voice to show my support for my Libertarian views...

Now I just want to know who you are, anon, so I can make sure you won't come near my sons with hypocritic, psychotic rhetoric like that.

I say we ignore this asshole so he'll go away...

People that don't respect other people's right to their own opinions does not even deserve our attention!

He, she, (it?, whatever is just trying to yank your chain anyway. Brilliant idea.

Too bad we dont have a forum where no one can post annon. Then everyone with an opinion would have to reveal themselves. Oh but wait if we do that then the govt has the right under the Patriot act to track us and make sure we are not terrorists. So yeah we are not that bad. If a foreigner came up to me and asked me "Describe United States," I would tell them it's a big corporation. And you can vote and sometimes they have to do what we vote on. But sometimes we vote and we can't trace our vote.
"In Five Years We'll Read The Truth"

But the govt can trace our every movement. Anyone else know about the black box they put in brand new cars? It can tell someone where you go and when you go anytime of day or night. No I am not making this up. Progressive Ins is considering using it for the good driver discount.

How are we the richest country in the world? Our national debt is in the trillions. The personal debt is ??? High I'm sure. We live off of our own credit.
Annon, it's your right to your own opinion. The only reason I love this country is because it's where my loved ones are. The govt is a global disaster. And everyday it gets worse. That's not a quick response. It's the truth. I admire Johnny Depp who just gave up and raised his family elsewhere. At the same time I admire those who stay here and do whatever it takes to make the country what we want it to be. And it looks like Bush is not doing well. This is a perfect time to stand up and make a difference.

I just like to stir shit every now and then, but I've never been ashamed of my opinions. I try to keep myself from doing it. But you know, I never said I wanted a law identifying someone who obviously is more spoiled rotten than even me... I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's grand that we can come in, not use a running identity and never be held accountable for stating opinions. Accountability sucks, anyway. Beautiful wastes of time between hourly feedings...