Billie, I also have a Schimel GP22 CO2 luger. It belonged to my father as long as i can remember so im not sure i want to part with it. However i am curious as to its value.Any insight you could give me would be appreciated.I would like to display it, because it is quite a conversation piece. thank you, Greg
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July 12 2005, 9:24 PM
Hi, I also have a Schimel Model GP22. My grandmother passed recently and I have some of my grandfathers WW2 metals and some German metals also. He was a pilot in the war and this pistol was in with those things. I am also very curious about this gun. I didn't know what kind it was or any info on it. If anyone call give some information that would be very helpful. The Schimel I have has like a gas cartridge in the handle.? Like I said, I don't know alot about guns at all. I am interested in seeing if this was a toy or a real gun. I believe it was from the WW2 era. Am I correct?
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July 12 2005, 9:28 PM
I also have one of these pistols. If you find out any information could you please let me know? I inherited it from my grandfather. He was a WW2 vet and I also have a great deal of German metlals as well. I am very curious about these items and this gun was in with them. Thanks so much!
Vicki, the Schimel was made in the late 1940's (post-war). It is a CO2 powered pellet gun, as you see a gas cartridge would be placed into the grip area. Most of these leak after all these years, and they are a nuisance to rebuild, as well as being pretty fragile due to the zinc die-cast construction.
maxximyzer (no login) 22.214.171.124
July 13 2005, 1:43 PM
From the 4th edition blue book of airguns:
The Schimel was the first of a series of pistols made from the same general design by Orville Schimel. Due to undercapitalization and a number of design flaws in the Schimel; the tiny maker went bankrupt. In 1955 , the manufacturing fixtures were aquired by American Weapons Corporation, headed by Hy Hunter. The unsatisfactory seals were replaced by a one seal unit and an ingenious 8 shot magazine for 22 cal lead balls was added. The improved design was marketed as the American Luger. Stoeger arms had the US ownership of the Luger trademark and quickly force these "American Lugers" from the market making them very rare pistols.
Smith (1957) heralds these as the first American-made CO2 production pistol and the first to use disposable CO2 cartridges.
100%-$950 95%-$800 90%-$700 80%-$600 60%-$500
Add 15% for factory box
Subtract 5% for Model P-22 marking
Subtract 40% for broken back strap
Keep in mind these prices are a good starting place, but to get these prices you have to find someone who wants to PAY these prices.
Hope this helps.
rolf (no login) 126.96.36.199
July 14 2005, 6:17 PM
The Most Collectible Airguns of the Twentieth Century
By Robert D. Beeman
The first modern CO2 pistol to be commercially manufactured was the single shot, Luger look-alike, Schimel GP-22, made in Southern California. It is a desirable collection item, but not rare. A pneumatic version, the AP-22, although shown in early Stoeger catalog pages, has yet to be seen by the author (Beeman, 1983b). Perhaps it was never manufactured. The Schimels had a very unusual, very complex valve arrangement apparently not found in any other airgun. In the gun world, complex construction usually means undependable action and the Schimel was no exception. This intriguing gun soon passed from the market. HyHunter, an energetic American gun promoter, marketing guns made on the Schimel tools, brought out a repeater version labeled as the American Luger. The American Luger CO2 pistol was almost immediately removed from the market because of trademark problems with the Luger name. American Luger gas pistols are extremely desirable collector items but are almost never seen for sale. A later version reportedly was marketed for only a few months as the Carbo-Jet (Smith, 1971); however there apparently are no known specimens - it may have never existed! A pair set of a Schimel and an American Luger, in original factory boxes with original tins of pellets, is a very desirable, but difficult, collecting goal.
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Schimel gp22 .22 cal. co2 pistol
August 5 2006, 2:11 PM
i would like to know what size co2 cartridge this gun takes