Hey Guys & Gals: I just (11:45AM EST 22Jan2010) called Daisy at 1 800 643 3458 and ordered 6 of the subject shot tubes; they work flawlessly in the vintage Model 25's. This is going to revitalize those old beauties that you might have laying around with defective shot tubes.
Good info. think i will grab a couple....wish they made one for the model 118 or 177. $12 is more than a fair price.
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February 9 2010, 5:19 PM
Thanks for getting this information out to us. I called Daisy around Chrismas time and was told that the 25 shot tubes would not be availible until "after spring time". Their change in plans is good news.
Actually the shot tubes are not identical; the very early models did not have the BB reaining spring affixed to the receiver end of the shot tubes, which were sufficient for retaining the oversized lead BBs, but when steel BBs were introduced, they would ruin the shot tubes and dribble out of the shot tubes uncontrolably.
According to Gary Garber's "An Encyclopedia of Daisy Plymouth Guns," "Up uintil at least 1932, all shot tubes were made to accommodate lead shot. In early 1932, American Ball, which then made shot exclusively for Daisy and King companies, started making "COPPEORTECT" copper-coated, steel shot. At some point, a straight, shot retainer spring was added to the shot tube to hold the steel BBs in place. The date that this spring was added is uncertain. Later, while the shot tube was still being blued, the shape of the spring changed slightly, so that it had a bend in the end of the spring closest to the muzzle. All of the Plymouth No. 25 shot tubes were notched so that the tab would lock in place while BBs were being loaded. This made BB loading easy, but if the shooter forgot to release the tab, it was possible for shot to fall into the barrel and for the shot tube to become jammed.
Sometime after the move to Rogers, there was a type of shsot tube made in such a manner that the tab had to be held while BBs were being loaded. This made loading more difficult, but prevented BBs from falling out of the shot tube and into the barrel while inserting the tube."
Gary Garber went on to list the sequence of the appearance of the various shot tubes but it is impossible to date their appearance:
"Earliest nickel tube
Later nickel tube
Different nickel tube
First blued tube
Second blued tube
1930 vintage blued tube
Blued tube with first shot retainer spring-circa 1932
Blued tube with second shot retainer spring
Painted tube with second shot retainer spring"
This listing was set under a color photograph of these shot tubes on page 104 of Gary's "Encyclopedia" and you would do well to obtain a copy, it is a brilliantly written and illustrated volume.
So in attempting to date your specimens, you have to do the appropriate research and still have to use the SWAG system (Scientific Wild Assed Guess) to figure out the variations involved.
As an after thought, the new reisssued Daisy No 25 shot tubes will not work in the short throw early versions of the Model 25; they will work in all long thorw variations, and also in Models 99 and 142, and in any other Daisy model that uses the 50-round shot tube.