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The problem with communism

May 29 2003 at 6:38 PM
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The problem with communism is that it turns into a violent dictatorship in the blink of an eye. I'll save you the rest. Any responses?

 
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June 4 2003, 7:03 AM 

I thinks that's because they don't have a clear idea of what their goal is. They talk about the fulfillment of humanity, but fail to really understand what it is, and therefore why oppression and terrorising the population is so destructive to their cause. -They're trying to force through a change when force makes the change unrealisable.
Sure, fight to protect the programme, but you can't develop the programme through violence or its threat.


 
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The problem with communism

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June 20 2003, 7:35 AM 

..."Communism"...mmmm.....communalism......commune........community. Free enterprise.....individuality......the individual......loneliness.....mmmm.....not so sure.

 
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August 30 2003, 9:33 PM 

Well Socialsim Comes fist and evolves to communism but I don't think any have evolved past socialism yet. Your saying that theres no point of putting force on people evn though that could make them not suffer from torture, starvation, man-made diseases, racism, dictatorship, lies, disloyalty, greed, hate and many more...???

To say the truth everyone wants to be a little naughty or greedy on the back of their head and if you show them that way they won't think about anyting else but if you show them to not be greedy and share then that person will think about what they will loose. this is humanity and from thousands of years it has on been controlled properly by lies, and mostly belief. Religions also force you and so do capitalism. People think they are free when they don't realise they need to give up some of their freedom which is to sell, use drugs, alcohol, polution, stealing, lying, and more so they can achieve a target where no one has to loose anything where everything you do is for you and everyone else. This is the target you must of skipped.

And as for the fullfilment of humanity.. That can only be achieved when you hav lived your life and you can look back and say you have. Pepople normally give this value whn they get old and most even come to ealise their life was a waiste of time an space as all they ever thought about doing is being better than others.

 
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November 12 2003, 12:35 PM 

Marxist theory clearly states that a proletarian revolution must be international. Without the spread of the revolution against capitalism, the nations in revolution will be isolated by capitalist nations and either destroyed or isolated. The Russian Revolution was far more democratic than anything we experience today in politics. In August 1917, the Provisional Government (established after the Feb.1917 revolution) ordered part of the army to attack Petrograd - home of the most advanced industrial working class who were nearly all Bolsheviks. The railway workers, many of them Bolsheviks, stopped the trains, and the attack never materialized, but the Provisional Government's anti-working class intentions were made clear. Subsequently the Bolsheviks swept into power through elections which involved everybody (women, Jews, gays, the poor - and this is 1917!). In October 1917, the Bolsheviks launched the revolution which overthrew the Provisional Government which was sympathetic to the owning classes and unwilling to end the war against Germany. Now the working class controlled Russia. The Bolsheviks ended the war with Germany. "All power to the Soviets" was a common phrase uttered by the Bolsheviks - Soviets being gatherings of elected delegates (which could be recalled by voters at any time by their electorate). As many have noted - and something that the Bolsheviks were quite aware of - Russia was mostly a peasant society and the industrial working class was quite small in comparison. What this meant - and was recognized by Lenin and the leading Bolshevik thinkers - was that this class would have a different consciousness from the working class. Marxist theory states that ideas are derived from material and social circumstances. Since the working class and peasants had different experiences, the peasants would not have the identical revolutionary outlook - in fact, many had bourgeois reformist outlooks. This became a big problem when 22 capitalist nations invaded the new radically democratic and socialist USSR.

From 1918-1921, the invasion of Russia bled the Russian working classes to death. This class - essential to a socialist revolution - was virtually wiped during the war as they served as the shock troops of the Red Army. As a result, many peasants began to fill the cities to work in the industry, but they never experienced the same conditions which shaped the revolutionary industrial working class that was dying on the battlefields against the capitalist White armies. As a result, Stalin was able to gradually gain power since the revolutionary working class was decimated. This is the Stalinist counter-revolution. Nevertheless, democracy remained and Trotsky formed the Left Opposition which attempted to counter the Stalinists in elections up until the mid-1920s - after Lenin died - and then seized power. The Left Opposition and all the original Bolsheviks were executed by Stalin. A few escaped into exile, including Trotsky, who was eventually assassinated in 1940. By the 1930s, the socialist revolution was completely dead and a state capitalist system was established.

The strength of Marxist theory is redeemed by the Stalinist counter-revolution. It states that revolution must be international. The failure of the German Revolution, the Hungarian Revolution and other European revolution from succeeding, allowed for the capitalists to maintain power and isolate Russia. If the revolution succeeded - especially in Germany - then the capitalists wouldn't have been able to concentrate entirely on Russia. If Germany became socialist it could support Russia and it would have undoubtedly spread, Germany being nearly the most advanced capitalist country at the time.

Other states that have encountered "communist" revolutions, are anything but. Cuba and China have failed for numerous reasons, notably Castro and Mao's emphasis on a peasant vanguard rather than the industrial working class - both of which was tiny in both of these countries.

Successful socialist revolution must be both international and led by the working class. Otherwise it will fail. Marxist theory stated this before the Russian revolution.

Next time you make a statement, you should probably back it up.

 
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February 12 2004, 9:10 AM 

I agree with you, djn--your historical knowledge is very enriching.
Indeed one of the main factors for the collapse of the USSR is the surrounding by capitalist countries added to the fact that the communist authorities didn't let the people exit the country. The people began to think that capitalism was paradise--precisely because they didn't really see it or saw it only superficially. The few people returning from capitalist countries brought junk food, modern clothes, candy... glittering things which blind you from the reality of capitalism. Everything western was deified and people were dreaming of travelling to the west. By the way, it is in Yougoslavia, where people were allowed to leave the country that communism lasted the longest(in Eastern Europe).
Also there were communist traditions which were very exaggerated: for example, there were almost religious cults for the Great Communists such as Marx and Lenin.
When making a speech, it was seen as improper not to give at least one quotation of Lenin or Marx or any other communist leader. This was criticized by many people living under communism.
Finally, the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR are Gorbachov's blunders. He tried to brusquely liberalize the regime during an economic crisis, which is clearly a mistake.
If we now look at Eastern Europe, we can see what the people gained from capitalism: total poverty, corruption, selfishness, deceit, dishonesty, pessimism.
I believe that communism as it was in Eastern Europe since the 60s, even with all its weaknesses, is infinitely superior to capitalism.
There is a lot of anti-communist propaganda; so much that communist has became an insult today. But few people really know what it is. My whole family lived in communism in Bulgaria and Russia, and it is clear that what most people say about communism is ridiculously false.
People say that in communism there is no freedom. What freedom are they talking about? The freedom to destroy yourself through consumerism? The freedom to hate your neighbor? In capitalism there is relative freedom of action and expression only for the rich.
In capitalism, people hide their own freedom. Because freedom means responsibility and people prefer being passive and selfish.
I beleive that we should build an improved worldwide communism founded on the love of mankind.

 
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