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Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

November 19 2003 at 9:08 PM
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An entire planet cannot sustain more than 200 m people (number of people globally during Roman times and countless centuries afterwards) and thus is already 30 TIMES OVERPOPULATED. Now lets increase this to say 400 m (two times the natural limit), consider the fact that the equator zones (crucial oxygen producing jungles) should be fully human free (except primitive and thus begin jungle dwellers) zones as well as most of Alaska, Canada, Scandinavia, (especially Asian) Russia, south forested Chile, etc. because of its forests and as well this will save many animal and plant species from human caused maniacal and unnatural destruction. Regions that have been civilized for a longer period of time and do not contain forests will be more spared from drastic reductions or even overall human abondomenents (after mass sterilizations, etc).

Latitudes around Equator should be permanently human-free up to at liest ; ( http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/latitude.htm ) ( http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/longitud.htm )

allowed human zone should be;

-Europe (zones N of 60' latitude mainly human free)
-Asia (zones S of 50' lat. and N of 20) (exceptions bellow)
---China (zones S of 40' and N of 30' as 'human zones')
---Indochina (fully human-free)
---India (only between 20'lat. and 30'lat. as human zones).
---Entire Brahmaputra River as 'no human zone'
-Australia (only S of 30'lat. as human zone)
-Africa (human free zone is between 15' N lat. and 15' S lat)
-N. America (human zone between 50'lat. and 20'lat.)
-S. America ( human zone between 20'lat. S and 40'lat. S)

human allowed distribution (in human zones) should be as following;

-Africa 50 m (meaning everything over that number is extra)
-Europe 100 m
-Asia and Oceania 250m
-Americas 100m

major countries count after ajustments

- China < from current 1.4 billion to 100 millon
- India < from current 1 billion to 60 millon
- Pakistan < from current 150 million to 10 million
- Western Asia < from current 300 million to total of 30 million
- Japan and Korea reduction from current 200 million to 20 million
- Australia and New Zealand from current 23 million to 10 million

- Russia < from 150 million to 15 million
- Germany < from 80 million to 10 million
- France < from 60 milliojn to 10 million
- (Italy, Spain+Portugal, Balkans, Poland+ CS, Turkey and UK: similar details as for France)
- Scandinavia + Baltics < from 30 million to 5 million

- South Africa region < from 150 million to 20 million
- North Africa region < from 200 million to 30 million

- USA, S Canada, and N+C Mexico < from 380 million to 70 million
- Argentica, S Brazil, Chile and Uruguay < from 150 million to 30 million

 
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some data.....

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November 22 2003, 4:41 PM 

World population have barely surpassed for the first time 200 million mark less than thousand years ago to hit 1 billion mark 200 years ago and within two centuries to increase to over 6 billion which is scary 500% >.

World is yet to see (in coming centuries) what kind of problems will arise out of this (also add to this deadly equation a fact that world will stabilize at 9-10 billion within 50 years from now and then comes real hell as global economy or rather its companies tries to manipulate this to their advantage).

Problem started with primarily Capitalism (although earlier with Colonialism really, thus expansionism) centuries ago which primary purpose is capital expansion and taking new market, new markets mean more pollution that when India and China increase their output to match US's (taking size into consideration) these two giants alone will increase pollution levels to additional 1000% increase within 50 years, yet surely this will not cause no problem even though by then jungles and forests will greatly diminish while most of animal and plan species will disappear, our grand-grand-children will need gas ups oxygen masks to breath, but hey capital resources will at liest have been increases through new markets. If this isn't mass lunacy, I don't know what is (and destruction cause by industrialization combined with overpopulation has showed its face over 150 years ago in places like western Europe where pollution in cities like London and in rivers was deadly).



World Population Through History


1804-2054 Projections


Population Explosion 1530 AD - 2010 AD


1950 - 1998


4000 BC - 1994 AD (chart)


4000 BC - 1994 AD (chart)


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ps: global reduction back to 200 million people would simply put is back in balance as it existed for millenniums as opposed to steady destruction of nature and wild habitats. Life isn't only about creating more capital and wealth since resources of the planet are not limitless regardless what some might think, the only question are you one of those that you have to see a barren polluted land as it will be within few centuries the most with humans being the only animal life on it (apart of insects, rodents and bacteria) and finally that in itself will spell by then surely the deserved death sentence to such self-destructive and supply 'most intelligent' species that earth has ever seen. Make no mistake, we are in waters we as species have never been in more than one way and believe it or not not all of these waters are friendly, on the contrary far from it.

 
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more data (pollution)..

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November 22 2003, 4:42 PM 

notice how it increases with population increase



Atmospheric concentration of CO2 (1870-1990)


Global CFC production


Record from an Antarctic ice core of temperature and carbon dioxide concentration.


Global carbon emissions from fossil fuel use, from 1850-1990 and as projected to 2100 - in billions of tonnes of carbon (GtC)


Global Temperature Changes (1880-1999)


Greenhouse effect


Green House Gas (1870-1997)


Concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (1950-95)


A third undisputed scientific fact is that carbon dioxide and other atmospheric greenhouse gases are long-lived. Because emissions we give off today can remain in the atmosphere for more than 200 years, any consequences of global warming are irreversible in time frames of human significance.






 
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Deforestation...

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November 22 2003, 4:44 PM 

Deforestation


(Amazonia or 'Lungs of the Planet' thus most crutial)
Figure 1. Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon in 1986. The darker the area, the more forest that is remaining.


Amazonia (Deforestation 1978-1988)



Amazon (Deforestation)




Deforestation in Ecuador


Deforestation in Rondτnia, Brazil: Frontier Urbanization and Landscape Change


Change In Forested Land Area (late '70s to early '90s)



Norway


Figure 11--Forest damage in Poland, prognosis 2010. Damage degree: 1=moderate, 2=heavy and very heavy, 3=deforestation (Paschalis 1995).

http://www.celticconfederation.org/scotland.shtml>

http://www.celticconfederation.org/wales.shtml>



Map of deforestation within Africa


eastern Madagascar coast


Tropical Deforestation


Forest Cover ('80-'90)






A.P. - India


US Deforestation (1620-1926)




Enviromental 'Hot Spots' - Deforestation





 
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Re: Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

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November 22 2003, 4:45 PM 


Also, what are we going to do to lower our population? Stop reproducing? Not likely. The only viable solution to what you are saying is to have over 5 BILLION poeple murdered. This gives you the greatest murder total of any person in history, many times more than Hitler, Stalin, and all of the Roman Emperors COMBINED.

 
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Re: Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

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November 22 2003, 4:46 PM 


Hey Planet, doesn't it seem likely that the same technology that has allowed us to exceed our maximum planetary population limit for over 1000+ years can also allow us to coexist peacefully with the environment?

 
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Re: Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

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November 22 2003, 4:53 PM 


This plan would only work if all countries are educated and industrialized. Plus, the time scale on your plans must be incredibly vast in order to be accepted by the people, on the order of centuries.

It's predicted that Europe's population will stabilize in the next half-century to around 600 million, and China's to 1,420 million. The US will keep growing steadily.

Europe may be the first to experience the population slump and decline as you would most urgingly prefer, but will it might rise again unless something's done in accordance with your plan.

America's population statistic is hopeless. Influx, more influx, and mormons. It will probably be several hundred years before America experiences any population decline.

China's Family Planning program is a success, and I think other countries might want to model theirs upon it. Given that China is not even fully industrialized and literacy rates being far below 90%, Family Planning is a phenomenon as it stablizes the growth rate. I believe the same bureaucratic tool can be used to lower world population.

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Deforestation sucks

Most of what is cut down turns into lumber. We know that today we have better, alternative materials for building and housing, such as aluminum-plastic composites.

The problem is the price difference. What creates the problem? Capitalism. So we disregard science and cut down the trees heartlessly without giving a single damn to the tens of thousands of species that go along with them.

 
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Re: Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

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November 22 2003, 4:56 PM 


I have an interesting q for you all. Do you consider youself an excess life? Do you consider yourself to be one person to much? Are you willing to sacrifice yorself to hwelp against over poulation. Thought not. No are you likely to think such about anyone you care about. As long as you can juggle with numbers, as oppsed to individual human souls, you can talk about this so comfortably. iI'm not directly saying your wrong, I'm saying that i's not as easy an issue or question as you might think.

 
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November 22 2003, 4:57 PM 


To a question how did we manage to survive for almost a millennium even though our numbers exceeded over 200 million mark!

Answer: Our numbers exceeded 200 million mark around 1000 years ago but it took the numbers 700 years to reach 600 million mark (1700 AD) which represents 3 time (3x) over the natural limit overpopulation. This 3x limit was reached at the time when capitalism was starting to poison nature with its inventions (communism later on was just as bad in pollution though since it was trying to catch up with the west through rapid industrialization which represented commitment to gradual decline of the planets life conditions needed for our long term survival) but this poisoning was nowhere at the levels that were reached in the start of 20 century (1900 AD, humans population stands at 1.6 billion or 8x over the limit), then it further progressed more in mid 20 century (1950 AD humans population stands at 2.5 billion or 20.5x over the limit) and at the present time (2003 AD humans population stands at 6 billion or 30x over the limit). As the numbers and time progressed throughout the 19 and even more so 20 century so did poisoning of the planet and so will they continue since human population is expected, in a rat-like manner, to increase additional 50% in next 50 years to 9 billion when we are looking at 45X over the limit.
Under such conditions human population will not perish immediately but over a course of perhaps half a millennium from now when conditions on earth will become basically outright deadly. This conditions that have been created throughout 20 century are vastly more dangerous that anything humans have seen from 1000 AD up to 1700 AD, in terms of both skyrocketing populations implosion and pollution.

To a question do I consider my self an excess, taking away joys of parenthood to some, etc.!

Answer: As I said we are talking about general population trends and overall planet condition as a result of those. My opinion about my self will of course be favorable as will most of human ones but such decisions should be decided from the highest global authorities in, ideally, their mutual agreement (which would correlate to an agreement to biggest and strongest as well as most advanced powers, I know its not fair but neither is life (If its decided that I am an excess, so be it).

As far as reproduction goes I firmly believe that humans have proven to be far more damaging to the environment (= being damaging to themselves) and have to be at liest guided if not outright controlled when it comes to this aspect. Here I believe in laws of nature (as other animals practice it) where only the best human specimens (both physically and mentally) should have the right to multiply so this right would be deserved and not just granted while this would also, I firmly believe, further human race in terms of upcoming evolutional improvements. Other outside this category would be simply sterilized and with their old age their undeserving genes would disappear as well.

If these words sound harsh for the ear, again, they are not written in order for me to win popularity contest but as possible fix to the mortal dilemma that is or will be facing human race and our planet in general and we are the only ones who can save both us and the planet for a simple fact that we are the only ones who are causing it to bleed gradually to death.

For those of you who are incapable of elevating themselves from their pathetic human existence that is ridden with inferiority complex (manifested in constant need to prove that their humans are as vital to the planet and everything else as imagined God is, wait some even think that God made them in their image which is truly sad), thus those with sheep mentality (and that is vast majority of humans) just read this and think about those things and comment if you oppose it or not (in a meaningful not childlike manner) and remember asking childlike questions such as how did we survive from 1000 AD - 1700 AD (which as I explained was a completely different environment in more ways than one than lets say 19 or 20 century) doesn't change the fact about our (human kind) likely future outcome where hope at this point appears futile.


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Hey Planet, doesn't it seem likely that the same technology that has allowed us to exceed our maximum planetary population limit for over 1000+ years can also allow us to coexist peacefully with the environment? "

No for the simple fact that to an average human it is never our priority to save the planet for the planet is taken for granted. Make no mistake about it we are in a same condition as a patient with cancer (patient is the planet and cancer is human kind, harsh but true). Now the only difference is that 1000 AD up to 1700 AD was an early stage of the cancer where the effects of this cancer were mainly on a small scale and under this tempo a patient would perhaps have several thousand years to live but this stage progressed into a more advanced stage (in the course of 19 and 20 century) where the life expectancy of the patient (this certainly includes a human kind as well even though the human kind is the cause, its a paradox but it is what it is) has been reduced by several thousand years (or even more) to several hundred years. Thus we cannot compare the effects of 1000AD - 1700AD... to... 1700AD - 2003AD-etc
since the post 1700 age is far more abundant in human population numbers, tech. advancements and pollutant creators. Its like comparing a single car's effect on polluting the environment to effect of million cars polluting the environment. Things are now simply mass produced (people and tech. like) which simply wasn't the case prior to 1700s (especially the further back you go and vice versa).

 
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Welcome to Earth: Population 6 Billion

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November 27 2003, 10:56 PM 

Since facts are more powerful (as I have posted facts before) than me simply stating my opinions here come more facts in the following article;

Before I proceed let me also state that another dangerous indicator that humans have long reached their limit is that already one-third of earth's land mass is used for cultivation of food intended for human consumption. Again, that is ONE-THIRD of Earth's land mass (that is most of 'friendly land mass' that most have been stolen from forests while over half of land mass is 'unfriendly land mass' such as deserts and mountains). Congrats fellow humans, not even rodents are as big of a pest.
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THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 1999
Headlines

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Welcome to Earth: Population 6 Billion
Brad Knickerbocker (bradknick@aol.com)
Special Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

ASHLAND, ORE.

Children are unique and wonderful in the eyes of their parents and of God. And a very special child is expected to appear in about 12 days: one who illustrates both the promise and the problems faced by humanity on the eve of the new millennium.

He or she will be the 6 billionth person on earth, an extremely important symbol in global demography. This infant - likely to be born in Asia or Africa - represents unprecedented world population growth that has doubled in less than a lifetime and is expected to top out at nearly 9 billion in less than another lifetime.


To some, this is cause for great concern. With the planet already overcrowded, they ask, how will even more billions be adequately fed and housed, how will they find productive work, and how will their numbers impact the natural resources that sustain us all?

"There is no more important issue than population explosion and expansion," says Sen. James M. Jeffords (R) of Vermont, one of Congress's strongest advocates for population stabilization and family planning. "The heart of all environmental problems is overpopulation."

On the other hand, there are those who argue that the "population bomb" - Paul Ehrlich's Malthusian prediction in 1968 that without radical change we would "breed ourselves into oblivion" - has been a dud. Thanks to the green revolution, food production has outpaced population growth. And many natural resources - which some had warned would run out - are still so plentiful that their market prices actually have dropped.

Policy analyst Ben Wattenberg at the American Enterprise Institute warns of a "birth dearth" in many developed countries, especially Europe. By this he means the "total fertility rate" (average number of children born per woman) is so low that those countries soon will begin losing people.

There is no argument that the rate of population growth has slowed considerably in recent decades. Whereas the typical woman used to give birth to five or six children, the average is now two or three kids. Still, the surging momentum in numbers of people will continue well into the future.


Half the world is under 25

Among our 6 billions, 1 billion are young people between the ages of 15 and 24, and some 3 billion - half of all of us - are under age 25. That is a great many people at the beginning of (or soon to enter) their child-bearing years. For that reason, the population clock continues to tick off 78 million newcomers each year or 1-1/2 million each week. And a full 96 percent of the annual population increase occurs in developing countries - including most of those places where overcrowding and resource depletion already are a problem. India, which grows by nearly 50,000 people a day, recently passed 1 billion and is expected to overtake China as the world's most populous country. In just a few years, India will have more people than all industrialized countries combined. Why? Because more than one-third of the population there is under age 15 - yet to begin reproducing.

Time was when "population control" (now a decidedly un-politically correct term) was mainly a matter of condoms and birth-control pills. Today "family planning" (the preferred term) encompasses a wide range of health services. And in recent years, population policy has come to encompass much broader issues of economic sustainability and even social justice - especially involving the treatment and status of women.

Thus has population policy become highly politicized, involving as it does profound questions of social, cultural, and religious values. The recent debate over United States funding of international family-planning programs - hinging on China's "one child" policy and allegations that this has led to forced abortions and sterilization - is just the most obvious example.

The population story really is two stories.

In the developed world - Europe, North America, and Japan - the numbers of people are leveling out and are predicted by the United Nations to be slightly lower by 2050 than they are today (a bit over 1 billion). The developing world, however, is expected to double in population during the same period to about 8 billion. Over the next half century, Nigeria and Pakistan are expected to nearly double in population. Ethiopia will nearly triple.

"In 1960, Europe had twice as many people as Africa," the United Nations Population Fund reported last week. "By 2050, it is estimated that there will be three times as many Africans as Europeans."


Changing the earth's land mass

The effects of population growth on the earth are as controversial as the numbers of people. At a meeting of the International Botanical Congress in St. Louis this summer, scientists from Oregon State University and Stanford University reported that nearly half the earth's land mass already has been changed by human activity - wetlands filled in, forests cut down, prairies plowed under. Runoff from farms, industries, and urban areas has resulted in some 50 "dead zones" in coastal waters.

"All appear to be the result of excessive nitrogen and other nutrients being washed down rivers and streams, including down the Mississippi into the Gulf of Mexico," says Oregon State U marine biologist Jane Lubchenco. "There's also been an increase in red tides and other harmful algal blooms around the world - most in response to a flush of nutrients. We're also seeing increased water temperature, possibly from global warming."

Related to this loss of habitat, Dr. Lubchenco told the St. Louis gathering that rates of plant and animal extinction are many times higher than would otherwise be the case. One-quarter of all bird species have been lost, and two-thirds of the major fisheries around the world have been fully exploited or depleted, according to Lubchenco, who is past president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

"Simply put, more people, taking up more space, needing to use more natural resources, and engaging in ever-growing material consumption, create profound challenges for our ability to protect the resources on which all life depends," says Mark Van Putten, president of the National Wildlife Federation.


'Carrying capacity' is a factor

It's too simple to say that countries with a high growth rate are more responsible for environmental problems of pollution and resource depletion, many analysts agree. The concept of "carrying capacity" - human impact based on lifestyle and consumption as well as population numbers - is important as well. By this gauge, Americans, Canadians, Europeans, and others of relative wealth have a much greater impact than those in poorer countries.

"At the end of this century, the wealthiest fifth of the world's population consume more than 66 times the materials and resources of the poorest fifth," states a recent UN report.

Critics respond to such assertions in two ways. First, they point to evidence that humanity's "dominion" over the earth has resulted in important benefits.

"Between 1974 and 1995, rice production in China increased by 88 percent. Indonesia's food production increased by 69 percent, Bangladesh raised its output by 100 percent, India by 117 percent, and the UK by 50 percent," notes Herbert London, president of the Hudson Institute, a futurist think tank in Indianapolis. "Brazil has increased its corn production by 63 percent, China by 213 percent, and the US by 118 percent.

"And these increases are occurring even though the US is still spending more than $24 billion per year on farm subsidies, deliberately taking land out of cultivation," he adds.

Second, "Every prediction of massive starvations, ecocatastrophes of biblical proportions, and $100-a-barrel oil has been discredited by the global economic and environmental progress of the past quarter century," says Stephen Moore, director of fiscal-policy studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington. "These days almost no sane person gives any credence to the population bomb hysteria that was all the rage in the 1960s and 1970s."

"Intellectually," he adds, "the Malthusian limits-to-growth menace is stone dead." And if population growth has caused problems, such critics say, human ingenuity is capable of addressing them.

"In this era of remarkable pharmaceuticals, biogens, robotics, prosthetic devices, and carbon-14 products more powerful than steel with the properties of plastic, technological wonders once only dreamed of are within our grasp," says Dr. London. That average global life expectancy has risen from 46 to 66 years since 1960, that per capita income today is more than twice what it was in 1950, seems to bear out the assertion that humanity's lot is improving despite population growth. And besides, says London, "People are not lemmings. When we have a problem, we examine our options and change."

But this view - that humans can engineer their way to unlimited prosperity - is far too sanguine, according to population watchers at the UN and such private research organizations as the Worldwatch Institute. They point to troubling statistics indicating that overpopulation already is causing massive human suffering:


• Approximately 1.3 billion of the world's people are impoverished, living on the equivalent of less than 1 dollar a day. And as population steadily (if more slowly) increases, the gap between rich and poor is widening.


• Some 60 percent of the 4.8 billion people in developing countries lack basic sanitation, and almost one-third have no access to clean water.


• Nearly 1 billion people in the world are illiterate, two-thirds of them women.


• People are becoming more concentrated in urban areas, which can exacerbate economic, environmental, and social problems. The number of cities with more than 1 million people in developing countries is expected to increase from 173 in 1990 to 368 in 2010. In 1960, just two cities (New York and Tokyo) had more than 10 million people; by 2015, there will be 26 such "megacities" - 22 of them in less-developed regions.


• And despite increases in grain production that began in the 1950s, thanks to "miracle wheat" and other advances in agricultural technology, such increases seem to have leveled off in recent years. Some 841 million people today are chronically malnourished, and there are 88 "food deficit" countries. This means "they can neither feed themselves nor afford the imports they need," according to the United Nations Population Fund, a subsidiary of the UN General Assembly and the largest internationally-funded source of population assistance to developing countries.


Will the water last?

One important reason why it's becoming harder for farmers to keep up with the growing population is that supplies of water for irrigation are declining around the world as underground water reserves - aquifers - become depleted faster than nature can fill them. "Groundwater overdrafting is now widespread in the crop-producing regions of central and northern China, northwest and southern India, parts of Pakistan, much of the Western United States, North Africa, the Middle East, and the Arabian Peninsula," reports Sandra Postel, director of the Global Water Policy Project in Amherst, Mass.

At the Earth Summit in Brazil in 1992, delegates grappled with issues of environment and development. Predominantly Muslim and Roman Catholic countries resisted efforts to include population as an important factor there.

Two years later, another UN-sponsored meeting - the International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD) in Cairo - saw delegates from 179 countries hammer out a "program of action" that sets as one of its primary goals the universal availability of reproductive health services, including family planning.

Another major goal is increased educational opportunities for girls and women, which has been shown to lower birth rates and improve the family standard of living.

Since then, there has been some progress. Family-planning services are available to many more couples around the world (60 percent today compared with just 30 percent in 1974). The incidence of abortion has consequently dropped in many countries, and the rate of population increase has slowed.

Still, some 350 million women in developing countries (one third the total) do not have access to reproductive-health services, and unsafe abortions kill an estimated 70,000 women a year. And while more girls are in school, there remains a significant gender gap in education.

In Cairo, governments agreed that $17 billion a year would be needed to meet year-2000 targets. One-third was to come from industrial countries and two-thirds from developing countries.

To date, while developing countries are about two-thirds of the way to the agreed total, industrial countries have reached only one-third of their goal. Given recent actions in the US Congress, however, it seems more likely that the United States soon will begin increasing the amount it provides for international family-planning efforts.


• Billionaires address the population explosion


• Sizing up academic standards
• Six years of maternity benefits?
• Amazon jungle threatened by oil firm

Changing attitudes may be as important as dollars. Some countries historically opposed to birth control for religious or cultural reasons now are in the forefront of family-planning efforts. The Religious Consultation on Population, Reproductive Health and Ethics (a group of scholars representing the world's major religions) met last month in Philadelphia to "challenge the teachings of the religious right," as they put it.

"We're here to say that women have a fundamental human right to make responsible reproductive choices and that the teachings of the 10 major world religions support that right," says Daniel Maguire, professor of theology at Marquette University in Milwaukee.

Meanwhile, the world awaits baby 6 billion, an infant soon to join an unprecedented crowd of youngsters destined to become the parents and leaders of the 21st century.

Today, there are over a billion young people between 15 and 24 years of age. Their decisions about the size and spacing of their families will determine how many people will be on the planet by 2050 and beyond.

http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/1999/09/30/p15s1.htm


 
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Anti human *******s

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January 2 2004, 4:21 AM 

I have no idea how a human being could want to kill other human being to "lower overpopulation" as time progresses and population gets higher better bio technology and medicine allow more people to live on earth.

If you people werent the socialist dickheads you are you would allow capitalism to take place and allow PEOPLE to own the animals, so that way the animals would be taken care of well and as for the "lack of trees" you environmentalist allways talking about, that problem is non-existant one of the reasons for that is that there is a law that says that for every tree cut down more must be planted!

 
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Re: Our planet is 30 times overpopulated !!

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August 31 2004, 2:32 AM 

The world needs birthcontrol! Yes everyone in the world needs birth control! that should be a huge priority especially in Africa where 40 million people have AIDS.

 
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Very touchy subject

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October 28 2004, 12:36 PM 

Wow, this seems to be a very touchy subject - and everybody seems to have a point.

The problem did happen overnight and its not gonna change overnight either. Somebody mentioned that education was a solution and I agree. Take the US for example, the general trend seems to be that the more educated you are, the fewer children you have (and vice versa).

I just hope that the rest of the world does not run into the same problem that Germany is facing. Their reproduction rate is too low to the point where their retired population is soon going to be larger than their working population - what a disaster for social security.

We did not get this far advanced by being stupid and lucky. Humans are very intelligent - we got ourselves into this mess, and I think we can find a way out (short of a massive holocaust).




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It won't be us who chooses the victims.

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March 27 2005, 2:02 AM 

Those of yu who are outraged by the idea that someone might be deciding who lives and who dies - chill! The way it is going to happen is that market forces will make the decision. nad military forces. When oil get's really expensive, poor people won't be able to afford food. The they will either starve or fight. When aids attains it's peak, it will choose some of the victims. When our antibiotics become totally useless due to their use in raising animals in industrial faciltities, then we will have lost the tool that prevents bacterial epidemics from taking out big chunks of the population. That isn't far away (loss of use of antibiotics - I can't predict emergence of pathogenic super bacteria). When enough of the soil has blown or water eroded into the oceans and lakes, food production will dininish. When global warming turns much of present cropland into desert, or the gulf dtreamstops and we become too cold for most crops in teh north, then people will starve. When sperm counts get low enough due to pesticide use, when enough people die of cancer due to psesticide use and consumption in food, it won't be me or you who chooses who lives and who dies.

If we could change now, then probably North Amercica and Europe could be sustainable. Probably Australia and New Zealand. Maybe Argentina and Brazil. Maybe quite a few places. Bt then do we allow people from other countries, notably China and India, to join our populations, or do we watch them starve?

These are the sorts of questions that we will face. Let them in or keep them out. And if you keep them out, will they fight to get in? Will we fight to keep them out? Will we have eonough food for oursleves if the gulf stream stops?

You don't have to like it. God is greater than what you want. God / Gaia will decide.

The ironimc thing is that environmentalists are working to try to avoid these problems. in some ways, we should maybe try to speed them up. The sooner we hit the wall, the less time we have to destroy all the other species that will be requred to rejuvenate the web of life after our selfish and childish tiem is over.

humans I believe will survive, buyt our expectations will be drastically changed, and it won't be because we chose to change them.


 
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March 27 2005, 5:56 PM 

Glad to see that Nazism and Fascism are alive and well in the environmental movement.

No wonder the white-supremascist movement and the sierra club found it so easy to fall in love!

 
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April 13 2005, 1:59 AM 

The Sierra Club wants to ban immigration.

Maybe they will send all the people who fail their selection tests to the moon?

 
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December 1 2005, 9:29 PM 

If we killed all the humans, these problems would stop right away!

 
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December 3 2005, 2:03 PM 

Almost...If we killed ALL the democrats, ALL the liberals, ALL the communists AND ALL the environmentalists, THEN the problem will be solved.

 
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December 24 2005, 11:10 PM 

Right on Adolf, you da man!

 
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January 3 2006, 3:50 AM 

Those proposed numbers are tragic beyond belief. I don't know what your smoking but it is seriously damaging your brain. Reducing the worlds population to 200,000,000, that's absurd, just like the 'theory' that reformulated gasoline is better for the enviroment. Here are some realistic thoughts for 2150-2200 sense things of this nature cannot be done overnight:

China: 1,300,000,000->650,000,000
India: 1,000,000,000->500,000,000
Japan: 125,000,000->80,000,000
Korea*: 70,000,000->50,000,000
UK*: 60,000,000->50,000,000
Italy: 60,000,000->40,000,000
Germany: 80,000,000->75,000,000
Netherlands: 16,000,000->10,000,000
Subtotal: 2,711,000,000->1,455,000,000


But on the other hand...

Russia: 145,000,000->350,000,000
Ukraine: 48,000,000->60,000,000
Poland: 38,000,000->50,000,000
Romania*: 26,000,000->35,000,000
Serbia*: 8,000,000->14,000,000
Bulgaria*: 7,000,000->16,000,000
Hungary: 10,000,000->12,000,000
Croatia: 4,000,000->7,000,000
Subtotal: 286,000,000->544,000,000

World's population: 6,500,000,000->5,000,000,000

Korea=North and South united
UK=minus Northern Ireland
Romania=including Moldova
Bulgaria=including most of Macedonia
Serbia=minus Kossovo but including parts of Bosnia

 
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January 5 2006, 1:05 AM 

Sayang!If only I have enough time I would want to read all that you've written here guys and write something sensible in response to your messages.I promise to check on this site again whenever I have the time.

 
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You shall return

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January 9 2006, 12:24 PM 

Yeah...you do that...Even though this forum sucks...

 
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January 31 2006, 12:30 AM 

Mastrubation is the answer.

If all the population of the Earth was encouraged to mastrubate furiously all day, then the population would immediately reverse into decline and all our problems woiuld be solved.

Mind you, all the heavy breathing and sweating might cause the Earths atmosphere to heat up, thus exacerbating the problems of global warming.

Plus all that jizz with no-where to go, may make the sea level rise dramatically!

But seeing as the majority of the Worlds population seem to be wankers, adding a few more probably wouldn't make much difference.

Toss on brothers.

 
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January 31 2006, 6:49 PM 

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA!!!! HOW ABOUT CONVERTING EVERYONE TO GAYISM AND LESBIANISM SO WE CAN ALL TRACT SOME FORM OF AIDS OR HIVS AND DIE SOONER!!! AND SINCE TWO GUYS OR TWO GIRLS CAN'T PHYSICALLY HAVE KIDS, THE POPULATION WOULD DEFINITELY GO DOWN!!!!!

 
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What about the Mexicans

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June 14 2006, 5:00 PM 

The Sierra Club wanted to ban immigration, now the liberals are welcoming everyone in with open arms!

What is the real motive of these people?

 
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June 26 2006, 1:21 AM 

We should welcome all the Mexicans.

I love Tequila and Corona.

So does my nephew, you know, the drunk one that crashed his car at the house.

Plus my buddy John Kerry keeps loads of Mexicans employed in his estates and ketchup industry facilities.

Vive, Le Mexico..hic.

 
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