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In America you can still go to jail for being a Communist

January 10 2005 at 11:31 AM
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Jailing Communist is still a option for the American goverment

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January 10 2005, 12:25 PM 

I could go to jail in America for making this post--no freedom of speech in America under the Patriot Act and the Smith Act,read those acts before you think about becoming a communist.

 
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Not all these laws are still in effect,but,the Patriot Act is

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January 10 2005, 3:14 PM 

Three Justices based their conclusion on the premise that the Communist Party was an anti-democratic, secret organization, subservient to a foreign power, utilizing speech-plus in attempting to achieve its ends and therefore subject to extensive governmental regulation.


Above is an exerp from one of those links reguarding the 1950 legislation which required you to register yourself with the goverment/FBI if you were a communist,it's amazing that three U.S. supreme court justice's believed this s h i t .

 
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LOL

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January 10 2005, 4:02 PM 

lol it's a free country as long as you are not a communist

 
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Smith Act Enforcement------Patriot Act is even more Draconian

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January 11 2005, 12:57 AM 

Facts on Smith Act enforcement;

Smith Act Trials

From 1941 to 1957, hundreds of Americans were prosecuted under the Smith Act. The first trial, in 1941, targetted Trotskyists, the second trial in 1944 prosecuted alleged fascists and, beginning in 1949, leaders and members of the Communist Party USA were targetted.
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1941: Minneapolis Sedition Trial - Socialism on Trial

The first Smith Act Trial occurred in 1941 with the prosecution in Minneapolis of leaders of the Socialist Workers Party in Minneapolis including James P. Cannon, Farrell Dobbs, Grace Carlson, Harry DeBoer, Max Geldman, Albert Goldman (who also acted as the defendants' lawyer during the trial) and twelve other leaders of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party as well as union activists involved with Local 544 of the Teamsters union in Minneapolis where the SWP had had a degree of influence since the Minneapolis General Strike of 1934. The SWP had advocated strikes and the continuation of labor union militancy during World War II under its Proletarian Military Policy and had some influence in Minneapolis due to its involvement with the Teamsters union. The Communist Party, conversely, had become an advocate of a no-strike pledge since the beginning of Nazi invasion of the USSR. An SWP member edited the Northwest Organizer which was the weekly newspaper of the Minneapolis Teamsters and the local remained a militant outpost in what was becoming an increasingly conservative national union under IBT leader Daniel J. Tobin.

On June 27, 1941, the SWP's offices in Minneapolis and St. Paul were raided by the FBI which seized large quantities of socialist literature. Several weeks later, twenty-eight people, either members of the SWP or Local 544 (or both) were indicted by a federal grand jury with violation of the 1861 Sedition Act, which had never before been used, and the 1940 Smith Act. The defendants were accused of plotting to overthrow the United States government. The trial began in Federal District Court in Minneapolis on October 27, 1941 with evidence consisting mostly of public statements made by the SWP and its leaders as well as the Communist Manifesto and writings by Lenin and Trotsky. The evidence regarding insubordination of the armed forces consisted of oral testimony by two government witnesses to the effect that one or two defendants had told them that soldiers should be induced to “kick” about food and living conditions.

Five of the defendants were acquitted on both counts by direction of the judge due to lack of evidence at the conclusion of the prosecution's case. After 56 hours of deliberation, the jury found all of the twenty-three remaining defendants not guilty of count one of the indictment in which the state charged the accused with violating the 1861statute by conspiring to overthrow the government by force. The government had attempted to use the Statute, which had originally been aimed against Southern secessionists, as a means of criminalising the avowal of any revolutionary doctrines. The jury found eighteeen of the defendants guilty of count two of the indictment, which charged violation of the Smith Act specifically distributing written material designed to cause insubordination in the armed forces and charged that they had acted to "advocate, abet, advise and teach the duty, necessity, desirability and propriety of overthrowing the government by force and violence.” The jury recommended leniancy.

On December 8, 1941 sentences were handed down with twelve defendants receving 16-month terms and the remaining eleven being given 12 month terms. After failed appeals and the refusal of the United States Supreme Court to review the case, the convicted defendants began to serve their sentences on December 31, 1943. The last prisoners were released in February 1945.

The Communist Party supported the trial and conviction of Trotskyists under the Smith Act, however, its leaders were to face similar treatment under the Act following the war.

* See: Socialism on Trial: The courtroom testimony of James P. Cannon (http://www.marxists.org/archive/cannon/works/1941/socialism/) and The Minneapolis 'Sedition" Trial (http://www.marxists.org/archive/morrow-felix/1942/mplstrial.htm)

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1944: Great Sedition Trial

The so-called Great Sedition Trial was a 1944 trial, in Washington, DC, of a group of some 30 individuals for sedition, in the form of violations of the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (known as the Smith Act). The defendants were alleged to be part of an international Nazi conspiracy. It is arguable that the trial was political in nature; it was advocated by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and is considered by some critics as tantamount to a show trial. The trial arose out the the strongly isolationist and/or allegedly pro-fascist stance of the heterogeneous group of defendants at the height of US involvement in World War II.

The trial began April 17, 1944, after a number of attempts by Federal authorities to frame charges robust enough to survive Grand Jury hearings, but was characterised by an inability on the part of prosecuters to prove specific intent to overthrow the government. Rather, it appears to have consisted of months of the prosecuter, O. John Rogge, reading the writings of the defendants to an increasingly weary jury. A mistrial was declared on November 29, 1944, some time after the death of the trial judge, ex-congressman Edward C. Eicher.

In part because of the abject failure of the trial, which ended "in tragedy and farce" [1] (http://library.csun.edu/spcoll/exhibitions/Backyard/right12.htm), it is notable as one of a number in the US in which the dictates of freedom - especially of freedom of speech - have been set against concepts of national security. The most obvious near comparison, from the immediate post-war era, was that of McCarthyism and the congressional hearings arising out of Joseph McCarthy's intense anticommunist allegations.

Though Communists and socialists were also prosecuted under the Smith Act, including a number of Jews, the 1944 trial of suspected Nazis and fascists is used by some far-right groups, historical revisionists and anti-Semites as an example of alleged Jewish / Zionist control of or influence on American life and policy.

Among the defendants in the 1944 trial were: George Sylvester Viereck, Lawrence Dennis, Elizabeth Dilling, Gerald Winrod and William Griffin.

* See The Great Sedition Trial of 1944: A Personal Memoir (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p-23_Baxter.html) by David Baxter, last surviving member of the defendants

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Communist Party trials

Beginning in 1949 against over 140 leaders of the Communist Party USA including party leader Eugene Dennis. These trials occurred during the Cold War's anti-communist McCarthyist period in the United States. Prosecutions continued until a series of United States Supreme Court decisions in 1957 threw out numerous convictions under the Smith Act as unconstitutional.

Eleven leaders of the Communist Party were charged under the Smith Act in 1949. The accusation was that "they conspired . . . to organize as the Communist Party and willfully to advocate and teach the principles of Marxism-Leninism," which was alleged to mean "overthrowing and destroying the government of the United States by force and violence" at some unspecified future time. They were also accused of conspiring to "publish and circulate . . . books, articles, magazines, and newspapers advocating the principles of Marxism-Leninism." The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels, Lenin's State and Revolution, and Stalin's Foundation of Leninism were introduced as evidence. Those charged in the intial indictment included Dennis, Gil Green, Henry Winston, John Gates who was the editor of the Daily Worker and Gus Hall who was then leader of the party in Ohio.

The trial at New York City's Foley Square courthouse took nine months to conduct. Among the eleven charged were Gil Green, a long-time Party leader; Eugene Dennis and Henry Winston, leaders of the national organization; John Gates, editor of the Daily Worker; and Gus Hall, leader of the Party in Ohio.

Ten defendants were given sentences of five years and fined $10,000, an eleventh defendant, Robert G. Thompson, was sentenced to three years. In prison, Thompson was attacked by a gang of fascists who crushed his skull leaving him blinded.

All of the defense attorneys were cited for contempt and given to prison sentences including future Congressman Geroge C. Crockett.

The convicted Communists appealed the verdicts but the Supreme Court upheld their convictions in 1951 by a vote of six to two with Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas diseenting. Black wrote that the government's indictment was "a virulent form of prior censorship of speech and press" and a violation of the First Amendment.

In 1951, twenty-three other leaders of the party were indicted including Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a founding member of the American Civil Liberties Union. By 1957 over 140 leaders and members of the Communist Party had been charged. The indictments ended in 1957 as the result of a series of Supreme Court decisions. Yates v. United States ruled unconstitutional the conviction of numerous party leaders in a ruling that distinguished between advocacy of an idea for incitement and the teaching of an idea as a concept. The Court's ruling by a margin of six to one in Watkins v. United States that defendants could use the First Amendment as a defense against "abuses of the legislative process."

While prosecutions under the Smith Act ceased, the statute remains on the books.

* See also About the Smith Act Trials (http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/jerome/smithact.htm)

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See also

* Alien and Sedition Acts
* McCarthyism
* Palmer Raids
* Red Scare

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External links

* Maintenance of National Security and the First Amendment (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/13.html) detailed discussion of the Smith Act's legal history
* Alien Registraton Act (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAalien.htm) Spartacus article
* Text of the Smith Act (http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/smithactof1940.html)
* Dennis v United States (1951) (http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/100/print)) Summary of the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the Smith Act
* Dennis v. United States (http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Dennis/) Documents from the Supreme Court hearing.
* Yates v. United States (1957) (http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/454/print) Summary of the Supreme Court's 1957 decision on the Smith Act
* Yates v United States (http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Yates/) Documents



Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act"

Categories: United States legal history | U.S. history of anti-Communism | United States official documents

 
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Many of these older laws have changed but political intimidation still exhists

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January 11 2005, 1:12 AM 

Personally,I don't care what laws are still on the books,I will be a communist/socialist no matter what kind of political intimidation I have to live with.Freedom of political thought is a concept many americans don't really believe in,playing the exhisting capitalist game is more important to most americans with little thought to what an antiquaited unfair system of capitalisim they live under.

 
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