April 20 2005 at 1:02 AM Average Score 4.2 (5 people)
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God is fake?
-Absolutely. There is no God, no heaven or hell. It’s all just as crazy as it sounds. No kiddin’.
But those wackos who read the Bible aloud on street corners, can they be wrong?
-Believe it or not they are! Those people need “God” to get through the day. He gives them reason to live. Without Him they have no purpose. It’s really kinda sad.
Hey, I once accidentally invited God into my heart. Am I f***ed?
-Oh, you’re fine. He ain’t there. Just get it out of your head that there’s a more important life after this one. Enjoy this life and don’t let it slip by without having done something you can be proud of. And learn from this! You’ll find that the answers are usually pretty obvious. Just use common sense. It beats faith any day.
Hey, what about Satan? He’s real, right?
-No! He doesn’t exist either. There doesn’t have to be a “Satan” for people to do bad things. Take full responsibility for your actions you deadbeat! You people take the cake! Christ!
Then what’s the point? I mean, I might as well just go kill myself then right?
-Yes. I mean, NO! There are still things worth living for, like people for instance! Friends, family, loved ones, YOURSELF! All that **** matters more than “God” and don’t let anybody tell you different! It devalues you and makes it seem like there’s something more important than the human race, and there ain’t, you stupid self -hating ingrates!
Friend...
-If you are in need of more answers or feel alone and want someone there who will always care for you and love you ... then join the f***in’ club. You’re a grown adult for God’s sake! Grow up and deal with it like the rest of us do. Tomorrow’s another day! Goin’ through **** is how you learn stuff. Christ! I thought this was common knowledge! What the f***?
C’mon, are you serious?
-Yeah, He’s in heaven, loves each and everyone of us and we’re all gonna live forever and EVER! Oh, and I bet we all even have guardian angels to fend off evil demons... and the vampires too! Puh-leeeze!
Wait! The idea of “no God” scares me. It kinda makes me feel lonely and sad. What about that?
-Hmm, that’s a tough one. Oh, I know! Boo-f***ing-hoo? An imaginary friend in the sky helps you feel less lonely? Did you ever think maybe that kind of sh*t plays games with your head? I mean, do what ya gotta do, but I suggest instead going to friends, family... or a therapist for God’s sake!
Golly, I had no idea there were legitimate answers for things. Why does the Bible lie to me?
-Have you seen the cavemen who wrote the Bible? They actually believed that sh*t! It was 2000 years ago and they were 2000 years stupider than we are now! Illogical superstitious lunatics!
Friend... Is God REAL?! But what about rainbows? Aren’t those a promise from God that He’ll never flood the earth again, like He did once in olden times... with Noah?
- Stop it. I assure you, there’s nothing more fake than God. The only reason you’re hooked on the idea of “God” is because you’re gullible and scared. The answers to life are pretty obvious. If you think things through you’ll see there’s a lot more to be gained using common sense, not faith. Everybody knows that. I realize rainbows seem like proof, but did you know that scientists can actually explain rainbows beyond “miracles from God?” Not only that, but science explains a great many things. It’s a little more complicated, but there’s a lot more to be learned about life from a scientific explanation than there is from the Bible’s... ya lazy bum.
I think you invited a schizoid God into your heart and he corrupted your mind and that is why your post is so wierd.
So you're an atheist. Who cares?
You can't prove that something that ain't there ain't there any more than anybody else can.
Prove there is no intelligent life in the Andromeda galaxy.
I send status reports on this insane planet to my masters in Andromeda every week and get acknowledgements. Prove I'm lying. It is not my fault that you mere humans haven't discovered hyperspace yet.
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I've been much to influenzed by Cattollicaism,so I be hedgin' my bet.But look at the Jews.They've existed from the time of Mesopotamia,Sumeria,Phoenicia,Egypt,Assyria,Babylonia,Persia,Greece,and allmighty Rome.All culturally,tecnologically,and militarily superior to the Jews.Where are those civilizations now?Guess who's still around,and in the middle of most of the world's bull****?That's what makes me hedge my bet.I AM THAT AM NOT? I'M NOT SO SURE.
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If God is not real, then where do we go when we die? Do we just disapear and not be able to think or breathe or have any senses? PUH-LEEZ!!!
And where did the Earth come from? And if you say other stars, where did those other stars come from? And if you say a nebula, where di dthe nebula come from? And if you say the nursery of stars, where did THAT come from?!!HMM?!
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That's the point exactly. A lot of religious people say, 'someone must have created the Earth, so god exists, case closed.' Without realising that this argument can be debunked quite easily by saying that by this logic someone must have created god. An answer I got to this a few years back from a religion teacher is that god always existed. But then you could just say that the materials that created the universe always existed.
However the universe came to exist, there is no need for there to have been a god.
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"That's the point exactly. A lot of religious people say, 'someone MUST HAVE CREATED the Earth, so god exists, case closed.' Without realising that this argument can be debunked quite easily by saying that by this logic someone MUST HAVE CREATED god. An answer I got to this a FEW YEARS BACK from a religion teacher is that god ALWAYS EXISTED. But THEN you could just say that the materials that created the universe ALWAYS existed.
However the universe CAME TO EXIST, there is no need for there to HAVE BEEN a god."
All of the CAPITALIZED terms relate to TIME. Einsteinian physics says time is not constant, it can slow down. How slow? Can we hypothesize a "state" in which there is NO TIME? NO BEFORE, NO AFTER. Couls a god exist outside of time? If all was VOID, no matter, no energy, NO TIME. Create the universe and time starts. If communication could occur in this NO TIME STATE it could explain prophecy.
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N1 GIVES A F**K!!!!!! GO GET URSELF A JOB! MAKE FRIENDS! DO THINGS U KNOW U'LL REGRET [WHATEVER] jst dnt keepon goin on about something u dont evn know about. If he doesn't even matter go jack off over some fit girl or somat stop goin on about him i is bored of people going on about the big guy upstairs.
TOLERANCE
TALK ABOUT REAL-LIFE SUBJECTS LIKE EUTHANASIA OR ABORTION OR THE MORALS OF PORNOGRAPHY AND BACK UR STATEMENTS UP WITH FACTS- N1 NEEDS QUESTIONS, N1 NEEDS ANSWERS, JST GIVE US THE TRUTH!!!!!!
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I believe in God, but you can definately not say for sure god exists. At this point there is not just one religion on this planet, but at the core, they all have the same "god". You can't explain God as a conspiracy, you can probably just say that someone thought of it at a time before we were really even human. In any case, he exists in the hearts of people, and he inspires people to do things that they would normally never do. As far as I'm concerned, God does exist, If only in our minds.
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Don't Diss the richest organization on Earth...
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If there is no God why are you trying to argue your point? I would expect you to not care and laugh behind the preachers back as you watch pornos and smoke weed. You sound like a very depressing person, and as to the scientific theory on how the earth came to exist, well all I have to say is that really, science is just another religion. You should wake up to yourself, smoke a joint and practice what you preach.
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lol why are we discussing the reality of God in a communist forum, when communism is an atheist ideology anyway. Although it dose make an interesting argument.
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Communism is a belief in a specific type of direct democracy, it does not make an claims about whether god does or does not exist. Although I'm an athiest, I'm sick of people saying that Communism is an athiest belief, there are plenty of people who believe in god and communism.
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How can anyone be so ignorant to say that it's impossible that we were created by a higher power? Why do you question the existance of God so much? It's because deep inside you know he exists but you don't want to believe. You are too proud to admit that you can't live or exist without the help of someone or something else. Man likes to think that they created everything around them and that they themselves evolved because they were intelligent enough to realize their needs for survival. Are you too proud to admit that you were born from your mother and father? Do you feel superior to admit that you believe you evolved from a monkey or a primordial ooze? I guess if that's the popular opinion we better all jump off the bridge.
Evolutionist say: We evolved because of survival of the fittest.
But if we mutate (on a cellular level) why do our cells mutate to create diseases and imparities.
Evolutionists say: Humans and chimpanzees evolved from the same speices of monkey.
But they also say that chimpanzees evolved thousands of years after humans Chimpanzees are higher evolved than Humans. Doesn't make sense.
(For Fellow Commies) God doesn't have to be an institution. Especially with Christianity the church can be two people rejoicing in God on a park bench. True Communism doesn't say anything against God or religion. In fact God believes in human equallity with out class (as in communism). And God's Laws are moral and humane laws (as in true communism). True communism doesn't repress the people because of their religious beliefs.
Maybe some ignorant people did evolve from Monkeys. Some people need to read up on Evolution, Some need to read up on communism (true communism).
I will be happy to answer any question or discuss any subject.
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First reason why I don't believe there is God, the church itself. The establishment of the church is one of the most evil things in history, it is an unjust, backward and socially inept sociological institution, it is 2005 and women are still treated as trash in the church, the church itself is a hypocritical biased piece of **** and needs to be reformed. The church itself has been run by power hungry men, it was setup by power hungry by the Emperor constantine who actually chose what he wanted in the bible! Why does the church have to have power why can't it be peaceful? Second reason I think you are right about people being in denial about God but its not the evolutionist, its not people who refuse God its people who belive in him! They're the people who need to wake up from there 2000 year old hocus pocus, based on unfounded reason and for once think co-herently about it. By the way I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking Jesus I belive he was real and was a great thinker who created a brillant philosophy but i will never accept him as the son of God.
One day minds will be reset.
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Have you considered the possibility that God has a lower opinion of religion than you do?
If God gave man free will then men have the option of being stupid. Is God supposed to jump up every 5 minutes and say, "No, you can't be that stupid."? The system runs on its own. It just may be more complicated than you have figured so far.
Before u go ahead and label everything a superstition... please wait and think... if I say a pile of atoms can think, love, hate, feel its own existence and that of the rest of the universe, enjoy a beautiful sunset and dream of a better tommorrow... as is no way it could happen according to th e "science" we know wouldn't you say that I am superstitous ???
But... arent you a pile of atoms?... so is your existance a superstition...? maybe some people would rather believe they themselves are "superstitions" for the rest of us...
... in a way, isn't the very fact that you are conscious of your own existance is a greater mystery (superstion?)than any other....
let's not be narrow minded... please take your time to read this....
If someone follows marx like a baboon and calls others narrow minded.. isnt he being wierd???... lets break away from the notions other people have beaten into our head...
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hmmm... who sees the "pile of sand" ... according to quantum mechanics the entire universe is just a probablistic wave.. a single whole.. where do you end? you skin? isnt your skin is interacting with the environment so on ad infinitum... so arent you controlling the universe if you have free will? ... just arguments to try and convince you you are more than just your material body...
who is measuring the complexity? who is the judge... how do you define complexity... anything is as complex as you are... "sand" coz physics tells us the universe is a whole... a single system.... there is no seperating the universe into "parts"... just artificial abstractions...
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what am saying neednt be true... i am more aware of that than you are... but a bit of thought could convince us that the very fact that we can feel our own existance .. a conscious mind.... tells
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yet another argument... why couldnt the universe be a design... would we some day achieve the level of technology that would enable us to run the similutaion of a universe in an extremely powerful quantum computer... wouldnt life evolve in that universe... wouldnt they develop similar technologies? if we ever will ... isnt it probable that we are living in a simulation?....( there is no reason to assume that we a re the first ones to do that) just an argument... just an argument...
There are more things in heaven and earth, friends,
than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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If god exists, i think (and seriously hope) that it is not the god described in the bible. Or it is, just people 2000 years ago misinterpreted some of the eventsm, because some of that stuff doesn't sound like an all loving god would do. Whos to say jesus never really existed. Whos to say Jesus isn't an unascended ancient (thats a t.v. show refrence). Nobody can prove or disprove that there is or isn't a god. Communism shouldn't touch either end of the subject in paticular, because then it wouldn't be communism.
On free will: People have free will, but did you ever think about how our brains work? They're like super computers, with our consciousness as a program being run. Which means our programming will make a decision based on past experiences, personality, knowledge, and dozens of other factors. So we have free will, but we will always make the same choices, if we are put in the exact same situations, in the exact same mental state.
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The Old Testament is in Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testasment is in Greek.
It is the word SHEOL in the Old Testament which is translated as HELL.
However, it doesn't mean HELL. It means "dwelling place of spirits" or "abode of the dead." The Catholic Church has been teaching something which does not correspond to the Bible for 1700 years. The Protestants have been wandering in the desert of error for a somewhat shorter time.
So accusing people of error when they have made an error you don't know about is just compounding error. European culture is a comedy of errors.
i know this has been going on for a while now but.. I want to point out that someone (im not going to qoute) related god to communism, becuase in a communism you can believe in god, becuase there is the point that in past tries of communism there was NO religion, this was actually becuase the communism was TOTALATARIANISM in which they said, oh, you cant have any relgion, sorry. In a real communism no-one gives a damn becuase its an economical system, not a social system. which leads to my point that this really doesnt matter towards communism whatsoever.
For the record i am a buddhist that believes that all men can get where they are going by whatever path including the way of a god/deity/higher being
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So you don't believe in God? That's fine, understandable in fact. But just saying "God doesn't exist" doesn't help your case in the slightest. Now, we can't prove that evolution occured in the past (few would dare to claim we can, none of which include scientists), so why do we believe in evolution? Because the evidence tends to that scenario. Evolution makes more sense with the fossil record so we say "I know it isn't proven but I'm placing my bet on the most probable scenario." So can we prove God? Nope. Can we prove God doesn't exist? Nope.
Okay, the classic question: If God exists who created God?
An incredibly interesting point, especially considering the fact that atheism runs into the same problem.
Here is the theistic response, as suggested by Judeo-Christian tradition. God is eternal, therefore nothing created God because he always was. This is so hard to understand because we live in the physical, but try to understand that we believe that God exists beyond the physical, realms where time and space can be warped to suit the purpose of him who has the power to control it.
So how does this affect atheism?
Well, who sparked the big bang? Chemicals? No such thing, atoms hadn't formed yet. No...I'll give this one to you, I'm feeling generous. So we'll say that the Big Bang is the inevitable result of the events leading up to its occurence. Well, what caused the thing that caused the big bang? What created the universe. Scientists have suggested a primordial field in which many universes are created. Well...what created this primordial field? Impossible to answer. So this line of reasoning is not a wise one for an atheist.
Is there such a thing as evidence for God?
Sure, but not in your regular courtroom style evidence. The evidence is theoretical, in a sense. By this I mean it can be explained in multiple ways. We have highly complexed life on earth, you have at least two possible answers: 1) It was created by a higher intelligence. 2) It evolved from less sophisticated life forms. This same idea works with the universes origin. Now, the earth (in its current form) is the very unlikely result of many key factors that can't be explained by natural selection (a good source on what I'm speaking of: www.reasons.org). So many would say that the wiser explanation is the one that isn't so improbable, this being God.
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"I know it isn't proven but I'm placing my bet on the most probable scenario." So can we prove God? Nope. Can we prove God doesn't exist? Nope.
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Since you say "probable scenario" wouldn't it be better to say SUSPECT instead of BELIEVE?
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If I understand your argument correctly you are saying that something always had to exist, that there can never have been a time when there was, 'nothing.' Since the universe wasn't always there, you say that a god must have created it.
However there is a theory that the big bang was created by a, 'big crunch,' a previous universe collapsing on itself. Perhaps this universe was created by a big crunch, and the one before that by yet another big crunch, and so forth, so in that way there can always have been, 'something,' without any need for an existence of a god.
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"I believe in God, but you can definately not say for sure god exists. At this point there is not just one religion on this planet, but at the core, they all have the same "god"."
The belief in a being that exists only in the mind, is a belief in the existance of an imaginary being. You can create beliefs of many different imaginary beings, such as gods, godesses, angels, devils, ghosts, and spirits. There are some religion's such as buddhism which reject the belief in a supreme being, and instead worship spirits of dead people, such as dead ancestors and buddha. In Africa there is a religion called animism that believes in spirits in all animated objects, but rejects the belief in an individual supreme spirit. The belief in imaginary beings is a natural defense mechanism of the schizophrenic mind, to cope with the harsh realities of living and the environment we have to live in, it gives them hope for imaginary justice and imaginary help in a world of harsh physical reality: the pain of hunger (praying for food instead of growing it or hunting for it), the pain of illness (praying for a cure instead of searching for it) , the pain of torture (praying for imaginary intervention instead of planning ahead of time of coping with it), the pain of loneliness (praying for an imaginary friend to talk to instead of seeking companionship with other humans), etc.
AmericaFckya:
"You can't explain God as a conspiracy, you can probably just say that someone thought of it at a time before we were really even human."
The attributes given to "God" are humanistic attributes, thus "God" is not something that is impossible for humans to invent in their imagination.
AmericaFckya:
"In any case, he exists in the hearts of people, and he inspires people to do things that they would normally never do."
This is schizophrenia/psychosis. You are right that the belief in "God" does inspire some people to do what they would normally never do, such as:
- people flying planes into buildings to kill people and killing themselves at the same time
- people killing their own children because "god told them their children were evil"
- people burning other people to death for their "heresy" or "wickedry"
AmericaFckya:
"As far as I'm concerned, God does exist, If only in our minds."
This is what is dangerous, that this belief exists only in the mind and has no material basis, and thus can be used to justify the most insane and monstrous things done by humans to their fellow humans in the name of their God or because their God told them to. Then do we blame the God or the person for murdering innocent people because their god told them to?
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the historical materialism justifies atheism. And all MArx's theorie is based on materialisme, so god doesn't exists for communists. Religion is just a way of exploitation using a metaphysic vision. About earth's creation, i think some comrades there have seen too much CNN and heard too much at Bush. Humans were just monkeys before. Maybe in fact god wanted to create monkeys and told them: "You'll say to your sons, and your son will say to their own that god has created them". And in fact, we just were fishes at the beginning, and befor fish, i don't remember. Anything without metaphysic interest.
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Christianity follows the principles of Marxism or the other way around. Jesus preached that all people were equal and should be helped and the sick healed and etc. Therefore Jesus was a socialist Marxist. However, I do not believe in God or Jesus, just stating this fact to show the conservative hypocrits of this site.
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I'm not saying that i am the most knowledgable person
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April 3 2006, 7:14 PM
The big bang is a theory that is derived from astronomical study and reasoning. Noticing correlations between variables and the rational study into the world around us is science.
God, where on earth does that come from? i mean i'm not saying I know everything but not only is god a ridiculous conjured up to explain the not yet explained, but also science has proven all these holy teachings to be lies.
Now I'm not saying there isn't a God, how am I meant to prove that. However what I am saying is that you've all been praying at the wrong temple if there is one.
There is a philosopher who developed the teapot theory, that a teapot is in orbit around pluto, it cannot be proved nor disproved.But that doesn't mean the theory that there is a teapot is on level terms with the theory that there isn't.
My point is until you !!!!!know!!!!! of the existence of a god then why waste your time praying to one that you can't be sure is the same one that actually exists (if one exists that is), you could also be enraging it rather than appeasing it.
Also one cannot use the debate that you cannot disprove the existence of god because there is far less reason to believe in god
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God is an easy explination for people who cannot think for themselves or those who have been brainwshed by parents. It is OK if someone beleives in god, just like it is ok for people to be stupid.
THE LIGHT OF GOD GRANTS ONLY BLINDNESS TO THOSE WHO LOOK INTO IT.
The only people who dont beleive in evolution are those who havnt evolved.
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Fealings- including those of pleasure and pain- are caused by neuro transmiters. When you die- your brain dies, therefor you will not have any more neuro transmitters or any neuro recievers to recieve neurotransmitters. Therefor, you could not have the pleasure of heaven, or the pain of hell. You would not be able to see, move, think, or do anything else in heaven/hell because yur brain is dead and your body is rotting. AKA, YOU ARE DEAD!! Heaven/hell is an illogical concept for people who cannot imagine not being alive or having their senses not working in their fullest.
When you die, you are dead. That is why people dont want to die. The church made suicide a sin because they knew that if people heard of a wonderful afterlife they would kill themselves ASAP. There is no point in having a religion wher people kill themselves to get to a better place.
Communism is based on atheism. If you are not atheist, you are stupid and will be totaly unproductive and destructive to the greater community. All religionists should be shot.
ATHEISM BY FORCE
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