"The fifteen protectorates on the UN list in one of my above posts have no want for independence from their ‘parent’ nation as they rely on them for there economies. Is what you refer to as ‘national liberation’ movements, movements like those in Palestine, Northern Ireland, or Chechnya searching for the creation of their own states? I would still argue that, although it is beneficial, it is not a necessary predicate to revolution, especially not international revolution, as globalization and internationalism pushes conglomerates to the position of chief oppressor rather than other nations."
By conglomerate, do you mean like the British East India company? The Indian people did boycott products of the British East India company, but they did not become class-conscious about it. The independence of India was a National independence as well as a transition to a more progressive society, such as the feudal land-lords (in the socio-economic sector) and monarchs (in the political sector) of the different states in India were abolished and replaced with bourgeoisie (in the socio-economic sector) and democratically elected leaders (in the political sector). However India remains a Union of occupied nations, occupied by the native Hindi-speaking states of India. There are many National liberation movements in India, there are also many different communist parties, however they all can not unite, due to the perceptions of persecution by othere nationalities within India. The break-up of the Soviet Union into different Nationalist republics was an inevitable outcome, because those Nation's people were occupied before the bolshevik revolution, and after the revolution they were not allowed autonomy or any taste of freedom from Moscow, instead they were heavily exploited and Soviet politics were dominated by mostly ethnic Russians.
What school of communism do you class yourself as?
I beleive in some but not all of the logic and or practices of:
- Mao: The countryside as the base of Communism, and the cities being the base of Capitalism. And thus seizing the cities, through surrounding them through use of the peasants of the countryside.
- Pol Pot: Expulsion of foreign peoples, abolition of mechanized labor and instead embracing the more self-sufficient labor which is manual labor, such as building of lakes with simple tools rather than expensive and pollutant tractors, and farming without the use of chemicals. Evacuating the town and city populace and distributing them over the countryside to bring them closer to the only essential part of the economy, which is Agriculture, so that all the people are fed adequately and no one is without a job.
- Mossaddegh: Nationalizing the foreign owned businesses, such as the Oil Industry.
- Robert Mugabe: Seizing the lands of the foreigners and giving it to the indigenous people.
- Ho Chi Minh: Liberating and Uniting all the historical lands of the Indigenous Nation.
I think there are 5 stages to a completely egalitarian society that relies on only the labor of its own people, and all the people labor equally:
1. National Liberation - the Nation rids itself of foreign colonization or it gives up its foreign colonies, or in short the Nation rids itself of foreign-influence, internal and external. This stage of society is run by feudal lords and or former feudal lords.
2. Democratic Struggle - the majority of the people rule the government and through the majority rule, they gradually overthrow feudalism and abolish all social aspects of feudalism. This stage of society is run by the bourgeoisie.
3. Socialist Stage - the people overthrow the bourgeoisie democratically and achieve socialism, and experience socialism through materialist understanding of reality that it is the social and economic conditions of man which are the sole factors for the existance of man. And all the people are educated and to run the economy and society without the bourgeoisie and eventually without any ruling-class guiding the socialist transition, which is when the transition will be complete. This stage of society is run by the mental-laborers.
4. Communism - the people overthrow the mental-laborers and the society is divided into urban and rural proletariat. And the society is at the most closest to being fully egalitarian than ever, however the division of urban labor and rural labor divides the society into the final class-antagonism: the the minority urbanite proletariat and the majority whom are rustic proletariat. The lifestyle of the urban minority heavily rests upon reliance on foreign countries, and a lot of the gross domestic product and labor goes toward trade with the foreign countries to support the essential industrial lifestyle of the urbanites.
5. Autarky - The majority of whom are agrarian rustics overthrow the urbanite minority, and finally end all reliance on foreign raw materials to support industry, and abolish industry and the towns and cities and bring the urban and suburban populace to the countryside to make Autarky and total and complete equality. Through industry the urbanites polluted the air, land, and water, which are essential for the production of healthy food in the countryside. Also the urban/suburban industry is unneccessary, because the essential sector of economy is in the countryside, through which the food, clothing, and shelter of the people are produced. When all of the nations embrace autarky through the gradual over-throw of each class in each stage of society, then all class-antagonisms and national-antagonisms will cease to exist, and thus society would reach the most egalitarian, self-sufficient, un-exploitive, and environmentally friendly society.
By the way don't get me wrong, I support the build up of urbanization and industrialization as a natural part of a society competing with other socieities, but I think the world will go through the 5 stages I described above, more or less at the same time and thus be complimentary on an exemplary basis to one another in going through each of those stages.
This message has been edited by kurjak on Jul 3, 2006 3:44 PM
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So you are neither Marxist nor communist, but a Marx influenced thinker. Your theory relies too heavily on state control and forced action to be considered communist. Although your five stages seem inspired by historical materialism and dialectics, you have no economic evidence and you make too many assumptions to be considered a positivistic Marxist.
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