There are a lot of people on this forums that support communism, but how many of you would join a communism, im talking about an equally run state where there is no government becuase the people have the capability to distibute the wealth equally, how many of you would join such a state? Would there be enough people that could get along in harmony for an indefinite period of time, with no corruption whatsoever?

So i thought about this for a while, and came up with 2 solutions:
1. The communists of america(and othr parts of the world) pool their savings and buy a plot of land in America, a place where it is possible to have a greater than subsistance life, where the people could farm the land, build improvements, and sell the surplus for taxes to the government.
2.The same basic premise,but instead of america, the communists buy land from nations and abdicate their own nation, this would cost more in the short run, but in the long run, the absence of taxes would save capital.

These societies of communism would be a perfect example of a utopian communist society, if these communities worked, the people of the world would be more inclined to change their economic model to one of communism, and in a country like america, where 5% of the population control 95% of the wealth, this is desperately needed.
Who would want to do this, who would want to change the world?

*There are a lot of people on this forums that support communism, but how many of you would join a communism, im talking about an equally run state where there is no government becuase the people have the capability to distibute the wealth equally, how many of you would join such a state? Would there be enough people that could get along in harmony for an indefinite period of time, with no corruption whatsoever?*

What the hell is an "equally run state"? Define "the people" and tell us how you expect "the people" to "distribute the wealth equally". And please, could you explain the morality behind this equal distribution of wealth? See, not everyone contributes equally to the production of that wealth. In fact, nothing happens without the brains of people who have the foresight, the intellect, the know-how and the capacity to create the means to produce that wealth. Wealth is not "everyones" to share. The brains behind the operation are the result of people who made the choice to put in the time and the effort to study a field of knowledge. They are people who have put that extra effort into thought, into planning, into vision, into the execution of ideas. Why should they not be compensated duly, in a manner which befits their indispensable contribution to the creation of that wealth (and also the resultant increases in standard of living for the rest of us)? What the hell do you have against individual human rights, that you believe that the high achievers among us must have the products of our lives extorted from us by force, in some sick altruistic game of "redistribution", which divides humans into parasites and sacrificial animals? And finally - what kind of futuristic mind-drug do you plan to be slipping everyone to ensure that there will never be any "corruption"? Seriously - what do you think your chances are?

*So i thought about this for a while, and came up with 2 solutions:
1. The communists of america(and othr parts of the world) pool their savings and buy a plot of land in America, a place where it is possible to have a greater than subsistance life, where the people could farm the land, build improvements, and sell the surplus for taxes to the government.*

Now then, let's review. Capitalism, or what's left of it after tyrannical states have had their filthy trotters in the economy, has been instrumental in elevating man from his previously held status as wretched savage living a life of primitive subsistence. The Industrial Revolution has more than doubled our average life expectancy, more than quartered our infant mortality rates and provided mankind with lives unprecedented in their comfort, safety and potential. Where this is not the case, the reason is that there is not enough capital per head invested in the population. Americans lead better lives than Indians on the whole, because there is more capital invested per head of population in America. This isn't conjecture, it's fact. Communism, in it's various forms, has been responsible for around 96 million deaths in the 20th Century. It is a form of slavery, a primitive form of tribal collectivism. It doesn't recognize the rights of the individual first and foremost, and thus is a form of oppression.

*2.The same basic premise,but instead of america, the communists buy land from nations and abdicate their own nation, this would cost more in the short run, but in the long run, the absence of taxes would save capital.*

I find it hard to believe that you mean this, seriously. What is wrong with you?

*These societies of communism would be a perfect example of a utopian communist society, if these communities worked, the people of the world would be more inclined to change their economic model to one of communism, and in a country like america, where 5% of the population control 95% of the wealth, this is desperately needed.
Who would want to do this, who would want to change the world?*

There is no way in the world that a stagnant Communist state, in which everyone was enslaved to "the common good", could ever be described as "utopian". For people who do not wish to think or act for themselves, for people whose idea of life is to be part of an ant-hill, I guess it's an excellent idea. But you have to be aware that the vast majority of people resist such an existence, which is why Communist regimes end up slaughtering so many of these "superfluous" dissenters.

In short, you are toying with the seeds of an ideology which killed nearly 100 million people in the 20th Century, which enslaves the individual and makes his life disposable not by himself but by "the greater good" (which doesn't exist), it ignores individual rights and instead pulls some phony, non-existent idea of "group rights" out of the sky.....need I go on.....

...or you will get your turn at being destroyed. That's right! The globalist bankers want to eventually destroy you, too. They created you, and they CAN destroy you!! Read it and weep commies.

Yes! Finally all the annoying communists will go away. Too bad a member of your opposition thought about this idea first though.

Communism is evil and so is Capitalism, but I will except the lesser of the two evils until a Monarchist society emerges (and it will if you are Christian).

I have studied Marx & Engels, I have studied Trotsy and Stalin. I have read of the Spartacists and Maoists. You are much to divided too do anything substantial. You kill millions of people and deny not the statistics, but say that those people were not Communist. To call Communism a theory for butchers would be light. They murdered royal families, politicians, middle class civilians, not to mention about 2 million of their fellow Communists. And I haven't even mentioned the 28 million dead in the Ukraine yet.

And some people are happy the way they are, and don't you know that most Fascists are from the working class? And...I will stop babbling now.

"And I haven't even mentioned the 28 million dead in the Ukraine yet."

HAHAHAHAHAA!!!
That number keeps rising and rising. Ever since that rumor started, there was never any, and I mean any, evidence of that. American reporters went to Ukraine, and searched the whole country for famine victims, and couldn't find any.
The official number is 10 million by the way, again, with no proof.
And was there even 28 million people in the Ukraine at the time?

Now you are denying it! Sheesh, at least the Ultra-right had the sense to say "ok the plan is we are all going to deny it". With communists, some admit it, some deny it, some don't care...make up your minds already!
And this is coming from the Party who doesn't let "Fascists" debate them on Revleft. For revolutionaries you are sure more reactionary than most people.

Good job Rosa! The commies can lie like cheap rugs, but the records of executions, mass graves, and pyramids of skulls don't lie.

One point I think that should be made is that totalitarism and much of the wrongs and abuses are not necessarily unique to communism. Orwell's 1984 after all was largely based on his experiences in 1940s Britain, which was by all accounts still a capitalist state.

And maybe capitalism was once a great driving force, but alot of people have become tired of it. Our economy is currently stagnant because it is simply not benefitting a large enough group of people. This of course is inevitable given Marx's theories of concentration of wealth and technology. Sure it starts out great but over time the benefits become less shared, and eventually people want something new.

I think you dumb facists are just brainwashed by your media (that is how America keeps the population in line). You should do some reading and figure out what communism is before you start firing your fat mouths away.


I think the second option would be better so we could look like we were independant and be recognized by other countries. In this new communist nation there should be no need for wealth. EVERYTHING would be split up equaly making money obsolete. Thats right imperialist freaks no more poor or homeless people! No more hungry people!


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